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1. 01:24 PM - Door Latch Redux (Les Kearney)
2. 02:25 PM - PlaneAround 180 (retro) latch install with pics (Strasnuts)
3. 02:36 PM - Re: Door Latch Redux (Richard Barnes)
4. 03:36 PM - Re: Door Latch Redux (Carl Froehlich)
5. 04:35 PM - Re: Door Latch Redux (johngoodman)
6. 04:46 PM - Re: Door Latch Redux (Albert Gardner)
7. 05:07 PM - Re: Door Latch Redux (Les Kearney)
8. 05:22 PM - Re: Door Latch Redux (DLM)
9. 05:34 PM - Re: Trying to be Politically correct - 4th of July (johngoodman)
10. 06:57 PM - Re: Door Latch Redux (Pascal)
11. 07:15 PM - Re: Door Latch Redux (nukeflyboy)
12. 07:35 PM - Re: Door Latch Redux (McGann, Ron)
13. 08:40 PM - Re: Door Latch Redux (AirMike)
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| Subject: | Door Latch Redux |
Hi
A few weeks back there was a great thread on door latches.
Is there any consensus as to what the best solution is - Sean's latches / 90
or 180 degree etc? Are there other options worth pursuing? I'll assume that
the latches from the iron works at Van's don't make the cut.
Cheers
Les
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| Subject: | PlaneAround 180 (retro) latch install with pics |
This is Michael Schipper's building site. I just wanted everyone who is thinking
of buying or installing a PlaneAround latch to see a great install that is
well documented.
Here it is:
http://www.rvten.com/finish9.asp
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| Subject: | Door Latch Redux |
We were able to install the180 degree latches from Sean. If you haven't
painted the outside of the doors, these work really great. The latch cam
engages early, lining up the door frame for the pins, and the door closes
securely. The cam keeps the center of the door tight against the door
frame. I don't know how the door will ever come off when it is latched this
way. The installation was simple too.
Rick
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 2:19 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Door Latch Redux
Hi
A few weeks back there was a great thread on door latches.
Is there any consensus as to what the best solution is - Sean's latches / 90
or 180 degree etc? Are there other options worth pursuing? I'll assume that
the latches from the iron works at Van's don't make the cut.
Cheers
Les
#40643
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| Subject: | Door Latch Redux |
I could not see putting the clunky Van's latch on the airplane. It is just
plain ugly. I installed the 180 degree Plane Around system and recommend it
with caveats and comments:
1. It works as advertised but at $470 for the retrofit kit it is
overpriced. Perhaps some competition will help drive it down to a more
value orientated price.
2. Be very careful not to strip out the threads in the nylon block. I
did and ended up with a less than satisfactory repair by melting some of the
nylon shaving you get fitting the blocks to fill then re-tap the holes.
3. I built up the bottom of the door to be flush across the door sill
and had already finish painted the interior. Being very careful with a
Dremmel Tool I cut a slot for the nylon catch (photos attached). The
placement of the catch ended up slightly below the sill and does not
interfere with getting in or out of the plane.
4. I already had the Rivet Head machined pins and pin blocks so I did
not purchase the ones from Plane Around.
Carl Froehlich
RV-10 (systems install)
RV-8A (550 hrs)
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 4:19 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Door Latch Redux
Hi
A few weeks back there was a great thread on door latches.
Is there any consensus as to what the best solution is - Sean's latches / 90
or 180 degree etc? Are there other options worth pursuing? I'll assume that
the latches from the iron works at Van's don't make the cut.
Cheers
Les
#40643
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| Subject: | Re: Door Latch Redux |
I'm going with Matt Banks' mod, that Vern Darley used. I haven't seen anything
better yet.
John
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| Subject: | Door Latch Redux |
On the other hand:
I don't believe anyone has lost a door when it was installed properly and
then closed properly. The issue seems to be that either the pins do not
penetrate the door frame sufficently to secure it or the sealing material
makes it more difficult to close the door and the pins were not engaged
before flight. I think that if we verify the doors are closed and latched we
would have no problem with the existing latch system.
Albert Gardner
N9914RV
Yuma, Az
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 1:19 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Door Latch Redux
Hi
A few weeks back there was a great thread on door latches.
Is there any consensus as to what the best solution is - Sean's latches / 90
or 180 degree etc? Are there other options worth pursuing? I'll assume that
the latches from the iron works at Van's don't make the cut.
Cheers
Les
#40643
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| Subject: | Door Latch Redux |
Albert
I agree 100% with your post. The problem is, being mere mortals, we will
make mistakes. The question is how often and what are the consequences. If
we can eliminate the risk, so much the better.
Given there have already been so door departures in flight, it would seem
that a little preventative medicine is in order.
Just my $0.02
Cheers
Les
#40643
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Albert Gardner
Sent: July-07-10 5:45 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Door Latch Redux
On the other hand:
I don't believe anyone has lost a door when it was installed properly and
then closed properly. The issue seems to be that either the pins do not
penetrate the door frame sufficently to secure it or the sealing material
makes it more difficult to close the door and the pins were not engaged
before flight. I think that if we verify the doors are closed and latched we
would have no problem with the existing latch system.
Albert Gardner
N9914RV
Yuma, Az
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 1:19 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Door Latch Redux
Hi
A few weeks back there was a great thread on door latches.
Is there any consensus as to what the best solution is - Sean's latches / 90
or 180 degree etc? Are there other options worth pursuing? I'll assume that
the latches from the iron works at Van's don't make the cut.
Cheers
Les
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| Subject: | Re: Door Latch Redux |
Door Latch ReduxMine is the touchy feely system. Touch each pin once
after the doors are closed and touch each pin again before takeoff. I
did remake the pins extra long and cut to length as the location of the
latch gear can alter the required length.
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From: Albert Gardner
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 4:45 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Door Latch Redux
On the other hand:
I don't believe anyone has lost a door when it was installed properly
and then closed properly. The issue seems to be that either the pins do
not penetrate the door frame sufficently to secure it or the sealing
material makes it more difficult to close the door and the pins were not
engaged before flight. I think that if we verify the doors are closed
and latched we would have no problem with the existing latch system.
Albert Gardner
N9914RV
Yuma, Az
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 1:19 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: Door Latch Redux
Hi
A few weeks back there was a great thread on door latches.
Is there any consensus as to what the best solution is - Sean's
latches / 90 or 180 degree etc? Are there other options worth pursuing?
I'll assume that the latches from the iron works at Van's don't make the
cut.
Cheers
Les
#40643
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| Subject: | Re: Trying to be Politically correct - 4th of July |
AirMike wrote:
> Yes the Kiwis are a great aviation country also...........
>
> My more important point is that we must work together to preserve our freedom
to fly (every day) from the pointy pencil green weenies that will take our freedoms
from us. Just last month the weenies at the Tahoe Regional Planning Agency
tried to impose draconian restrictions on seaplane operations at Lake Tahoe.
Only through the efforts a small group of Northern Calif. and Nevada airmen
was the initiative quashed.
It all depends on whose Ox is getting gored....
John
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| Subject: | Re: Door Latch Redux |
Door Latch ReduxHas anyone had an issue with the doors with the
aftermarket pins and aluminum versus plastic that Vans sells in their
kits? I know of one builder who upgraded his and tells me his doors
close every time now without an issue, which wasn't the case before he
installed them.
From: Albert Gardner
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 4:45 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Door Latch Redux
On the other hand:
I don't believe anyone has lost a door when it was installed properly
and then closed properly. The issue seems to be that either the pins do
not penetrate the door frame sufficently to secure it or the sealing
material makes it more difficult to close the door and the pins were not
engaged before flight. I think that if we verify the doors are closed
and latched we would have no problem with the existing latch system.
Albert Gardner
N9914RV
Yuma, Az
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 1:19 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Door Latch Redux
Hi
A few weeks back there was a great thread on door latches.
Is there any consensus as to what the best solution is - Sean's latches
/ 90 or 180 degree etc? Are there other options worth pursuing? I'll
assume that the latches from the iron works at Van's don't make the cut.
Cheers
Les
#40643
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| Subject: | Re: Door Latch Redux |
You won't find a consensus on this question. The after market latches look and
work good, but I can't see tossing $500 into the fix. The Van's latch, which
I have seen and tried on Bill Steppling's 10, works just fine and is free. The
two hand operation does not bother me and frankly, I don't know many aircraft
doors/canopies that you can operate with one hand.
Doing nothing is not an option for me. Being in the nuclear power business makes
me cautious and conservative when it comes to safety. I also know a little
about human factors engineering and in my opinion the doors in their unmodified
state are an accident waiting to happen.
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Dave Moore
RV-6 flying
RV-10 QB - FWF
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| Subject: | Door Latch Redux |
Pascal et al,
I have retained the standard Door design, and simply replaced the Delrin bl
ocks with aluminium ones I made myself from =BC" stock (ie retain the basic
Al tube pins). I have no issues with door closure or security.
I do follow Albert's checklist and confirm pin penetration twice during pre
flight, and I ALWAYS close the pax side door from the outside.
Cheers
Ron
VH-XRM flying in Oz
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal
Sent: Thursday, 8 July 2010 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Door Latch Redux
Has anyone had an issue with the doors with the aftermarket pins and alumin
um versus plastic that Vans sells in their kits? I know of one builder who
upgraded his and tells me his doors close every time now without an issue,
which wasn't the case before he installed them.
From: Albert Gardner<mailto:ibspud@roadrunner.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 4:45 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Door Latch Redux
On the other hand:
I don't believe anyone has lost a door when it was installed properly and t
hen closed properly. The issue seems to be that either the pins do not pene
trate the door frame sufficently to secure it or the sealing material makes
it more difficult to close the door and the pins were not engaged before f
light. I think that if we verify the doors are closed and latched we would
have no problem with the existing latch system.
Albert Gardner
N9914RV
Yuma, Az
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 1:19 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Door Latch Redux
Hi
A few weeks back there was a great thread on door latches.
Is there any consensus as to what the best solution is - Sean's latches / 9
0 or 180 degree etc? Are there other options worth pursuing? I'll assume th
at the latches from the iron works at Van's don't make the cut.
Cheers
Les
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| Subject: | Re: Door Latch Redux |
I tend to be in Dave "Nukeflyboy's" camp. I am not that sold on the Van's fix,
but I did install it on the Pilot side only. I want to use it for a few months
and then tender an opinion before putting it on the passenger side. The two touch
system is not that great, but it is a solid item after installation. Installation
was about 5 hrs as you want the fix right and exact. The reverse detent
is pretty fail safe at low speed, but how it will operate at 100+ kts is a
real unknown. I presume that Vans tested it....????,,?>?>??>>???
One bonus is that the fit is loose, so when you land on a hot day you can open
the door latch and get a small bit of air in the cabin
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