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1. 05:29 AM - Re: Re: iPhone Apps (MARCUS COOPER)
2. 05:37 AM - Re: Re: iPhone Apps (Mark Garrison)
3. 06:21 AM - Re: Re: iPhone Apps (Richard Bibb)
4. 06:22 AM - Door Seals (Fred Williams, M.D.)
5. 08:41 AM - Resale on RV 10 (John Gonzalez)
6. 08:57 AM - Re: Resale on RV 10 (Seano)
7. 09:04 AM - Re: Resale on RV 10 (Tim Olson)
8. 09:40 AM - Re: Resale on RV 10 (Bob and Karen Brown)
9. 10:19 AM - Re: Resale on RV 10 (Jae Chang)
10. 10:26 AM - Re: Retaining Mcmaster carr door seal in place (Jae Chang)
11. 10:42 AM - Re: Resale on RV 10 (Deems Davis)
12. 10:49 AM - Re: Resale on RV 10 (Tim Olson)
13. 10:50 AM - Re: Resale on RV 10 (Les Kearney)
14. 10:54 AM - Re: Resale on RV 10 (Don McDonald)
15. 10:57 AM - Re: Resale on RV 10 (Seano)
16. 11:05 AM - Re: Re: RV-10 HQ (Dave Saylor)
17. 11:21 AM - Re: Resale on RV 10 (Robin Marks)
18. 11:35 AM - Re: Resale on RV 10 (Tim Olson)
19. 11:54 AM - Re: Resale on RV 10 (Geoff Combs)
20. 11:54 AM - Re: Resale on RV 10 (John Cox)
21. 12:03 PM - Re: Resale on RV 10 (Pascal)
22. 12:18 PM - Re: Resale on RV 10 (Tony Woods)
23. 12:38 PM - Re: Resale on RV 10 (Pascal)
24. 02:32 PM - James cowl inlet (Eric_Kallio)
25. 03:19 PM - Lifting the fusalage without wings (Dave Leikam)
26. 03:32 PM - Re: James cowl inlet (Lenny Iszak)
27. 04:24 PM - Van' RV-10 Wiring kit for sale (mds4878)
28. 04:40 PM - Re: James cowl inlet (Eric_Kallio)
29. 05:15 PM - Re: Lifting the fusalage without wings (Bill Mauledriver Watson)
30. 05:34 PM - Fw: Resale on RV 10 (Robert Brunkenhoefer)
31. 05:39 PM - Re: Door Seals (Walt Fuller)
32. 05:39 PM - Re: Lifting the fusalage without wings (Eric_Kallio)
33. 05:48 PM - Re: Re: Lifting the fusalage without wings (Seano)
34. 06:05 PM - Re: James cowl inlet (Lenny Iszak)
35. 06:12 PM - Re: Re: Door Seals (Les Kearney)
36. 06:36 PM - Re: Retaining Mcmaster carr door seal in place (Roxanne and Mike Lefever)
37. 07:58 PM - Re: Resale on RV 10 (jchang10)
38. 08:27 PM - Re: Retaining Mcmaster carr door seal in place (Les Kearney)
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Thanks for the iPhone replies,- I will start with Foreflight when the pho
ne shows up.- One other question, anyone have any luck receiving weather
updates while airborne?- I suspect not but it sure would be nice to repla
ce my xm wx subscription.
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Thanks again,
Marcus
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--- On Tue, 7/20/10, fixitauto@aol.com <fixitauto@aol.com> wrote:
From: fixitauto@aol.com <fixitauto@aol.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: iPhone Apps
CAN I REALLY GET ONE FROM WALGREENS
-----Original Message-----
From: RV Builder (Michael Sausen) <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
Sent: Mon, Jul 19, 2010 12:30 pm
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: iPhone Apps
<rvbuilder@sausen.net>
My personal favorite......
http://techcrunch.com/2010/06/28/iphone-4-vs-evo-4g/
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com]
On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: iPhone Apps
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKIcaejkpD4
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Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
On Jul 18, 2010, at 5:34 PM, Robin Marks wrote:
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> You know what the iPad & iPhone have in common? Neither make phone calls.
> See you all at OSH.
> Robin
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> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2010 2:15 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: iPhone Apps
>
>
> Ditto here. I have skycharts, foreflight, and wingx. Foreflight is
> my favorite. They are all different in some way. They all have ipad
> versions that are even nicer than on the iPhone. Foreflight is the
> only one that transfers your subscription to both devices.
> Tim
>
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> On Jul 18, 2010, at 2:13 PM, "egohr1"
> <EGOHR86@alumni.carnegiemellon.edu> wrote:
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> <EGOHR86@alumni.carnegiemellon.edu
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>> I have a Iphone and foreflight. I love the app on the Iphone, but
>> the best is the foreflight on the Ipad.
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>> One foreflight subscription works for both devices.
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>> eric gohr
>> EGOHR86@alumni.carnegiemellon.edu
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I get updates up to about 4500 AGL, But I am over more populated areas.
Once I get get out of populated areas I do not get any.
On Jul 21, 2010, at 8:28 AM, MARCUS COOPER wrote:
> Thanks for the iPhone replies, I will start with Foreflight when the
phone shows up. One other question, anyone have any luck receiving
weather updates while airborne? I suspect not but it sure would be nice
to replace my xm wx subscription.
>
> Thanks again,
> Marcus
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> --- On Tue, 7/20/10, fixitauto@aol.com <fixitauto@aol.com> wrote:
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> From: fixitauto@aol.com <fixitauto@aol.com>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: iPhone Apps
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Date: Tuesday, July 20, 2010, 3:18 PM
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> CAN I REALLY GET ONE FROM WALGREENS
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: RV Builder (Michael Sausen) <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Mon, Jul 19, 2010 12:30 pm
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: iPhone Apps
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> <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
>
> My personal favorite......
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> http://techcrunch.com/2010/06/28/iphone-4-vs-evo-4g/
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]
> On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 10:34 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: iPhone Apps
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKIcaejkpD4
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> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> jesse@saintaviation.com
> C: 352-427-0285
> F: 815-377-3694
>
> On Jul 18, 2010, at 5:34 PM, Robin Marks wrote:
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> > You know what the iPad & iPhone have in common? Neither make phone
calls.
> > See you all at OSH.
> > Robin
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> > Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2010 2:15 PM
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: iPhone Apps
> >
> >
> > Ditto here. I have skycharts, foreflight, and wingx. Foreflight
is
> > my favorite. They are all different in some way. They all have
ipad
> > versions that are even nicer than on the iPhone. Foreflight is the
> > only one that transfers your subscription to both devices.
> > Tim
> >
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> >
> > On Jul 18, 2010, at 2:13 PM, "egohr1"
> > <EGOHR86@alumni.carnegiemellon.edu> wrote:
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> > <EGOHR86@alumni.carnegiemellon.edu
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> >> I have a Iphone and foreflight. I love the app on the Iphone, but
> >> the best is the foreflight on the Ipad.
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> >> eric gohr
> >> EGOHR86@alumni.carnegiemellon.edu
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It should probably be pointed out that cell phone operation airborne isn't
exactly legal per FCC regs. Unless I'm missing something any updates to the
iPhone/iPad flight apps for weather are coming via the data connection over
the cell service. The location is via GPS (with cell triangulation help)
but I don't think ou can turn off cell service and leave GPS active on the
iPhone but that is a guess. Haven't really played with that on mine yet.
Maybe someone else on here can clarify.
Richard
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Garrison
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 7:37 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: iPhone Apps
I get updates up to about 4500 AGL, But I am over more populated areas. Once
I get get out of populated areas I do not get any.
On Jul 21, 2010, at 8:28 AM, MARCUS COOPER wrote:
Thanks for the iPhone replies, I will start with Foreflight when the phone
shows up. One other question, anyone have any luck receiving weather
updates while airborne? I suspect not but it sure would be nice to replace
my xm wx subscription.
Thanks again,
Marcus
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--- On Tue, 7/20/10, fixitauto@aol.com <fixitauto@aol.com> wrote:
From: fixitauto@aol.com <fixitauto@aol.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: iPhone Apps
CAN I REALLY GET ONE FROM WALGREENS
-----Original Message-----
From: RV Builder (Michael Sausen) <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
Sent: Mon, Jul 19, 2010 12:30 pm
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: iPhone Apps
<rvbuilder@sausen.net
<http://us.mc841.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rvbuilder@sausen.net> >
My personal favorite......
http://techcrunch.com/2010/06/28/iphone-4-vs-evo-4g/
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
<http://us.mc841.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=owner-rv10-list-server@matroni
cs.com> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
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On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 10:34 AM
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Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: iPhone Apps
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKIcaejkpD4
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Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
<http://us.mc841.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jesse@saintaviation.com>
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
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> You know what the iPad & iPhone have in common? Neither make phone calls.
> See you all at OSH.
> Robin
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> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
<http://us.mc841.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=owner-rv10-list-server@matroni
cs.com>
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
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cs.com&> ] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2010 2:15 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
<http://us.mc841.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: iPhone Apps
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>
> Ditto here. I have skycharts, foreflight, and wingx. Foreflight is
> my favorite. They are all different in some way. They all have ipad
> versions that are even nicer than on the iPhone. Foreflight is the
> only one that transfers your subscription to both devices.
> Tim
>
>
>
> On Jul 18, 2010, at 2:13 PM, "egohr1"
> <EGOHR86@alumni.carnegiemellon.edu
<http://us.mc841.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=EGOHR86@alumni.carnegiemellon.
edu> > wrote:
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edu>
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>> I have a Iphone and foreflight. I love the app on the Iphone, but
>> the best is the foreflight on the Ipad.
>>
>> One foreflight subscription works for both devices.
>>
>> --------
>> eric gohr
>> EGOHR86@alumni.carnegiemellon.edu
<http://us.mc841.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=EGOHR86@alumni.carnegiemellon.
edu>
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>> Read this topic online here:
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Les;
Great write up. I had not seen that document before. It will be a
great help to those that are following behind. The write up puts
together a lot of combined ideas from the list members. All of which
will give you a slick looking door fit. Now all you have to do is
decide on the method of keeping the door in place during flight.......
Keep sanding. It is all worth it.
Dr Fred.
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I happen to look through a recent Trade a Plane paper and noticed two very
low time( under 200 hrs)RV10s for sale. Both had IO 540s and at least one h
ad a three blade MT prop. They had a good instrument cluster=2C paint and l
ooked finished.
I was quite surprised at the low asking prices=2C one was 178k and the othe
r was around 180K. For such low hours=2C unknown whether these are rebuilt
engines=2C I found it a little depressing. I have about 160K into my plane
and sparce instrumentation. I built it for the mission=2C have no other d
esires and I am very please with the results. I am almost finished. If I so
ld for 20K over cost=2C and I have nearly 2300hours on a QB wing and Fuse
=2C of course I made mods that make it not too stock=2C I would have paid m
yself eight dollars an hour.
I know the market is depressed=2C but!
I guess I will have to believe I am comparing apples and oranges. My highes
t paid employee in the dental office gets paid a little over four times tha
t amount.
What's up!
JOhn Gonzalez 409=2C engine sensor connections
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| Subject: | Re: Resale on RV 10 |
I too am surprised at low sale values on RV-10's. To find a comparable
new aircraft you would spend around 300+. I guess the whole amateur
built thing doesn't help. Knowing what I know now, I would not be
hesitant to buy a used RV-10 because they are such a good buy. After
building one (not done yet) it would be easy to see if the build was
subpar. So I think it is only education to the buyer that is needed to
get the resale higher.
----- Original Message -----
From: John Gonzalez
To: RV 10 group
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 9:38 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Resale on RV 10
I happen to look through a recent Trade a Plane paper and noticed two
very low time( under 200 hrs)RV10s for sale. Both had IO 540s and at
least one had a three blade MT prop. They had a good instrument cluster,
paint and looked finished.
I was quite surprised at the low asking prices, one was 178k and the
other was around 180K. For such low hours, unknown whether these are
rebuilt engines, I found it a little depressing. I have about 160K into
my plane and sparce instrumentation. I built it for the mission, have
no other desires and I am very please with the results. I am almost
finished. If I sold for 20K over cost, and I have nearly 2300hours on a
QB wing and Fuse, of course I made mods that make it not too stock, I
would have paid myself eight dollars an hour.
I know the market is depressed, but!
I guess I will have to believe I am comparing apples and oranges. My
highest paid employee in the dental office gets paid a little over four
times that amount.
What's up!
JOhn Gonzalez 409, engine sensor connections
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| Subject: | Re: Resale on RV 10 |
Yep, that's the depressed market. We're probably at the point now
where our planes are worth just what we paid, and nothing for
the labor...since they're only worth what someone can/will pay.
Combine that with the fact that with 300 flying, RV-10's are
now common enough that if you want one, there are some you
can buy....it's not like 10 people are shopping and there's only
1 plane to purchase. Add in that many builders built theirs
to sell, so it brought prices down by increasing supply.
Now, if they end up having the 100LL issue, then what MAY
end up being more valuable are carbureted O-540 RV-10's
with 8:1 pistons, since lower compression might keep
those planes flying on Premium Auto fuel.
But, I know I said it long ago and others have too...you're
building this plane for YOU, and if you fly it and keep
it and maintain it, it should treat you nice and help keep
your costs lower than if you bought something "off the shelf".
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
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On 7/21/2010 10:38 AM, John Gonzalez wrote:
> I happen to look through a recent Trade a Plane paper and noticed two
> very low time( under 200 hrs)RV10s for sale. Both had IO 540s and at
> least one had a three blade MT prop. They had a good instrument cluster,
> paint and looked finished.
>
> I was quite surprised at the low asking prices, one was 178k and the
> other was around 180K. For such low hours, unknown whether these are
> rebuilt engines, I found it a little depressing. I have about 160K into
> my plane and sparce instrumentation. I built it for the mission, have no
> other desires and I am very please with the results. I am almost
> finished. If I sold for 20K over cost, and I have nearly 2300hours on a
> QB wing and Fuse, of course I made mods that make it not too stock, I
> would have paid myself eight dollars an hour.
>
> I know the market is depressed, but!
>
> I guess I will have to believe I am comparing apples and oranges. My
> highest paid employee in the dental office gets paid a little over four
> times that amount.
>
> *What's up!*
>
> JOhn Gonzalez 409, engine sensor connections
>
> *
>
>
> *
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John, welcome to the world of experimental aviation where we build to learn.
Very rarely will you ever see a homebuilt sell for what's into it,
especially one that's been flown a bit (not "spec" built). I have almost
100K into my RV7A and I'm sure there's no way I could sell it for anything
near that with 300 hrs on it. Our RV10 will be the same way, we'll have
200K into it the day its done, and even with G900, new engine and prop
etc.the market won't pay me a cent for my labor.
But we have nice airplanes and that's what its about.
Bob Brown
40871
fwf
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 8:39 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Resale on RV 10
I happen to look through a recent Trade a Plane paper and noticed two very
low time( under 200 hrs)RV10s for sale. Both had IO 540s and at least one
had a three blade MT prop. They had a good instrument cluster, paint and
looked finished.
I was quite surprised at the low asking prices, one was 178k and the other
was around 180K. For such low hours, unknown whether these are rebuilt
engines, I found it a little depressing. I have about 160K into my plane and
sparce instrumentation. I built it for the mission, have no other desires
and I am very please with the results. I am almost finished. If I sold for
20K over cost, and I have nearly 2300hours on a QB wing and Fuse, of course
I made mods that make it not too stock, I would have paid myself eight
dollars an hour.
I know the market is depressed, but!
I guess I will have to believe I am comparing apples and oranges. My highest
paid employee in the dental office gets paid a little over four times that
amount.
What's up!
JOhn Gonzalez 409, engine sensor connections
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| Subject: | Re: Resale on RV 10 |
I sure wish someone had explained the birds and the bees to me 6
years ago. It sure sounded like fun back then, but now upon hearing even
this news, makes me wonder what kind of insanity i inflicted upon
myself. I will gladly save them some sanity, and tell them to buy a
flying aircraft, like most other sane people do!
Jae
40533 still
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| Subject: | Re: Retaining Mcmaster carr door seal in place |
Hi Les, thank you again for that great writeup. I just started down that
road, so i will be referencing your writeup closely.
Jae
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On 7/20/2010 6:53 PM, Les Kearney wrote:
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> Hi
>
> Here is the document Fred mentioned. I sent a few emails describing what I
> did to Pat Pulis in Australia who converted them into a small Word Doc.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Resale on RV 10 |
I can see another primer war on the horizon.....
Deems - packing up the money sucking monster for another excursion to
fulfill a dream - Davis
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Ahhh, but then it isn't such a bargain for the buyer.
If YOU build it, and YOU keep it, YOU are the repair person
and you don't have to pay gobs of money for maintenance
on it....and YOU have the skills to rebuild any banged
up parts from hangar rash, and so on. But if someone
else buys it, they're going to have annual inspection costs,
and many buyers won't have the skill to build parts
and save money, and they'll pay for maintenance. I could
have saved a ton of money on the actual airplane if I
had just bought a used Bonanza, and they're nice planes.
But you'll not only get as good or better performance, but
lower maintenance costs, if you build...plus, it's a zero-timed
airframe, which is worth a lot in itself.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 7/21/2010 12:14 PM, Jae Chang wrote:
>
> I sure wish someone had explained the birds and the bees to me 6 years
> ago. It sure sounded like fun back then, but now upon hearing even this
> news, makes me wonder what kind of insanity i inflicted upon myself. I
> will gladly save them some sanity, and tell them to buy a flying
> aircraft, like most other sane people do!
>
> Jae
> 40533 still
>
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Jae
It is the journey not the destination that makes building fun (albeit
frustrating at times). I am having a wonderful time turning AL into scrap,
epoxy into dust while watching my hair grow greyer. No second thoughts here
(at least today!).
Cheers
Les
#40643 - Off to KOSH in 2 days
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jae Chang
Sent: July-21-10 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Resale on RV 10
I sure wish someone had explained the birds and the bees to me 6 years
ago. It sure sounded like fun back then, but now upon hearing even this
news, makes me wonder what kind of insanity i inflicted upon myself. I will
gladly save them some sanity, and tell them to buy a flying aircraft, like
most other sane people do!
Jae
40533 still
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| Subject: | Re: Resale on RV 10 |
I can't believe what I'm hearing.... sorry guys, I thought we built the air
plane to not only experience the build, but to fly it.... for many years.
- No one could have told me how much I was going to enjoy the build, coup
led with the satisfaction and special feelings that you have when it finall
y flies.- This should go down as one of ones best lifetime achievements a
nd so much to be proud of.- Then as a bonus, we have the opportunity to b
e part of an extended family.- Hate to think I'd buy the house of my drea
ms and then sit around and worry about it's FMV.-
Sorry, I guess that's my 4 cents worth.
Don McDonald
Now living in a great airpark and flying an unbelievable plane.
--- On Wed, 7/21/10, Jae Chang <jc-matronics_rv10@jline.com> wrote:
From: Jae Chang <jc-matronics_rv10@jline.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Resale on RV 10
- - I sure wish someone had explained the birds and the bees to me 6 ye
ars ago. It sure sounded like fun back then, but now upon hearing even this
news, makes me wonder what kind of insanity i inflicted upon myself. I wil
l gladly save them some sanity, and tell them to buy a flying aircraft, lik
e most other sane people do!
Jae
40533 still
le, List Admin.
=0A=0A
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I concur...If my shop burned down I would find a way to order another as
soon as I can with a smile on my face : )
----- Original Message -----
From: "Les Kearney" <kearney@shaw.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 11:48 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Resale on RV 10
>
> Jae
>
> It is the journey not the destination that makes building fun (albeit
> frustrating at times). I am having a wonderful time turning AL into scrap,
> epoxy into dust while watching my hair grow greyer. No second thoughts
> here
> (at least today!).
>
> Cheers
>
> Les
>
> #40643 - Off to KOSH in 2 days
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jae Chang
> Sent: July-21-10 11:15 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Resale on RV 10
>
>
> I sure wish someone had explained the birds and the bees to me 6 years
> ago. It sure sounded like fun back then, but now upon hearing even this
> news, makes me wonder what kind of insanity i inflicted upon myself. I
> will
> gladly save them some sanity, and tell them to buy a flying aircraft, like
> most other sane people do!
>
> Jae
> 40533 still
>
>
>
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Bob, thanks very much for posting the camping diagram. It looks like I
ended up with some extra space so if someone (or the group?) can use it
please feel free. We're renting a trailer from a local guy who's going to
park it for us in the next few days. Once the trailer is set up, the rest
of the space is pretty much available for whatever anyone needs.
Also, I'd like to make a contribution to the group for dinners and
expenses. Please let me know how I can help.
I expect to be there Monday afternoon. See you then,
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 7:36 PM, bcondrey <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>wrote:
>
> For those attending OSH, attached is the tentative layout of the RV-10 HQ
> camping area. This year in addition to the camping crowds getting here much
> earlier, there is the water to deal with. In prior years folks seemed to
> have preference for being stretched out along a single road but with the
> swampy areas it just wasn't possible. The layout is tentative because folks
> always have the option of swapping when they get here.
>
> I've highlighted the RV-10 group area in green to make it easy for those
> not camping with us to find it. We have several picnic tables and are up to
> 500 square feet of canopy shade space. We'll be adding another 200 square
> feet to that tomorrow (courtesy of Michael).
>
> We've used our discretion in where we've placed specific people based on
> either camping vehicle size, consideration for tents (dry high ground), etc.
> For those wondering, Dave Leikam specifically requested the same site he
> had last year and it happened to be open but nothing adjacent to it was.
>
> The map is not to scale but the sites for those with motorhomes are larger
> than those with tents and the relative positions are accurate.
>
> Bob
> RV-10 N442PM
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305685#305685
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/osh_2010_layout_202.pdf
>
>
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And don=92t forget the modern avionics.
Your choice is this (at best):
[image: http://www.wineselector.org/images/Bonanza%20Full%20Panel.jpg]
Or this:
[image: http://www.steinair.com/G900X/mmG900xRV10.jpg]
I have a certified 6 place plane that I spent $3,800 on an Auto Pilot repai
r
less than 90 flight hours ago. The AP is now DOA. If I were to have it
repaired again it COULD be closer to $12,000. How long can I expect that to
last? Who knows but with OBAM and the products available to the Experimenta
l
market you will spend less and have better performance riding in all new
hardware rather than something well over 30 years old.
By the way I am selling a certified plane at the end of this week for just
under $100K that I have over $170K =93invested=94. The RV-10 is looking lik
e a
better value every day. If you take the long view of a plane built for
$200K, flown for 10 years and sold for $165K that equates to a $292 base
monthly cost. Not free but not bad either. If you buy a $200K Bentley and
drive it sparingly for 10 years it may be worth $50K that is why I have
sworn off of any more Bentley=92s. J
To Tim=92s point of professional builders driving down the price of -10=92s
in
the used market place. I suspect the =93professional builders=94 will build
one
or maybe two before they come to the same conclusion; =93I am earning minim
um
wage=94 while having a lot of $ wrapped in the plane.
Flying a plane you build and maintain: PRICELESS
Robin
Do Not Archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Resale on RV 10
Ahhh, but then it isn't such a bargain for the buyer.
If YOU build it, and YOU keep it, YOU are the repair person
and you don't have to pay gobs of money for maintenance
on it....and YOU have the skills to rebuild any banged
up parts from hangar rash, and so on. But if someone
else buys it, they're going to have annual inspection costs,
and many buyers won't have the skill to build parts
and save money, and they'll pay for maintenance. I could
have saved a ton of money on the actual airplane if I
had just bought a used Bonanza, and they're nice planes.
But you'll not only get as good or better performance, but
lower maintenance costs, if you build...plus, it's a zero-timed
airframe, which is worth a lot in itself.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 7/21/2010 12:14 PM, Jae Chang wrote:
>
> I sure wish someone had explained the birds and the bees to me 6 years
> ago. It sure sounded like fun back then, but now upon hearing even this
> news, makes me wonder what kind of insanity i inflicted upon myself. I
> will gladly save them some sanity, and tell them to buy a flying
> aircraft, like most other sane people do!
>
> Jae
> 40533 still
>
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Amen Brother! You said it.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 7/21/2010 12:52 PM, Don McDonald wrote:
> I can't believe what I'm hearing.... sorry guys, I thought we built the
> airplane to not only experience the build, but to fly it.... for many
> years. No one could have told me how much I was going to enjoy the
> build, coupled with the satisfaction and special feelings that you have
> when it finally flies. This should go down as one of ones best lifetime
> achievements and so much to be proud of. Then as a bonus, we have the
> opportunity to be part of an extended family. Hate to think I'd buy the
> house of my dreams and then sit around and worry about it's FMV.
> Sorry, I guess that's my 4 cents worth.
> Don McDonald
> Now living in a great airpark and flying an unbelievable plane.
>
> --- On *Wed, 7/21/10, Jae Chang /<jc-matronics_rv10@jline.com>/* wrote:
>
>
> From: Jae Chang <jc-matronics_rv10@jline.com>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Resale on RV 10
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 10:14 AM
>
> <jc-matronics_rv10@jline.com
> <http://us.mc537.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jc-matronics_rv10@jline.com>>
>
> I sure wish someone had explained the birds and the bees to me 6
> years ago. It sure sounded like fun back then, but now upon hearing
> even this news, makes me wonder what kind of insanity i inflicted
> upon myself. I will gladly save them some sanity, and tell them to
> buy a flying aircraft, like most other sane people do!
>
> Jae
> 4.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List"
> target=_blank>http://www.matronics.co=======================
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
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Well said Don and Robin.
Building and Flying a airplane you built has always been my dream. And every
time I fly my Rv-10 my grin gets bigger. I had so much fun building and the
best thing was meeting all the people building and flying there RV-10s. New
friends for life what can be better.
Geoff
Geoff Combs
President
Aerosport Modeling & Design
8090 Howe Industrial Parkway
Canal Winchester, Ohio 43110
614-834-5227p
614-834-5230f
www.aerosportmodeling.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Resale on RV 10
Amen Brother! You said it.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 7/21/2010 12:52 PM, Don McDonald wrote:
> I can't believe what I'm hearing.... sorry guys, I thought we built
> the airplane to not only experience the build, but to fly it.... for
> many years. No one could have told me how much I was going to enjoy
> the build, coupled with the satisfaction and special feelings that you
> have when it finally flies. This should go down as one of ones best
> lifetime achievements and so much to be proud of. Then as a bonus, we
> have the opportunity to be part of an extended family. Hate to think
> I'd buy the house of my dreams and then sit around and worry about
> it's FMV. Sorry, I guess that's my 4 cents worth. Don McDonald
> Now living in a great airpark and flying an unbelievable plane.
>
> --- On *Wed, 7/21/10, Jae Chang /<jc-matronics_rv10@jline.com>/*
> wrote:
>
>
> From: Jae Chang <jc-matronics_rv10@jline.com>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Resale on RV 10
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 10:14 AM
>
> <jc-matronics_rv10@jline.com
>
> <http://us.mc537.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jc-matronics_rv10@jline.
> com>>
>
> I sure wish someone had explained the birds and the bees to me 6
> years ago. It sure sounded like fun back then, but now upon hearing
> even this news, makes me wonder what kind of insanity i inflicted
> upon myself. I will gladly save them some sanity, and tell them to
> buy a flying aircraft, like most other sane people do!
>
> Jae
> 4.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List"
> target=_blank>http://www.matronics.co=======================
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
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Since the beginning of time, when Randy first rolled out #40006, I have kep
t a database of every listed, sold and rescended RV-10 that passed over the
net. Some can slip by but not many. Boy do I have a lot of pictures of fi
nished ones. It has been enlightening to say the least to see the number of
non(yet to be licensed) pilots, RC pilots, and First Time offenders who ha
ve taken the plunge... Successfully. And yes, I was onboard back in the da
y of James McClow and his progress to that point.
It has been amazing at the number of flying RV-10s that go "Listed" shortly
after the build is complete. I do not believe it is about the lousy fiber
glass fabbed parts. I do conclude it is the "Walter Mitty" in all of us.
Flying all over the US to do EAA Tech Inspections I get to see the good, th
e bad, the ugly and occassionally the exceptional build one . Some guys ar
e just skilled at caressing rivets. Others are great at fabrication of car
bon-fiber, avionics and ingenious improvements for the rest of us. Some ju
st have a pot of money to spend in the happiness of life's pursuits.
For me, the RV-10 is a 21st Century Commanche with the perks of having "The
Pride of Owner Built and Maintained". Tim's site had a lot to do with the
progress, ideas, motivation and what to do to tackle what initially seemed
in-surmountable. My last annual on a Beech B-95 Travel Air confirmed that
any RV-10 is better than any certificated production aircraft (yes even a
Cirrus).
The marketplace has taken a major hit in the last five years. Financial Ma
rkets reflect it and we are now postured to see a rebirth or resurgence of
activity. There have been too many soles lost, there can always be improv
ements to what we do. The current pricing reflects natural economic forces
. Supply/Demand/Risk/Profit. For those waivering, STAY THE COURSE. A les
s than completed kit is worth far less than the cost of just the parts. Th
e finished product is almost always worth more. The accomplishment cannot
be priced. Take a moment and ask a repeat offender "Why?" Surround yourse
lves with positive influences and share the journey with others. Too quick
ly we forget our friend from Muscle Shoals who was doing quite well produci
ng them in volume. They are just a great all around project.
If I began with all the names of friends, techniques learned, smiles encoun
tered I would be even more verbose. I am going to miss the Colliver's this
week and wish them the best when they finally do cross the pond.
This is a fine group of the best builders in the OBAM market - Worldwide.
Keep the faith. The RV-10 has moved far beyond the niche market of a Lanca
ir, an Epic, a GlaStar or other model VANS. The beers will be on me at Cam
p Swampy. See ya all in 2 days.
Oh yeh and those beautiful ole DC-3s. Bring the "Big One ON!"
John Cox
From: Tim Olson
Sent: Wed 7/21/2010 9:02 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Resale on RV 10
hat's%20the%20depressed%20market.%20%20We're%20probably%20at%20the%20point%
20nowwhere%20our%20planes%20are%20worth%20just%20what%20we%20paid,%20and%20
nothing%20forthe%20labor...since%20they're%20only%20worth%20what%20someone%
20can/will%20pay.Combine%20that%20with%20the%20fact%20that%20with%20300%20f
lying,%20RV-10's%20arenow%20common%20enough%20that%20if%20you%20want%20one,
%20there%20are%20some%20youcan%20buy....it's%20not%20like%2010%20people%20a
re%20shopping%20and%20there's%20only1%20plane%20to%20purchase.%20Add%20in%2
0that%20many%20builders%20built%20theirsto%20sell,%20so%20it%20brought%20pr
ices%20down%20by%20increasing%20supply.Now,%20if%20they%20end%20up%20having
%20the%20100LL%20issue,%20then%20what%20MAYend%20up%20being%20more%20valuab
le%20are%20carbureted%20O-540%20RV-10'swith%208:1%20pistons,%20since%20lowe
r%20compression%20might%20keepthose%20planes%20flying%20on%20Premium%20Auto
%20fuel.But,%20I%20know%20I%20said%20it%20long%20ago%20and%20others%20have%
20too...you'rebuilding%20this%20plane%20for%20YOU,%20and%20if%20you%20fly%2
0it%20and%20keepit%20and%20maintain%20it,%20it%20should%20treat%20you%20nic
e%20and%20help%20keepyour%20costs%20lower%20than%20if%20you%20bought%20some
thing%20%22off%20the%20shelf%22.Tim%20Olson%20-%20RV-10%20N104CDdo%20not%20
archiveOn%207/21/2010%2010:38%20AM,%20John%20Gonzalez%20wrote:
> *What's up!*
>
> JOhn Gonzalez 409, engine sensor connections
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: Resale on RV 10 |
I'll add that one could get a Cirrus Xi but it still would never meet
the customizing level we have with our planes and never even come close
to price.
I'm with Don, the enjoyment I have received building this plane has
surpassed any other accomplishment I have done in the past. The
satisfaction of knowing this plane is exactly the way I designed it to
look and be is worth all the work and burnout's I go through. I'll be
even more glad that I know this plane so well that I can save a whole
lot of money doing my own work.. and knowing the engine or the crossed
cables wont fail after an annual since I know what "I" did to assure
that..
The day the FAA takes that privilege away from a builder will be a sad
day indeed..
As long as the plane sits in the garage waiting for more customizing,
prices out there mean nothing, when I go to register the plane,
comparable pricing will be everything when the California taxman cometh,
shame that the plane isn't ready yet. When I go to sell it than it will
be important, until than let the economy make my purchases that much
more "affordable".
Pascal
From: Don McDonald
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Resale on RV 10
I can't believe what I'm hearing.... sorry guys, I thought we
built the airplane to not only experience the build, but to fly it....
for many years. No one could have told me how much I was going to enjoy
the build, coupled with the satisfaction and special feelings that you
have when it finally flies. This should go down as one of ones best
lifetime achievements and so much to be proud of. Then as a bonus, we
have the opportunity to be part of an extended family. Hate to think
I'd buy the house of my dreams and then sit around and worry about it's
FMV.
Sorry, I guess that's my 4 cents worth.
Don McDonald
Now living in a great airpark and flying an unbelievable plane.
--- On Wed, 7/21/10, Jae Chang <jc-matronics_rv10@jline.com>
wrote:
From: Jae Chang <jc-matronics_rv10@jline.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Resale on RV 10
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 10:14 AM
<jc-matronics_rv10@jline.com>
I sure wish someone had explained the birds and the bees to
me 6 years ago. It sure sounded like fun back then, but now upon hearing
even this news, makes me wonder what kind of insanity i inflicted upon
myself. I will gladly save them some sanity, and tell them to buy a
flying aircraft, like most other sane people do!
Jae
4.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List"
target=_blank>http://www.matronics.co============
===========
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My 3 boys and I just finished our vertical stabiliser and man, we are pretty
proud of that. We all just sat back and looked at this shiny piece of
aluminium and thought - cool! we just built part of an aeroplane! It is
one of the first things we have done together that actually has them
scrambling to ditch the playstation and get on the tools when Dad gets home.
Wouldn't trade it for anything.
Tony Woods
Bring on the Rudder!
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cox
Sent: Thursday, 22 July 2010 6:54 a.m.
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Resale on RV 10
Since the beginning of time, when Randy first rolled out #40006, I have kept
a database of every listed, sold and rescended RV-10 that passed over the
net. Some can slip by but not many. Boy do I have a lot of pictures of
finished ones. It has been enlightening to say the least to see the number
of non(yet to be licensed) pilots, RC pilots, and First Time offenders who
have taken the plunge... Successfully. And yes, I was onboard back in the
day of James McClow and his progress to that point.
It has been amazing at the number of flying RV-10s that go "Listed" shortly
after the build is complete. I do not believe it is about the lousy
fiberglass fabbed parts. I do conclude it is the "Walter Mitty" in all of
us. Flying all over the US to do EAA Tech Inspections I get to see the
good, the bad, the ugly and occassionally the exceptional build one . Some
guys are just skilled at caressing rivets. Others are great at fabrication
of carbon-fiber, avionics and ingenious improvements for the rest of us.
Some just have a pot of money to spend in the happiness of life's pursuits.
For me, the RV-10 is a 21st Century Commanche with the perks of having "The
Pride of Owner Built and Maintained". Tim's site had a lot to do with the
progress, ideas, motivation and what to do to tackle what initially seemed
in-surmountable. My last annual on a Beech B-95 Travel Air confirmed that
any RV-10 is better than any certificated production aircraft (yes even a
Cirrus).
The marketplace has taken a major hit in the last five years. Financial
Markets reflect it and we are now postured to see a rebirth or resurgence
of activity. There have been too many soles lost, there can always be
improvements to what we do. The current pricing reflects natural economic
forces. Supply/Demand/Risk/Profit. For those waivering, STAY THE COURSE.
A less than completed kit is worth far less than the cost of just the parts.
The finished product is almost always worth more. The accomplishment cannot
be priced. Take a moment and ask a repeat offender "Why?" Surround
yourselves with positive influences and share the journey with others. Too
quickly we forget our friend from Muscle Shoals who was doing quite well
producing them in volume. They are just a great all around project.
If I began with all the names of friends, techniques learned, smiles
encountered I would be even more verbose. I am going to miss the Colliver's
this week and wish them the best when they finally do cross the pond.
This is a fine group of the best builders in the OBAM market - Worldwide.
Keep the faith. The RV-10 has moved far beyond the niche market of a
Lancair, an Epic, a GlaStar or other model VANS. The beers will be on me at
Camp Swampy. See ya all in 2 days.
Oh yeh and those beautiful ole DC-3s. Bring the "Big One ON!"
John Cox
_____
From: Tim Olson
Sent: Wed 7/21/2010 9:02 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Resale on RV 10
mailto:Tim@myrv10.com%3EYep,%20that's%20the%20depressed%20market.%20%20We're
%20probably%20at%20the%20point%20nowwhere%20our%20planes%20are%20worth%20jus
t%20what%20we%20paid,%20and%20nothing%20forthe%20labor...since%20they're%20o
nly%20worth%20what%20someone%20can/will%20pay.Combine%20that%20with%20the%20
fact%20that%20with%20300%20flying,%20RV-10's%20arenow%20common%20enough%20th
at%20if%20you%20want%20one,%20there%20are%20some%20youcan%20buy....it's%20no
t%20like%2010%20people%20are%20shopping%20and%20there's%20only1%20plane%20to
%20purchase.%20Add%20in%20that%20many%20builders%20built%20theirsto%20sell,%
20so%20it%20brought%20prices%20down%20by%20increasing%20supply.Now,%20if%20t
hey%20end%20up%20having%20the%20100LL%20issue,%20then%20what%20MAYend%20up%2
0being%20more%20valuable%20are%20carbureted%20O-540%20RV-10'swith%208:1%20pi
stons,%20since%20lower%20compression%20might%20keepthose%20planes%20flying%2
0on%20Premium%20Auto%20fuel.But,%20I%20know%20I%20said%20it%20long%20ago%20a
nd%20others%20have%20too...you'rebuilding%20this%20plane%20for%20YOU,%20and%
20if%20you%20fly%20it%20and%20keepit%20and%20maintain%20it,%20it%20should%20
treat%20you%20nice%20and%20help%20keepyour%20costs%20lower%20than%20if%20you
%20bought%20something%20%22off%20the%20shelf%22.Tim%20Olson%20-%20RV-10%20N1
04CDdo%20not%20archiveOn%207/21/2010%2010:38%20AM,%20John%20Gonzalez%20wrote
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| Subject: | Re: Resale on RV 10 |
One section at a time and each time there is the same level of
satisfaction when completed.
Just wait until you get to the composites, they'll be scrambling
alright!!
Pascal
From: Tony Woods
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 12:16 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Resale on RV 10
My 3 boys and I just finished our vertical stabiliser and man, we are
pretty proud of that. We all just sat back and looked at this shiny
piece of aluminium and thought - cool! we just built part of an
aeroplane! It is one of the first things we have done together that
actually has them scrambling to ditch the playstation and get on the
tools when Dad gets home. Wouldn't trade it for anything.
Tony Woods
Bring on the Rudder!
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cox
Sent: Thursday, 22 July 2010 6:54 a.m.
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Resale on RV 10
Since the beginning of time, when Randy first rolled out #40006, I have
kept a database of every listed, sold and rescended RV-10 that passed
over the net. Some can slip by but not many. Boy do I have a lot of
pictures of finished ones. It has been enlightening to say the least to
see the number of non(yet to be licensed) pilots, RC pilots, and First
Time offenders who have taken the plunge... Successfully. And yes, I
was onboard back in the day of James McClow and his progress to that
point.
It has been amazing at the number of flying RV-10s that go "Listed"
shortly after the build is complete. I do not believe it is about the
lousy fiberglass fabbed parts. I do conclude it is the "Walter Mitty"
in all of us. Flying all over the US to do EAA Tech Inspections I get
to see the good, the bad, the ugly and occassionally the exceptional
build one . Some guys are just skilled at caressing rivets. Others are
great at fabrication of carbon-fiber, avionics and ingenious
improvements for the rest of us. Some just have a pot of money to spend
in the happiness of life's pursuits.
For me, the RV-10 is a 21st Century Commanche with the perks of having
"The Pride of Owner Built and Maintained". Tim's site had a lot to do
with the progress, ideas, motivation and what to do to tackle what
initially seemed in-surmountable. My last annual on a Beech B-95 Travel
Air confirmed that any RV-10 is better than any certificated production
aircraft (yes even a Cirrus).
The marketplace has taken a major hit in the last five years. Financial
Markets reflect it and we are now postured to see a rebirth or
resurgence of activity. There have been too many soles lost, there can
always be improvements to what we do. The current pricing reflects
natural economic forces. Supply/Demand/Risk/Profit. For those
waivering, STAY THE COURSE. A less than completed kit is worth far less
than the cost of just the parts. The finished product is almost always
worth more. The accomplishment cannot be priced. Take a moment and ask
a repeat offender "Why?" Surround yourselves with positive influences
and share the journey with others. Too quickly we forget our friend
from Muscle Shoals who was doing quite well producing them in volume.
They are just a great all around project.
If I began with all the names of friends, techniques learned, smiles
encountered I would be even more verbose. I am going to miss the
Colliver's this week and wish them the best when they finally do cross
the pond.
This is a fine group of the best builders in the OBAM market -
Worldwide. Keep the faith. The RV-10 has moved far beyond the niche
market of a Lancair, an Epic, a GlaStar or other model VANS. The beers
will be on me at Camp Swampy. See ya all in 2 days.
Oh yeh and those beautiful ole DC-3s. Bring the "Big One ON!"
John Cox
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From: Tim Olson
Sent: Wed 7/21/2010 9:02 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Resale on RV 10
mailto:Tim@myrv10.com%3EYep,%20that's%20the%20depressed%20market.%20%20We
're%20probably%20at%20the%20point%20nowwhere%20our%20planes%20are%20worth
%20just%20what%20we%20paid,%20and%20nothing%20forthe%20labor...since%20th
ey're%20only%20worth%20what%20someone%20can/will%20pay.Combine%20that%20w
ith%20the%20fact%20that%20with%20300%20flying,%20RV-10's%20arenow%20commo
n%20enough%20that%20if%20you%20want%20one,%20there%20are%20some%20youcan%
20buy....it's%20not%20like%2010%20people%20are%20shopping%20and%20there's
%20only1%20plane%20to%20purchase.%20Add%20in%20that%20many%20builders%20b
uilt%20theirsto%20sell,%20so%20it%20brought%20prices%20down%20by%20increa
sing%20supply.Now,%20if%20they%20end%20up%20having%20the%20100LL%20issue,
%20then%20what%20MAYend%20up%20being%20more%20valuable%20are%20carbureted
%20O-540%20RV-10'swith%208:1%20pistons,%20since%20lower%20compression%20m
ight%20keepthose%20planes%20flying%20on%20Premium%20Auto%20fuel.But,%20I%
20know%20I%20said%20it%20long%20ago%20and%20others%20have%20too...you'reb
uilding%20this%20plane%20for%20YOU,%20and%20if%20you%20fly%20it%20and%20k
eepit%20and%20maintain%20it,%20it%20should%20treat%20you%20nice%20and%20h
elp%20keepyour%20costs%20lower%20than%20if%20you%20bought%20something%20%
22off%20the%20shelf%22.Tim%20Olson%20-%20RV-10%20N104CDdo%20not%20archive
On%207/21/2010%2010:38%20AM,%20John%20Gonzalez%20wrote:> *What's up!*> >
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| Subject: | James cowl inlet |
Sitting here scratching my head. If I had hair it would be rubbed of by now. I
am working on the FAB for the Sam James cowl. Don't have the cold air or anything
fancy to make this any more complicated than it already is, just the 3" inlet
ring. To those who have gone before me, I have the adapter from Sam James
to put the round ram air inlet to the square peg of the FAB. My questions are:
1) How much space between the aft end of the ring and the forward part of the adapter
glassed onto the FAB?
2) Using the fabric stuff provided by Sam James to fill the gap between the ring
and the FAB are you having issues installing the lower cowl...how did you address
that. I am not sure how it even gets held on. The instructions leave a lot
to builder preference on this one.
Definitely looks like this is more work than the Vans cowl, but it sure does look
nice:)
Eric Kallio
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| Subject: | Lifting the fusalage without wings |
I know this has been discussed, and I could not find the thread I was
looking for, but what is a good way to lift the airframe off the gear to
install the wheel pants? Engine and prop are installed. Photos?
Thanks!
Dave Leikam
RV-10 N89DA
Muskego, WI
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| Subject: | Re: James cowl inlet |
Eric,
I have the same setup with the round intake ring. The intake ring adapter they
sold me did not fit. It was huge on the FAB side, and small on the intake ring
side if I remember correctly. I made one on my own, and on the second try it
worked out...
I glassed the ring into the cowling, and then glassed the adapter onto it. The
adapter is then slid into the baffling material attached to the end of the FAB.
It takes a little work to install the cowling, but this setup actually holds
the cowling in place in the front, while you button up the back end.
Lenny
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| Subject: | Van' RV-10 Wiring kit for sale |
This is a new RV-10 wiring kit for I(O)-540 part number
ES WH 10 KIT I(O)-540 Van's price $710.00 plus shipping.
Price $560.00.
Call Mike 612-590-8604 or email mike@profishenterprises.com[/i]
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| Subject: | Re: James cowl inlet |
Thanks Lenny. My adapter is off-sized like yours as well. When the cowling is in
place how much space did you have between the inlet/adapter, and the filtered
air box? I can't imagine leaving more than an inch or so between the two parts.
Any pics by chance?
Eric
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| Subject: | Re: Lifting the fusalage without wings |
Try looking here:
http://www.mykitlog.com/users/category.php?user=MauleDriver&project=224&category=5629
I used the engine hoist along with some oak 1.5"X1" sticks underneath
the spar stubs. I used shorter lengths to use on 2 hydraulic jacks to
get it up then rested the whole thing on the 2 sticks and the engine
hoist. You can level the fuse with hoist.
Later, needing the sticks out of the way for strut work, I used a cut
down saw horse on top of 4 paint cans to hold the spar center section up
so I could remove the sticks. Again, the engine hoist allows you to level.
The tripod at the tail you may see in the photos was non-functional.
Hope that helps.
Bill "sand fill sand fill" Watson
Dave Leikam wrote:
> I know this has been discussed, and I could not find the thread I was
> looking for, but what is a good way to lift the airframe off the gear
> to install the wheel pants? Engine and prop are installed. Photos?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Dave Leikam
> RV-10 N89DA
> Muskego, WI
> *
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Robert Brunkenhoefer
Sent from my Apple iPad
Begin forwarded message:
> From: Robert Brunkenhoefer <robertbrunk@me.com>
> Date: July 21, 2010 2:22:36 PM MDT
> To: "rv10-list@matronics.com" <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Resale on RV 10
>
> I own an Rv10 I did not build but I want you all to know last week as
I was parked at Roswell a Columbia 400 parked next to me with the
identical paint scheme. Corporate pilots waiting out the same storm were
astonished to discover my airplane was experimental and that the cost
for my airplane with it's fine state of the art stack and all the
deluxe features as compared to the plane sitting next to it at a cost of
less than 1/3 the price. They couldn't tell the difference in quality of
workmanship. This happens everywhere I go. I am so proud of this
aircraft . I couldn't buy any certified plane with all the bells and
whistles mine has on it for anywhere near the price and mine Is brand
new! I may not have the joy of owning an airplane I built for myself,
but I sure enjoy the pride of ownership of the best 4 place aircraft
flying today. Robert. N661G. Riding out a thunderstorm in Ruidoso
>
> Robert Brunkenhoefer
> Sent from my Apple iPad
>
> On Jul 21, 2010, at 12:54 PM, John Cox <johnwcox@pacificnw.com> wrote:
>
>> Since the beginning of time, when Randy first rolled out #40006, I
have kept a database of every listed, sold and rescended RV-10 that
passed over the net. Some can slip by but not many. Boy do I have a lot
of pictures of finished ones. It has been enlightening to say the least
to see the number of non(yet to be licensed) pilots, RC pilots, and
First Time offenders who have taken the plunge... Successfully. And
yes, I was onboard back in the day of James McClow and his progress to
that point.
>>
>> It has been amazing at the number of flying RV-10s that go "Listed"
shortly after the build is complete. I do not believe it is about the
lousy fiberglass fabbed parts. I do conclude it is the "Walter Mitty"
in all of us. Flying all over the US to do EAA Tech Inspections I get
to see the good, the bad, the ugly and occassionally the exceptional
build one . Some guys are just skilled at caressing rivets. Others are
great at fabrication of carbon-fiber, avionics and ingenious
improvements for the rest of us. Some just have a pot of money to spend
in the happiness of life's pursuits.
>>
>> For me, the RV-10 is a 21st Century Commanche with the perks of
having "The Pride of Owner Built and Maintained". Tim's site had a lot
to do with the progress, ideas, motivation and what to do to tackle what
initially seemed in-surmountable. My last annual on a Beech B-95 Travel
Air confirmed that any RV-10 is better than any certificated production
aircraft (yes even a Cirrus).
>>
>> The marketplace has taken a major hit in the last five years.
Financial Markets reflect it and we are now postured to see a rebirt or
resurgence of activity. There have been too many soles lost, there can
always be improvements to what we do. The current pricing reflects
natural economic forces. Supply/Demand/Risk/Profit. For those
waivering, STAY THE COURSE. A less than completed kit is worth far less
than the cost of just the parts. The finished product is almost always
worth more. The accomplishment cannot be priced. Take a moment and ask
a repeat offender "Why?" Surround yourselves with positive influences
and share the journey with others. Too quickly we forget our friend
from Muscle Shoals who was doing quite well producing them in volume.
They are just a great all around project.
>>
>> If I began with all the names of friends, techniques learned, smiles
encountered I would be even more verbose. I am going to miss the
Colliver's this week and wish them the best when they finally do cross
the pond.
>>
>> This is a fine group of the best builders in the OBAM market -
Worldwide. Keep the faith. The RV-10 has moved far beyond the niche
market of a Lancair, an Epic, a GlaStar or other model VANS. The beers
will be on me at Camp Swampy. See ya all in 2 days.
>>
>> Oh yeh and those beautiful ole DC-3s. Bring the "Big One ON!"
>>
>>
>> John Cox
>>
>> From: Tim Olson
>> Sent: Wed 7/21/2010 9:02 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Resale on RV 10
>>
mailto:Tim@myrv10.com%3EYep,%20that's%20the%20depressed%20market.%20%20We'
re%20probably%20at%20the%20point%20nowwhere%20our%20planes%20are%20worth%2
0just%20what%20we%20paid,%20and%20nothing%20forthe%20labor...since%20they'
re%20only%20worth%20what%20someone%20can/will%20pay.Combine%20that%20with%
20the%20fact%20that%20with%20300%20flying,%20RV-10's%20arenow%20common%20e
nough%20that%20if%20you%20want%20one,%20there%20are%20some%20youcan%20buy.
...it's%20not%20like%2010%20people%20are%20shopping%20and%20there's%20only
1%20plane%20to%20purchase.%20Add%20in%20that%20many%20builders%20built%20t
heirsto%20sell,%20so%20it%20brought%20prices%20down%20by%20increasing%20su
pply.Now,%20if%20they%20end%20up%20having%20the%20100LL%20issue,%20then%20
what%20MAYend%20up%20being%20more%20valuable%20are%20carbureted%20O-540%20
RV-10'swith%208:1%20pistons,%20since%20lower%20compression%20might%20keept
hose%20planes%20flying%20on%20Premium%20Auto%20fuel.But,%20I%20know%20I%20
said%20it%20long%20ago%20and%20others%20have%20too...you'rebuilding%20this
%20plane%20for%20YOU,%20and%20if%20you%20fly%20it%20and%20keepit%20and%20m
aintain%20it,%20it%20should%20treat%20you%20nice%20and%20help%20keepyour%2
0costs%20lower%20than%20if%20you%20bought%20something%20%22off%20the%20she
lf%22.Tim%20Olson%20-%20RV-10%20N104CDdo%20not%20archiveOn%207/21/2010%201
0:38%20AM,%20John%20Gonzalez%20wrote:
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>> >
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>> >
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>>
>>
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Please forgive me if this information has been posted elsewhere on this forum.
I'm wondering if anyone has applied the door seals to the openings or "jams" themselves
as opposed to on the door. And if so...can you suggest a specific seal
or manufacturer? Thanks in advance.
Walt Fuller
RV-10 build # 40584
getting the panel together
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| Subject: | Re: Lifting the fusalage without wings |
Dave, I used a scissor jack under the fork for the nose when needed. To get the
mains up I ran a passed very well padded board under the aft baggage bulkhead
where the tailcone joins the forward fuse. I put a jack on a stand on one side
and the engine hoist on the other and progressively lifted and leveled using
a combination of the lifting devices. Never left it up for too long, but it worked
great for what I needed to do, and it kept the area around the gear legs
clear for working without worrying about hitting my supports.
Eric
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| Subject: | Re: Lifting the fusalage without wings |
I made two stainless steel angled stands that bolt into the fuselage spar attach
point and have adjustable feet to level for wheel pants installation. Anyone
can use them but they are probably expensive to ship.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 21, 2010, at 18:39, "Eric_Kallio" <scout019@msn.com> wrote:
>
> Dave, I used a scissor jack under the fork for the nose when needed. To get the
mains up I ran a passed very well padded board under the aft baggage bulkhead
where the tailcone joins the forward fuse. I put a jack on a stand on one side
and the engine hoist on the other and progressively lifted and leveled using
a combination of the lifting devices. Never left it up for too long, but it
worked great for what I needed to do, and it kept the area around the gear legs
clear for working without worrying about hitting my supports.
>
> Eric
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305860#305860
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: James cowl inlet |
Eric,
My cowling is off at the moment so i can take some pictures for you.
I tried to have as little space as possible, but if you get too close it will be
impossible to put on the lower cowling. I needed to trim off a little from the
end of the FAB. IIRC i have about a 1/2 - 3/4 of an inch space between the
adapter on the cowling and the FAB. Will send you some pics soon.
Lenny
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Walt
If you look at the posts over the past couple of weeks you will find
everything you need to know. McMaster Carr seals seem to be the seal of
choice - and they do mount on the door frame and not the door.
Cheers
Les
#40643
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Walt Fuller
Sent: July-21-10 6:39 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Door Seals
Please forgive me if this information has been posted elsewhere on this
forum. I'm wondering if anyone has applied the door seals to the openings or
"jams" themselves as opposed to on the door. And if so...can you suggest a
specific seal or manufacturer? Thanks in advance.
Walt Fuller
RV-10 build # 40584
getting the panel together
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| Subject: | Retaining Mcmaster carr door seal in place |
Les=2C I have to reach out and thank you for this contribution as well as B
ob for surfacing it again. I have not been working on my 10 for about a ye
ar because I was discouraged at the outcome of the door fit and basically c
ould not move forward. Seeing what you did has solved my problem of how to
build up the frame to establish an appropriate gap for the door.......I co
uldn't figure out how to do that previously=2C thank you!!
> From: kearney@shaw.ca
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Retaining Mcmaster carr door seal in place
> Date: Tue=2C 20 Jul 2010 19:26:31 -0600
>
>
> Hi
>
> Here is the document Fred mentioned. I sent a few emails describing what
I
> did to Pat Pulis in Australia who converted them into a small Word Doc.
>
> My doors are largely done and close quite nicely - not perfect but pretty
> good. The techniques are all borrowed from those who have gone before so
I
> take no credit whatsoever.
>
> The one thing that made a HUGE difference was not installing screws in th
e
> door frame until after the doors were fitted. Being able to move the door
> frame in by an 1/8th of an inch on one side made a very tight door easy t
o
> close.
>
> I also found the door latches close much easier if lubricated with white
> grease. There is a lot of internal friction in the stock Van's setup - or
so
> I found.
>
> When fitting and adjusting the doors and gap=2C be sure to have all the d
oor
> hardware installed - especially the door openers. I found these do affect
> the geometry and how easily the doors open / close.
>
> Cheers
>
> Les
> #40643
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler
> Sent: July-20-10 5:06 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Retaining Mcmaster carr door seal in place
>
>
> This what I did=2C which I've copied from several other builders that did
the
> same before me.
>
> When you trim the rain gutter=2C trim in square so the trim installs in t
he
> appropriate orientation. You will have to build up portions of the rain
> gutter to 1/4". The best method is to use thin strips of glass since ther
e
> are places that you'll need to build up over 1/8". So folks have just use
d
> micro or flox=2C but I think using fiberglass strips will make it stronge
r.
> There are some places where you may also need to sand a flat area on the
> back side to get a good grip.
>
> Ivan Kristensen and Geoff Combs have good photos on their sites. Ivan als
o
> has a video showing the dimensions on his rain gutter after trimming. I'v
e
> tried pulling off the seal on Geoff's RV-10. It's almost impossible to ge
t
> off and it's not glued. He just built up the edge so the fit is very tigh
t.
>
> Les Kearney wrote a doc on how he did his door seals. I can forward a cop
y
> if anyone wants it. He also filled in the rear of the seal so it's smooth
> on the interior. Basically making a channel for the seal to sit in.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jchang10
> Sent: Tuesday=2C July 20=2C 2010 5:32 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Retaining Mcmaster carr door seal in place
>
> --> <jc-matronics_rv10@jline.com>
>
> I finally decided to use the same mcmaster carr seal. in the process of
> trimming the door frame to make room for the seal=2C i was curious about
what
> others may have done to keep the door seal in place.
>
> you can see in the picture linked below=2C that it would be great to make
that
> barb useful. the barb is located on the interior=2C to minimize the amoun
t of
> distortion the seal makes on the door.
>
> however=2C now would be a good time to find a solution to use that barb.
the
> possible options i can think of are:
>
> 1. create a channel or lip to catch the barb. the tricky part is that the
> edge tapers quite a bit on the end.
>
> 2. build up a channel or lip. thus=2C how to build it up nicely?
>
> 3. do nothing at all and glue it in.
>
> thus=2C i'm left pondering what approach the many others who have gone do
wn
> this path have taken?
>
> http://lh6.ggpht.com/_E3nI7J8M6Iw/TEYT7M07YnI/AAAAAAAAB80/85rOXQ2Amsk/s64
0/I
> MG_0010.JPG
>
> Jae
> 40533
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305641#305641
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Sorry everyone. I had to have my own Lindsay Lohan moment. Just gotta do the time
and enjoy the accomplishment when it's done. ;)
Jae
40533
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| Subject: | Retaining Mcmaster carr door seal in place |
Mike
The doors were truly frustrating to start. Even being as careful as possible
and following the instructions carefully I still had issues to figure out.
To start, the index holes that aligned the door halves were missing so I had
to guess where they should have been. After bonding the doors and prior to
cutting the excess door material, I placed a few small stacks of popsicle
sticks under the door flange so that the door would sit reasonably high off
the door sill. I didn't want the door to sit on the sill as this would have
cause problems.
After mounting door hinges and opener, I found the open bracket on the door
was too far down - I will end up fabbing new brackets. I also had to glass
in a couple of depressions in the door to allow the cabin hinge to clear the
door. If I had to do it again, I wouldn't mount the hinge hardware on the
cabin to until I had the doors placed on the side of the cabin top. Then I
would locate them to avoid the interference.
When I first closed the doors I was horrified by how much effort was
required to close them and engage the latches. I was convinced I was going
to have to get one new door and start again one one side. Greasing the
latches made a big difference on how easy the door mechanism worked.
I then spent a lot of time staring at the doors trying to figure out how I
could change the geometry.
What I found was that one door was binding at the very top and in a hard to
see spot. Once that was fixed the door seem to sit better. I then sanded the
opening until I could run a feeler gauge completely around the door and
confirm nothing was touching.
Then I moved the door sill in by about an 1/8" and it took a lot of pressure
off the door seals and made closing easier. I also sanded down the door
flange on the door side to take pressure of the seals. Where necessary I
built up the interior side to get a reasonable flange thickness to hold the
seals.
I also put a shim between the front hinge and the door so that the level of
the door more closely matched the cabin top.
I didn't worry about the gap until after the doors were opening and closing
easily.
To close them now, the pressure of a single finger on the outside is
sufficient to bring them in far enough to engage the latches.
In the midst of all this, I installed the IFLYRV10 billet handles which I
like a great deal. What nearly had me screaming was when one of them seized
while I was working the mechanism. It took some doing to get the handle off.
I used ultra fine sandpaper to clean up the wear surfaces on the parts that
seized and then lubricated with white grease. Problem solved - but for an
hour or so I was intensely frustrated.
I still have to retrofit Seans door latch and I hope that it will allow me
to pull the door in sufficiently for the doors to latch with no real effort.
At times the doorrs, as well as most other aspects of the build, have been
very frustrating. But this is all part of learning new skills. Unfortunately
the kit does not have "replacement parts" for the things that are easy to
bugger up. Application of a few dollars and a courier from Oregon and the
problem is solved.
Cheers
Les
#40643
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roxanne and Mike
Lefever
Sent: July-21-10 7:36 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Retaining Mcmaster carr door seal in place
Les, I have to reach out and thank you for this contribution as well as Bob
for surfacing it again. I have not been working on my 10 for about a year
because I was discouraged at the outcome of the door fit and basically could
not move forward. Seeing what you did has solved my problem of how to build
up the frame to establish an appropriate gap for the door.......I couldn't
figure out how to do that previously, thank you!!
> From: kearney@shaw.ca
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Retaining Mcmaster carr door seal in place
> Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 19:26:31 -0600
>
>
> Hi
>
> Here is the document Fred mentioned. I sent a few emails describing what I
> did to Pat Pulis in Australia who converted them into a small Word Doc.
>
> My doors are largely done and close quite nicely - not perfect but pretty
> good. The techniques are all borrowed from those who have gone before so I
> take no credit whatsoever.
>
> The one thing that made a HUGE difference was not installing screws in the
> door frame until after the doors were fitted. Being able to move the door
> frame in by an 1/8th of an inch on one side made a very tight door easy to
> close.
>
> I also found the door latches close much easier if lubricated with white
> grease. There is a lot of internal friction in the stock Van's setup - or
so
> I found.
>
> When fitting and adjusting the doors and gap, be sure to have all the door
> hardware installed - especially the door openers. I found these do affect
> the geometry and how easily the doors open / close.
>
> Cheers
>
> Les
> #40643
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler
> Sent: July-20-10 5:06 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Retaining Mcmaster carr door seal in place
>
>
> This what I did, which I've copied from several other builders that did
the
> same before me.
>
> When you trim the rain gutter, trim in square so the trim installs in the
> appropriate orientation. You will have to build up portions of the rain
> gutter to 1/4". The best method is to use thin strips of glass since there
> are places that you'll need to build up over 1/8". So folks have just used
> micro or flox, but I think using fiberglass strips will make it stronger.
> There are some places where you may also need to sand a flat area on the
> back side to get a good grip.
>
> Ivan Kristensen and Geoff Combs have good photos on their sites. Ivan also
> has a video showing the dimensions on his rain gutter after trimming. I've
> tried pulling off the seal on Geoff's RV-10. It's almost impossible to get
> off and it's not glued. He just built up the edge so the fit is very
tight.
>
> Les Kearney wrote a doc on how he did his door seals. I can forward a copy
> if anyone wants it. He also filled in the rear of the seal so it's smooth
> on the interior. Basically making a channel for the seal to sit in.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jchang10
> Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 5:32 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Retaining Mcmaster carr door seal in place
>
> --> <jc-matronics_rv10@jline.com>
>
> I finally decided to use the same mcmaster carr seal. in the process of
> trimming the door frame to make room for the seal, i was curious about
what
> others may have done to keep the door seal in place.
>
> you can see in the picture linked below, that it would be great to make
that
> barb useful. the barb is located on the interior, to minimize the amount
of
> distortion the seal makes on the door.
>
> however, now would be a good time to find a solution to use that barb. the
> possible options i can think of are:
>
> 1. create a channel or lip to catch the barb. the tricky part is that the
> edge tapers quite a bit on the end.
>
> 2. build up a channel or lip. thus, how to build it up nicely?
>
> 3. do nothing at all and glue it in.
>
> thus, i'm left pondering what approach the many others who have gone down
> this path have taken?
>
>
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_E3nI7J8M6Iw/TEYT7M07YnI/AAAAAAAAB80/85rOXQ2Amsk/s640/I
> MG_0010.JPG
>
> Jae
> 40533
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305641#305641
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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