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1. 11:11 AM - Rosen Sun Visors (DLM)
2. 11:56 AM - Re: Rosen Sun Visors (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
3. 12:37 PM - Re: Door gas struts (Roxanne and Mike Lefever)
4. 12:38 PM - Re: Rosen Sun Visors (Don McDonald)
5. 01:39 PM - Re: Rosen Sun Visors (Michael Kraus)
6. 02:56 PM - RV-10 HQ - OSH10 (Bob Leffler)
7. 03:53 PM - Re: Rosen Sun Visors (DLM)
8. 04:10 PM - Re: Rosen Sun Visors (Tim Olson)
9. 04:38 PM - Re: Rosen Sun Visors (AirMike)
10. 05:56 PM - Canopy Covers (Matt Dralle)
11. 10:18 PM - RV10- wow what a machine - keep on working you builders (AirMike)
12. 10:21 PM - Re: Canopy Covers (AirMike)
13. 11:05 PM - Official RV10-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
14. 11:09 PM - Official RV10-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Rosen Sun Visors |
Anybody install them? current OSH price?
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| Subject: | Re: Rosen Sun Visors |
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got it fixed today...........turns out I measured incorrectly and had to mo
ve the bracket on the door closer to the window.............now works great
. thank you for the help!
From: daveleikam@wi.rr.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Door gas struts
Do you have the bracket on the door reversed?
Dave Leikam
RV-10 N89DA
Muskego=2C WI
----- Original Message -----
From: Roxanne and Mike Lefever
Sent: Saturday=2C July 31=2C 2010 10:28 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Door gas struts
thanks...........will keep at it................the length of the stuts as
they came=2C exceeds the length between the brackets....per plans........ev
en with the door opened beyond vertical.........as usual sounds like there
is no magic other than to force it
From: daveleikam@wi.rr.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Door gas struts
Open the doors to make the distance between the brackets larger than the st
rut ends and close just enough to insert the bolts. They will compress lik
e magic after doing so.
Dave Leikam
RV-10 N89DA
Muskego=2C WI
----- Original Message -----
From: Roxanne and Mike Lefever
Sent: Saturday=2C July 31=2C 2010 9:47 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Door gas struts
Was excited to possibly finish the mechanical of the doors today (so hopefu
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rackets.......................I even put them on the vice..............I am
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| Subject: | Re: Rosen Sun Visors |
I bought a pair used at Copperstate... they were out of a P210, so I had to
modify the mounting brackets and the visors.- Well worth it... but we ge
nerally don't use them to look through, rather to shield the sun off variou
s parts of our bodies and eyes during flight.
Don McDonald
--- On Sun, 8/1/10, DLM <dlm34077@cox.net> wrote:
From: DLM <dlm34077@cox.net>
Subject: RV10-List: Rosen Sun Visors
Anybody install them? current OSH price?
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| Subject: | Re: Rosen Sun Visors |
Don't have them, but they were normally $450ish and on show special for $400
at OSH. They must be awfully proud of their sun visors.... Or like I told
my buddy, experimental sun visors at certified prices.....
-Mike
Do not archive
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On Aug 1, 2010, at 2:09 PM, "DLM" <dlm34077@cox.net> wrote:
> Anybody install them? current OSH price?
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| Subject: | RV-10 HQ - OSH10 |
I wanted to thank Bob, Gary, and Neal for setting up RV-10 HQ again this
year. While the weather wasn't the best at the beginning, it turned out to
be a great week. Especially getting to see all the fellow RV-10 builders
again. I also wanted to thank Brenda, Susan, and Ally (sp?) for hosting the
dinners.
I hope those that stayed through the weekend experienced a great night
airshow.
Counting down the days until next year...
bob
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| Subject: | Re: Rosen Sun Visors |
That's what I concluded. There is a sun visor out there called Polavisor
II which is available for about $30 each which blocks UV and dims direct
sunlight automatically like some glasses. I may make my own brackets and
use some of those or use the dark film that I already have for
sunscreens.
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From: Michael Kraus
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Rosen Sun Visors
Don't have them, but they were normally $450ish and on show special
for $400 at OSH. They must be awfully proud of their sun visors.... Or
like I told my buddy, experimental sun visors at certified prices.....
-Mike
Do not archive
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On Aug 1, 2010, at 2:09 PM, "DLM" <dlm34077@cox.net> wrote:
Anybody install them? current OSH price?
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| Subject: | Re: Rosen Sun Visors |
Alex at rvtraining.com still sells the "blue sky" type and had them
along at OSH too. They're less than 1/2 the price if I remember
right. Lighter, smaller, and easier to install, too.
Tim
On Aug 1, 2010, at 3:31 PM, Michael Kraus <n223rv@wolflakeairport.net>
wrote:
> Don't have them, but they were normally $450ish and on show special
> for $400 at OSH. They must be awfully proud of their sun
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> -Mike
> Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Rosen Sun Visors |
Rosen - I got them at OSH last year. Yes they are awfully proud of their visors,
but they are a quality product. I questioned the price too, but having had them
in my Cessna - I went ahead anyway. Besides, I do not want my kids to fly
business class after I die !
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OSH '10 or Bust
Q/B - finally done
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Dear Listers,
I'm in the market for a top-notch canopy cover for the RV-8. I'm wanting the highest
quality materials and workmanship on the product. I want it for overnight
trips where it might rain so it needs to completely cover the front baggage
door. When folded up, I don't want it to completely fill the limited rear baggage
area in the RV-8, either.
I Google RV-8 Canopy Cover as well as looked at Van's Online catalog, and there
seems to be plenty of "options", but I'm looking for some empirical data on quality,
fit, and stowage.
Thanks in advance for your feedback!
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: Enjoying The Fruits of 2500 Hours of Labor...
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| Subject: | RV10- wow what a machine - keep on working you builders |
Just got home from Oshkosh week and wow - what a great time. This is the first
year that I could get it there in the new RV10 so I took full advantage. I flew
out and back with our Truckee EAA Chapter President.
We took just about everything that added to our creature comforts this week including
- lawn chairs - tents (2) - lantern (w/fuel) - airplane cover -cooking
gear - computers - oil - extra shoes - you get the idea.
Made it there in one day 1450 miles - 8:34 air time - en route and 9.02 on the
hobbs. Wheels off at Truckee, CA 6:00AM PDT and landed OSH at 5:34 CDT. We had
up to 202 kts ground speed. 2- fuel stops both ways.
This was my first real cross country (more than a run to the Bay area and back)
- it is 2900 miles round trip
I spent a lot of time at the plane with other builders, wanna-be builders and owners
- a great experience. Lovely people from Texas, New York, Portugal, Spain,
Israel, LA, and Arizona. What can be better than going to the greatest airshow
on earth in your own home built plane.......
I had a great position next to the ramp and a lot of folks oggled and ahhhhhed
at the great paint job done by Kracon of Lincoln CA
I also flew out in 2005 in my 182 from Novato, CA. The differences are amazing........
Example (even subtracting for the differences flying back to Marin - about 1 hr
each way) Payload on both planes is similar:
Time Round trip (Truckee-OSH-Trk) C182 23:00 hrs
RV10 18:45 hrs
Fuel Burn (adjusted) C-182 272 gallons
RV10 209 gallons
Fuel use per hr hobbs C182 11.70 gph
RV10 10.6 gph
the RV10 is an awesome cross country machine with comfy seats - a reliable IO-540
from Mattituck and good panel stuff from Tru-Trak (Autopilot) and Advanced
Flight Systems (EFIS/EMS).
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OSH '10 or Bust
Q/B - finally done
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy Covers |
I got a Bruce's cover at OSH two years ago. This was it's first real acid test
at OSH this summer - performed great.....lots of rain. Real important is the super
soft inside that rides against the canopy and does not seem to scratch it.
They seem to have many custom permutations to fit your specific needs . I recommend.
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OSH '10 or Bust
Q/B - finally done
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http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx
Look for the link "Image Resizer"
3) !! This would seem to go without saying, but I'll say it anyway. Do not
post anything that would be considered offensive by your grandmother.
And you know what I'm saying; I don't want to see anything even
questionable. !!
4) REMEMBER THIS: If you post a 1MB enclosure to a List with 1000 members
subscribed, your 1MB enclosure must be resent 1000 times amounting
to 1MB X 1000 = 1 Gigabyte of network traffic!! BE CAREFUL and
BE COURTEOUS!
Also see the section below on the Matronics Photo and File Share where
you can have your files and photos posted on the Matronics web server
for long time viewing and availability.
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*** Digest Mode ***
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Each day, starting at 12 midnight PST US, a new 'digest' will be started.
This digest will contain the same information that is currently appended
to the archive file. It has all of the headers except for the "From:"
and "Subject:" lines removed, and includes a message separator consisting
of a line of underscores.
Each day at 23:55 PST US, the day's messages as described above will be
combined and sent as a single message to everyone on the digest email list.
To subscribe to the digest list, use the same subscription web form
described above, and just select the Digest version of the List.
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Note that you *can* be subscribed to both the realtime and digest versions
of the List at the same time. This is perfectly acceptable.
Now some caveats:
* Messages sent to "rv10-list-digest" will be forwarded to the standard
email list. In other words, you cannot post messages only to the
digest List.
* If you are subscribed to both the regular List and the digest List, you
will receive the realtime postings as well as the digest at the end of
the day.
* If you reply to the digest email, your message will be forwarded to the
normal list associated with the digest. Important Note: Please change
the subject line to reflect the topic of your response! Also, please
*do not include all or most of the digest in your reply*.
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*** List Digest Browser ***
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An archive of all the List Digests can be found online in either plain text
or HTML format. These archives contain the exact Digest that was posted to
the Digest email list on the given day. The Digest Archives can be found
at the following location:
http://www.matronics.com/digest
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*** The "DO NOT ARCHIVE" Message Flag ***
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small number of persons or to a limited area, and you may not wish to archive
it. In such a case, simply put the following phrase anywhere in the
message:
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email distribution as normal.
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Note that if your email address begins to cause problems such as bounced
email, mailbox is filled, or any other errors, your address will be promptly
removed from the List. If you discover that you are no longer receiving
messages from the RV10-List, go to the following Web page, and look
for your email address and a possible reason for your removal.
The Matronics Email List uses utility called the "Email Weasel" that
automatically looks though the day's bounced email for addresses that
caused problems due to common things like "user is unknown", "mailbox
full", etc. If the Email Weasel removes your email address from the
Lists you will find record of it at the following URL:
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If you have not done so already, please email me your phone numbers and
paper mail address in the following format:
smith@somehost.com
Joe Smith
123 Airport Lane
Tower, CA 91234-1234
098-765-1234 w
123-456-7890 h
Please forward this information to the following email address:
requests@matronics.com
I have a file of such things, that I typically use to contact you when
there are problems with your email address. The information will NOT
be used for any other commercial purpose.
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*** Realtime Web Email List Browsing ***
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Recent messages posted to the RV10-List are also made available on
the Web for realtime browsing. Seven days worth of back postings are
available with this feature. The messages can be sorted by Subject,
Author, Date, or Message Thread. The Realtime List Browser indexes are
updated twice per hour at xx:15 and xx:45. You can also reply to a message
or start a new message directly from the List Browser Interface (coming soon).
You do not have to be subscribed to the given list to use the List
Browser Interface in view-mode.
http://www.matronics.com/browselist/rv10-list
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*** Web Forums Bulletin Board Interface ***
*******************************************
A phpBB BBS web Forums front end is available for all RV10-List content.
content. The Forums contain all of the same content available via the email
distribution and found on the various archive viewing formats such as the
List Browse, etc. Any posts on the web Forums will be cross posted to the
respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to
the web Forums.
You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login.
If you wish to post a message via the Web Forum interface, however, you
will need to Register. This is a simple process that takes only a few
minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the
main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also
enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to
Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the
Email Distribution of the List, however.
The Matroincs Email List Web BBS Forums can be found at the following URL:
http://forums.matronics.com
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*** Matronics Email List Wiki ***
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In an attempt to make it easy to store and find structured and often accessed
information, Matronics has installed a Wiki at:
http://wiki.matronics.com
The Wiki allows individuals to create web pages to contain useful information
for other users of the mailing lists and web site. Unlike an ordinary web page
where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki
permits the users to construct their own pages and have them visible immediately.
While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be
comfortable building pages. In that case, simply prepare the text and any
images and email it to:
wiki-support@matronics.com
One of the volunteers on that list will take your submission and construct
a Wiki page for you.
Often someone produces a particularly useful posting in email one one of the
Lists that would be of general interest. In that case Matronics may take that
post and convert it into a Wiki page.
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*** List Archives ***
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A file containing of all of the previous postings to the RV10-List is
available on line. The archive file information is available via the
Web and FTP in a number of forms. Each are briefly described below:
* RV10-List.FAQ
- Latest version of the RV10-List Frequently Asked Question
page (this document).
* RV10-Archive.digest.complete
- Complete file with most of the email header info removed and
page breaks inserted between messages.
* RV10-Archive.digest.vol-??
- Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that
can more easily handled.
* RV10-Archive.digest.complete.zip
- Same as the RV10-Archive.digest.complete file above, but
in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
* RV10-Archive.digest.complete.Z
- Same as the RV10-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in
UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
Download Via FTP
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The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com
in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in
a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
Download Via Web
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The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found
toward the bottom of the following web page:
http://www.matronics.com/archives
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*** Complete List Web Archive Browsing ***
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All messages posted to the RV10-List are also available using the
Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages
in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed.
http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?RV10
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**** High-Speed Archive Search Engine ***
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You can use the custom, high-performance Matronics Email List Search Engine
to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the
List. The Engine allows the user to easily search any of the currently
available List archives.
http://www.matronics.com/search
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*** File and Photo Share ***
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With the Matronics Email List File and Photo Share you can share pictures
and other data with members of the List without having to forward a
copy of it to everyone. To share your Files and Photos, simply email
them to:
pictures@matronics.com
!! ==> Please including the following information with each submission:
1) Email Lists that they are related to.
2) Your Full Name.
3) Your Email Address.
4) One line Subject description.
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic.
6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file
Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned
for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and
photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to
process them every few days.
Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be
sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new
Share is available and what the direct URL to it is.
For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main
Index Page:
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
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*** List Archive CDROM ***
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A complete Matronics Email List Archive CD is available that contains
all of the archives since the beginning of each of the Lists. The archives
for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search
engine written by a list member. The CD is burned the day you order it
and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make
great gifts!
http://www.matronics.com/ArchiveCDROM
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I run a low-key, low-pressure "Fund Raiser" where, throughout the month,
I ask List members to make a Contribution in any amount with which they
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RV10-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the RV10-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the RV10-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
RV10-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the RV10-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
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- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
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responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
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about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
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- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
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can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
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- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
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- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
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Dear Listers,
Please read over the RV10-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
RV10-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/RV10-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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RV10-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the RV10-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the RV10-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
RV10-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the RV10-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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