---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 08/13/10: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:00 AM - Re: If Doing It Again, What Would You Do Differently? (Scott Schmidt) 2. 09:04 AM - Prop Governor revisited (Kelly McMullen) 3. 09:23 AM - Re: Prop Governor revisited (Condrey, Bob (US SSA)) 4. 09:44 AM - Re: If Doing It Again, What Would You Do Differently? (Pascal) 5. 12:52 PM - Door Lock (Lew Gallagher) 6. 12:57 PM - Re: Door Lock (Eric_Kallio) 7. 01:24 PM - Re: Door Lock (Pascal) 8. 01:37 PM - Re: Door Lock (Lew Gallagher) 9. 01:51 PM - Re: Re: Door Lock (Pascal) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:00:36 AM PST US From: Scott Schmidt Subject: Re: RV10-List: If Doing It Again, What Would You Do Differently? RE:Engine Choice It is sometimes difficult to know how many new builders join this site from time to time and things get repeated but when it comes to the engine we all want to make the best decision. Bart and Sue at Aerosport Power are fantastic. I know there are many builders here that have their engines. They are both honest, knowledgeable and very fun to work with. They stand behind their products and have great customer service. If you choose to use them you will not be disappointed. Scott Schmidt scottmschmidt@yahoo.com ________________________________ From: Pascal Sent: Thu, August 12, 2010 6:46:45 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: If Doing It Again, What Would You Do Differently? On the flip side for those who may be running away. A place to consider going to is America's Aircraft Engine in Oklahoma http://www.overhaul.com/index.html, They are great to work with, and quite honest along the way. I would do that again Pascal From: Bruce Johnson Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 3:37 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: If Doing It Again, What Would You Do Differently? I know it a little late on the things I would or wouldn't do but, I would definitely not use Performance engines again, they are less than honest. And if you happen to run into a guy named Wade Barnett, run away. Good luck to all ________________________________ From: "Fred Williams, M.D." Sent: Mon, August 9, 2010 4:01:29 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: If Doing It Again, What Would You Do Differently? --> RV10-List message posted by: "Fred Williams, M.D." My 2 cents 1. Not install the center console. It takes up some knee room on long flights. Harder to service the tunnel. 2. Move the inline gas filter to two smaller units under the seats. 3. go with LED wingtip lights from the out set. 4. simplify my panel. I have two AFS efis panels, one for the co pilot/one for me, Put it all into one in front of the pilot. I do like the unit. 5. Get the upgrades on the front axle from the beginning. I never had any problems with the stock one, but the matco upgrade is worth the upgrade. 6. simplify the audio panel. All the rear jacks/entertainment just isn't very useful. As long as you have XM weather and radio, not much else is needed. 7. fix the loose steps before I closed the lower pan. Still gotta go back and cut holes in the floor to stop the wiggle. 8. Read and follow the recent updates on the door construction and installation. It will save you time and money and frustration. The doors are doable, and you can get great results, if you go about it correctly. Dr Fred 7 takeoffs and landings this last Saturday. What a great machine. Dave Fritzsche (Building) wrote: > > > This question is primarily for those who have been flying for a while and have >gained significant use experience. I believe the response will be very helpful >to those of us who are in the building process and wrestling with decisions of >what to put into our aircraft in terms of electronics, engines, modifications >and also useful techniques used to complete the building process. I am not >asking for what is best (no primer wars here) but for what you believe you >learned from your experience. > > If you were starting to build an RV-10 given you current knowledge gained from >building and flying you RV-10, what would you do differently in completing the >probsp; -Matt Dralle, > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:04:16 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Prop Governor revisited From: Kelly McMullen In reviewing the archives, I note that several times it was pointed out that Vans supplies a governor setup for the narrow deck Lycoming engine configuration, when most folks are using are wide deck engines that should get different dash number set for that engine. Is it worth deleting the Vans unit from the FWF kit and obtaining the correct one elsewhere, or are folks satisfied with repositioning the arm and resetting the max rpm on what Vans provides? ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:23:44 AM PST US From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Prop Governor revisited As long as you have at least Rev F of the governor supplied by Vans you'll be fine. Revisions prior to that potentially have an issue with surging. I would imagine that anything you get delivered now will be latest revision. If others are reading this and they have an older Rev B or C prop governor, MT will update it to latest version without charge if you have issues. Bob RV-10 N442PM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 11:02 AM Subject: RV10-List: Prop Governor revisited In reviewing the archives, I note that several times it was pointed out that Vans supplies a governor setup for the narrow deck Lycoming engine configuration, when most folks are using are wide deck engines that should get different dash number set for that engine. Is it worth deleting the Vans unit from the FWF kit and obtaining the correct one elsewhere, or are folks satisfied with repositioning the arm and resetting the max rpm on what Vans provides? ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:44:18 AM PST US From: "Pascal" Subject: Re: RV10-List: If Doing It Again, What Would You Do Differently? My computer crashed a few months back and all my archived info I stored for years on the RV-10 was gone.. a good thing in a way actually.. but I bring this up because I have needed to resort to search the Matronics history for each item I am looking for, just as a new builder should do for information. There are numerous posts on good engine makers, Barrett is excellent for someone looking for a performance driven engine, Aerosport has kudos from VAF and others, if the dollar is right when you need an engine they are great, but if not one may need to look within the US (for us in the country) that is why it is great that Bruce gave his warning of who to avoid that will save many in the future from making that same mistake, I believe there is another builder who is now in Texas that had Performance engine build his so it would be good if someone has a different view on a builder to state it so in the future when one goes to search for this there will be numerous feedback on that item. For those that have not used the search capabilities of Matronics.. think about using it, it really is a great resource. In my case having the data on the -10 disappear forced me to look for current information versus 2-3 year old feedback so I encourage all of us to continue giving that feedback as 2-3 years ago there wasn't the items to skip in the finish kit as we all know now can be acquired elsewhere and the items in the aftermarket will continue to expand. I already have everything so it would not benefit me but it sure will for someone after me, which is what the forum is about. Pascal From: Scott Schmidt Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 7:59 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: If Doing It Again, What Would You Do Differently? RE:Engine Choice It is sometimes difficult to know how many new builders join this site from time to time and things get repeated but when it comes to the engine we all want to make the best decision. Bart and Sue at Aerosport Power are fantastic. I know there are many builders here that have their engines. They are both honest, knowledgeable and very fun to work with. They stand behind their products and have great customer service. If you choose to use them you will not be disappointed. Scott Schmidt scottmschmidt@yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- From: Pascal Sent: Thu, August 12, 2010 6:46:45 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: If Doing It Again, What Would You Do Differently? On the flip side for those who may be running away. A place to consider going to is America's Aircraft Engine in Oklahoma http://www.overhaul.com/index.html, They are great to work with, and quite honest along the way. I would do that again Pascal From: Bruce Johnson Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 3:37 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: If Doing It Again, What Would You Do Differently? I know it a little late on the things I would or wouldn't do but, I would definitely not use Performance engines again, they are less than honest. And if you happen to run into a guy named Wade Barnett, run away. Good luck to all ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- From: "Fred Williams, M.D." Sent: Mon, August 9, 2010 4:01:29 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: If Doing It Again, What Would You Do Differently? My 2 cents 1. Not install the center console. It takes up some knee room on long flights. Harder to service the tunnel. 2. Move the inline gas filter to two smaller units under the seats. 3. go with LED wingtip lights from the out set. 4. simplify my panel. I have two AFS efis panels, one for the co pilot/one for me, Put it all into one in front of the pilot. I do like the unit. 5. Get the upgrades on the front axle from the beginning. I never had any problems with the stock one, but the matco upgrade is worth the upgrade. 6. simplify the audio panel. All the rear jacks/entertainment just isn't very useful. As long as you have XM weather and radio, not much else is needed. 7. fix the loose steps before I closed the lower pan. Still gotta go back and cut holes in the floor to stop the wiggle. 8. Read and follow the recent updates on the door construction and installation. It will save you time and money and frustration. The doors are doable, and you can get great results, if you go about it correctly. Dr Fred 7 takeoffs and landings this last Saturday. What a great machine. Dave Fritzsche (Building) wrote: > > This question is primarily for those who have been flying for a while and have gained significant use experience. I believe the response will be very helpful to those of us who are in the building process and wrestling with decisions of what to put into our aircraft in terms of electronics, engines, modifications and also useful techniques used to complete the building process. I am not asking for what is best (no primer wars here) but for what you believe you learned from your experience. > > If you were starting to build an RV-10 given you current knowledge gained from building and flying you RV-10, what would you do differently in completing the probsp; -Matt Dralle, href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?RV10-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://foru ms.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:52:54 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Door Lock From: "Lew Gallagher" OK, here's another gizmo. I got tired of trying to track down another same keyed lock for the passenger door (I'm not sure why Van's only gives you a keyed ignition, baggage door, and one passenger door -- and everybody is playing dumb about finding another lock to match the key number) ... so here's a simple and cheap solution. It may have been done before but I just did this: The pictures are of a slice of angle iron with one leg trimmed to slide between the inner door handle (Van's stock handles) and the lock button, and the other leg is a little larger than the end of the handle so that it can be removed easily. All this does when inserted from inside the plane is to prevent the release button from being pushed from the outside (or the inside), effectively locking the passenger door. Then just lock the pilot door from the outside. Done. Debate whether you want to fly with it locked or not, with or without large or small passengers, Wes won't. Later, - Lew -------- non-pilot crazy about building NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549 Fly off completed ! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308703#308703 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/lock4_small_164.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/lock3_small_100.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/lock2_small_351.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/lock1_small_333.jpg ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:57:21 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Door Lock From: "Eric_Kallio" Very simple solution, but through Aircraft Spruce I ordered 3 lock sets keyed the same as my ignition. Were they not able to help you? Eric Kallio Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308704#308704 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:24:20 PM PST US From: "Pascal" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Door Lock "and everybody is playing dumb about finding another lock to match the key number) ... so here's a simple and cheap solution." Another easy solution I'll throw out there- (courtesy of William Curtis- check his website for pictures) go to your local lowes /depot and buy all the locks you want. In the back of each lock box is the key code, get the boxes with the same key code and .. gee look at that all the locks work with the same key ;-) I think your design is swift! I however just drilled a 1/16 hole in the lock button and put a clip in there, does the same basic thing, but your design is a lot more solid than my pin.. for sure.. now if I can remember where that pin went Pascal -------------------------------------------------- From: "Lew Gallagher" Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 12:51 PM Subject: RV10-List: Door Lock > > OK, here's another gizmo. > > I got tired of trying to track down another same keyed lock for the > passenger door (I'm not sure why Van's only gives you a keyed ignition, > baggage door, and one passenger door -- and everybody is playing dumb > about finding another lock to match the key number) ... so here's a simple > and cheap solution. > > It may have been done before but I just did this: The pictures are of a > slice of angle iron with one leg trimmed to slide between the inner door > handle (Van's stock handles) and the lock button, and the other leg is a > little larger than the end of the handle so that it can be removed easily. > All this does when inserted from inside the plane is to prevent the > release button from being pushed from the outside (or the inside), > effectively locking the passenger door. Then just lock the pilot door > from the outside. > > Done. Debate whether you want to fly with it locked or not, with or > without large or small passengers, Wes won't. > > Later, - Lew > > -------- > non-pilot > crazy about building > NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549 > Fly off completed ! > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308703#308703 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/lock4_small_164.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/lock3_small_100.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/lock2_small_351.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/lock1_small_333.jpg > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:37:13 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Door Lock From: "Lew Gallagher" Yes, I checked into the Lowe's /HD lock sets, but the keys won't match the ignition key. I left Wes to check with Van's about getting another lock to match the ignition -- he implied that their response was that it couldn't be done and nobody mentioned Spruce ... and I really didn't want to put another hole in a door anyway! Later, - Lew -------- non-pilot crazy about building NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549 Fly off completed ! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308712#308712 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:51:29 PM PST US From: "Pascal" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Door Lock your solution is better anyway! -------------------------------------------------- From: "Lew Gallagher" Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 1:36 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Door Lock > > Yes, I checked into the Lowe's /HD lock sets, but the keys won't match the > ignition key. I left Wes to check with Van's about getting another lock > to match the ignition -- he implied that their response was that it > couldn't be done and nobody mentioned Spruce ... and I really didn't want > to put another hole in a door anyway! > > Later, - Lew > > -------- > non-pilot > crazy about building > NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549 > Fly off completed ! > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308712#308712 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.