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1. 07:48 AM - Re: lessons learned installing plexiglas with Weld-on 10 (AirMike)
2. 08:12 AM - Re: TMXIO-540 and GAMI injectorsTMXIO-540 and GAMI injectorsTMXIO-540 and GAMI injectorsTMXIO-540 and GAMI injectorsTMXIO-540 and GAMI injectorsTMXIO-540 and GAMI injectors (Kevin O'Shea)
3. 08:51 AM - Re: TMXIO-540 and GAMI injectorsTMXIO-540 and GAMI injectorsTMXIO-540 and GAMI injectorsTMXIO-540 and GAMI injectorsTMXIO-540 and GAMI injectorsTMXIO-540 and GAMI injectors (amekler@metrocast.net)
4. 10:12 AM - Re: TMXIO-540 and GAMI injectorsTMXIO-540 and GAMI injectorsTMXIO-540 and GAMI injectorsTMXIO-540 and GAMI injectorsTMXIO-540 and GAMI injectorsTMXIO-540 and GAMI injectors (Tim Olson)
5. 10:39 AM - Re: TMXIO-540 and GAMI injectorsTMXIO-540 and GAMI injectorsTMXIO-540 and GAMI injectorsTMXIO-540 and GAMI injectorsTMXIO-540 and GAMI injectorsTMXIO-540 and GAMI injectors (amekler@metrocast.net)
6. 11:29 AM - Re: TMXIO-540 and GAMI injectors (Dick & Vicki Sipp)
7. 11:38 AM - Re: TMXIO-540 and GAMI injectors (John Cox)
8. 06:24 PM - Re: TMXIO-540 and GAMI injectorsTMXIO-540 and GAMI injectorsTMXIO-540 and GAMI injectorsTMXIO-540 and GAMI injectorsTMXIO-540 and GAMI injectorsTMXIO-540 and GAMI injectors (avu1@md.metrocast.net)
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This has been discussed many times before on this forum, just my $.02 - I am not
sure that there is any way to properly retain the windows in place without a
high probability of getting cracks if you use weld-on. The stuff sucks, but nobody
has come up with a substitute that will perform the same function of making
the windows structurally bond.
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Kevin,
No message came through. Tried the coke bottle test today without
injectors -cylinders 1, 2, 3, 4, and 6 equal. cylinder 5 less!
I guess next step will be to call Precesion(Mattituck)/
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Or very carefully disassemble the spider and find out where it's
plugged, or if it's the line for #5. The flow divider and
lines are now the only real possible area for the issue to
be....the servo just pumps fuel up to it, and it's up to
the divider to put out the equal volumes to the cylinders.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
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On 8/27/2010 10:44 AM, amekler@metrocast.net wrote:
> Kevin,
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> No message came through. Tried the coke bottle test today without
> injectors -cylinders 1, 2, 3, 4, and 6 equal. cylinder 5 less!
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> I guess next step will be to call Precesion(Mattituck)/
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Tim,
Checked the line. Nothing found. Waiting to hear back from
Mattituck.
Alan
On Fri 08/27/10 12:20 PM , Tim Olson wrote:
Or very carefully disassemble the spider and find out where it's
plugged, or if it's the line for #5. The flow divider and
lines are now the only real possible area for the issue to
be....the servo just pumps fuel up to it, and it's up to
the divider to put out the equal volumes to the cylinders.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
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On 8/27/2010 10:44 AM, wrote:
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> No message came through. Tried the coke bottle test today without
> injectors -cylinders 1, 2, 3, 4, and 6 equal. cylinder 5 less!
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> I guess next step will be to call Precesion(Mattituck)/
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| Subject: | Re: TMXIO-540 and GAMI injectors |
When we were going through the injector balancing process (Don Riverra
at Air Flow Performance) we were having trouble getting the cylinders
to peak within the desired fuel flow band. Don suggested changing all
of the injectors to the same but slightly smaller size and starting
over; we were then able to balance the cylinder peaks with .2 GPH with
the usual process of exchanging injector inserts. He said with some
engines and injector insert combinations the flow divider can be the
determining factor in flow rate rather than the injector insert. He
also had me check the fuel flow at full throttle to make sure there was
still an adequately rich mixture. I am sure Don can provide a better
explanation than what I have tried to explain that happened with our
engine.
Dick Sipp
RV-10 N110DV 300 hours
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| Subject: | TMXIO-540 and GAMI injectors |
Dave, you say you changed it. That is what I did with an Airflow
Performance divider. They were fast and it was piece of mind insurance.
the aircraft ran fine afterwards. Do you support, OBAM builders
opening up their flow dividers.
John Cox
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Sent: Thu 8/26/2010 9:32 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: TMXIO-540 and GAMI injectors
I've seen two flow divider failures in the last 5 years. One had a
little speck of hose liner (from a certified hose shop) jammed in the
stem. The engine would barely run.
The other was discovered looking for excessive roughness LOP. We
changed just about everything we could think of, and finally changed the
flow divider just to be thorough. That fixed the problem, but we never
did figure out why.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 6:42 PM, Alan Mekler <amekler@metrocast.net>
wrote:
Kelly,
My engine has had the AD done but we did find an interesting finding.
We did the bottle test with the injectors on and we saw less fuel coming
out #5 even though it had the richest injector. So now we know the
problem must be in the flow divider. Not sure what the next step will
be. Will try calling Precision tomorrow.
Alan
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly
McMullen
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 8:07 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: TMXIO-540 and GAMI injectors
It is actually an AD on the fuel injection servos to check the security
of the plug on the side. Some have been found loose and hanging by the
safety wire.
AD 2008-08-14
SUMMARY: This document publishes in the Federal Register an amendment
adopting emergency
airworthiness directive (AD) 2008-06-51 that was sent previously to all
known U.S. owners and
operators of Lycoming Engines IO, (L)IO, TIO, (L)TIO, AEIO, AIO, IGO,
IVO, and HIO series
reciprocating engines, TCM TSIO-360-RB reciprocating engines, and
Superior Air Parts, Inc. IO-360
series reciprocating engines with certain Precision Airmotive LLC RSA-5
and RSA-10 series fuel
injection servos. This AD results from eighteen reports of fuel
injection servo plugs, part number
(P/N) 383493, that had loosened or completely backed out of the
threaded plug hole on the regulator
cover of the fuel injection servo. These servo plugs were installed
with servo plug gasket, P/N
365533, under the plug hex-head. We are issuing this AD to prevent a
lean running engine, which
could result in a substantial loss of engine power and subsequent loss
of control of the airplane
(f) Inspect the fuel injection servo plug, P/N 383493, for looseness,
by attempting to turn it by
hand, while being careful not to damage the safety wire or seal. If the
plug moves, it is loose.
(g) If the plug is not loose, go to paragraph (i) of this AD.
(h) If the plug is loose, do the following:
(1) Carefully cut and remove the safety wire that spans between the
servo plug and regulator
cover only.
(2) Remove the servo plug while ensuring that the gasket, P/N 365533,
that is behind the plug, is
not lost. The gasket may be slightly stuck to the regulator cover.
(3) Examine the threads on the servo plug and regulator cover for
damage. Threads should be
smooth and consistent, with no burrs or chips. The servo plug outer
diameter threads should also
measure within 0.7419-0.7500-inch.
(4) If the threads on either the servo plug or the regulator cover are
damaged, or do not measure
within the limits in paragraph (h)(3) of this AD, the servo is not
eligible for any installation and must
be replaced before further flight.
(5) Inspect the gasket, P/N 365533, for tears and other damage. We are
allowing the re-use of
undamaged gaskets. Replace damaged gaskets with a new gasket, P/N
365533.
(6) When reassembling, do not install any servo plug or regulator cover
that is not eligible for
installation. Install the gasket onto the servo plug and reassemble the
servo plug to the regulator
cover.
(7) Torque the servo plug to a new, higher torque of 90-100 in-lbs, to
help maintain the proper
clamp-up force against the plug and cover.
(8) Safety wire the servo plug with 0.025-inch diameter wire to the
regulator cover. Information
on properly safety wiring the plug can be found in Precision Airmotive
LLC Mandatory Service
Bulletin No. PRS-107, Revision 1, dated March 6, 2008.
(9) Inspect all other safety wire on the servo. Replace any that are
damaged.
On 8/22/2010 4:32 PM, Alan Mekler wrote:
Patrick,
Which SB are you referring to?
Alan
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick
Thyssen
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 7:24 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: TMXIO-540 and GAMI injectors
That's why you need to know the probes are OK. They may be giving you a
wrong signal. The coke bottle test is, undo your injector lines from the
injectors, put the same size glass bottle under them and turn on your
boost pump, fill bottle about 3/4 and see if the same amount of fuel is
in all the glass bottles. Normally you do it with your injectors on but
since you have different injectors it won't work that way.
Just my way of checking.
Patrick Thyssen
Have you done the SB on the throttle body. The gasket and G on plug. I
just checked another RV10 and he had not done it and it was loose.
--- On Sun, 8/22/10, Alan Mekler <amekler@metrocast.net>
<mailto:amekler@metrocast.net> wrote:
From: Alan Mekler <amekler@metrocast.net> <mailto:amekler@metrocast.net>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: TMXIO-540 and GAMI injectors
Patrick,
Give me the details of the coke bottle test. I'm going to try switching
probes.
The odd thing is the engine runs smooth.
Alan
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick
Thyssen
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 5:53 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: TMXIO-540 and GAMI injectors
HAVE YOU DONE THE COKE BOTTLE TEST WITHOUT THE INJECTORS. SINCE EACH
INJECTOR WILL BE DIFFERENT NOW. HAVE YOU LOOKED AT YOUR PROBES? Maybe
swap a few probes and see what you get.
Patrick Thyssen
--- On Sun, 8/22/10, Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com>
<mailto:kellym@aviating.com> wrote:
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com> <mailto:kellym@aviating.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: TMXIO-540 and GAMI injectors
<mailto:kellym@aviating.com>
About the only thing left is your dry tappet clearances. Your engine
builder should be able to give you what those clearances are. Ideally
the clearances are in the middle of the allowable range and similar for
each
cylinder.................................................................
................
Alternatively you could measure the amount of movement of each rocker
arm. Intakes should be the same and exhausts the same. Has anyone looked
inside your sump/intake manifold to ensure there is no obstruction, nor
anything loose in there? Something is wrong if your #3&4 peak last with
the leanest nozzles and #5 peaks first with the richest nozzle.
Still not understanding how the engine could be running smoothly with
that wide a difference in mixtures between cylinders.
On 8/22/2010 7:40 AM, Alan Mekler wrote:
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> Kelly,
> I just looked at my injectors cylinder 3 and 4 have the leanest
> injectors(GAMI A) while cylinder 5 has the richest injector (Gami J
plus)
> Alan
>
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> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly
McMullen
> Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 8:13 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: TMXIO-540 and GAMI injectors
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> --> RV10-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen<kellym@aviating.com>
<mailto:kellym@aviating.com>
>
> Perhaps you are working on the wrong end of the problem. #3&4 are
> peaking last, so must be too rich. The rest of the cylinders are
peaking
> within 0.4gph of #5. You also will need to gather measurements every
0.2
> gph to better detect the peaks once you get those two cylinders closer
> to the rest.
>
> On 8/21/2010 3:59 PM, Alan Mekler wrote:
>> Patrick,
>>
>> Before switching to the GAMIs my cylinder #5 peaked at 2.5 gallons l
>> than my richest cylinder #3. After changing to GAMIs (my 3^rd set)
I'm
>> down to a 1 gallon spread. GAMI has given me the richest injector
they
>> make for cylinder # 5 but it still peaks early.
>>
>> Here is my latest flight data flying at 7000 MSL 22 inches/ 2400 rpm.
>>
>> Alan
>>
>> 13 12.5 12.1 11.7 11.3 11.0 10.5 10.3 Fuel flow gal/hr
>>
>> 1420 1438 1468 1474 1453 1438 1422 1403 cylinder #1
>>
>> 1381 1398 1428 1452 1447 1437 1412 1373 cylinder #2
>>
>> 1393 1409 1438 1456 1473 1468 1448 1414 cylinder #3
>>
>> 1400 1417 1449 1468 1477 1470 1450 1414 cylinder #4
>>
>> 1434 1467 1469 1443 1415 1411 1400 1435 cylinder # 5
>>
>> 1410 1430 1463 1474 1458 1441 1420 1397 cylinder #6
>>
>> other method
>>
>> cylinder #1 1472 peak @ 11.5
>>
>> cylinder #2 1451 peak@ 11.2
>>
>> cylinder #3 1472 peak @ 11.1
>>
>> cylinder#4 1477 peak @ 11.2
>>
>> cylinder #5 1473 peak @ 12.1
>>
>> cylinder #6 1474 peak @ 11.5
>>
>>
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>>
>> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Patrick
>> Thyssen
>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 21, 2010 5:22 PM
>> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
>> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: TMXIO-540 and GAMI injectors
>>
>> ? Have you done the coke bottle check? Has anyone messed with the
>> lines from the spider to injectors? Are we sure the lines are the
>> right ones? The other thing have you had any problems with your EGT
>> system. Could your EGT probes be bad?
>> Peaking or not peaking where they should?
>> Just a few thoughts
>> Patrick Thyssen
>>
>> --- On *Sat, 8/21/10, Alan Mekler /<amekler@metrocast.net>
<mailto:amekler@metrocast.net> /* wrote:
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>> From: Alan Mekler<amekler@metrocast.net>
<mailto:amekler@metrocast.net>
>> Subject: RV10-List: TMXIO-540 and GAMI injectors
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Date: Saturday, August 21, 2010, 11:04 AM
>>
>> I have been trying the GAMI injectors( on the 4^th set now) but found
>> the fuel flow on the cylinders varies widely. My cylinder #5 has the
>> richest injector and it still peaks a gallon or more before the other
>> cylinders Before gamis it was 2.5 gallons.. Has any one had this
>> problem? Any solutions?
>>
>> GAMI does not why the fuel is so unbalanced in this engine. I have 95
>> hours on the engine and all compressions are good. No intake leaks.
>>
>> Alan
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