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1. 08:05 AM - trim the post (Chris Hukill)
2. 08:11 AM - performance (DLM)
3. 08:57 AM - AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly detained, AOPA president outraged (Jae Chang)
4. 09:40 AM - Re: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly detained, AOPA p (Strasnuts)
5. 09:52 AM - Re: Re: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly detained, AOPA p (bruce breckenridge)
6. 10:03 AM - Re: Re: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly detained, AOPA p (Robin Marks)
7. 10:04 AM - Re: Re: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly detained, AOPA p (Robin Marks)
8. 10:41 AM - Re: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly detained, AOPA president outraged (Bill Mauledriver Watson)
9. 10:54 AM - Re: Re: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly detained, AOPA p (amekler@metrocast.net)
10. 01:25 PM - Taxi Light (Sean Stephens)
11. 01:44 PM - Re: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly detained, AOPA president outraged (darnpilot@aol.com)
12. 01:51 PM - Re: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly detained, AOPA president outraged (Linn Walters)
13. 02:06 PM - Re: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly detained, AOPA president outraged (darnpilot@aol.com)
14. 02:23 PM - Re: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly detained, AOPA president outraged (Linn Walters)
15. 02:42 PM - Re: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly detained, AOPA president outraged (DLM)
16. 02:46 PM - Re: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly detained, AOPA president outraged (Rene Felker)
17. 02:46 PM - Re: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly detained, AOPA president outraged (Pascal)
18. 04:42 PM - Duckworth HID lights (Rick Lark)
19. 04:51 PM - Re: Duckworth HID lights (Seano)
20. 04:55 PM - Re: Post Replies (woxofswa)
21. 05:07 PM - Re: Duckworth HID lights (Tim Olson)
22. 05:25 PM - Re: Re: Post Replies (Linn Walters)
23. 05:25 PM - Re: Duckworth HID lights (Robin Marks)
24. 05:28 PM - Re: Duckworth HID lights (Sean Stephens)
25. 07:30 PM - Re: Duckworth HID lights (Matt Dralle)
26. 09:33 PM - Re: Duckworth HID lights (DLM)
27. 11:06 PM - Official RV10-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
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Since I feel some responsibility for starting this "war", let me
reiterate what my original request was. Please just trim the message of
the original posts so we don't have to skim through the entire history
of the thread with each subsequent post. Simple really, doesn't matter
where, or if, you include whatever snippet of the pertinent point that
you want to comment on. Just take the time to trim and everyone will
benefit, irregardless of their favored protocol or level of education.
Thanks in advance!
Chris Hukill
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Anyone have takeoff/climb performance at 6000-7000 DA? I may use TRK or
CXP; TRK has temporary construction which has shortened the main runway.
Weight would be about 2400. I may make the departure IMC and fly the
departure procedure. One reference is a PRC departure @80F and a ground
roll as measured by the tower was 2500 ft; weight was 2700-2800. Another
is a 12 second takeoff roll at ZUN with outside air @ 60F. Has anyone
developed a performance table or the 10 at various weights/pressure
altitudes/temperatures?
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| Subject: | AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly detained, AOPA |
president outraged
http://www.aopa.org/aircraft/articles/2010/100830kings.html
Has anyone seen this yet? wow!
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| Subject: | Re: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly detained, AOPA |
p
I saw it too. I always knew they were up to something. She always looked suspicious
or something like that.
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RV-10 SB Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly detained, |
AOPA p
I read it the other day - what a mess!! Then, I read yesterday that the
AOPA Summit in November has them speaking on the following:
The Kings on Avoiding Unwanted
Adventure<http://www.aopa.org/summit/schedule/descriptions.cfm#The
Kings on Avoiding
Unwanted Adventure>
What a coincidence!
Bruce Breckenridge
Wings & Stuff.
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 9:40 AM, Strasnuts <sean@braunandco.com> wrote:
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> I saw it too. I always knew they were up to something. She always looked
> suspicious or something like that.
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> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly detained, |
AOPA p
Expect a new instructional video from the Kings next week:
Learn to Steal a Plane in 15 Minutes or Less. VHS or DVD $59.95
[image: Computer Based Ground School]
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Strasnuts
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 9:40 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly
detained, AOPA p
I saw it too. I always knew they were up to something. She always looked
suspicious or something like that.
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RV-10 SB Fuselage
N801VR reserved
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| Subject: | Re: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly detained, |
AOPA p
Expect a new instructional video from the Kings next week:
Learn to Steal a Plane in 15 Minutes or Less. VHS or DVD $59.95
[image: Computer Based Ground School]
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Strasnuts
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 9:40 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly
detained, AOPA p
I saw it too. I always knew they were up to something. She always looked
suspicious or something like that.
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Cust. #40936
RV-10 SB Fuselage
N801VR reserved
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310963#310963
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| Subject: | Re: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly detained, |
AOPA president outraged
That how it must feel to get profiled... you know, didn't do anything
but spread eagled and frisked with guns drawn.
Maybe a bit over-pissed.
On 9/1/2010 11:55 AM, Jae Chang wrote:
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> http://www.aopa.org/aircraft/articles/2010/100830kings.html
>
> Has anyone seen this yet? wow!
>
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| Subject: | Re: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly detained, |
AOPA p
On Wed 09/01/10 1:02 PM , Robin Marks wrote:
Expect a new instructional video from the Kings next week:
Learn to Steal a Plane in 15 Minutes or Less. VHS or DVD $59.95 With
introduction by Colton Harris-Moore. [1]
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From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of Strasnuts
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 9:40 AM
To:
Subject: RV10-List: Re: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly
detained, AOPA p
I saw it too. I always knew they were up to something. She always
looked suspicious or something like that.
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RV-10 SB Fuselage
N801VR reserved
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Has anyone put a taxi light in their cowl, or are most just aiming one
of two landing lights for taxi?
Sean #40303 fuse side skins
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| Subject: | Re: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly detained, |
AOPA president outraged
Its not so funny when it happens to a wealthy white couple, and makes us
think about this ever evolving police state. Yet, we think nothing of it
when it happens daily to Blacks and Latinos.
Jeff
Jacksonville, FL
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From: Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
Sent: Wed, Sep 1, 2010 1:39 pm
Subject: Re: RV10-List: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly detain
ed, AOPA president outraged
r.com>
That how it must feel to get profiled... you know, didn't do anything but
spread eagled and frisked with guns drawn.
Maybe a bit over-pissed.
On 9/1/2010 11:55 AM, Jae Chang wrote:
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> http://www.aopa.org/aircraft/articles/2010/100830kings.html
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| Subject: | Re: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly detained, |
AOPA president outraged
Jeff, I don't know you, but that post implies that you need some help
with the racism. Nothing was said about wealthy, and nothing was said
about it being a racist bust. That's all in your head. Now, if you
have a problem with 'famous aviators', then I agree, and we're all in
the same boat. Can't say I disagree about the police state though.
Linn
south of Jacksonville .....
do not archive.
On 9/1/2010 4:40 PM, darnpilot@aol.com wrote:
> Its not so funny when it happens to a wealthy white couple, and makes
> us think about this ever evolving police state. Yet, we think nothing
> of it when it happens daily to Blacks and Latinos.
>
> Jeff
> Jacksonville, FL
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> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wed, Sep 1, 2010 1:39 pm
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly
> detained, AOPA president outraged
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> <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com <mailto:MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>>
>
> That how it must feel to get profiled... you know, didn't do anything
> but spread eagled and frisked with guns drawn.
>
> Maybe a bit over-pissed.
>
> On 9/1/2010 11:55 AM, Jae Chang wrote:
> <jc-matronics_rv10@jline.com <mailto:jc-matronics_rv10@jline.com>>
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| Subject: | Re: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly detained, |
AOPA president outraged
Linn,
The point was we are [rightly] upset and intolerant of overly aggressive
police tactics the rare times when it happens to people like us. We seem
ingly turn a blind eye when it happens daily to people not like us, i.e.,
Blacks and Latinos (and, increasingly, Muslim-looking people).
Jeff
Jacksonville, FL
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From: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Wed, Sep 1, 2010 4:50 pm
Subject: Re: RV10-List: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly detain
ed, AOPA president outraged
Jeff, I don't know you, but that post implies that you need some help with
the racism. Nothing was said about wealthy, and nothing was said about
it being a racist bust. That's all in your head. Now, if you have a pro
blem with 'famous aviators', then I agree, and we're all in the same boat.
Can't say I disagree about the police state though.
Linn
south of Jacksonville .....
do not archive.
On 9/1/2010 4:40 PM, darnpilot@aol.com wrote:
Its not so funny when it happens to a wealthy white couple, and makes us
think about this ever evolving police state. Yet, we think nothing of it
when it happens daily to Blacks and Latinos.
Jeff
Jacksonville, FL
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-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
Sent: Wed, Sep 1, 2010 1:39 pm
Subject: Re: RV10-List: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly detain
ed, AOPA president outraged
r.com>
That how it must feel to get profiled... you know, didn't do anything but
spread eagled and frisked with guns drawn.
Maybe a bit over-pissed.
On 9/1/2010 11:55 AM, Jae Chang wrote:
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> http://www.aopa.org/aircraft/articles/2010/100830kings.html
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> Has anyone seen this yet? wow!
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| Subject: | Re: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly detained, |
AOPA president outraged
On 9/1/2010 5:05 PM, darnpilot@aol.com wrote:
> Linn,
> The point was we are [rightly] upset and intolerant of overly
> aggressive police tactics the rare times when it happens to people
> like us. We seemingly turn a blind eye when it happens daily to
> people not like us, i.e., Blacks and Latinos (and, increasingly,
> Muslim-looking people).
And that's my point ..... they're all like us. We're the little
people. Race, color, ethnic origin ..... it really makes no
difference. We, individually, don't stand a chance of fighting the
tactics that the Kings encountered. However, WE (the collective WE), as
the electorate, do stand a chance by fighting with our vote. But we're
all in this together. I'm afraid for my country right now, and for my
kids and grandkids in the future.
Food for thought: Stereotypes aren't invented. Nobody sits up nights
thinking of a stereotype. They stem from observations.
Linn ..... last comment on the subject
>
> Jeff
> Jacksonville, FL
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wed, Sep 1, 2010 4:50 pm
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly
> detained, AOPA president outraged
>
> Jeff, I don't know you, but that post implies that you need some help
> with the racism. Nothing was said about wealthy, and nothing was said
> about it being a racist bust. That's all in your head. Now, if you
> have a problem with 'famous aviators', then I agree, and we're all in
> the same boat. Can't say I disagree about the police state though.
> Linn
> south of Jacksonville .....
> do not archive.
>
> On 9/1/2010 4:40 PM, darnpilot@aol.com wrote:
>> Its not so funny when it happens to a wealthy white couple, and makes
>> us think about this ever evolving police state. Yet, we think
>> nothing of it when it happens daily to Blacks and Latinos.
>>
>> Jeff
>> Jacksonville, FL
>> *__i__*
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Wed, Sep 1, 2010 1:39 pm
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly
>> detained, AOPA president outraged
>>
>> <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com <mailto:MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>>
>>
>> That how it must feel to get profiled... you know, didn't do
>> anything but spread eagled and frisked with guns drawn.
>>
>> Maybe a bit over-pissed.
>>
>> On 9/1/2010 11:55 AM, Jae Chang wrote:
>> <jc-matronics_rv10@jline.com <mailto:jc-matronics_rv10@jline.com>>
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>> > http://www.aopa.org/aircraft/articles/2010/100830kings.html
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| Subject: | Re: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly detained, |
AOPA president outraged
As the country song says "This ain't nothing" . In 1977 my Cessna 1976
177rg was on leaseback to an FBO in Tulsa. some characters arrived and
said he needed a 135 ride to OKC. No charter pilots were available. A
local pilot in the FBO stated that he was checked out in the airplane
and would fly it to OKC for them. Several hours later the rental pilot
called in from Dallas LOVE to say that the passengers had other business
in Texas. By that time the FBO advised the pilot that if he had the
airplane key in his pocket he had better run as he did not know for what
those characters were wanted. After he hung up he was placed prone on
the ramp with the others by the FBI. The "passengers" were Fort
Leavenworth escapees trying to go to Mexico.
Remember the bureaucracy and the "punishment of the innocents". The
government rarely has the paperwork correct. But in my case the did.
Aircraft was returned to RVS; my current craft has the "poor man's
lojack" installed.
Whatever your color, if the paperwork is wrong, you will be stopped. As
for our TSA, profiling would make a lot more sense than the "electronic
strip" searches being forced on random airline passengers.
Former airline and oil company employee
retired and haven't been on an airline flight but once in 15 years
----- Original Message -----
From: darnpilot@aol.com
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly
detained, AOPA president outraged
Its not so funny when it happens to a wealthy white couple, and makes
us think about this ever evolving police state. Yet, we think nothing
of it when it happens daily to Blacks and Latinos.
Jeff
Jacksonville, FL
__i__
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-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wed, Sep 1, 2010 1:39 pm
Subject: Re: RV10-List: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly
detained, AOPA president outraged
<MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
That how it must feel to get profiled... you know, didn't do anything
but spread eagled and frisked with guns drawn.
Maybe a bit over-pissed.
On 9/1/2010 11:55 AM, Jae Chang wrote:
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| Subject: | AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly detained, |
AOPA president outraged
Just to get my 2 cents in. It does not bother me a bit about this happening
to the Kings. The police thought it was a crime in progress and they took
action. I would rather that, then they not take it serious and end up dead
on the ramp when somebody is really stealing something...
I have been jacked up before (in the Air Force) and although I did not like
it, I thanked the cops when it was all over. The things that go through
your mind when you see the 18 year with an M-16 pointed at you.
Now, back to the airplane...going to try and balance the prop tonight..
Rene' Felker
N423CF
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Linn Walters
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 3:23 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly
detained, AOPA president outraged
On 9/1/2010 5:05 PM, darnpilot@aol.com wrote:
Linn,
The point was we are [rightly] upset and intolerant of overly aggressive
police tactics the rare times when it happens to people like us. We
seemingly turn a blind eye when it happens daily to people not like us,
i.e., Blacks and Latinos (and, increasingly, Muslim-looking people).
And that's my point ..... they're all like us. We're the little people.
Race, color, ethnic origin ..... it really makes no difference. We,
individually, don't stand a chance of fighting the tactics that the Kings
encountered. However, WE (the collective WE), as the electorate, do stand a
chance by fighting with our vote. But we're all in this together. I'm
afraid for my country right now, and for my kids and grandkids in the
future.
Food for thought: Stereotypes aren't invented. Nobody sits up nights
thinking of a stereotype. They stem from observations.
Linn ..... last comment on the subject
Jeff
Jacksonville, FL
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-----Original Message-----
From: Linn Walters <mailto:pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
<pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Wed, Sep 1, 2010 4:50 pm
Subject: Re: RV10-List: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly
detained, AOPA president outraged
Jeff, I don't know you, but that post implies that you need some help with
the racism. Nothing was said about wealthy, and nothing was said about it
being a racist bust. That's all in your head. Now, if you have a problem
with 'famous aviators', then I agree, and we're all in the same boat. Can't
say I disagree about the police state though.
Linn
south of Jacksonville .....
do not archive.
On 9/1/2010 4:40 PM, darnpilot@aol.com wrote:
Its not so funny when it happens to a wealthy white couple, and makes us
think about this ever evolving police state. Yet, we think nothing of it
when it happens daily to Blacks and Latinos.
Jeff
Jacksonville, FL
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-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Mauledriver Watson <mailto:MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
<MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
Sent: Wed, Sep 1, 2010 1:39 pm
Subject: Re: RV10-List: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly
detained, AOPA president outraged
<MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
That how it must feel to get profiled... you know, didn't do anything but
spread eagled and frisked with guns drawn.
Maybe a bit over-pissed.
On 9/1/2010 11:55 AM, Jae Chang wrote:
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> http://www.aopa.org/aircraft/articles/2010/100830kings.html
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> Has anyone seen this yet? wow!
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AOPA president outraged
Being I grew up knowing all this first hand I will freely say THIS IS
NOT THE FORUM FOR THIS TOPIC
Drop it please!
From: Linn Walters
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 2:23 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly
detained, AOPA president outraged
On 9/1/2010 5:05 PM, darnpilot@aol.com wrote:
Linn,
The point was we are [rightly] upset and intolerant of overly
aggressive police tactics the rare times when it happens to people like
us. We seemingly turn a blind eye when it happens daily to people not
like us, i.e., Blacks and Latinos (and, increasingly, Muslim-looking
people).
And that's my point ..... they're all like us. We're the little people.
Race, color, ethnic origin ..... it really makes no difference. We,
individually, don't stand a chance of fighting the tactics that the
Kings encountered. However, WE (the collective WE), as the electorate,
do stand a chance by fighting with our vote. But we're all in this
together. I'm afraid for my country right now, and for my kids and
grandkids in the future.
Food for thought: Stereotypes aren't invented. Nobody sits up nights
thinking of a stereotype. They stem from observations.
Linn ..... last comment on the subject
Jeff
Jacksonville, FL
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-----Original Message-----
From: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wed, Sep 1, 2010 4:50 pm
Subject: Re: RV10-List: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly
detained, AOPA president outraged
Jeff, I don't know you, but that post implies that you need some help
with the racism. Nothing was said about wealthy, and nothing was said
about it being a racist bust. That's all in your head. Now, if you
have a problem with 'famous aviators', then I agree, and we're all in
the same boat. Can't say I disagree about the police state though.
Linn
south of Jacksonville .....
do not archive.
On 9/1/2010 4:40 PM, darnpilot@aol.com wrote:
Its not so funny when it happens to a wealthy white couple, and
makes us think about this ever evolving police state. Yet, we think
nothing of it when it happens daily to Blacks and Latinos.
Jeff
Jacksonville, FL
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-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wed, Sep 1, 2010 1:39 pm
Subject: Re: RV10-List: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly
detained, AOPA president outraged
<MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
That how it must feel to get profiled... you know, didn't do
anything but spread eagled and frisked with guns drawn.
Maybe a bit over-pissed.
On 9/1/2010 11:55 AM, Jae Chang wrote:
<jc-matronics_rv10@jline.com>
>
> http://www.aopa.org/aircraft/articles/2010/100830kings.html
>
> Has anyone seen this yet? wow!
>
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| Subject: | Duckworth HID lights |
Hi all
-
I'm just about to order a 35Watt, DS1 HID light- kit from Duckworth's.-
The less expensive 50 Watt system is tempting as it's supposedly 5X more b
right than a halogen.- The 35W is 4X more bright (as I've been told by th
e Duckworth people).
-
What does the group think?-- I'm still flying behind a '76 Cardinal wit
h 75 W incandescend so I know the HID's will be a huge improvement.- I pl
an to mount it in the leading edge, and don't plan to put any antennas in t
he wing tips, led strobes and nav lights are also planned.- Is the higher
noise issue of the less costly system of any concern???
-
Opinions all welcomed.- Thx...
-
Rick
#40956
Southampton, Ont=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Duckworth HID lights |
I bought the 35w DS1 phillips for the reduced noise....I haven't
installed it yet so I went off this:
What TYPE of HID Lamp is used?
There are various types of HID lamps. The D1S and D2S are 2 of the most
common, with the D1S being the preferred lamp. The reason is that D1S
lamps have the 'igniter' in the lamp base, whereas D2S have the
'igniter' in the ballast. That means that the D2S lamps have a high
voltage wire (upwards of 20kV possible!) from the ballast to the lamp
that can cause much more 'noise' and shock hazard, while the D1S has the
high voltage step right at the lamp. D1S lamps for the HIDs in your
plane are preferred to minimize radio interference and high voltage on
cables.
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Lark
To: RV10-list
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 5:40 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Duckworth HID lights
Hi all
I'm just about to order a 35Watt, DS1 HID light kit from
Duckworth's. The less expensive 50 Watt system is tempting as it's
supposedly 5X more bright than a halogen. The 35W is 4X more bright (as
I've been told by the Duckworth people).
What does the group think? I'm still flying behind a '76
Cardinal with 75 W incandescend so I know the HID's will be a huge
improvement. I plan to mount it in the leading edge, and don't plan to
put any antennas in the wing tips, led strobes and nav lights are also
planned. Is the higher noise issue of the less costly system of any
concern???
Opinions all welcomed. Thx...
Rick
#40956
Southampton, Ont
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I don't know the mechanics but I just checked on the forum and had 10 threads involving
the King Schools without any idea of which was the lead one and how the
traffic followed.
If that example is what is meant by starting a new thread rather than replying
to the original one, then my vote would be "no thanks". To me it makes much more
sense to have one cascading thread per topic.
--------
Myron Nelson
Mesa, AZ
Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse in progress
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=311008#311008
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| Subject: | Re: Duckworth HID lights |
I'd stick with the lower noise. As a side benefit, you run less wattage at 3
5W so your current draw won't be quite as much. They are PLENTY bright. Tim
On Sep 1, 2010, at 6:40 PM, Rick Lark <larkrv10@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> Hi all
>
> I'm just about to order a 35Watt, DS1 HID light kit from Duckworth's. Th
e less expensive 50 Watt system is tempting as it's supposedly 5X more brigh
t than a halogen. The 35W is 4X more bright (as I've been told by the Duckw
orth people).
>
> What does the group think? I'm still flying behind a '76 Cardinal with 7
5 W incandescend so I know the HID's will be a huge improvement. I plan to m
ount it in the leading edge, and don't plan to put any antennas in the wing t
ips, led strobes and nav lights are also planned. Is the higher noise issue
of the less costly system of any concern???
>
> Opinions all welcomed. Thx...
>
> Rick
> #40956
> Southampton, Ont
>
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I don't use the forum , but looked, and the original post is the last
one in the list of subject lines like: AOPA Online: King Schools owners
mistakenly detained, AOPA p
Newest posts are at the top of the list.
I also noticed that there were changes made in the subject line .....
which may account for the lack of 'thread'.
Linn
do not archive
On 9/1/2010 7:55 PM, woxofswa wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "woxofswa"<woxof@aol.com>
>
> I don't know the mechanics but I just checked on the forum and had 10 threads
involving the King Schools without any idea of which was the lead one and how
the traffic followed.
>
> If that example is what is meant by starting a new thread rather than replying
to the original one, then my vote would be "no thanks". To me it makes much
more sense to have one cascading thread per topic.
>
> --------
> Myron Nelson
> Mesa, AZ
> Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse in progress
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=311008#311008
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| Subject: | Duckworth HID lights |
Rick, I purchased the 35 Watt units from DW (only 35 Watt offered at the
time) and have received MANY compliments for brightness and ability to
recognize from great distances especially with Wig/Wag.
On my =93budget=94 8A I purchased two 50 Watt auto HID=92s on eBay for ~$70
/set.
They include wiring, ballast and bare bulb. We placed them in standard
rectangular auto bulb just like the Duckworks Lightweight Rectangular light
kits for $12.00 each. All in I have dual 50 Watt HID=92s for under $110. No
t a
great savings when considering one has to buy the Leading Edge install kit
too but I think I paid more for my original HID=92s than DW now gets for th
em.
You will appreciate the power of HID=92s.
Robin
*From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Rick Lark
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 01, 2010 4:41 PM
*To:* RV10-list
*Subject:* RV10-List: Duckworth HID lights
Hi all
I'm just about to order a 35Watt, DS1 HID light kit from Duckworth's. The
less expensive 50 Watt system is tempting as it's supposedly 5X more bright
than a halogen. The 35W is 4X more bright (as I've been told by the
Duckworth people).
What does the group think? I'm still flying behind a '76 Cardinal with 75
W incandescend so I know the HID's will be a huge improvement. I plan to
mount it in the leading edge, and don't plan to put any antennas in the win
g
tips, led strobes and nav lights are also planned. Is the higher noise
issue of the less costly system of any concern???
Opinions all welcomed. Thx...
Rick
#40956
Southampton, Ont
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| Subject: | Re: Duckworth HID lights |
I went 35W also. Was told they will be plenty bright. Not flying yet,
so no data points.
-Sean #40303
On 9/1/10 6:50 PM, Seano wrote:
> I bought the 35w DS1 phillips for the reduced noise....I haven't
> installed it yet so I went off this:
>
> *What TYPE of HID Lamp is used?*
> There are various types of HID lamps. The D1S and D2S are 2 of the
> most common, with the D1S being the preferred lamp. The reason is that
> D1S lamps have the igniter in the lamp base, whereas D2S have the
> igniter in the ballast. That means that the D2S lamps have a high
> voltage wire (upwards of 20kV possible!) from the ballast to the lamp
> that can cause much more noise and shock hazard, while the D1S has
> the high voltage step right at the lamp. D1S lamps for the HIDs in
> your plane are preferred to minimize radio interference and high
> voltage on cables.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Rick Lark <mailto:larkrv10@yahoo.ca>
> *To:* RV10-list <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 01, 2010 5:40 PM
> *Subject:* RV10-List: Duckworth HID lights
>
> Hi all
> I'm just about to order a 35Watt, DS1 HID light kit from
> Duckworth's. The less expensive 50 Watt system is tempting as it's
> supposedly 5X more bright than a halogen. The 35W is 4X more
> bright (as I've been told by the Duckworth people).
> What does the group think? I'm still flying behind a '76 Cardinal
> with 75 W incandescend so I know the HID's will be a huge
> improvement. I plan to mount it in the leading edge, and don't
> plan to put any antennas in the wing tips, led strobes and nav
> lights are also planned. Is the higher noise issue of the less
> costly system of any concern???
> Opinions all welcomed. Thx...
> Rick
> #40956
> Southampton, Ont
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| Subject: | Re: Duckworth HID lights |
I've got a 50w DW HID kit in each wing of the RV-8. Just right. I wouldn't want
any less.
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Matt Dralle
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At 05:27 PM 9/1/2010 Wednesday, you wrote:
>
> I went 35W also. Was told they will be plenty bright. Not flying yet, so no data
points.
>
>-Sean #40303
>
>On 9/1/10 6:50 PM, Seano wrote:
>>I bought the 35w DS1 phillips for the reduced noise....I haven't installed it
yet so I went off this:
>>
>>*What TYPE of HID Lamp is used?*
>>There are various types of HID lamps. The D1S and D2S are 2 of the most common,
with the D1S being the preferred lamp. The reason is that D1S lamps have the
igniter in the lamp base, whereas D2S have the igniter in the ballast. That
means that the D2S lamps have a high voltage wire (upwards of 20kV possible!)
from the ballast to the lamp that can cause much more noise and shock hazard,
while the D1S has the high voltage step right at the lamp. D1S lamps for the HIDs
in your plane are preferred to minimize radio interference and high voltage
on cables.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Rick Lark <mailto:larkrv10@yahoo.ca>
>> *To:* RV10-list <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 01, 2010 5:40 PM
>> *Subject:* RV10-List: Duckworth HID lights
>>
>> Hi all
>> I'm just about to order a 35Watt, DS1 HID light kit from
>> Duckworth's. The less expensive 50 Watt system is tempting as it's
>> supposedly 5X more bright than a halogen. The 35W is 4X more
>> bright (as I've been told by the Duckworth people).
>> What does the group think? I'm still flying behind a '76 Cardinal
>> with 75 W incandescend so I know the HID's will be a huge
>> improvement. I plan to mount it in the leading edge, and don't
>> plan to put any antennas in the wing tips, led strobes and nav
>> lights are also planned. Is the higher noise issue of the less
>> costly system of any concern???
>> Opinions all welcomed. Thx...
>> Rick
>> #40956
>> Southampton, On
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| Subject: | Re: Duckworth HID lights |
I installed HID from www.planelights.com
http://www.planelights.com/index.php?id=661 is my aircraft.
----- Original Message -----
From: Robin Marks
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 5:22 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Duckworth HID lights
Rick, I purchased the 35 Watt units from DW (only 35 Watt offered at
the time) and have received MANY compliments for brightness and ability
to recognize from great distances especially with Wig/Wag.
On my =93budget=94 8A I purchased two 50 Watt auto HID=92s on eBay for
~$70/set. They include wiring, ballast and bare bulb. We placed them in
standard rectangular auto bulb just like the Duckworks Lightweight
Rectangular light kits for $12.00 each. All in I have dual 50 Watt
HID=92s for under $110. Not a great savings when considering one has to
buy the Leading Edge install kit too but I think I paid more for my
original HID=92s than DW now gets for them. You will appreciate the
power of HID=92s.
Robin
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Lark
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 4:41 PM
To: RV10-list
Subject: RV10-List: Duckworth HID lights
Hi all
I'm just about to order a 35Watt, DS1 HID light kit from
Duckworth's. The less expensive 50 Watt system is tempting as it's
supposedly 5X more bright than a halogen. The 35W is 4X more bright (as
I've been told by the Duckworth people).
What does the group think? I'm still flying behind a '76
Cardinal with 75 W incandescend so I know the HID's will be a huge
improvement. I plan to mount it in the leading edge, and don't plan to
put any antennas in the wing tips, led strobes and nav lights are also
planned. Is the higher noise issue of the less costly system of any
concern???
Opinions all welcomed. Thx...
Rick
#40956
Southampton, Ont
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2) Enclosures will NOT be included in the Daily Digest version of the Lists.
3) Enclosures WILL BE forwarded on to the BBS Forum Web site.
4) Enclosures will NOT be appended to the Archives.
5) Enclosures will NOT be available in the List Browse feature.
6) Only the following file types and extensions will be allowed:
bmp doc dwg dxf gif jpg pdf png txt xls
All other enclosures types will be rejected and email returned to
sender. The enclosure types listed above are relatively safe from
a virus standpoint and don't pose a particularly large security risk.
7) !! All incoming enclosures will be scanned for viruses prior to posting
to the List. This is done in real time and will not slow down
the process of posting the message !!
Here are some rules for posting enclosures. Failure to abide by these rules
could result in the removal of a subscriber's email address from the Lists.
1) Pay attention to what you are posting!! Make sure that the files
you are enclosing aren't HUGE (greater that 1MB). Remember that there
are still people checking they're email via dial up modem. If you post
30MB worth of pictures, you are placing an unnecessary burden on these
folks and the rest of us, for that matter.
2) SCALE YOUR PICTURES DOWN!!! I don't want to see huge 3000 x 2000
pictures getting posted that are 3 or 4MB each. This is just
unacceptable. Use a program such as Photoshop to scale the picture
down to something on the order of 800 x 600 and try to keep the
file size to less-than 200KB, preferably much less.
Microsoft has a really awesome utility available for free that allows
you to Right-Click on a picture in Explorer and automatically
scale it down and resave it. This is a great utility - get it, use it!
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx
Look for the link "Image Resizer"
3) !! This would seem to go without saying, but I'll say it anyway. Do not
post anything that would be considered offensive by your grandmother.
And you know what I'm saying; I don't want to see anything even
questionable. !!
4) REMEMBER THIS: If you post a 1MB enclosure to a List with 1000 members
subscribed, your 1MB enclosure must be resent 1000 times amounting
to 1MB X 1000 = 1 Gigabyte of network traffic!! BE CAREFUL and
BE COURTEOUS!
Also see the section below on the Matronics Photo and File Share where
you can have your files and photos posted on the Matronics web server
for long time viewing and availability.
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*** Digest Mode ***
*******************
Each day, starting at 12 midnight PST US, a new 'digest' will be started.
This digest will contain the same information that is currently appended
to the archive file. It has all of the headers except for the "From:"
and "Subject:" lines removed, and includes a message separator consisting
of a line of underscores.
Each day at 23:55 PST US, the day's messages as described above will be
combined and sent as a single message to everyone on the digest email list.
To subscribe to the digest list, use the same subscription web form
described above, and just select the Digest version of the List.
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Note that you *can* be subscribed to both the realtime and digest versions
of the List at the same time. This is perfectly acceptable.
Now some caveats:
* Messages sent to "rv10-list-digest" will be forwarded to the standard
email list. In other words, you cannot post messages only to the
digest List.
* If you are subscribed to both the regular List and the digest List, you
will receive the realtime postings as well as the digest at the end of
the day.
* If you reply to the digest email, your message will be forwarded to the
normal list associated with the digest. Important Note: Please change
the subject line to reflect the topic of your response! Also, please
*do not include all or most of the digest in your reply*.
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*** List Digest Browser ***
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An archive of all the List Digests can be found online in either plain text
or HTML format. These archives contain the exact Digest that was posted to
the Digest email list on the given day. The Digest Archives can be found
at the following location:
http://www.matronics.com/digest
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*** The "DO NOT ARCHIVE" Message Flag ***
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At times, your message may concern something that is revelent only to a very
small number of persons or to a limited area, and you may not wish to archive
it. In such a case, simply put the following phrase anywhere in the
message:
do not archive
Your message will not be appended to the archive, but will be sent to List
email distribution as normal.
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***** READ THIS - Automatic Unsubscribes *****
**********************************************
Note that if your email address begins to cause problems such as bounced
email, mailbox is filled, or any other errors, your address will be promptly
removed from the List. If you discover that you are no longer receiving
messages from the RV10-List, go to the following Web page, and look
for your email address and a possible reason for your removal.
The Matronics Email List uses utility called the "Email Weasel" that
automatically looks though the day's bounced email for addresses that
caused problems due to common things like "user is unknown", "mailbox
full", etc. If the Email Weasel removes your email address from the
Lists you will find record of it at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/unsubscribed
If the problem listed on the web site above has been resolved, please feel
free to resubscribe to the Lists of your choice.
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*** List Member Information ***
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If you have not done so already, please email me your phone numbers and
paper mail address in the following format:
smith@somehost.com
Joe Smith
123 Airport Lane
Tower, CA 91234-1234
098-765-1234 w
123-456-7890 h
Please forward this information to the following email address:
requests@matronics.com
I have a file of such things, that I typically use to contact you when
there are problems with your email address. The information will NOT
be used for any other commercial purpose.
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*** Realtime Web Email List Browsing ***
****************************************
Recent messages posted to the RV10-List are also made available on
the Web for realtime browsing. Seven days worth of back postings are
available with this feature. The messages can be sorted by Subject,
Author, Date, or Message Thread. The Realtime List Browser indexes are
updated twice per hour at xx:15 and xx:45. You can also reply to a message
or start a new message directly from the List Browser Interface (coming soon).
You do not have to be subscribed to the given list to use the List
Browser Interface in view-mode.
http://www.matronics.com/browselist/rv10-list
*******************************************
*** Web Forums Bulletin Board Interface ***
*******************************************
A phpBB BBS web Forums front end is available for all RV10-List content.
content. The Forums contain all of the same content available via the email
distribution and found on the various archive viewing formats such as the
List Browse, etc. Any posts on the web Forums will be cross posted to the
respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to
the web Forums.
You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login.
If you wish to post a message via the Web Forum interface, however, you
will need to Register. This is a simple process that takes only a few
minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the
main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also
enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to
Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the
Email Distribution of the List, however.
The Matroincs Email List Web BBS Forums can be found at the following URL:
http://forums.matronics.com
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*** Matronics Email List Wiki ***
*********************************
In an attempt to make it easy to store and find structured and often accessed
information, Matronics has installed a Wiki at:
http://wiki.matronics.com
The Wiki allows individuals to create web pages to contain useful information
for other users of the mailing lists and web site. Unlike an ordinary web page
where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki
permits the users to construct their own pages and have them visible immediately.
While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be
comfortable building pages. In that case, simply prepare the text and any
images and email it to:
wiki-support@matronics.com
One of the volunteers on that list will take your submission and construct
a Wiki page for you.
Often someone produces a particularly useful posting in email one one of the
Lists that would be of general interest. In that case Matronics may take that
post and convert it into a Wiki page.
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*** List Archives ***
*********************
A file containing of all of the previous postings to the RV10-List is
available on line. The archive file information is available via the
Web and FTP in a number of forms. Each are briefly described below:
* RV10-List.FAQ
- Latest version of the RV10-List Frequently Asked Question
page (this document).
* RV10-Archive.digest.complete
- Complete file with most of the email header info removed and
page breaks inserted between messages.
* RV10-Archive.digest.vol-??
- Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that
can more easily handled.
* RV10-Archive.digest.complete.zip
- Same as the RV10-Archive.digest.complete file above, but
in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
* RV10-Archive.digest.complete.Z
- Same as the RV10-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in
UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
Download Via FTP
----------------
The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com
in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in
a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
Download Via Web
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The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found
toward the bottom of the following web page:
http://www.matronics.com/archives
******************************************
*** Complete List Web Archive Browsing ***
******************************************
All messages posted to the RV10-List are also available using the
Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages
in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed.
http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?RV10
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**** High-Speed Archive Search Engine ***
*****************************************
You can use the custom, high-performance Matronics Email List Search Engine
to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the
List. The Engine allows the user to easily search any of the currently
available List archives.
http://www.matronics.com/search
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*** File and Photo Share ***
****************************
With the Matronics Email List File and Photo Share you can share pictures
and other data with members of the List without having to forward a
copy of it to everyone. To share your Files and Photos, simply email
them to:
pictures@matronics.com
!! ==> Please including the following information with each submission:
1) Email Lists that they are related to.
2) Your Full Name.
3) Your Email Address.
4) One line Subject description.
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic.
6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file
Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned
for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and
photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to
process them every few days.
Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be
sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new
Share is available and what the direct URL to it is.
For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main
Index Page:
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
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*** List Archive CDROM ***
**************************
A complete Matronics Email List Archive CD is available that contains
all of the archives since the beginning of each of the Lists. The archives
for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search
engine written by a list member. The CD is burned the day you order it
and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make
great gifts!
http://www.matronics.com/ArchiveCDROM
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You won't find any PopUpAds, flashing Banner ads, or any other form of
annoying commercialism on either the Email Messages or the List web pages
associated with the Matronics Email Lists. Every year during November
I run a low-key, low-pressure "Fund Raiser" where, throughout the month,
I ask List members to make a Contribution in any amount with which they
are comfortable.
I will often offer free gifts with certain contribution levels during the
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Your Contributions go directly to supporting the operation of the Lists
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If you enjoy and value the List, won't you make a Contribution today to
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RV10-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the RV10-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the RV10-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
RV10-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the RV10-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
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your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
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Dear Listers,
Please read over the RV10-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
RV10-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/RV10-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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RV10-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the RV10-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the RV10-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
RV10-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the RV10-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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