---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 09/01/10: 28 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:05 AM - trim the post (Chris Hukill) 2. 08:11 AM - performance (DLM) 3. 08:57 AM - AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly detained, AOPA president outraged (Jae Chang) 4. 09:40 AM - Re: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly detained, AOPA p (Strasnuts) 5. 09:52 AM - Re: Re: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly detained, AOPA p (bruce breckenridge) 6. 10:03 AM - Re: Re: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly detained, AOPA p (Robin Marks) 7. 10:04 AM - Re: Re: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly detained, AOPA p (Robin Marks) 8. 10:41 AM - Re: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly detained, AOPA president outraged (Bill Mauledriver Watson) 9. 10:54 AM - Re: Re: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly detained, AOPA p (amekler@metrocast.net) 10. 01:25 PM - Taxi Light (Sean Stephens) 11. 01:44 PM - Re: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly detained, AOPA president outraged (darnpilot@aol.com) 12. 01:51 PM - Re: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly detained, AOPA president outraged (Linn Walters) 13. 02:06 PM - Re: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly detained, AOPA president outraged (darnpilot@aol.com) 14. 02:23 PM - Re: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly detained, AOPA president outraged (Linn Walters) 15. 02:42 PM - Re: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly detained, AOPA president outraged (DLM) 16. 02:46 PM - Re: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly detained, AOPA president outraged (Rene Felker) 17. 02:46 PM - Re: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly detained, AOPA president outraged (Pascal) 18. 04:42 PM - Duckworth HID lights (Rick Lark) 19. 04:51 PM - Re: Duckworth HID lights (Seano) 20. 04:55 PM - Re: Post Replies (woxofswa) 21. 05:07 PM - Re: Duckworth HID lights (Tim Olson) 22. 05:25 PM - Re: Re: Post Replies (Linn Walters) 23. 05:25 PM - Re: Duckworth HID lights (Robin Marks) 24. 05:28 PM - Re: Duckworth HID lights (Sean Stephens) 25. 07:30 PM - Re: Duckworth HID lights (Matt Dralle) 26. 09:33 PM - Re: Duckworth HID lights (DLM) 27. 11:06 PM - Official RV10-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle) 28. 11:10 PM - Official RV10-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:05:30 AM PST US From: "Chris Hukill" Subject: RV10-List: trim the post Since I feel some responsibility for starting this "war", let me reiterate what my original request was. Please just trim the message of the original posts so we don't have to skim through the entire history of the thread with each subsequent post. Simple really, doesn't matter where, or if, you include whatever snippet of the pertinent point that you want to comment on. Just take the time to trim and everyone will benefit, irregardless of their favored protocol or level of education. Thanks in advance! Chris Hukill ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:11:26 AM PST US From: "DLM" Subject: RV10-List: performance Anyone have takeoff/climb performance at 6000-7000 DA? I may use TRK or CXP; TRK has temporary construction which has shortened the main runway. Weight would be about 2400. I may make the departure IMC and fly the departure procedure. One reference is a PRC departure @80F and a ground roll as measured by the tower was 2500 ft; weight was 2700-2800. Another is a 12 second takeoff roll at ZUN with outside air @ 60F. Has anyone developed a performance table or the 10 at various weights/pressure altitudes/temperatures? ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:57:11 AM PST US From: Jae Chang Subject: RV10-List: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly detained, AOPA president outraged http://www.aopa.org/aircraft/articles/2010/100830kings.html Has anyone seen this yet? wow! ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:40:58 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly detained, AOPA p From: "Strasnuts" I saw it too. I always knew they were up to something. She always looked suspicious or something like that. -------- Cust. #40936 RV-10 SB Fuselage N801VR reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310963#310963 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:52:26 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly detained, AOPA p From: bruce breckenridge I read it the other day - what a mess!! Then, I read yesterday that the AOPA Summit in November has them speaking on the following: The Kings on Avoiding Unwanted Adventure What a coincidence! Bruce Breckenridge Wings & Stuff. On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 9:40 AM, Strasnuts wrote: > > I saw it too. I always knew they were up to something. She always looked > suspicious or something like that. > > -------- > Cust. #40936 > RV-10 SB Fuselage > N801VR reserved > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310963#310963 > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:03:52 AM PST US From: Robin Marks Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly detained, AOPA p Expect a new instructional video from the Kings next week: Learn to Steal a Plane in 15 Minutes or Less. VHS or DVD $59.95 [image: Computer Based Ground School] -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Strasnuts Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 9:40 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly detained, AOPA p I saw it too. I always knew they were up to something. She always looked suspicious or something like that. -------- Cust. #40936 RV-10 SB Fuselage N801VR reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310963#310963 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:04:40 AM PST US From: Robin Marks Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly detained, AOPA p Expect a new instructional video from the Kings next week: Learn to Steal a Plane in 15 Minutes or Less. VHS or DVD $59.95 [image: Computer Based Ground School] -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Strasnuts Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 9:40 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly detained, AOPA p I saw it too. I always knew they were up to something. She always looked suspicious or something like that. -------- Cust. #40936 RV-10 SB Fuselage N801VR reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310963#310963 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:41:21 AM PST US From: Bill Mauledriver Watson Subject: Re: RV10-List: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly detained, AOPA president outraged That how it must feel to get profiled... you know, didn't do anything but spread eagled and frisked with guns drawn. Maybe a bit over-pissed. On 9/1/2010 11:55 AM, Jae Chang wrote: > > http://www.aopa.org/aircraft/articles/2010/100830kings.html > > Has anyone seen this yet? wow! > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:54:41 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly detained, AOPA p From: amekler@metrocast.net On Wed 09/01/10 1:02 PM , Robin Marks wrote: Expect a new instructional video from the Kings next week: Learn to Steal a Plane in 15 Minutes or Less. VHS or DVD $59.95 With introduction by Colton Harris-Moore. [1] -----Original Message----- From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of Strasnuts Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 9:40 AM To: Subject: RV10-List: Re: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly detained, AOPA p I saw it too. I always knew they were up to something. 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Sean #40303 fuse side skins ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:44:05 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly detained, AOPA president outraged From: darnpilot@aol.com Its not so funny when it happens to a wealthy white couple, and makes us think about this ever evolving police state. Yet, we think nothing of it when it happens daily to Blacks and Latinos. Jeff Jacksonville, FL __i__ *-----o--o--(_)--o--o-----* -----Original Message----- From: Bill Mauledriver Watson Sent: Wed, Sep 1, 2010 1:39 pm Subject: Re: RV10-List: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly detain ed, AOPA president outraged r.com> That how it must feel to get profiled... you know, didn't do anything but spread eagled and frisked with guns drawn. Maybe a bit over-pissed. On 9/1/2010 11:55 AM, Jae Chang wrote: > > http://www.aopa.org/aircraft/articles/2010/100830kings.html > > Has anyone seen this yet? wow! > > ======================== ============ ======================== ============ ======================== ============ ======================== ============ ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:51:41 PM PST US From: Linn Walters Subject: Re: RV10-List: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly detained, AOPA president outraged Jeff, I don't know you, but that post implies that you need some help with the racism. Nothing was said about wealthy, and nothing was said about it being a racist bust. That's all in your head. Now, if you have a problem with 'famous aviators', then I agree, and we're all in the same boat. Can't say I disagree about the police state though. Linn south of Jacksonville ..... do not archive. On 9/1/2010 4:40 PM, darnpilot@aol.com wrote: > Its not so funny when it happens to a wealthy white couple, and makes > us think about this ever evolving police state. Yet, we think nothing > of it when it happens daily to Blacks and Latinos. > > Jeff > Jacksonville, FL > *__i__* > **-----o--o--**(**_**)**--o--o-----** > * > * > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Mauledriver Watson > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Sent: Wed, Sep 1, 2010 1:39 pm > Subject: Re: RV10-List: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly > detained, AOPA president outraged > > > > > That how it must feel to get profiled... you know, didn't do anything > but spread eagled and frisked with guns drawn. > > Maybe a bit over-pissed. > > On 9/1/2010 11:55 AM, Jae Chang wrote: > > > > > > http://www.aopa.org/aircraft/articles/2010/100830kings.html > > > > Has anyone seen this yet? wow! > > > > > > > =================================== > et=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > =================================== > ://forums.matronics.com > =================================== > lank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > =================================== > > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:06:00 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly detained, AOPA president outraged From: darnpilot@aol.com Linn, The point was we are [rightly] upset and intolerant of overly aggressive police tactics the rare times when it happens to people like us. We seem ingly turn a blind eye when it happens daily to people not like us, i.e., Blacks and Latinos (and, increasingly, Muslim-looking people). Jeff Jacksonville, FL __i__ *-----o--o--(_)--o--o-----* -----Original Message----- From: Linn Walters Sent: Wed, Sep 1, 2010 4:50 pm Subject: Re: RV10-List: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly detain ed, AOPA president outraged Jeff, I don't know you, but that post implies that you need some help with the racism. Nothing was said about wealthy, and nothing was said about it being a racist bust. That's all in your head. Now, if you have a pro blem with 'famous aviators', then I agree, and we're all in the same boat. Can't say I disagree about the police state though. Linn south of Jacksonville ..... do not archive. On 9/1/2010 4:40 PM, darnpilot@aol.com wrote: Its not so funny when it happens to a wealthy white couple, and makes us think about this ever evolving police state. Yet, we think nothing of it when it happens daily to Blacks and Latinos. Jeff Jacksonville, FL __i__ *-----o--o--(_)--o--o-----* -----Original Message----- From: Bill Mauledriver Watson Sent: Wed, Sep 1, 2010 1:39 pm Subject: Re: RV10-List: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly detain ed, AOPA president outraged r.com> That how it must feel to get profiled... you know, didn't do anything but spread eagled and frisked with guns drawn. Maybe a bit over-pissed. On 9/1/2010 11:55 AM, Jae Chang wrote: > > http://www.aopa.org/aircraft/articles/2010/100830kings.html > > Has anyone seen this yet? wow! > > ======================== ============ et=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List ======================== ============ ://forums.matronics.com ======================== ============ lank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ======================== ============ ======================== =========== -= - The RV10-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:23:43 PM PST US From: Linn Walters Subject: Re: RV10-List: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly detained, AOPA president outraged On 9/1/2010 5:05 PM, darnpilot@aol.com wrote: > Linn, > The point was we are [rightly] upset and intolerant of overly > aggressive police tactics the rare times when it happens to people > like us. We seemingly turn a blind eye when it happens daily to > people not like us, i.e., Blacks and Latinos (and, increasingly, > Muslim-looking people). And that's my point ..... they're all like us. We're the little people. Race, color, ethnic origin ..... it really makes no difference. We, individually, don't stand a chance of fighting the tactics that the Kings encountered. However, WE (the collective WE), as the electorate, do stand a chance by fighting with our vote. But we're all in this together. I'm afraid for my country right now, and for my kids and grandkids in the future. Food for thought: Stereotypes aren't invented. Nobody sits up nights thinking of a stereotype. They stem from observations. Linn ..... last comment on the subject > > Jeff > Jacksonville, FL > *__i__* > **-----o--o--**(**_**)**--o--o-----** > * > * > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Linn Walters > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Sent: Wed, Sep 1, 2010 4:50 pm > Subject: Re: RV10-List: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly > detained, AOPA president outraged > > Jeff, I don't know you, but that post implies that you need some help > with the racism. Nothing was said about wealthy, and nothing was said > about it being a racist bust. That's all in your head. Now, if you > have a problem with 'famous aviators', then I agree, and we're all in > the same boat. Can't say I disagree about the police state though. > Linn > south of Jacksonville ..... > do not archive. > > On 9/1/2010 4:40 PM, darnpilot@aol.com wrote: >> Its not so funny when it happens to a wealthy white couple, and makes >> us think about this ever evolving police state. Yet, we think >> nothing of it when it happens daily to Blacks and Latinos. >> >> Jeff >> Jacksonville, FL >> *__i__* >> **-----o--o--**(**_**)**--o--o-----** >> * >> * >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bill Mauledriver Watson >> To: rv10-list@matronics.com >> Sent: Wed, Sep 1, 2010 1:39 pm >> Subject: Re: RV10-List: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly >> detained, AOPA president outraged >> >> > >> >> That how it must feel to get profiled... you know, didn't do >> anything but spread eagled and frisked with guns drawn. >> >> Maybe a bit over-pissed. >> >> On 9/1/2010 11:55 AM, Jae Chang wrote: >> > >> > >> > http://www.aopa.org/aircraft/articles/2010/100830kings.html >> > >> > Has anyone seen this yet? wow! >> > >> > >> >> >> =================================== >> et=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >> =================================== >> ://forums.matronics.com >> =================================== >> lank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> =================================== >> >> >> * >> >> >> * > > * > > =================================== > rget=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > =================================== > tp://forums.matronics.com > =================================== > _blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > =================================== > > * > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:42:23 PM PST US From: "DLM" Subject: Re: RV10-List: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly detained, AOPA president outraged As the country song says "This ain't nothing" . In 1977 my Cessna 1976 177rg was on leaseback to an FBO in Tulsa. some characters arrived and said he needed a 135 ride to OKC. No charter pilots were available. A local pilot in the FBO stated that he was checked out in the airplane and would fly it to OKC for them. Several hours later the rental pilot called in from Dallas LOVE to say that the passengers had other business in Texas. By that time the FBO advised the pilot that if he had the airplane key in his pocket he had better run as he did not know for what those characters were wanted. After he hung up he was placed prone on the ramp with the others by the FBI. The "passengers" were Fort Leavenworth escapees trying to go to Mexico. Remember the bureaucracy and the "punishment of the innocents". The government rarely has the paperwork correct. But in my case the did. Aircraft was returned to RVS; my current craft has the "poor man's lojack" installed. Whatever your color, if the paperwork is wrong, you will be stopped. As for our TSA, profiling would make a lot more sense than the "electronic strip" searches being forced on random airline passengers. Former airline and oil company employee retired and haven't been on an airline flight but once in 15 years ----- Original Message ----- From: darnpilot@aol.com To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 1:40 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly detained, AOPA president outraged Its not so funny when it happens to a wealthy white couple, and makes us think about this ever evolving police state. Yet, we think nothing of it when it happens daily to Blacks and Latinos. Jeff Jacksonville, FL __i__ *-----o--o--(_)--o--o-----* -----Original Message----- From: Bill Mauledriver Watson To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Wed, Sep 1, 2010 1:39 pm Subject: Re: RV10-List: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly detained, AOPA president outraged That how it must feel to get profiled... you know, didn't do anything but spread eagled and frisked with guns drawn. Maybe a bit over-pissed. On 9/1/2010 11:55 AM, Jae Chang wrote: > > http://www.aopa.org/aircraft/articles/2010/100830kings.html > > Has anyone seen this yet? wow! > > =========== et=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List =========== ://forums.matronics.com =========== lank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution =========== ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:46:46 PM PST US From: "Rene Felker" Subject: RE: RV10-List: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly detained, AOPA president outraged Just to get my 2 cents in. It does not bother me a bit about this happening to the Kings. The police thought it was a crime in progress and they took action. I would rather that, then they not take it serious and end up dead on the ramp when somebody is really stealing something... I have been jacked up before (in the Air Force) and although I did not like it, I thanked the cops when it was all over. The things that go through your mind when you see the 18 year with an M-16 pointed at you. Now, back to the airplane...going to try and balance the prop tonight.. Rene' Felker N423CF 801-721-6080 From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Linn Walters Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 3:23 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly detained, AOPA president outraged On 9/1/2010 5:05 PM, darnpilot@aol.com wrote: Linn, The point was we are [rightly] upset and intolerant of overly aggressive police tactics the rare times when it happens to people like us. We seemingly turn a blind eye when it happens daily to people not like us, i.e., Blacks and Latinos (and, increasingly, Muslim-looking people). And that's my point ..... they're all like us. We're the little people. Race, color, ethnic origin ..... it really makes no difference. We, individually, don't stand a chance of fighting the tactics that the Kings encountered. However, WE (the collective WE), as the electorate, do stand a chance by fighting with our vote. But we're all in this together. I'm afraid for my country right now, and for my kids and grandkids in the future. Food for thought: Stereotypes aren't invented. Nobody sits up nights thinking of a stereotype. They stem from observations. Linn ..... last comment on the subject Jeff Jacksonville, FL __i__ *-----o--o--(_)--o--o-----* -----Original Message----- From: Linn Walters Sent: Wed, Sep 1, 2010 4:50 pm Subject: Re: RV10-List: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly detained, AOPA president outraged Jeff, I don't know you, but that post implies that you need some help with the racism. Nothing was said about wealthy, and nothing was said about it being a racist bust. That's all in your head. Now, if you have a problem with 'famous aviators', then I agree, and we're all in the same boat. Can't say I disagree about the police state though. Linn south of Jacksonville ..... do not archive. On 9/1/2010 4:40 PM, darnpilot@aol.com wrote: Its not so funny when it happens to a wealthy white couple, and makes us think about this ever evolving police state. Yet, we think nothing of it when it happens daily to Blacks and Latinos. Jeff Jacksonville, FL __i__ *-----o--o--(_)--o--o-----* -----Original Message----- From: Bill Mauledriver Watson Sent: Wed, Sep 1, 2010 1:39 pm Subject: Re: RV10-List: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly detained, AOPA president outraged That how it must feel to get profiled... you know, didn't do anything but spread eagled and frisked with guns drawn. Maybe a bit over-pissed. On 9/1/2010 11:55 AM, Jae Chang wrote: > > http://www.aopa.org/aircraft/articles/2010/100830kings.html > > Has anyone seen this yet? wow! > > ==================================== et=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List ==================================== ://forums.matronics.com ==================================== lank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ==================================== =================================== rget=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List =================================== tp://forums.matronics.com =================================== _blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution =================================== ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:46:46 PM PST US From: "Pascal" Subject: Re: RV10-List: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly detained, AOPA president outraged Being I grew up knowing all this first hand I will freely say THIS IS NOT THE FORUM FOR THIS TOPIC Drop it please! From: Linn Walters Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 2:23 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly detained, AOPA president outraged On 9/1/2010 5:05 PM, darnpilot@aol.com wrote: Linn, The point was we are [rightly] upset and intolerant of overly aggressive police tactics the rare times when it happens to people like us. We seemingly turn a blind eye when it happens daily to people not like us, i.e., Blacks and Latinos (and, increasingly, Muslim-looking people). And that's my point ..... they're all like us. We're the little people. Race, color, ethnic origin ..... it really makes no difference. We, individually, don't stand a chance of fighting the tactics that the Kings encountered. However, WE (the collective WE), as the electorate, do stand a chance by fighting with our vote. But we're all in this together. I'm afraid for my country right now, and for my kids and grandkids in the future. Food for thought: Stereotypes aren't invented. Nobody sits up nights thinking of a stereotype. They stem from observations. Linn ..... last comment on the subject Jeff Jacksonville, FL __i__ *-----o--o--(_)--o--o-----* -----Original Message----- From: Linn Walters To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Wed, Sep 1, 2010 4:50 pm Subject: Re: RV10-List: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly detained, AOPA president outraged Jeff, I don't know you, but that post implies that you need some help with the racism. Nothing was said about wealthy, and nothing was said about it being a racist bust. That's all in your head. Now, if you have a problem with 'famous aviators', then I agree, and we're all in the same boat. Can't say I disagree about the police state though. Linn south of Jacksonville ..... do not archive. On 9/1/2010 4:40 PM, darnpilot@aol.com wrote: Its not so funny when it happens to a wealthy white couple, and makes us think about this ever evolving police state. Yet, we think nothing of it when it happens daily to Blacks and Latinos. Jeff Jacksonville, FL __i__ *-----o--o--(_)--o--o-----* -----Original Message----- From: Bill Mauledriver Watson To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Wed, Sep 1, 2010 1:39 pm Subject: Re: RV10-List: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly detained, AOPA president outraged That how it must feel to get profiled... you know, didn't do anything but spread eagled and frisked with guns drawn. Maybe a bit over-pissed. On 9/1/2010 11:55 AM, Jae Chang wrote: > > http://www.aopa.org/aircraft/articles/2010/100830kings.html > > Has anyone seen this yet? wow! > > =========== et=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List =========== ://forums.matronics.com =========== lank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution =========== rget=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:42:31 PM PST US From: Rick Lark Subject: RV10-List: Duckworth HID lights Hi all - I'm just about to order a 35Watt, DS1 HID light- kit from Duckworth's.- The less expensive 50 Watt system is tempting as it's supposedly 5X more b right than a halogen.- The 35W is 4X more bright (as I've been told by th e Duckworth people). - What does the group think?-- I'm still flying behind a '76 Cardinal wit h 75 W incandescend so I know the HID's will be a huge improvement.- I pl an to mount it in the leading edge, and don't plan to put any antennas in t he wing tips, led strobes and nav lights are also planned.- Is the higher noise issue of the less costly system of any concern??? - Opinions all welcomed.- Thx... - Rick #40956 Southampton, Ont=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 04:51:13 PM PST US From: "Seano" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Duckworth HID lights I bought the 35w DS1 phillips for the reduced noise....I haven't installed it yet so I went off this: What TYPE of HID Lamp is used? There are various types of HID lamps. The D1S and D2S are 2 of the most common, with the D1S being the preferred lamp. The reason is that D1S lamps have the 'igniter' in the lamp base, whereas D2S have the 'igniter' in the ballast. That means that the D2S lamps have a high voltage wire (upwards of 20kV possible!) from the ballast to the lamp that can cause much more 'noise' and shock hazard, while the D1S has the high voltage step right at the lamp. D1S lamps for the HIDs in your plane are preferred to minimize radio interference and high voltage on cables. ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Lark To: RV10-list Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 5:40 PM Subject: RV10-List: Duckworth HID lights Hi all I'm just about to order a 35Watt, DS1 HID light kit from Duckworth's. The less expensive 50 Watt system is tempting as it's supposedly 5X more bright than a halogen. The 35W is 4X more bright (as I've been told by the Duckworth people). What does the group think? I'm still flying behind a '76 Cardinal with 75 W incandescend so I know the HID's will be a huge improvement. I plan to mount it in the leading edge, and don't plan to put any antennas in the wing tips, led strobes and nav lights are also planned. Is the higher noise issue of the less costly system of any concern??? Opinions all welcomed. Thx... Rick #40956 Southampton, Ont ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 04:55:56 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Post Replies From: "woxofswa" I don't know the mechanics but I just checked on the forum and had 10 threads involving the King Schools without any idea of which was the lead one and how the traffic followed. If that example is what is meant by starting a new thread rather than replying to the original one, then my vote would be "no thanks". To me it makes much more sense to have one cascading thread per topic. -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse in progress Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=311008#311008 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 05:07:19 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Duckworth HID lights I'd stick with the lower noise. As a side benefit, you run less wattage at 3 5W so your current draw won't be quite as much. They are PLENTY bright. Tim On Sep 1, 2010, at 6:40 PM, Rick Lark wrote: > Hi all > > I'm just about to order a 35Watt, DS1 HID light kit from Duckworth's. Th e less expensive 50 Watt system is tempting as it's supposedly 5X more brigh t than a halogen. The 35W is 4X more bright (as I've been told by the Duckw orth people). > > What does the group think? I'm still flying behind a '76 Cardinal with 7 5 W incandescend so I know the HID's will be a huge improvement. I plan to m ount it in the leading edge, and don't plan to put any antennas in the wing t ips, led strobes and nav lights are also planned. Is the higher noise issue of the less costly system of any concern??? > > Opinions all welcomed. Thx... > > Rick > #40956 > Southampton, Ont > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 05:25:26 PM PST US From: Linn Walters Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Post Replies I don't use the forum , but looked, and the original post is the last one in the list of subject lines like: AOPA Online: King Schools owners mistakenly detained, AOPA p Newest posts are at the top of the list. I also noticed that there were changes made in the subject line ..... which may account for the lack of 'thread'. Linn do not archive On 9/1/2010 7:55 PM, woxofswa wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "woxofswa" > > I don't know the mechanics but I just checked on the forum and had 10 threads involving the King Schools without any idea of which was the lead one and how the traffic followed. > > If that example is what is meant by starting a new thread rather than replying to the original one, then my vote would be "no thanks". To me it makes much more sense to have one cascading thread per topic. > > -------- > Myron Nelson > Mesa, AZ > Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse in progress > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=311008#311008 > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 05:25:30 PM PST US From: Robin Marks Subject: RE: RV10-List: Duckworth HID lights Rick, I purchased the 35 Watt units from DW (only 35 Watt offered at the time) and have received MANY compliments for brightness and ability to recognize from great distances especially with Wig/Wag. On my =93budget=94 8A I purchased two 50 Watt auto HID=92s on eBay for ~$70 /set. They include wiring, ballast and bare bulb. We placed them in standard rectangular auto bulb just like the Duckworks Lightweight Rectangular light kits for $12.00 each. All in I have dual 50 Watt HID=92s for under $110. No t a great savings when considering one has to buy the Leading Edge install kit too but I think I paid more for my original HID=92s than DW now gets for th em. You will appreciate the power of HID=92s. Robin *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Rick Lark *Sent:* Wednesday, September 01, 2010 4:41 PM *To:* RV10-list *Subject:* RV10-List: Duckworth HID lights Hi all I'm just about to order a 35Watt, DS1 HID light kit from Duckworth's. The less expensive 50 Watt system is tempting as it's supposedly 5X more bright than a halogen. The 35W is 4X more bright (as I've been told by the Duckworth people). What does the group think? I'm still flying behind a '76 Cardinal with 75 W incandescend so I know the HID's will be a huge improvement. I plan to mount it in the leading edge, and don't plan to put any antennas in the win g tips, led strobes and nav lights are also planned. Is the higher noise issue of the less costly system of any concern??? Opinions all welcomed. Thx... Rick #40956 Southampton, Ont * * * * ===========* ===========* ===========* ===========* * * ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 05:28:44 PM PST US From: Sean Stephens Subject: Re: RV10-List: Duckworth HID lights I went 35W also. Was told they will be plenty bright. Not flying yet, so no data points. -Sean #40303 On 9/1/10 6:50 PM, Seano wrote: > I bought the 35w DS1 phillips for the reduced noise....I haven't > installed it yet so I went off this: > > *What TYPE of HID Lamp is used?* > There are various types of HID lamps. The D1S and D2S are 2 of the > most common, with the D1S being the preferred lamp. The reason is that > D1S lamps have the igniter in the lamp base, whereas D2S have the > igniter in the ballast. That means that the D2S lamps have a high > voltage wire (upwards of 20kV possible!) from the ballast to the lamp > that can cause much more noise and shock hazard, while the D1S has > the high voltage step right at the lamp. D1S lamps for the HIDs in > your plane are preferred to minimize radio interference and high > voltage on cables. > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Rick Lark > *To:* RV10-list > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 01, 2010 5:40 PM > *Subject:* RV10-List: Duckworth HID lights > > Hi all > I'm just about to order a 35Watt, DS1 HID light kit from > Duckworth's. The less expensive 50 Watt system is tempting as it's > supposedly 5X more bright than a halogen. The 35W is 4X more > bright (as I've been told by the Duckworth people). > What does the group think? I'm still flying behind a '76 Cardinal > with 75 W incandescend so I know the HID's will be a huge > improvement. I plan to mount it in the leading edge, and don't > plan to put any antennas in the wing tips, led strobes and nav > lights are also planned. Is the higher noise issue of the less > costly system of any concern??? > Opinions all welcomed. Thx... > Rick > #40956 > Southampton, Ont > > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > * > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 07:30:02 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Re: RV10-List: Duckworth HID lights I've got a 50w DW HID kit in each wing of the RV-8. Just right. I wouldn't want any less. - Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: 90+ Hours TTSN - Enjoying Every Minute... At 05:27 PM 9/1/2010 Wednesday, you wrote: > > I went 35W also. Was told they will be plenty bright. Not flying yet, so no data points. > >-Sean #40303 > >On 9/1/10 6:50 PM, Seano wrote: >>I bought the 35w DS1 phillips for the reduced noise....I haven't installed it yet so I went off this: >> >>*What TYPE of HID Lamp is used?* >>There are various types of HID lamps. The D1S and D2S are 2 of the most common, with the D1S being the preferred lamp. The reason is that D1S lamps have the igniter in the lamp base, whereas D2S have the igniter in the ballast. That means that the D2S lamps have a high voltage wire (upwards of 20kV possible!) from the ballast to the lamp that can cause much more noise and shock hazard, while the D1S has the high voltage step right at the lamp. D1S lamps for the HIDs in your plane are preferred to minimize radio interference and high voltage on cables. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Rick Lark >> *To:* RV10-list >> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 01, 2010 5:40 PM >> *Subject:* RV10-List: Duckworth HID lights >> >> Hi all >> I'm just about to order a 35Watt, DS1 HID light kit from >> Duckworth's. The less expensive 50 Watt system is tempting as it's >> supposedly 5X more bright than a halogen. The 35W is 4X more >> bright (as I've been told by the Duckworth people). >> What does the group think? I'm still flying behind a '76 Cardinal >> with 75 W incandescend so I know the HID's will be a huge >> improvement. I plan to mount it in the leading edge, and don't >> plan to put any antennas in the wing tips, led strobes and nav >> lights are also planned. Is the higher noise issue of the less >> costly system of any concern??? >> Opinions all welcomed. Thx... >> Rick >> #40956 >> Southampton, On ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 09:33:11 PM PST US From: "DLM" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Duckworth HID lights I installed HID from www.planelights.com http://www.planelights.com/index.php?id=661 is my aircraft. ----- Original Message ----- From: Robin Marks To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 5:22 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Duckworth HID lights Rick, I purchased the 35 Watt units from DW (only 35 Watt offered at the time) and have received MANY compliments for brightness and ability to recognize from great distances especially with Wig/Wag. On my =93budget=94 8A I purchased two 50 Watt auto HID=92s on eBay for ~$70/set. They include wiring, ballast and bare bulb. We placed them in standard rectangular auto bulb just like the Duckworks Lightweight Rectangular light kits for $12.00 each. All in I have dual 50 Watt HID=92s for under $110. Not a great savings when considering one has to buy the Leading Edge install kit too but I think I paid more for my original HID=92s than DW now gets for them. You will appreciate the power of HID=92s. Robin From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Lark Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 4:41 PM To: RV10-list Subject: RV10-List: Duckworth HID lights Hi all I'm just about to order a 35Watt, DS1 HID light kit from Duckworth's. The less expensive 50 Watt system is tempting as it's supposedly 5X more bright than a halogen. The 35W is 4X more bright (as I've been told by the Duckworth people). What does the group think? I'm still flying behind a '76 Cardinal with 75 W incandescend so I know the HID's will be a huge improvement. I plan to mount it in the leading edge, and don't plan to put any antennas in the wing tips, led strobes and nav lights are also planned. Is the higher noise issue of the less costly system of any concern??? Opinions all welcomed. Thx... Rick #40956 Southampton, Ont = Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browseDay Browse, Chat, FAQ, w.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?R V1====================== m">http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution============ ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 11:06:10 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: RV10-List: Official RV10-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) Dear Listers, Please read over the RV10-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) below. 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Informal presentation and moderation should be the operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists. ------- [This is an automated posting.] do not archive ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 11:10:44 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: RV10-List: Official RV10-List Usage Guidelines Dear Listers, Please read over the RV10-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete RV10-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/RV10-List.FAQ.html Thank you, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ****************************************************************************** RV10-List Usage Guidelines ****************************************************************************** The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the RV10-List. You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein. 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