Today's Message Index:
----------------------
1. 06:03 AM - Re: doors and body work (gary)
2. 06:28 AM - Re: RE. Doors and body work (johngoodman)
3. 06:41 AM - Re: doors and body work (Dave Leikam)
4. 08:52 AM - Re: Engine surging on RV 10 on Landing approach (Ed Mueller)
5. 12:41 PM - Re: performance (kevino)
6. 01:50 PM - Re: Re: performance (Tim Olson)
7. 01:58 PM - Re: Re: performance (Seano)
8. 02:27 PM - Re: Re: performance (Rene Felker)
9. 02:30 PM - Re: Re: performance (Jesse Saint)
10. 02:55 PM - Re: Re: performance (Tim Olson)
11. 03:42 PM - Re: Re: performance (Sean Stephens)
12. 04:27 PM - Re: Re: performance (bob-tcw)
13. 05:01 PM - Re: Re: performance (Sean Stephens)
14. 05:10 PM - Re: Re: performance (Sean Stephens)
15. 05:24 PM - Re: Re: performance (David Maib)
16. 05:25 PM - Re: ***SPAM*** Re: Re: performance (bob-tcw)
17. 05:41 PM - Re: Re: performance (Sean Stephens)
18. 06:44 PM - Re: Re: performance (g.combs)
19. 07:03 PM - Re: Re: performance (Pascal)
20. 07:16 PM - Re: Re: performance (Dave Saylor)
Message 1
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | doors and body work |
Is John the recipient of some of that government money for wind generators?
Gary Specketer
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 10:22 PM
Subject: RV10-List: doors and body work
The idea of grounding the plane is great, but wasteful. I hooked my wiring
to the vacuum and used the electricity to power it. Kind of like perpetual
motion. Maybe I can store up the charge from all the work, including sanding
and I will forget the gas for the first flight.
Message 2
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: RE. Doors and body work |
I'm pretty sure he's referring to Tap Plastics X-30 expanding foam. Expands 30
times and is hand mixed. I don't think X-30 is fireproof, so I would put it in
the same category as Great Stuff. If you're building a boat, X-30 is perfect
for filling voids.
I've been using Abesco FP200. It's fire resistant and won't hold moisture. It only
expands about 2x but that is sometimes a good thing in tight places. It hardens
as a "beautiful blob of bright pink." It will match the canopy and doors,
so you won't have to paint (g).
It's a little pricey when you get it shipped - I typically pay about $45 total
for two cans. The cans are big and tall, but probably put out the same amount
as a Great Stuff can.
John
--------
#40572 QB. Working on Cowling & Panel
N711JG reserved
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313198#313198
Message 3
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: doors and body work |
Sounds like good, "Green" technology.
Dave Leikam
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: gary
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 7:59 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: doors and body work
Is John the recipient of some of that government money for wind
generators?
Gary Specketer
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 10:22 PM
To: RV 10 group
Subject: RV10-List: doors and body work
The idea of grounding the plane is great, but wasteful. I hooked my
wiring to the vacuum and used the electricity to power it. Kind of like
perpetual motion. Maybe I can store up the charge from all the work,
including sanding and I will forget the gas for the first flight.
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronic
s.com/Navigator?RV10-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
Message 4
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Engine surging on RV 10 on Landing approach |
Different airplane, but in my Beech Sierra maximum slip duration is
30 seconds.
Ed
On Sep 20, 2010, at 8:19 PM, Wayne Hadath wrote:
> <!-- /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal,
> div.MsoNormal {margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:12.0pt;
> font-family:"Times New Roman";} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink
> {color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} a:visited,
> span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple; text-
> decoration:underline;} span.EmailStyle17 {mso-style-type:personal-
> compose; font-family:Arial; color:windowtext;} @page Section1 {size:
> 8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;} div.Section1
> {page:Section1;} -->
> It has been my practice to enter the airport pattern on the right
> tank due to left hand circuits and in my experience mostly left
> hand crosswinds. This practice has served me well until recently.
> I was coming back to Kitchener Ontario from Portsmouth NH just
> after hurricane Earl had moved up the US East coast and the winds
> were strong and gusting from the north west. The trip which usually
> takes 2.5 hrs took 3 hours and 40 minutes. Most of the trip I was
> grounding 120 to 125 kts but at times I was down to 107 kts.
>
> As I approached my home airport I was cleared to a 4 mile final on
> runway 26 with reported winds 300 at 23 gusting 37 knots.
>
> This gave me a 40 degree cross wind. I had 9 gals in the left and 7
> gals in the right tank and had chosen the right tank for approach
> and landing. I was indicating 110 kts on approach but grounding 75.
> Runway 26 is 7500 feet and I had decided not to land at the
> threshold due to past experience with turbulence at the threshold
> of 26 due to some trees. I was planning to attempt touch down about
> way down the runway. The turbulence on approach was considerable
> and I need almost all of the left rudder to keep the right wing low
> and the aircraft lined up with the runway. As I came over the
> threshold the engine began to surge adding to the difficulty to
> keep the aircraft stable. I generally land power off so I decided
> rather than switch tanks I just pulled power to idle and continued
> with the landing. My major concern at the time was that this had
> now become a landing and not an attempt to land as I had no power
> to go around. As fortune would have it the turbulence subsided as I
> went into the flair and the landing was uneventful. I switched to
> left tank and taxied back to the hangar. My family was onboard and
> we talked about what had just happen and I said I would trouble
> shoot the problem as this was not a situation that I would like
> repeated.
>
> I decided to drain the fuel tanks to confirm the gauges were
> accurate and yes they were and I had 9 gals in the left and 7 gals
> in the right. I pulled the gascolator and it was free of debris. I
> did a fuel flow test on each side and confirmed that the flows were
> good.
>
> The weather was clear today so I decided to see if I could
> duplicate the surging but at 4000 feet.
>
> The aircraft did not surge on either tank while taxiing or in
> cruise and in coordinated turns.
>
> I turned on the boost pump put the selector on the right tank and
> was burning 13 gal/hr at 120 knots. I set the timer, dropped the
> right wing and put in full left rudder to hold a steady heading.
> 31 seconds later the engine began to surge. I switched to the left
> tank and seconds later the engine recovered and ran smoothly. I
> repeated this experiment 3 times on the right tank and the interval
> was 31 to 35 seconds. I switched to the left tank and did the same
> tests and the results were the same.
>
> I believe the fuel pick up which is located at the lowest corner of
> the fuel tank is being unported when the fuel moves to the wing
> extremities in these uncoordinated maneuvers.
>
> I intend to do this experiment with more fuel in the tank to see at
> what fuel levels the pick up can be unported. I will also test
> this on my F1 Rocket.
>
> It looks like my pattern approach has to be rethought and cross
> winds considered when I select which tank to land on.
>
> There does not seem to be an end to the stuff to learn in this
> endeavor.
>
> Wayne Hadath
>
> RV 10, 82 hrs
>
> F1 Rocket, 435 hrs
>
>
> www.matronics.com/contribution _-
> ===========================================================
Message 5
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Just to add another endorsement of the TT auto trim, i paid the 625 and thought
it was a bargain. Makes a huge difference shooting approaches. Also added the
safety trim which gives you two trim speeds which smooths out any trim adjustments.
I never see any out of trim indicator on the TT.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313251#313251
Message 6
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Anyone comment on how much wiring for a retrofit there would be?
Looks like it has a big connector.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 9/21/2010 2:38 PM, kevino wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "kevino"<kevino@worldwarehouse.com>
>
> Just to add another endorsement of the TT auto trim, i paid the 625 and thought
it was a bargain. Makes a huge difference shooting approaches. Also added the
safety trim which gives you two trim speeds which smooths out any trim adjustments.
I never see any out of trim indicator on the TT.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313251#313251
>
>
Message 7
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
They have a tech pubs and manuals on their website. I already looked at
that, I may have to buy one. They show both new and retrofit.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: performance
>
> Anyone comment on how much wiring for a retrofit there would be?
> Looks like it has a big connector.
>
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
> do not archive
>
>
> On 9/21/2010 2:38 PM, kevino wrote:
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "kevino"<kevino@worldwarehouse.com>
>>
>> Just to add another endorsement of the TT auto trim, i paid the 625 and
>> thought it was a bargain. Makes a huge difference shooting approaches.
>> Also added the safety trim which gives you two trim speeds which smooths
>> out any trim adjustments. I never see any out of trim indicator on the
>> TT.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313251#313251
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
Message 8
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
I took a quick look yesterday and I am concerned that it would partially
defeat the safety trim I just put in? It says it must be wired directly to
the trim motors and has a warning about runaway trim?
Need to get the Safety Trim and TT guys together for a solution.....maybe,
or I just have it wrong.
Rene' Felker
N423CF
801-721-6080
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Seano
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: performance
They have a tech pubs and manuals on their website. I already looked at
that, I may have to buy one. They show both new and retrofit.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: performance
>
> Anyone comment on how much wiring for a retrofit there would be?
> Looks like it has a big connector.
>
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
> do not archive
>
>
> On 9/21/2010 2:38 PM, kevino wrote:
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "kevino"<kevino@worldwarehouse.com>
>>
>> Just to add another endorsement of the TT auto trim, i paid the 625 and
>> thought it was a bargain. Makes a huge difference shooting approaches.
>> Also added the safety trim which gives you two trim speeds which smooths
>> out any trim adjustments. I never see any out of trim indicator on the
>> TT.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313251#313251
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
Message 9
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
I didn't do it myself, but I did research it. My understanding is that you cut
the wires going to the servo and both sets go into the auto trim, then there
is power and ground and some wires that run to the pitch servo. I don't think
it was a very complicated retrofit, and I'm not sure if any new wires had to
be run from the front to the back (controller should go by the AP Pitch Servo,
IIRC).
This is just off the top of my head, but I seem to remember that there was a fairly
detailed manual that outlines what had to be done.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
On Sep 21, 2010, at 4:46 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> Anyone comment on how much wiring for a retrofit there would be?
> Looks like it has a big connector.
>
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
> do not archive
>
>
> On 9/21/2010 2:38 PM, kevino wrote:
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "kevino"<kevino@worldwarehouse.com>
>>
>> Just to add another endorsement of the TT auto trim, i paid the 625 and thought
it was a bargain. Makes a huge difference shooting approaches. Also added
the safety trim which gives you two trim speeds which smooths out any trim adjustments.
I never see any out of trim indicator on the TT.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313251#313251
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
Message 10
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
See that's my worry too.....if it gets in the way of safety
trim, I won't install it. If it gets installed before
the safety trim, so it can still only run the trim 3 seconds
at a crack, fine, but I won't put it direct to the motors.
Runaway trim would be just too fast of a thing that could
break up the plane for me to trust that. I'll have to
get the wiring diagrams and see.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 9/21/2010 4:17 PM, Rene Felker wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Rene Felker"<rene@felker.com>
>
> I took a quick look yesterday and I am concerned that it would partially
> defeat the safety trim I just put in? It says it must be wired directly to
> the trim motors and has a warning about runaway trim?
>
> Need to get the Safety Trim and TT guys together for a solution.....maybe,
> or I just have it wrong.
>
> Rene' Felker
> N423CF
> 801-721-6080
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Seano
> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 2:56 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: performance
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Seano"<sean@braunandco.com>
>
> They have a tech pubs and manuals on their website. I already looked at
> that, I may have to buy one. They show both new and retrofit.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Olson"<Tim@MyRV10.com>
> To:<rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 2:46 PM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: performance
>
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson<Tim@myrv10.com>
>>
>> Anyone comment on how much wiring for a retrofit there would be?
>> Looks like it has a big connector.
>>
>>
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>> On 9/21/2010 2:38 PM, kevino wrote:
>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "kevino"<kevino@worldwarehouse.com>
>>>
>>> Just to add another endorsement of the TT auto trim, i paid the 625 and
>>> thought it was a bargain. Makes a huge difference shooting approaches.
>>> Also added the safety trim which gives you two trim speeds which smooths
>>> out any trim adjustments. I never see any out of trim indicator on the
>>> TT.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313251#313251
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
Message 11
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Just a note for those going or considering the Vertical Power that it
includes a feature like Bob's great product.
***
*Runaway trim protection
* There are two runaway trim protection systems, and one works
differently on the ground than in the air. If the trim runs for more
than three seconds in the air, the circuit is disabled. However, you can
run it indefinitely when on the ground.
***
Also, they have a PDF that shows the inclusion of the Trutrak auto trim
here: http://www.verticalpower.com/docs/VP_Flap-Trim_Wiring.pdf
I'm not affiliated, I'm just a fan... :)
-Sean #40303 (fuse side skins... still...)
On 9/21/10 4:52 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> See that's my worry too.....if it gets in the way of safety
> trim, I won't install it. If it gets installed before
> the safety trim, so it can still only run the trim 3 seconds
> at a crack, fine, but I won't put it direct to the motors.
> Runaway trim would be just too fast of a thing that could
> break up the plane for me to trust that. I'll have to
> get the wiring diagrams and see.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
> do not archive
>
>
> On 9/21/2010 4:17 PM, Rene Felker wrote:
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Rene Felker"<rene@felker.com>
>>
>> I took a quick look yesterday and I am concerned that it would partially
>> defeat the safety trim I just put in? It says it must be wired
>> directly to
>> the trim motors and has a warning about runaway trim?
>>
>> Need to get the Safety Trim and TT guys together for a
>> solution.....maybe,
>> or I just have it wrong.
>>
>> Rene' Felker
>> N423CF
>> 801-721-6080
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Seano
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 2:56 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: performance
>>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Seano"<sean@braunandco.com>
>>
>> They have a tech pubs and manuals on their website. I already looked at
>> that, I may have to buy one. They show both new and retrofit.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Tim Olson"<Tim@MyRV10.com>
>> To:<rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 2:46 PM
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: performance
>>
>>
>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson<Tim@myrv10.com>
>>>
>>> Anyone comment on how much wiring for a retrofit there would be?
>>> Looks like it has a big connector.
>>>
>>>
>>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>>> do not archive
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/21/2010 2:38 PM, kevino wrote:
>>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "kevino"<kevino@worldwarehouse.com>
>>>>
>>>> Just to add another endorsement of the TT auto trim, i paid the 625
>>>> and
>>>> thought it was a bargain. Makes a huge difference shooting approaches.
>>>> Also added the safety trim which gives you two trim speeds which
>>>> smooths
>>>> out any trim adjustments. I never see any out of trim indicator on the
>>>> TT.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313251#313251
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
Message 12
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Regarding the use of Safety-Trim with TruTrak's autotrim feature: The
Safety-Trim controller feeds into the TT autotrim module where the switch
inputs would normally go. This allows all the benefits of speed control
and run-away trim prevention provided by the Safety-Trimcontroller to
protect the manual control portion of the trim system. When the autopilot
needs to trim the plane it effectively takes trim authority away from the
pilot for just the time required to get the plane trimmed, then returns the
authority back to the Safety-Trim controller. The guys from TT will have
to chime in on their autotrim reliability, I can't provide any details on
that. However, we've had zero issues reported with the combined system.
Regarding the run-away trim prevention feature of Safety-Trim vs that of
Vertical Power: Although similiar they are not the same. The
Safety-Trim system can be reset by clearing the fault in the control stick
switch (ie the coolie hat or rocker switch) or if you really need more
than 3 seconds worth of trim, just release the stick switch and press again
to get up to 3 more seconds worth of trim. This mode of operation is
protected by our recently issued patent. The VP system will disable the
trim switch during this case and you must use the soft keys on VP control
system screen to clear the "fault". This how I understand their system
to work.
Bob Newman
TCW Technologies, LLC
www.tcwtech.com
builder # 40176
Message 13
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Thanks Bob, I should have stated that it was different entirely, but
was just referring to the 3-second cutoff. Yours obviously has more
features.
I am curious as to if there would be anything preventing a Safety-Trim
from being inline between a VP-200 and TruTrak Auto Trim? The reason I
ask is that I'd like the speed change, which I don't believe the VP-200
has yet. Would the 3-second VP-200 cutoff interfere with the
Safety-Trim at all?
VP-200 -> Safety-Trim -> Auto Trim. Seems like a lot of "things" in
front of the pitch trim servo. :)
-Sean
> Regarding the run-away trim prevention feature of Safety-Trim vs that
> of Vertical Power: Although similiar they are not the same. The
> Safety-Trim system can be reset by clearing the fault in the control
> stick switch (ie the coolie hat or rocker switch) or if you really
> need more than 3 seconds worth of trim, just release the stick switch
> and press again to get up to 3 more seconds worth of trim. This mode
> of operation is protected by our recently issued patent. The VP
> system will disable the trim switch during this case and you must use
> the soft keys on VP control system screen to clear the "fault".
> This how I understand their system to work.
>
>
> Bob Newman
> TCW Technologies, LLC
> www.tcwtech.com
> builder # 40176
>
>
Message 14
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
My mistake. The VP-200 does adjust trim speed. Sorry.
On 9/21/10 6:19 PM, bob-tcw wrote:
>
> Regarding the use of Safety-Trim with TruTrak's autotrim feature:
> The Safety-Trim controller feeds into the TT autotrim module where the
> switch inputs would normally go. This allows all the benefits of
> speed control and run-away trim prevention provided by the
> Safety-Trimcontroller to protect the manual control portion of the
> trim system. When the autopilot needs to trim the plane it
> effectively takes trim authority away from the pilot for just the time
> required to get the plane trimmed, then returns the authority back to
> the Safety-Trim controller. The guys from TT will have to chime in
> on their autotrim reliability, I can't provide any details on that.
> However, we've had zero issues reported with the combined system.
>
>
> Regarding the run-away trim prevention feature of Safety-Trim vs that
> of Vertical Power: Although similiar they are not the same. The
> Safety-Trim system can be reset by clearing the fault in the control
> stick switch (ie the coolie hat or rocker switch) or if you really
> need more than 3 seconds worth of trim, just release the stick switch
> and press again to get up to 3 more seconds worth of trim. This mode
> of operation is protected by our recently issued patent. The VP
> system will disable the trim switch during this case and you must use
> the soft keys on VP control system screen to clear the "fault".
> This how I understand their system to work.
>
>
> Bob Newman
> TCW Technologies, LLC
> www.tcwtech.com
> builder # 40176
>
>
Message 15
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
VP does have the speed change at this time. I have had it working on
my airplane for several months. Works great.
David Maib
40559
Flying
On Sep 21, 2010, at 7:58 PM, Sean Stephens wrote:
Thanks Bob, I should have stated that it was different entirely,
but was just referring to the 3-second cutoff. Yours obviously has
more features.
I am curious as to if there would be anything preventing a Safety-
Trim from being inline between a VP-200 and TruTrak Auto Trim? The
reason I ask is that I'd like the speed change, which I don't believe
the VP-200 has yet. Would the 3-second VP-200 cutoff interfere with
the Safety-Trim at all?
VP-200 -> Safety-Trim -> Auto Trim. Seems like a lot of "things" in
front of the pitch trim servo. :)
-Sean
> Regarding the run-away trim prevention feature of Safety-Trim vs
> that of Vertical Power: Although similiar they are not the
> same. The Safety-Trim system can be reset by clearing the fault
> in the control stick switch (ie the coolie hat or rocker switch)
> or if you really need more than 3 seconds worth of trim, just
> release the stick switch and press again to get up to 3 more
> seconds worth of trim. This mode of operation is protected by our
> recently issued patent. The VP system will disable the trim
> switch during this case and you must use the soft keys on VP
> control system screen to clear the "fault". This how I
> understand their system to work.
>
>
> Bob Newman
> TCW Technologies, LLC
> www.tcwtech.com
> builder # 40176
>
>
Message 16
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
I believe if you would want to use all three products the VP-200 would
provide the power to the Safety-Trim and Autotrim (and autopilot) modules.
You wouldn't utilize the trim driving control aspect of the VP system. I
do believe that Marc has some type of trim speed control his in VP units,
don't know if its in all of them.
Bob Newman
Message 17
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Ya, I know. Please ignore everything I post. It's better for
everyone that way. :)
-Sean
do not archive
On 9/21/10 7:13 PM, David Maib wrote:
>
> VP does have the speed change at this time. I have had it working on
> my airplane for several months. Works great.
>
> David Maib
> 40559
> Flying
>
>
> On Sep 21, 2010, at 7:58 PM, Sean Stephens wrote:
>
>
> Thanks Bob, I should have stated that it was different entirely, but
> was just referring to the 3-second cutoff. Yours obviously has more
> features.
>
> I am curious as to if there would be anything preventing a Safety-Trim
> from being inline between a VP-200 and TruTrak Auto Trim? The reason
> I ask is that I'd like the speed change, which I don't believe the
> VP-200 has yet. Would the 3-second VP-200 cutoff interfere with the
> Safety-Trim at all?
>
> VP-200 -> Safety-Trim -> Auto Trim. Seems like a lot of "things" in
> front of the pitch trim servo. :)
>
> -Sean
>> Regarding the run-away trim prevention feature of Safety-Trim vs that
>> of Vertical Power: Although similiar they are not the same. The
>> Safety-Trim system can be reset by clearing the fault in the control
>> stick switch (ie the coolie hat or rocker switch) or if you really
>> need more than 3 seconds worth of trim, just release the stick switch
>> and press again to get up to 3 more seconds worth of trim. This mode
>> of operation is protected by our recently issued patent. The VP
>> system will disable the trim switch during this case and you must use
>> the soft keys on VP control system screen to clear the "fault".
>> This how I understand their system to work.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bob Newman
>> TCW Technologies, LLC
>> www.tcwtech.com
>> builder # 40176
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
Message 18
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Tim and all interested. The auto trim was very easy to install. It does work
with the TCW safety trim and trims in 3 sec intervals. So far
it has be great and worth every penny as I stated before. It took about 3
hours to install. I have attached some pictures that hopefully
will help. Also all wiring was done right by the Elevator trim servo. I did
wire directly into the trim servo wires going back to the trim servo
in the aft end of tailcone.
Geoff
RV-10 N829GW
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: performance
>
> Anyone comment on how much wiring for a retrofit there would be?
> Looks like it has a big connector.
>
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
> do not archive
>
>
> On 9/21/2010 2:38 PM, kevino wrote:
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "kevino"<kevino@worldwarehouse.com>
>>
>> Just to add another endorsement of the TT auto trim, i paid the 625 and
>> thought it was a bargain. Makes a huge difference shooting approaches.
>> Also added the safety trim which gives you two trim speeds which smooths
>> out any trim adjustments. I never see any out of trim indicator on the
>> TT.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313251#313251
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
Message 19
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Actually, keep it coming, you're not the only one who thinks this way.
Pascal
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Sean Stephens" <sean@stephensville.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 5:38 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: performance
>
> Ya, I know. Please ignore everything I post. It's better for
> everyone that way. :)
>
> -Sean
>
> do not archive
>
> On 9/21/10 7:13 PM, David Maib wrote:
>>
>> VP does have the speed change at this time. I have had it working on
>> my airplane for several months. Works great.
>>
>> David Maib
>> 40559
>> Flying
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sep 21, 2010, at 7:58 PM, Sean Stephens wrote:
>>
>>
>> Thanks Bob, I should have stated that it was different entirely, but
>> was just referring to the 3-second cutoff. Yours obviously has more
>> features.
>>
>> I am curious as to if there would be anything preventing a Safety-Trim
>> from being inline between a VP-200 and TruTrak Auto Trim? The reason
>> I ask is that I'd like the speed change, which I don't believe the
>> VP-200 has yet. Would the 3-second VP-200 cutoff interfere with the
>> Safety-Trim at all?
>>
>> VP-200 -> Safety-Trim -> Auto Trim. Seems like a lot of "things" in
>> front of the pitch trim servo. :)
>>
>> -Sean
>>> Regarding the run-away trim prevention feature of Safety-Trim vs that
>>> of Vertical Power: Although similiar they are not the same. The
>>> Safety-Trim system can be reset by clearing the fault in the control
>>> stick switch (ie the coolie hat or rocker switch) or if you really
>>> need more than 3 seconds worth of trim, just release the stick switch
>>> and press again to get up to 3 more seconds worth of trim. This mode
>>> of operation is protected by our recently issued patent. The VP
>>> system will disable the trim switch during this case and you must use
>>> the soft keys on VP control system screen to clear the "fault".
>>> This how I understand their system to work.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bob Newman
>>> TCW Technologies, LLC
>>> www.tcwtech.com
>>> builder # 40176
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
Message 20
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Keep in mind that you may end up tweaking the adjustment knob a few times to
get the autotrim dialed in. Put it someplace that's not too inconvenient to
access. Once it's dialed in, though, you'll never touch it again.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 6:40 PM, g.combs <g.combs@aerosportmodeling.com>wrote:
> Tim and all interested. The auto trim was very easy to install. It does
> work with the TCW safety trim and trims in 3 sec intervals. So far
> it has be great and worth every penny as I stated before. It took about 3
> hours to install. I have attached some pictures that hopefully
> will help. Also all wiring was done right by the Elevator trim servo. I did
> wire directly into the trim servo wires going back to the trim servo
> in the aft end of tailcone.
>
> Geoff
> RV-10 N829GW
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 4:46 PM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: performance
>
>
>>
>> Anyone comment on how much wiring for a retrofit there would be?
>> Looks like it has a big connector.
>>
>>
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>> On 9/21/2010 2:38 PM, kevino wrote:
>>
>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "kevino"<kevino@worldwarehouse.com>
>>>
>>> Just to add another endorsement of the TT auto trim, i paid the 625 and
>>> thought it was a bargain. Makes a huge difference shooting approaches. Also
>>> added the safety trim which gives you two trim speeds which smooths out any
>>> trim adjustments. I never see any out of trim indicator on the TT.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313251#313251
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
Other Matronics Email List Services
These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.
-- Please support this service by making your Contribution today! --
|