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1. 05:43 AM - Re: Enderes screwdriver redux - the perfect screwdriver (jkreidler)
2. 06:03 AM - Re: Re: Nosewheel Mod (Lew Gallagher)
3. 06:23 AM - Re: Re: Nosewheel Mod (Kelly McMullen)
4. 01:36 PM - Re: Re: Wisconsin ADS-B Rollout (Tim Olson)
5. 02:10 PM - Re: Re: Wisconsin ADS-B Rollout (Dave Saylor)
6. 02:11 PM - 406mhz ELT Prices (Sean Stephens)
7. 02:27 PM - Re: 406mhz ELT Prices (Tim Olson)
8. 02:46 PM - Re: 406mhz ELT Prices (davidsoutpost@comcast.net)
9. 03:03 PM - Re: 406mhz ELT Prices (Sean Stephens)
10. 03:04 PM - Re: 406mhz ELT Prices (Kelly McMullen)
11. 03:13 PM - Re: 406mhz ELT Prices (Bill Watson)
12. 03:31 PM - Re: 406mhz ELT Prices (Tim Olson)
13. 04:13 PM - Re: 406mhz ELT Prices (Pascal)
14. 04:23 PM - Re: 406mhz ELT Prices (n801bh@netzero.com)
15. 05:22 PM - Re: 406mhz ELT Prices (Tim Olson)
16. 05:58 PM - Re: 406mhz ELT Prices (Tim Olson)
17. 06:53 PM - Re: 406mhz ELT Prices (Pascal)
18. 07:42 PM - Re: 406mhz ELT Prices (Bob Turner)
19. 07:51 PM - Re: 406mhz ELT Prices (Patrick Thyssen)
20. 08:47 PM - Ballast? (Dawson-Townsend,Timothy)
21. 09:05 PM - Re: Ballast? (Dave Saylor)
22. 09:22 PM - Re: Ballast? (AirMike)
23. 09:48 PM - 406mhz ELT alternative. (Neil & Sarah Colliver)
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| Subject: | Re: Enderes screwdriver redux - the perfect screwdriver |
Another tip for getting out tough screws. Put a little valve lapping compound
on the tip of the screwdriver. This has saved me countless times.
--------
Jason Kreidler
4 Partner Build - Sheboygan Falls, WI
Tony Kolar, Kyle Hokel, Wayne Elser, Jason Kreidler
N44YH - Flying - #40617
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=314901#314901
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| Subject: | Re: Nosewheel Mod |
Hey Pascal,
I found mine at a local nut and bolt house -- let me know if you want me to
send you a couple.
Later, - Lew
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pascal" <rv10builder@verizon.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 10:39 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Nosewheel Mod
>
> I looked at AS&S and Vans for the SCREW 3/8-24X 2 1/2 and came up empty.
> Any leads where to get the screws would be appreciated.
> Thx
> Pascal
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| Subject: | Re: Nosewheel Mod |
Isn't that where brews and spirits are served. ;-)
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On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 6:00 AM, Lew Gallagher <lewgall@charter.net> wrote:
>
> Hey Pascal,
>
> I found mine at a local nut and bolt house -- let me know if you want me to
> send you a couple.
>
> Later, - Lew
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wisconsin ADS-B Rollout |
I thought I'd fill you all in on the new interface/integration that is
done now for NavWorx ADS600B.
The new integration is that now, if you have a GTX330 (and presumably
GTX327, although that isn't tested yet) transponder, you will will be
able to pass the ADS600B your squawk/ident/mode information without
having a panel-mounted control head.
One thing many people don't know about ADS-B is that the transmitter
broadcasts your info, just like a Mode S transponder, including
N-Number/ICAO code, squawk code, does IDENT, and there is a ALT mode and
Standby/GND mode too. In time, you will see NavWorx work with
experimental EFIS companies to provide a method of on-screen code
setting of the UAT, but that is one area where experimentals will
benefit over certified systems, as Garmin and others likely won't
make it so easy to interoperate with 3rd party system.
For today, you could operate those UAT's just squawking 1200 all the
time, and be fine, since they're not required anyway. But eventually
you'll need to fit and play nicely in the IFR system and have squawk
codes broadcast. That will likely mean, for many people, adding
a control head like a transponder face panel.
The integration that I just tested with the GTX330 transponder provides
for monitoring the Transponders functional mode and mimic-ing what it
does. If you squawk 1234, the UAT adopts that squawk. If you IDENT, so
does the UAT. If you hit STBY, the UAT stops transmitting, if you hit
ALT, the UAT starts transmitting. For GTX330/327 users, this is sweet.
No control head required and you have the benefit of only having to set
the squawk in one place...the transponder.
The GTX330 is the perfect transponder for this because it has ARINC
outputs, which will be nice because with ARINC out, you can have the
option of Composite TIS if you want, but it also feeds Pressure Altitude
to the UAT. Pressure altitude is NOT on the serial line coming out of
the GTX330's "REMOTE" format of data. The GTX330 also has 2 serial IN
and 2 serial OUT ports. On my install, the #1 pair is for my GNS480's
remote controlling of the transponder. My #2 IN is for the altitude
encoder. The #2 OUT is not used, but I used it set to "REMOTE" to
connect to the UAT, which is how the UAT gets the squawk info.
If you have a GTX327, it also has the REMOTE option, but, it only has 1
IN/OUT pair, and then a separate IN. This means that if you have a
GNS480, you'll have to split the REMOTE serial line OUT and use that
feed to the UAT. If you do not have a GNS480, you probably won't have
anything on Serial #1 anyway, so you can just turn on the OUT side to
"REMOTE" and use that. The #2 IN is used again for the encoder. The
GTX327 does not have any ARINC ports to provide Pressure Altitude to the
UAT. NavWorx does have the capability to add additional serial ports to
the box in the future or can re-purpose their RS-422 port
into an RS-232 encoder input. Presently, the above interface that I'm
talking about uses the ENCODER IN RS-232 channel, and in config mode you
can set it to "Transponder Control" instead. So if you already were
using the encoder input, the tranponder control won't work for you right
now. That is why the ARINC input is so nice. NavWorx did tell me that
they have a couple different ways to get more serial
capability if they need it, so 327 users will likely have all this
capability via RS-232 when they need it.
At any rate, I thought I'd fill you in on this cool interface now. I've
participated in some of the testing of their new software revs, and
particularly got to do a lot with this one.
So now you know the rest of the story...
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Wisconsin ADS-B Rollout |
I'll be all ears for the report on coverage in California!
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>
>
> I thought I'd fill you all in on the new interface/integration that is done
> now for NavWorx ADS600B.
>
> The new integration is that now, if you have a GTX330 (and presumably
> GTX327, although that isn't tested yet) transponder, you will will be able
> to pass the ADS600B your squawk/ident/mode information without having a
> panel-mounted control head.
>
> One thing many people don't know about ADS-B is that the transmitter
> broadcasts your info, just like a Mode S transponder, including
> N-Number/ICAO code, squawk code, does IDENT, and there is a ALT mode and
> Standby/GND mode too. In time, you will see NavWorx work with experimental
> EFIS companies to provide a method of on-screen code setting of the UAT, but
> that is one area where experimentals will
> benefit over certified systems, as Garmin and others likely won't
> make it so easy to interoperate with 3rd party system.
>
> For today, you could operate those UAT's just squawking 1200 all the time,
> and be fine, since they're not required anyway. But eventually you'll need
> to fit and play nicely in the IFR system and have squawk codes broadcast.
> That will likely mean, for many people, adding
> a control head like a transponder face panel.
>
> The integration that I just tested with the GTX330 transponder provides for
> monitoring the Transponders functional mode and mimic-ing what it does. If
> you squawk 1234, the UAT adopts that squawk. If you IDENT, so does the UAT.
> If you hit STBY, the UAT stops transmitting, if you hit ALT, the UAT starts
> transmitting. For GTX330/327 users, this is sweet.
> No control head required and you have the benefit of only having to set
> the squawk in one place...the transponder.
>
> The GTX330 is the perfect transponder for this because it has ARINC outputs,
> which will be nice because with ARINC out, you can have the option of
> Composite TIS if you want, but it also feeds Pressure Altitude to the UAT.
> Pressure altitude is NOT on the serial line coming out of the GTX330's
> "REMOTE" format of data. The GTX330 also has 2 serial IN and 2 serial OUT
> ports. On my install, the #1 pair is for my GNS480's remote controlling of
> the transponder. My #2 IN is for the altitude encoder. The #2 OUT is not
> used, but I used it set to "REMOTE" to connect to the UAT, which is how the
> UAT gets the squawk info.
>
> If you have a GTX327, it also has the REMOTE option, but, it only has 1
> IN/OUT pair, and then a separate IN. This means that if you have a GNS480,
> you'll have to split the REMOTE serial line OUT and use that feed to the
> UAT. If you do not have a GNS480, you probably won't have anything on Serial
> #1 anyway, so you can just turn on the OUT side to "REMOTE" and use that.
> The #2 IN is used again for the encoder. The GTX327 does not have any ARINC
> ports to provide Pressure Altitude to the UAT. NavWorx does have the
> capability to add additional serial ports to the box in the future or can
> re-purpose their RS-422 port
> into an RS-232 encoder input. Presently, the above interface that I'm
> talking about uses the ENCODER IN RS-232 channel, and in config mode you can
> set it to "Transponder Control" instead. So if you already were using the
> encoder input, the tranponder control won't work for you right now. That is
> why the ARINC input is so nice. NavWorx did tell me that they have a couple
> different ways to get more serial
> capability if they need it, so 327 users will likely have all this
> capability via RS-232 when they need it.
>
> At any rate, I thought I'd fill you in on this cool interface now. I've
> participated in some of the testing of their new software revs, and
> particularly got to do a lot with this one.
>
> So now you know the rest of the story...
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | 406mhz ELT Prices |
I just went out to look at ELTs and I was shocked by the price of the
406mhz variants. I know this is the "aviation market", but geesh. The
US has no 406mhz "requirement", correct? I believe Mexico has extended
the 406mhz requirement until Dec. 31, 2011. I know the whole concept of
spending a few more dollars for piece of mind, but man. $700-1800+ for
an ELT?
I'm not sure I'd ever fly outside the U.S. at this point, but who knows,
maybe I'll cross the 406mhz path when/if I get to that point and just go
121.5 until then? Maybe at that point the initial markup for a new
product will evaporate?
Have others just bitten the bullet and gone 406? Seems you could almost
add a 406 EPIRB to the 121.5 ELT and get piece of mind cheaper than
getting a 406 ELT.
-Sean #40303
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| Subject: | Re: 406mhz ELT Prices |
Don't SKIP on installing an ELT, but don't do a 121.5.
These guys are cheaper for the functionality:
http://www.ackavionics.com/406%20Page.html
It's been a looooooong process getting it all TSO'd in
the US, but if you can spare a few months, I'd wait and
just do this one. I have one on order right now, and
they have them in stock...they just need the TSO paperwork
complete. Once it's done, it should be about the most
affordable unit out there with all the good capabilities.
Then also, get yourself a PLB or SPOT as a handheld.
You'll find easy ways to talk yourself into the utility
of having something you can hand-carry while you're
over water, mountains, or anything else. It could
be a very handy device. There are many brands...I have
the one here in my write-up:
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/flights/20071111/index.html
Nothing too special but it has a nice neoprene
sleeve and all. If you get a nice 406 ELT, just get
a good working cheap PLB. Don't waste the time
and money on a 121.5 though.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 10/6/2010 4:09 PM, Sean Stephens wrote:
>
> I just went out to look at ELTs and I was shocked by the price of the
> 406mhz variants. I know this is the "aviation market", but geesh. The US
> has no 406mhz "requirement", correct? I believe Mexico has extended the
> 406mhz requirement until Dec. 31, 2011. I know the whole concept of
> spending a few more dollars for piece of mind, but man. $700-1800+ for
> an ELT?
>
> I'm not sure I'd ever fly outside the U.S. at this point, but who knows,
> maybe I'll cross the 406mhz path when/if I get to that point and just go
> 121.5 until then? Maybe at that point the initial markup for a new
> product will evaporate?
>
> Have others just bitten the bullet and gone 406? Seems you could almost
> add a 406 EPIRB to the 121.5 ELT and get piece of mind cheaper than
> getting a 406 ELT.
>
> -Sean #40303
>
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| Subject: | Re: 406mhz ELT Prices |
Tim,
Any pricing on this ELT? I can't seem to find it anywhere on their website.
David Clifford
RV-10 Builder
65% Done-95% To Go
N849RV (reserved)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@myrv10.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 6, 2010 5:23:45 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: 406mhz ELT Prices
Don't SKIP on installing an ELT, but don't do a 121.5.
These guys are cheaper for the functionality:
http://www.ackavionics.com/406%20Page.html
It's been a looooooong process getting it all TSO'd in
the US, but if you can spare a few months, I'd wait and
just do this one. I have one on order right now, and
they have them in stock...they just need the TSO paperwork
complete. Once it's done, it should be about the most
affordable unit out there with all the good capabilities.
Then also, get yourself a PLB or SPOT as a handheld.
You'll find easy ways to talk yourself into the utility
of having something you can hand-carry while you're
over water, mountains, or anything else. It could
be a very handy device. There are many brands...I have
the one here in my write-up:
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/flights/20071111/index.html
Nothing too special but it has a nice neoprene
sleeve and all. If you get a nice 406 ELT, just get
a good working cheap PLB. Don't waste the time
and money on a 121.5 though.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: 406mhz ELT Prices |
Here ya go...
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/elt406.php
On 10/6/10 4:43 PM, davidsoutpost@comcast.net wrote:
> Tim,
> Any pricing on this ELT? I can't seem to find it anywhere on their
> website.
>
> David Clifford
>
> RV-10 Builder
> 65% Done-95% To Go
> N849RV (reserved)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@myrv10.com>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, October 6, 2010 5:23:45 PM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: 406mhz ELT Prices
>
>
> Don't SKIP on installing an ELT, but don't do a 121.5.
> These guys are cheaper for the functionality:
>
> http://www.ackavionics.com/406%20Page.html
>
> It's been a looooooong process getting it all TSO'd in
> the US, but if you can spare a few months, I'd wait and
> just do this one. I have one on order right now, and
> they have them in stock...they just need the TSO paperwork
> complete. Once it's done, it should be about the most
> affordable unit out there with all the good capabilities.
>
> Then also, get yourself a PLB or SPOT as a handheld.
> You'll find easy ways to talk yourself into the utility
> of having something you can hand-carry while you're
> over water, mountains, or anything else. It could
> be a very handy device. There are many brands...I have
> the one here in my write-up:
>
> http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/flights/20071111/index.html
>
> Nothing too special but it has a nice neoprene
> sleeve and all. If you get a nice 406 ELT, just get
> a good working cheap PLB. Don't waste the time
> and money on a 121sp; -Matt Dralle,
> Li-==================================
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: 406mhz ELT Prices |
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/elt406.php
On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>
> Don't SKIP on installing an ELT, but don't do a 121.5.
> These guys are cheaper for the functionality:
>
> http://www.ackavionics.com/406%20Page.html
>
> It's been a looooooong process getting it all TSO'd in
> the US, but if you can spare a few months, I'd wait and
> just do this one. I have one on order right now, and
> they have them in stock...they just need the TSO paperwork
> complete. Once it's done, it should be about the most
> affordable unit out there with all the good capabilities.
>
> Then also, get yourself a PLB or SPOT as a handheld.
> You'll find easy ways to talk yourself into the utility
> of having something you can hand-carry while you're
> over water, mountains, or anything else. It could
> be a very handy device. There are many brands...I have
> the one here in my write-up:
>
> http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/flights/20071111/index.html
>
> Nothing too special but it has a nice neoprene
> sleeve and all. If you get a nice 406 ELT, just get
> a good working cheap PLB. Don't waste the time
> and money on a 121.5 though.
>
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
> do not archive
>
>
> On 10/6/2010 4:09 PM, Sean Stephens wrote:
>
>>
>> I just went out to look at ELTs and I was shocked by the price of the
>> 406mhz variants. I know this is the "aviation market", but geesh. The US
>> has no 406mhz "requirement", correct? I believe Mexico has extended the
>> 406mhz requirement until Dec. 31, 2011. I know the whole concept of
>> spending a few more dollars for piece of mind, but man. $700-1800+ for
>> an ELT?
>>
>> I'm not sure I'd ever fly outside the U.S. at this point, but who knows,
>> maybe I'll cross the 406mhz path when/if I get to that point and just go
>> 121.5 until then? Maybe at that point the initial markup for a new
>> product will evaporate?
>>
>> Have others just bitten the bullet and gone 406? Seems you could almost
>> add a 406 EPIRB to the 121.5 ELT and get piece of mind cheaper than
>> getting a 406 ELT.
>>
>> -Sean #40303
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 406mhz ELT Prices |
I've got this one on order too - and it's been a verrrrrry long
approval process. This was the lowest price one out there but I have no
doubt it will go up once it is available. And people like Tim and I are
HOPING that we get the original price.... whatever it was.
Maybe Tim remembers that price but maybe it's best left unstated.
Bill "ready to shoot some more paint" Watson
On 10/6/2010 5:43 PM, davidsoutpost@comcast.net wrote:
> Tim,
> Any pricing on this ELT? I can't seem to find it anywhere on their
> website.
>
> David Clifford
>
> RV-10 Builder
> 65% Done-95% To Go
> N849RV (reserved)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@myrv10.com>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, October 6, 2010 5:23:45 PM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: 406mhz ELT Prices
>
>
> Don't SKIP on installing an ELT, but don't do a 121.5.
> These guys are cheaper for the functionality:
>
> http://www.ackavionics.com/406%20Page.html
>
> It's been a looooooong process getting it all TSO'd in
> the US, but if you can spare a few months, I'd wait and
> just do this one. I have one on order right now, and
> they have them in stock...they just need the TSO paperwork
> complete. Once it's done, it should be about the most
> affordable unit out there with all the good capabilities.
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| Subject: | Re: 406mhz ELT Prices |
It's been a long time since I looked but I think it was under $600, like $55
0-595 Ish.
On Oct 6, 2010, at 4:43 PM, davidsoutpost@comcast.net wrote:
> Tim,
> Any pricing on this ELT? I can't seem to find it anywhere on their websit
e.
>
> David Clifford
>
> RV-10 Builder
> 65% Done-95% To Go
> N849RV (reserved)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@myrv10.com>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, October 6, 2010 5:23:45 PM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: 406mhz ELT Prices
>
>
> Don't SKIP on installing an ELT, but don't do a 121.5.
> These guys are cheaper for the functionality:
>
> http://www.ackavionics.com/406%20Page.html
>
> It's been a looooooong process getting it all TSO'd in
> the US, but if you can spare a few months, I'd wait and
> just do this one. I have one on order right now, and
> they have them in stock...they just need the TSO paperwork
> complete. Once it's done, it should be about the most
> affordable unit out there with all the good capabilities.
>
> Then also, get yourself a PLB or SPOT as a handheld.
> You'll find easy ways to talk yourself into the utility
> of having something you can hand-carry while you're
> over water, mountains, or anything else. It could
> be a very handy device. There are many brands...I have
> the one here in my write-up:
>
> http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/flights/20071111/index.html
>
> Nothing too special but it has a nice neoprene
> sleeve and all. If you get a nice 406 ELT, just get
> a good working cheap PLB. Don't waste the time
> and money on a 121sp; -Matt Dralle, Li-=======
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| Subject: | Re: 406mhz ELT Prices |
link says :
Undergoing certification testing, ACK is not accepting orders for the E-04
until ELT certification process is complete.
so how does one pre-order one of these things than?
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Sean Stephens" <sean@stephensville.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: 406mhz ELT Prices
>
> Here ya go...
>
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/elt406.php
>
> On 10/6/10 4:43 PM, davidsoutpost@comcast.net wrote:
>> Tim,
>> Any pricing on this ELT? I can't seem to find it anywhere on their
>> website.
>>
>> David Clifford
>>
>> RV-10 Builder
>> 65% Done-95% To Go
>> N849RV (reserved)
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@myrv10.com>
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 6, 2010 5:23:45 PM
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: 406mhz ELT Prices
>>
>>
>> Don't SKIP on installing an ELT, but don't do a 121.5.
>> These guys are cheaper for the functionality:
>>
>> http://www.ackavionics.com/406%20Page.html
>>
>> It's been a looooooong process getting it all TSO'd in
>> the US, but if you can spare a few months, I'd wait and
>> just do this one. I have one on order right now, and
>> they have them in stock...they just need the TSO paperwork
>> complete. Once it's done, it should be about the most
>> affordable unit out there with all the good capabilities.
>>
>> Then also, get yourself a PLB or SPOT as a handheld.
>> You'll find easy ways to talk yourself into the utility
>> of having something you can hand-carry while you're
>> over water, mountains, or anything else. It could
>> be a very handy device. There are many brands...I have
>> the one here in my write-up:
>>
>> http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/flights/20071111/index.html
>>
>> Nothing too special but it has a nice neoprene
>> sleeve and all. If you get a nice 406 ELT, just get
>> a good working cheap PLB. Don't waste the time
>> and money on a 121sp; -Matt Dralle,
>> Li-==================================
>>
>>
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 406mhz ELT Prices |
Personally I would hold off till they perfect the whole concept... As we
all know there have been several high profile plane crashes in Alaska t
his summer. To the best of my knowledge all of those aircraft were fitte
d with the 'new' latest and greatest 406 units. Not one worked as advert
ised and helped in saving anyone. My money is on the PLB's and SPOTs. IM
HO.
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
---------- Original Message ----------
From: Sean Stephens <sean@stephensville.com>
Subject: RV10-List: 406mhz ELT Prices
I just went out to look at ELTs and I was shocked by the price of the
406mhz variants. I know this is the "aviation market", but geesh. The
US has no 406mhz "requirement", correct? I believe Mexico has extended
the 406mhz requirement until Dec. 31, 2011. I know the whole concept of
spending a few more dollars for piece of mind, but man. $700-1800+ for
an ELT?
I'm not sure I'd ever fly outside the U.S. at this point, but who knows,
maybe I'll cross the 406mhz path when/if I get to that point and just go
121.5 until then? Maybe at that point the initial markup for a new
product will evaporate?
Have others just bitten the bullet and gone 406? Seems you could almost
add a 406 EPIRB to the 121.5 ELT and get piece of mind cheaper than
getting a 406 ELT.
-Sean #40303
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| Subject: | Re: 406mhz ELT Prices |
Some vendors were preordering for a period. I got mine from Dallas Avionics.
Tim
On Oct 6, 2010, at 6:10 PM, "Pascal" <rv10builder@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> link says :
> Undergoing certification testing, ACK is not accepting orders for the E-04 until
ELT certification process is complete.
>
>
> so how does one pre-order one of these things than?
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Sean Stephens" <sean@stephensville.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 3:00 PM
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: 406mhz ELT Prices
>
>>
>> Here ya go...
>>
>> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/elt406.php
>>
>> On 10/6/10 4:43 PM, davidsoutpost@comcast.net wrote:
>>> Tim,
>>> Any pricing on this ELT? I can't seem to find it anywhere on their website.
>>>
>>> David Clifford
>>>
>>> RV-10 Builder
>>> 65% Done-95% To Go
>>> N849RV (reserved)
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@myrv10.com>
>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 6, 2010 5:23:45 PM
>>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: 406mhz ELT Prices
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't SKIP on installing an ELT, but don't do a 121.5.
>>> These guys are cheaper for the functionality:
>>>
>>> http://www.ackavionics.com/406%20Page.html
>>>
>>> It's been a looooooong process getting it all TSO'd in
>>> the US, but if you can spare a few months, I'd wait and
>>> just do this one. I have one on order right now, and
>>> they have them in stock...they just need the TSO paperwork
>>> complete. Once it's done, it should be about the most
>>> affordable unit out there with all the good capabilities.
>>>
>>> Then also, get yourself a PLB or SPOT as a handheld.
>>> You'll find easy ways to talk yourself into the utility
>>> of having something you can hand-carry while you're
>>> over water, mountains, or anything else. It could
>>> be a very handy device. There are many brands...I have
>>> the one here in my write-up:
>>>
>>> http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/flights/20071111/index.html
>>>
>>> Nothing too special but it has a nice neoprene
>>> sleeve and all. If you get a nice 406 ELT, just get
>>> a good working cheap PLB. Don't waste the time
>>> and money on a 121sp; -Matt Dralle, Li-==================================
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>>
>>> *
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 406mhz ELT Prices |
I disagree as to holding off. If you hold off, you should expect
it to be YEARS before there is anything for improvement...probably
many years, as by now, most manufacturers have something on the
market and they will be unlikely to expand the models they offer
by much. ACK has proven that getting one through the paperwork
alone is a couple years. A PLB and SPOT I think are great things.
That's why I'd recommend one of those, too. If I have to ditch
in the ocean, I'd rather have a PLB...one that is waterproof and
I can take with me while the plane sinks. So there is a place
for them....in survivable accidents. On the bahamas trip, I
fastened mine to my life vest.
But for the unconcious factor, and more, I think that the
aircraft mounted ELT's really are a good thing and should
be mandatory. And, 406's will likely be better than the
121.5's. The flaw I see with them is one of the same
reasons I don't care much how my antenna is mounted horizontally...
You never know which way is up in the wrecked plane. And
you never know which way the antenna will need to be
exposed. In at least one of those recent crashes, I heard
the reason it didn't work is the plane was too ripped apart.
Well, that's a problem with having an ELT mounted to one
part of the fuselage, and the antenna mounted to another.
Those 2 things need to stay together. So I think it would
make more sense to have non-optimal antenna placement
perhaps, but have it be more guaranteed that both the
ELT and antenna will stay together. If they could
make that more reliable, the ELT's would probably be
more reliable too.
Is the lack of perfect reliability a reason not to buy one?
I don't think so...I think that's a reason to cover your
butt and buy a 406Mhz GPS integrated ELT *AND* a PLB....and
then I always have my APRS running, too.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 10/6/2010 6:20 PM, n801bh@netzero.com wrote:
> Personally I would hold off till they perfect the whole concept... As we
> all know there have been several high profile plane crashes in Alaska
> this summer. To the best of my knowledge all of those aircraft were
> fitted with the 'new' latest and greatest 406 units. Not one worked as
> advertised and helped in saving anyone. My money is on the PLB's and
> SPOTs. IMHO.
>
> do not archive
>
>
> Ben Haas
> N801BH
> www.haaspowerair.com
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: Sean Stephens <sean@stephensville.com>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: 406mhz ELT Prices
> Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 16:09:22 -0500
>
>
> I just went out to look at ELTs and I was shocked by the price of the
> 406mhz variants. I know this is the "aviation market", but geesh. The
> US has no 406mhz "requirement", correct? I believe Mexico has extended
> the 406mhz requirement until Dec. 31, 2011. I know the whole concept of
> spending a few more dollars for piece of mind, but man. $700-1800+ for
> an ELT?
>
> I'm not sure I'd ever fly outside the U.S. at this point, but who knows,
> maybe I'll cross the 406mhz path when/if I get to that point and just go
> 121.5 until then? Maybe at that point the initial markup for a new
> product will evaporate?
>
> Have others just bitten the bullet and gone 406? Seems you could almost
> add a 406 EPIRB to the 121.5 ELT and get piece of mind cheaper than
> getting
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| Subject: | Re: 406mhz ELT Prices |
I can see holding off as well, but mainly for a decrease in prices. I don't
see mandating a 406 in the aircraft however. Tim gives an example of no
guarantee it will even send a signal in a bad accident.
As a CAP member I know we only respond to reports from planes flying
overhead to 121.5. We haven't seen all that many 406 alarms, when we do they
are boats sitting in a dock.
With that said here is a perspective from AOPA-
http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/regulatory/elt.html
At $159 for a 121.5 ELT at Spruce, that gives limitations of being rescued
as Tim mentions , even ACK's 406 at high $500 is a huge gap. It's like
insurance; you can invest in the more expensive option now and "hope" you
don't need it but when out in a remote area and go down be glad (although
Alaska seems to fit this scenario and we know what that means for a 406 in
an aircraft)
My CAP members think I'm nuts to consider a 121.5 and use a PLB but for the
money this seems to be the smartest option for now because I know the PLB
will stay with me if I leave the aircraft at the top of the snow peaked
mountain and hence a better chance of survival.
If pricing was closer between the two I would go the 406 route, no doubt,
but I question if it's really worth the "investment". With the SPOT I can
give status reports too so assuming I do lose consciousness and never hit
the emergency button, family and authorities have my track to follow into
the general area. We located a hiker this way last week so unlike the Alaska
accident we know this works.
Many options and many reasons to chose one over another but I'm with Tim get
the PLB regardless of which ELT you get/have.
Pascal
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@myrv10.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 5:55 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: 406mhz ELT Prices
>
> I disagree as to holding off. If you hold off, you should expect
> it to be YEARS before there is anything for improvement...probably
> many years, as by now, most manufacturers have something on the
> market and they will be unlikely to expand the models they offer
> by much. ACK has proven that getting one through the paperwork
> alone is a couple years. A PLB and SPOT I think are great things.
> That's why I'd recommend one of those, too. If I have to ditch
> in the ocean, I'd rather have a PLB...one that is waterproof and
> I can take with me while the plane sinks. So there is a place
> for them....in survivable accidents. On the bahamas trip, I
> fastened mine to my life vest.
>
> But for the unconcious factor, and more, I think that the
> aircraft mounted ELT's really are a good thing and should
> be mandatory. And, 406's will likely be better than the
> 121.5's. The flaw I see with them is one of the same
> reasons I don't care much how my antenna is mounted horizontally...
> You never know which way is up in the wrecked plane. And
> you never know which way the antenna will need to be
> exposed. In at least one of those recent crashes, I heard
> the reason it didn't work is the plane was too ripped apart.
> Well, that's a problem with having an ELT mounted to one
> part of the fuselage, and the antenna mounted to another.
> Those 2 things need to stay together. So I think it would
> make more sense to have non-optimal antenna placement
> perhaps, but have it be more guaranteed that both the
> ELT and antenna will stay together. If they could
> make that more reliable, the ELT's would probably be
> more reliable too.
>
> Is the lack of perfect reliability a reason not to buy one?
> I don't think so...I think that's a reason to cover your
> butt and buy a 406Mhz GPS integrated ELT *AND* a PLB....and
> then I always have my APRS running, too.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
> do not archive
>
>
> On 10/6/2010 6:20 PM, n801bh@netzero.com wrote:
>> Personally I would hold off till they perfect the whole concept... As we
>> all know there have been several high profile plane crashes in Alaska
>> this summer. To the best of my knowledge all of those aircraft were
>> fitted with the 'new' latest and greatest 406 units. Not one worked as
>> advertised and helped in saving anyone. My money is on the PLB's and
>> SPOTs. IMHO.
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>> Ben Haas
>> N801BH
>> www.haaspowerair.com
>>
>> ---------- Original Message ----------
>> From: Sean Stephens <sean@stephensville.com>
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: 406mhz ELT Prices
>> Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 16:09:22 -0500
>>
>>
>> I just went out to look at ELTs and I was shocked by the price of the
>> 406mhz variants. I know this is the "aviation market", but geesh. The
>> US has no 406mhz "requirement", correct? I believe Mexico has extended
>> the 406mhz requirement until Dec. 31, 2011. I know the whole concept of
>> spending a few more dollars for piece of mind, but man. $700-1800+ for
>> an ELT?
>>
>> I'm not sure I'd ever fly outside the U.S. at this point, but who knows,
>> maybe I'll cross the 406mhz path when/if I get to that point and just go
>> 121.5 until then? Maybe at that point the initial markup for a new
>> product will evaporate?
>>
>> Have others just bitten the bullet and gone 406? Seems you could almost
>> add a 406 EPIRB to the 121.5 ELT and get piece of mind cheaper than
>> getting
>> a================================================================================================;
>> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS ================================================;
>> - List Contribution Web Site sp;
>> &nb==================================================
>>
>>
>>
>> ____________________________________________________________
>> *Mortgage Rates Hit 3.25%*
>> If you owe under $729k you probably qualify for Obama's Refi Program
>> <http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3242/4cad0433b4abb11fbc0st06vuc>SeeRefinanceRates.com
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| Subject: | Re: 406mhz ELT Prices |
I think a PLB plus a useless but needed to be legal 121.5 ELT is a good compromise,
except that it doesn't cover going to Canada or Mexico or, I guess, the Bahamas.
I haven't seen Ack's price list for replacement batteries, but I have seen some
others. Some of these Li replacement batteries that I have seen have a price
that will make you cry.
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RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | Re: 406mhz ELT Prices |
Now Ben, if you loose your engine, How long does it take to push that littl
e button to get a signal out? If you slam into a mountain that's a whole di
fferent thing.
-The 406 elt gave me a whole- lot warmer feeling while flying over the
mountains this summer, (with just one engine), knowing I could just press t
he button and someone would know that I needed help and where I was. I hope
.
-I agree, I will get a spot or PLB for Christmas or before next summer bi
g adventures. The point is you don't have to wait for the crash to activate
it.
-Just my stupid opion.
Patrick Thyssen
237hrs, off to ABQ for the weekend ballon fest
--- On Wed, 10/6/10, n801bh@netzero.com <n801bh@netzero.com> wrote:
From: n801bh@netzero.com <n801bh@netzero.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: 406mhz ELT Prices
Personally I would hold off till they perfect the whole concept... As we al
l know there have been several high profile plane crashes in Alaska this su
mmer. To the best of my knowledge all of those aircraft were fitted with th
e 'new' latest and greatest 406 units. Not one worked as advertised and hel
ped in saving anyone. My money is on the PLB's and SPOTs. IMHO.=0Ado not ar
chive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
---------- Original Message ----------
From: Sean Stephens <sean@stephensville.com>
Subject: RV10-List: 406mhz ELT Prices
-I just went out to look at ELTs and I was shocked by the price of the
406mhz variants. -I know this is the "aviation market", but geesh. -The
US has no 406mhz "requirement", correct? -I believe Mexico has extended
the 406mhz requirement until Dec. 31, 2011. -I know the whole concept of
spending a few more dollars for piece of mind, but man. $700-1800+ for
an ELT?
I'm not sure I'd ever fly outside the U.S. at this point, but who knows,
maybe I'll cross the 406mhz path when/if I get to that point and just go
121.5 until then? -Maybe at that point the initial markup for a new
product will evaporate?
Have others just bitten the bullet and gone 406? -Seems you could almost
add a 406 EPIRB to the 121.5 ELT and get piece of mind cheaper than
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What have folks used for ballast to do max gross weight and other c.g. test
ing during their Phase I period?
TDT
Tim Dawson-Townsend
RV-10 N52KS
APRS KB1URG
tdt@aurora.aero<mailto:tdt@aurora.aero>
617-500-4812 (office)
617-905-4800 (mobile)
smaller flight
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We keep a bunch of 50# bags of water softener salt in the shop. We use it
for ballast and for weighting down wing skins, etc. Plus I have a water
softener at home...
Salt is pretty cheap, about $5/bag. The plastic bags are more durable than
the paper sacks.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 8:44 PM, Dawson-Townsend,Timothy <
tdawson-townsend@aurora.aero> wrote:
> What have folks used for ballast to do max gross weight and other c.g.
> testing during their Phase I period?
>
>
> TDT
>
>
> Tim Dawson-Townsend
>
> RV-10 N52KS
>
> APRS KB1URG
>
> tdt@aurora.aero
>
> 617-500-4812 (office)
>
> 617-905-4800 (mobile)
>
> [image: smaller flight]
>
>
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I bought 75# of lead shot at Cabellas and put it in a plastic bag to keep the lead
dust away from inside the plane, but I found that I only needed 50# - I keep
it in a plastic bucket shock corded to the rear of the baggage area. That way
it is easy to remove when I need to load baggage
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Q/B - finally done
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| Subject: | 406mhz ELT alternative. |
We've had the 406 here in New Zealand for a couple of years now. In many cases
/ places, even once you push the alarm, you can still be waiting for a satellite
to come over & pick it up. ( a bit like RAIM outages, I think.) I have the
mandatory 406mhz ELT, but the Artex model currently has an AD as there have been
a number G switch failures. So we now have 6 month compulsory testing. (urgh
-more expense!)
I also have a couple of the very compact & neat McMurdo fastfinds for personal
use. The neoprene cover means it floats. Lovely & small, & I simply put it around
my neck if flying over water.
But our main device for safety is the Spidertracks. Although it costs a bit on
every flight, we have the comfort of knowing that the plane is tracked globally,
and that the emergency services are alerted pretty much instantly we press
the alarm.
Not only that but we also get global text messaging with it via bluetooth!
My wife loves it because she can track the plane via the web any time (or I can,
if she's flying.)
www.spidertracks.com
Neil
ZK-RVT
Now flying again after the 2 wettest months in memory.
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