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1. 03:12 AM - Re: Step 31 (Bob Leffler)
2. 08:11 AM - Re: Step 31 (Jesse Saint)
3. 08:33 AM - Re: Step 31 (Ron B.)
4. 08:41 AM - Re: Vinyl stripes? (Robin Marks)
5. 03:15 PM - Re: Vinyl stripes? (Rick Lark)
6. 03:31 PM - Re: Vinyl stripes? (Robin Marks)
7. 04:25 PM - Re: Step 31 (John Trollinger)
8. 04:47 PM - Re: Step 31 (Andy Turner)
9. 05:14 PM - New Aviation TV Show (Robin Marks)
10. 06:11 PM - Re: New Aviation TV Show (Seano)
11. 09:31 PM - Re: Copperstate RV10 Nest 2010 (woxofswa)
12. 09:38 PM - Re: Re: Copperstate RV10 Nest 2010 (Kelly McMullen)
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I agree with Rob. The ribs are ok, but it does appear that there may be a
problem with mounting the sub panel. Without pictures of the other
locations where the subpanel attaches to the panel, it's difficult to tell
where the issue may be.
bob
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Kochman
Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 1:06 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Step 31
Weird... would be good to see a couple pics of where that upper forward fuse
assembly is clecoed to the rest of the fuselage.
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 8:33 PM, Andy Turner <aturner@clarion.edu> wrote:
Weird thing happened this evening. I'm assembling and fitting the subpanel
and fwd fuse ribs. Everything has been going together very nicely and I'm
feeling good. Put the 7 deg bend in the subpanel, match drill it to the
angles and ribs, cleco it all together, and put it in the airplane. It
doesn't come close to fitting. Photos attached. ribs sit too high and don't
reach the firewall. It is like I have the wrong ribs. ????? I would bet that
I'm overlooking something simple, but after looking at the plans for a long
time, I can't figure out what it is. I'll call Van's next week, but till
then, any ideas?
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I'd try putting the skin on and see if it helps align things. It would seem to
me that the problem is in the sub-panel bend angle, maybe, which is keeping the
ribs from witting where they need to for the firewall attachment. I usually
cleco and rivet that structure to the skin off the plane and then install it
as one piece. You might want to try that with clecos and see if that helps with
the alignment. Adding the skin to the mix will help confirm whether you have
the right parts or something is wrong.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
On Oct 22, 2010, at 11:33 PM, Andy Turner wrote:
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> Weird thing happened this evening. I'm assembling and fitting the subpanel and
fwd fuse ribs. Everything has been going together very nicely and I'm feeling
good. Put the 7 deg bend in the subpanel, match drill it to the angles and ribs,
cleco it all together, and put it in the airplane. It doesn't come close
to fitting. Photos attached. ribs sit too high and don't reach the firewall. It
is like I have the wrong ribs. ????? I would bet that I'm overlooking something
simple, but after looking at the plans for a long time, I can't figure out
what it is. I'll call Van's next week, but till then, any ideas?
>
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The top of the firewall is bent forward. I don't see this in your photos. Might
be part of your alignment problem?
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Rick,
Even 5 years ago the proper vinyl material was pretty bullet
proof. If you see vinyl covered tour busses, taxi cabs etc=85 they hold up
pretty well. A company we have partial ownership in sent a Rock & Roll
mobile stage & tour bus out on the Warp Tour for 7+ years in a row crossing
the country setting up at various venues where stoned & drunken teens hung
out around, barfed on and in general abused the vehicle and the fully vinyl
covered vehicle looked pretty darn good after all that. That truck never sa
w
a garage or covered storage.. Also keep in mind that most planes look much
worse for wear after sitting outside for 5 years too. Heck if someone wante
d
my recommendation for a plane purchase and said it had to live outside I
would not recommend a Vans aircraft. Another difference is you can peel off
the vinyl whenever you want and replace for a heck of a lot less than a new
paint job.
One last word on vinyl. Since the original request was about
stripes I wanted to mention that not all stripes are the same. If someone
were to adhere thin vinyl stripes on a plane the chances of pealing or
sagging is a heck of a lot greater than placing a wide meaty stripe on that
has significantly more adhesive surface area. Something like a Stars & Bars
sticker is not going anywhere once it has cured on the metallic surface. If
someone were to place a large #8 on their tail it would probably stay in
place and give the owner no issues for a long time but if the owner had an
#8 printed on a large round circle say like a Billiard 8 Ball graphic that
baby is not going to be an issue for a decade.
Robin
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owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Rick Lark
*Sent:* Friday, October 22, 2010 6:36 PM
*To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
*Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Vinyl stripes?
Tim
Everytime I've seen vinyl used on aircraft, especially if sitting outside,
it faded to obvilion. Having said that I haven't any experience with it in
at least 5 years, materials may have improved.
Regards,
Rick
#40956
Southampton, Ont
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From: Dawson-Townsend,Timothy <tdawson-townsend@aurora.aero>
Subject: RV10-List: Vinyl stripes?
Received: Friday, October 22, 2010, 1:24 AM
Anyone out there use vinyl instead of paint for stripes or other swooshes o
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your aircraft paint scheme?
TDT
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| Subject: | Re: Vinyl stripes? |
Hmmmm........
Certainly does sound like the vinyl you're talking about must be tough
stuff. I'm far from an expert on vinyl, so I'm thinking the last A/C I
saw with it, must have used an inferior product. The paint was certainly
in a lot better shape than the vinyl used as an acent colour.
All I know is my -10 will be all paint.
Rick
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From: Robin Marks
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 11:36 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Vinyl stripes?
Rick,
Even 5 years ago the proper vinyl material was pretty
bullet proof. If you see vinyl covered tour busses, taxi cabs etc=85
they hold up pretty well. A company we have partial ownership in sent a
Rock & Roll mobile stage & tour bus out on the Warp Tour for 7+ years in
a row crossing the country setting up at various venues where stoned &
drunken teens hung out around, barfed on and in general abused the
vehicle and the fully vinyl covered vehicle looked pretty darn good
after all that. That truck never saw a garage or covered storage.. Also
keep in mind that most planes look much worse for wear after sitting
outside for 5 years too. Heck if someone wanted my recommendation for a
plane purchase and said it had to live outside I would not recommend a
Vans aircraft. Another difference is you can peel off the vinyl whenever
you want and replace for a heck of a lot less than a new paint job.
One last word on vinyl. Since the original request was
about stripes I wanted to mention that not all stripes are the same. If
someone were to adhere thin vinyl stripes on a plane the chances of
pealing or sagging is a heck of a lot greater than placing a wide meaty
stripe on that has significantly more adhesive surface area. Something
like a Stars & Bars sticker is not going anywhere once it has cured on
the metallic surface. If someone were to place a large #8 on their tail
it would probably stay in place and give the owner no issues for a long
time but if the owner had an #8 printed on a large round circle say like
a Billiard 8 Ball graphic that baby is not going to be an issue for a
decade.
Robin
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Lark
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 6:36 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Vinyl stripes?
Tim
Everytime I've seen vinyl used on aircraft, especially if
sitting outside, it faded to obvilion. Having said that I haven't any
experience with it in at least 5 years, materials may have improved.
Regards,
Rick
#40956
Southampton, Ont
--- On Fri, 10/22/10, Dawson-Townsend,Timothy
<tdawson-townsend@aurora.aero> wrote:
From: Dawson-Townsend,Timothy <tdawson-townsend@aurora.aero>
Subject: RV10-List: Vinyl stripes?
To: "rv10-list@matronics.com" <rv10-list@matronics.com>
Received: Friday, October 22, 2010, 1:24 AM
Anyone out there use vinyl instead of paint for stripes or
other swooshes on your aircraft paint scheme?
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My 10 is all paint too! J
Robin
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owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Rick Lark
*Sent:* Saturday, October 23, 2010 3:11 PM
*To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
*Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Vinyl stripes?
Hmmmm........
Certainly does sound like the vinyl you're talking about must be tough
stuff. I'm far from an expert on vinyl, so I'm thinking the last A/C I saw
with it, must have used an inferior product. The paint was certainly in a
lot better shape than the vinyl used as an acent colour.
All I know is my -10 will be all paint.
Rick
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Andy,
You need to cleco the ribs to the firewall, it will pull everything
together and create the slope that is made by the forward fuse.
John
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 11:08 AM, Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com> wrote:
>
> I'd try putting the skin on and see if it helps align things. It would seem to
me that the problem is in the sub-panel bend angle, maybe, which is keeping
the ribs from witting where they need to for the firewall attachment. I usually
cleco and rivet that structure to the skin off the plane and then install it
as one piece. You might want to try that with clecos and see if that helps with
the alignment. Adding the skin to the mix will help confirm whether you have
the right parts or something is wrong.
>
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> jesse@saintaviation.com
> C: 352-427-0285
> F: 815-377-3694
>
> On Oct 22, 2010, at 11:33 PM, Andy Turner wrote:
>
>>
>> Weird thing happened this evening. I'm assembling and fitting the subpanel and
fwd fuse ribs. Everything has been going together very nicely and I'm feeling
good. Put the 7 deg bend in the subpanel, match drill it to the angles and
ribs, cleco it all together, and put it in the airplane. It doesn't come close
to fitting. Photos attached. ribs sit too high and don't reach the firewall.
It is like I have the wrong ribs. ????? I would bet that I'm overlooking something
simple, but after looking at the plans for a long time, I can't figure out
what it is. I'll call Van's next week, but till then, any ideas?
>>
>> --------
>> Andy Turner
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=316733#316733
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>> Attachments:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscn4413a_149.jpg
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscn4412a_818.jpg
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Ron and John, you got it. I thought the firewall was flat. If I allow the upper
firewall to bend forward, it fits fine. Duh.
Thanks, -A
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Andy Turner
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| Subject: | New Aviation TV Show |
Just came across this TV show on DirecTV. First show featured SNF.
http://www.theaviators.tv/TheAviators.TV_-_Home.html
Darn, now I want to build one of these. Noooooooooooooooo:
http://aircam.com/gallery/
Robin
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| Subject: | Re: New Aviation TV Show |
I think jack roush crashed of these along with a p51 and a premier.
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 23, 2010, at 18:10, Robin Marks <robin@PaintTheWeb.com> wrote:
> Just came across this TV show on DirecTV. First show featured SNF.
>
> http://www.theaviators.tv/TheAviators.TV_-_Home.html
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> Darn, now I want to build one of these. Noooooooooooooooo:
>
> http://aircam.com/gallery/
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> Robin
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| Subject: | Re: Copperstate RV10 Nest 2010 |
Missed a lot of old friends this year, but made some new ones.
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Myron Nelson
Mesa, AZ
Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse in progress
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| Subject: | Re: Copperstate RV10 Nest 2010 |
And many thanks Myron for once again hosting a consumate lunch and
chance to swap ideas, tales and lies amongst other builders.
On 10/23/2010 9:28 PM, woxofswa wrote:
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> Missed a lot of old friends this year, but made some new ones.
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> Mesa, AZ
> Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse in progress
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