---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 10/23/10: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:12 AM - Re: Step 31 (Bob Leffler) 2. 08:11 AM - Re: Step 31 (Jesse Saint) 3. 08:33 AM - Re: Step 31 (Ron B.) 4. 08:41 AM - Re: Vinyl stripes? (Robin Marks) 5. 03:15 PM - Re: Vinyl stripes? (Rick Lark) 6. 03:31 PM - Re: Vinyl stripes? (Robin Marks) 7. 04:25 PM - Re: Step 31 (John Trollinger) 8. 04:47 PM - Re: Step 31 (Andy Turner) 9. 05:14 PM - New Aviation TV Show (Robin Marks) 10. 06:11 PM - Re: New Aviation TV Show (Seano) 11. 09:31 PM - Re: Copperstate RV10 Nest 2010 (woxofswa) 12. 09:38 PM - Re: Re: Copperstate RV10 Nest 2010 (Kelly McMullen) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:12:03 AM PST US From: "Bob Leffler" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Step 31 I agree with Rob. The ribs are ok, but it does appear that there may be a problem with mounting the sub panel. Without pictures of the other locations where the subpanel attaches to the panel, it's difficult to tell where the issue may be. bob From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Kochman Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 1:06 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Step 31 Weird... would be good to see a couple pics of where that upper forward fuse assembly is clecoed to the rest of the fuselage. On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 8:33 PM, Andy Turner wrote: Weird thing happened this evening. I'm assembling and fitting the subpanel and fwd fuse ribs. Everything has been going together very nicely and I'm feeling good. Put the 7 deg bend in the subpanel, match drill it to the angles and ribs, cleco it all together, and put it in the airplane. It doesn't come close to fitting. Photos attached. ribs sit too high and don't reach the firewall. It is like I have the wrong ribs. ????? I would bet that I'm overlooking something simple, but after looking at the plans for a long time, I can't figure out what it is. I'll call Van's next week, but till then, any ideas? -------- Andy Turner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=316733#316733 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscn4413a_149.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscn4412a_818.jpg ption, www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List ronics.com/" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com Matt Dralle, List Admin. ==== -- Rob Kochman RV-10 "Finishing" Kit Woodinville, WA (near Seattle) http://kochman.net/N819K ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:11:45 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Step 31 From: Jesse Saint I'd try putting the skin on and see if it helps align things. It would seem to me that the problem is in the sub-panel bend angle, maybe, which is keeping the ribs from witting where they need to for the firewall attachment. I usually cleco and rivet that structure to the skin off the plane and then install it as one piece. You might want to try that with clecos and see if that helps with the alignment. Adding the skin to the mix will help confirm whether you have the right parts or something is wrong. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com C: 352-427-0285 F: 815-377-3694 On Oct 22, 2010, at 11:33 PM, Andy Turner wrote: > > Weird thing happened this evening. I'm assembling and fitting the subpanel and fwd fuse ribs. Everything has been going together very nicely and I'm feeling good. Put the 7 deg bend in the subpanel, match drill it to the angles and ribs, cleco it all together, and put it in the airplane. It doesn't come close to fitting. Photos attached. ribs sit too high and don't reach the firewall. It is like I have the wrong ribs. ????? I would bet that I'm overlooking something simple, but after looking at the plans for a long time, I can't figure out what it is. I'll call Van's next week, but till then, any ideas? > > -------- > Andy Turner > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=316733#316733 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscn4413a_149.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscn4412a_818.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:33:10 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Step 31 From: "Ron B." The top of the firewall is bent forward. I don't see this in your photos. Might be part of your alignment problem? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=316761#316761 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:41:40 AM PST US From: Robin Marks Subject: RE: RV10-List: Vinyl stripes? Rick, Even 5 years ago the proper vinyl material was pretty bullet proof. If you see vinyl covered tour busses, taxi cabs etc=85 they hold up pretty well. A company we have partial ownership in sent a Rock & Roll mobile stage & tour bus out on the Warp Tour for 7+ years in a row crossing the country setting up at various venues where stoned & drunken teens hung out around, barfed on and in general abused the vehicle and the fully vinyl covered vehicle looked pretty darn good after all that. That truck never sa w a garage or covered storage.. Also keep in mind that most planes look much worse for wear after sitting outside for 5 years too. Heck if someone wante d my recommendation for a plane purchase and said it had to live outside I would not recommend a Vans aircraft. Another difference is you can peel off the vinyl whenever you want and replace for a heck of a lot less than a new paint job. One last word on vinyl. Since the original request was about stripes I wanted to mention that not all stripes are the same. If someone were to adhere thin vinyl stripes on a plane the chances of pealing or sagging is a heck of a lot greater than placing a wide meaty stripe on that has significantly more adhesive surface area. Something like a Stars & Bars sticker is not going anywhere once it has cured on the metallic surface. If someone were to place a large #8 on their tail it would probably stay in place and give the owner no issues for a long time but if the owner had an #8 printed on a large round circle say like a Billiard 8 Ball graphic that baby is not going to be an issue for a decade. Robin *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Rick Lark *Sent:* Friday, October 22, 2010 6:36 PM *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Vinyl stripes? Tim Everytime I've seen vinyl used on aircraft, especially if sitting outside, it faded to obvilion. Having said that I haven't any experience with it in at least 5 years, materials may have improved. Regards, Rick #40956 Southampton, Ont --- On *Fri, 10/22/10, Dawson-Townsend,Timothy * wrote: From: Dawson-Townsend,Timothy Subject: RV10-List: Vinyl stripes? Received: Friday, October 22, 2010, 1:24 AM Anyone out there use vinyl instead of paint for stripes or other swooshes o n your aircraft paint scheme? TDT * * * * *=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List* *et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com* *llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution* * * * * ===========* ===========* ===========* ===========* * * ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:15:45 PM PST US From: "Rick Lark" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Vinyl stripes? Hmmmm........ Certainly does sound like the vinyl you're talking about must be tough stuff. I'm far from an expert on vinyl, so I'm thinking the last A/C I saw with it, must have used an inferior product. The paint was certainly in a lot better shape than the vinyl used as an acent colour. All I know is my -10 will be all paint. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: Robin Marks To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 11:36 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Vinyl stripes? Rick, Even 5 years ago the proper vinyl material was pretty bullet proof. If you see vinyl covered tour busses, taxi cabs etc=85 they hold up pretty well. A company we have partial ownership in sent a Rock & Roll mobile stage & tour bus out on the Warp Tour for 7+ years in a row crossing the country setting up at various venues where stoned & drunken teens hung out around, barfed on and in general abused the vehicle and the fully vinyl covered vehicle looked pretty darn good after all that. That truck never saw a garage or covered storage.. Also keep in mind that most planes look much worse for wear after sitting outside for 5 years too. Heck if someone wanted my recommendation for a plane purchase and said it had to live outside I would not recommend a Vans aircraft. Another difference is you can peel off the vinyl whenever you want and replace for a heck of a lot less than a new paint job. One last word on vinyl. Since the original request was about stripes I wanted to mention that not all stripes are the same. If someone were to adhere thin vinyl stripes on a plane the chances of pealing or sagging is a heck of a lot greater than placing a wide meaty stripe on that has significantly more adhesive surface area. Something like a Stars & Bars sticker is not going anywhere once it has cured on the metallic surface. If someone were to place a large #8 on their tail it would probably stay in place and give the owner no issues for a long time but if the owner had an #8 printed on a large round circle say like a Billiard 8 Ball graphic that baby is not going to be an issue for a decade. Robin From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Lark Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 6:36 PM To: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: Vinyl stripes? Tim Everytime I've seen vinyl used on aircraft, especially if sitting outside, it faded to obvilion. Having said that I haven't any experience with it in at least 5 years, materials may have improved. Regards, Rick #40956 Southampton, Ont --- On Fri, 10/22/10, Dawson-Townsend,Timothy wrote: From: Dawson-Townsend,Timothy Subject: RV10-List: Vinyl stripes? To: "rv10-list@matronics.com" Received: Friday, October 22, 2010, 1:24 AM Anyone out there use vinyl instead of paint for stripes or other swooshes on your aircraft paint scheme? TDT =nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-Listet=_blank>h ttp://forums.matronics.comllow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution = Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browseDay Browse, Chat, FAQ, w.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?R V1====================== m">http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution============ ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:31:07 PM PST US From: Robin Marks Subject: RE: RV10-List: Vinyl stripes? My 10 is all paint too! J Robin *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Rick Lark *Sent:* Saturday, October 23, 2010 3:11 PM *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Vinyl stripes? Hmmmm........ Certainly does sound like the vinyl you're talking about must be tough stuff. I'm far from an expert on vinyl, so I'm thinking the last A/C I saw with it, must have used an inferior product. The paint was certainly in a lot better shape than the vinyl used as an acent colour. All I know is my -10 will be all paint. Rick ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:25:38 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Step 31 From: John Trollinger Andy, You need to cleco the ribs to the firewall, it will pull everything together and create the slope that is made by the forward fuse. John On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 11:08 AM, Jesse Saint wrote: > > I'd try putting the skin on and see if it helps align things. It would seem to me that the problem is in the sub-panel bend angle, maybe, which is keeping the ribs from witting where they need to for the firewall attachment. I usually cleco and rivet that structure to the skin off the plane and then install it as one piece. You might want to try that with clecos and see if that helps with the alignment. Adding the skin to the mix will help confirm whether you have the right parts or something is wrong. > > Jesse Saint > Saint Aviation, Inc. > jesse@saintaviation.com > C: 352-427-0285 > F: 815-377-3694 > > On Oct 22, 2010, at 11:33 PM, Andy Turner wrote: > >> >> Weird thing happened this evening. I'm assembling and fitting the subpanel and fwd fuse ribs. Everything has been going together very nicely and I'm feeling good. Put the 7 deg bend in the subpanel, match drill it to the angles and ribs, cleco it all together, and put it in the airplane. It doesn't come close to fitting. Photos attached. ribs sit too high and don't reach the firewall. It is like I have the wrong ribs. ????? I would bet that I'm overlooking something simple, but after looking at the plans for a long time, I can't figure out what it is. I'll call Van's next week, but till then, any ideas? >> >> -------- >> Andy Turner >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=316733#316733 >> >> >> >> >> Attachments: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscn4413a_149.jpg >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscn4412a_818.jpg >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:47:00 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Step 31 From: "Andy Turner" Ron and John, you got it. I thought the firewall was flat. If I allow the upper firewall to bend forward, it fits fine. Duh. Thanks, -A -------- Andy Turner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=316811#316811 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:14:21 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: New Aviation TV Show From: Robin Marks Just came across this TV show on DirecTV. First show featured SNF. http://www.theaviators.tv/TheAviators.TV_-_Home.html Darn, now I want to build one of these. Noooooooooooooooo: http://aircam.com/gallery/ Robin ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:11:28 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: New Aviation TV Show From: Seano I think jack roush crashed of these along with a p51 and a premier. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 23, 2010, at 18:10, Robin Marks wrote: > Just came across this TV show on DirecTV. First show featured SNF. > > http://www.theaviators.tv/TheAviators.TV_-_Home.html > > Darn, now I want to build one of these. Noooooooooooooooo: > > http://aircam.com/gallery/ > > > Robin > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:31:29 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Copperstate RV10 Nest 2010 From: "woxofswa" Missed a lot of old friends this year, but made some new ones. -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse in progress Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=316833#316833 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:38:49 PM PST US From: Kelly McMullen Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Copperstate RV10 Nest 2010 And many thanks Myron for once again hosting a consumate lunch and chance to swap ideas, tales and lies amongst other builders. On 10/23/2010 9:28 PM, woxofswa wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "woxofswa" > > Missed a lot of old friends this year, but made some new ones. > > > -------- > Myron Nelson > Mesa, AZ > Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse in progress > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=316833#316833 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.