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1. 02:21 AM - Re: Vinyl stripes? (Jerry Stark)
2. 05:30 AM - Re: Vinyl stripes? (Jack Phillips)
3. 05:45 AM - Re: Vinyl stripes? (Steven DiNieri)
4. 06:03 AM - Re: Vinyl stripes? (Linn Walters)
5. 07:24 AM - Re: Vinyl stripes? (Robin Marks)
6. 09:50 AM - Re: Vinyl stripes? (AirMike)
7. 11:57 AM - new paint shop in nc (Randy Pinkston)
8. 02:40 PM - Landing and taxi lights (aerosport1)
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Is the size of the Vinyl the only variable?
Is all Vinyl created equal or are some suppliers better than others?
--- On Sat, 10/23/10, Robin Marks <Robin@PaintTheWeb.com> wrote:
From: Robin Marks <Robin@PaintTheWeb.com>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Vinyl stripes?
=0A=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARick,=0A=0A=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2
-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- Even=0A5 years ago the proper vinyl
material was pretty bullet proof. If you see vinyl=0Acovered tour busses,
taxi cabs etc they hold up pretty well. A company=0Awe have partia
l ownership in sent a Rock & Roll mobile stage & tour bus=0Aout on the Warp
Tour for 7+ years in a row crossing the country setting up at=0Avarious ve
nues where stoned & drunken teens hung out around, barfed on and=0Ain gener
al abused the vehicle and the fully vinyl covered vehicle looked pretty=0Ad
arn good after all that. That truck never saw a garage or covered storage..
=0AAlso keep in mind that most planes look much worse for wear after sittin
g=0Aoutside for 5 years too. Heck if someone wanted my recommendation for a
plane=0Apurchase and said it had to live outside I would not recommend a V
ans aircraft.=0AAnother difference is you can peel off the vinyl whenever y
ou want and replace=0Afor a heck of a lot less than a new paint job.=0A=0A
=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- One=0Ala
st word on vinyl. Since the original request was about stripes I wanted to
=0Amention that not all stripes are the same. If someone were to adhere thi
n vinyl=0Astripes on a plane the chances of pealing or sagging is a heck of
a lot greater=0Athan placing a wide meaty stripe on that has significantly
more adhesive surface=0Aarea. Something like a Stars & Bars sticker is not
going anywhere once it=0Ahas cured on the metallic surface. If someone wer
e to place a large #8 on their=0Atail it would probably stay in place and g
ive the owner no issues for a long=0Atime but if the owner had an #8 printe
d on a large round circle say like a Billiard=0A8 Ball graphic that baby is
not going to be an issue for a decade.=0A=0A=C2-=0A=0ARobin=0A=0A=C2-
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Another comment or two on vinyl. I have vinyl stripes and logo on my
Pietenpol Air Camper, and am very happy with it. Of course a Pietenpol's
Mach 0.17 speed doesn't subject the vinyl to the speeds an RV-10 will, but
it is remarkably durable. However, you cannot do any graphics that require
a sharp point, particularly at the front. If your paint scheme requires a
sharp point on the front edge of a stripe, in vinyl it will be more like a
.25" radius.
Having said that, if you do choose vinyl, I highly recommend Denny Demeter
at Av/Grafix (http://avgrafix.com/) . He did a superb job and his products
are top notch. If you look at the picture second from the right on his
homepage, you can see my Pietenpol, and the way the tips of the "spear" on
the side of the fuselage are rounded.
Jack Phillips
Raleigh, NC
#40610 wings
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Stark
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 5:19 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Vinyl stripes?
Is the size of the Vinyl the only variable?
Is all Vinyl created equal or are some suppliers better than others?
--- On Sat, 10/23/10, Robin Marks <Robin@PaintTheWeb.com> wrote:
From: Robin Marks <Robin@PaintTheWeb.com>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Vinyl stripes?
Rick,
Even 5 years ago the proper vinyl material was pretty bullet
proof. If you see vinyl covered tour busses, taxi cabs etc. they hold up
pretty well. A company we have partial ownership in sent a Rock & Roll
mobile stage & tour bus out on the Warp Tour for 7+ years in a row crossing
the country setting up at various venues where stoned & drunken teens hung
out around, barfed on and in general abused the vehicle and the fully vinyl
covered vehicle looked pretty darn good after all that. That truck never saw
a garage or covered storage.. Also keep in mind that most planes look much
worse for wear after sitting outside for 5 years too. Heck if someone wanted
my recommendation for a plane purchase and said it had to live outside I
would not recommend a Vans aircraft. Another difference is you can peel off
the vinyl whenever you want and replace for a heck of a lot less than a new
paint job.
One last word on vinyl. Since the original request was about
stripes I wanted to mention that not all stripes are the same. If someone
were to adhere thin vinyl stripes on a plane the chances of pealing or
sagging is a heck of a lot greater than placing a wide meaty stripe on that
has significantly more adhesive surface area. Something like a Stars & Bars
sticker is not going anywhere once it has cured on the metallic surface. If
someone were to place a large #8 on their tail it would probably stay in
place and give the owner no issues for a long time but if the owner had an
#8 printed on a large round circle say like a Billiard 8 Ball graphic that
baby is not going to be an issue for a decade.
Robin
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| Subject: | Re: Vinyl stripes? |
Jerry,
the vinyl offered today varies from essentially junk to products
that will last outdoors for up to 12 years (if not more). I=99ve
been using the oracal stuff for many years. it=99s a very common
brand and should
be available to any graphics company. you could always buy your own
(ebay) and supply the guy cutting the vinyl for you to ensure you get
exactly what you want. I usually use the oracal 651,
which is a medium quality/price material that really works well. the
Cadillac is the 951 film, a bit more money but really bulletproof. (not
literally ;) heres a link so you can research it.
http://www.oracal.com/products/product.asp?seriesID=215&tabID=ts
steve dinieri
iflyrv10.com
From: Jerry Stark
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 5:18 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Vinyl stripes?
Is the size of the Vinyl the only variable?
Is all Vinyl created equal or are some suppliers better than
others?
--- On Sat, 10/23/10, Robin Marks <Robin@PaintTheWeb.com> wrote:
From: Robin Marks <Robin@PaintTheWeb.com>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Vinyl stripes?
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Date: Saturday, October 23, 2010, 10:36 AM
Rick,
Even 5 years ago the proper vinyl material was
pretty bullet proof. If you see vinyl covered tour busses, taxi cabs
etc they hold up pretty well. A company we have partial
ownership in sent a Rock & Roll mobile stage & tour bus out on the Warp
Tour for 7+ years in a row crossing the country setting up at various
venues where stoned & drunken teens hung out around, barfed on and in
general abused the vehicle and the fully vinyl covered vehicle looked
pretty darn good after all that. That truck never saw a garage or
covered storage.. Also keep in mind that most planes look much worse for
wear after sitting outside for 5 years too. Heck if someone wanted my
recommendation for a plane purchase and said it had to live outside I
would not recommend a Vans aircraft. Another difference is you can peel
off the vinyl whenever you want and replace for a heck of a lot less
than a new paint job.
One last word on vinyl. Since the original request
was about stripes I wanted to mention that not all stripes are the same.
If someone were to adhere thin vinyl stripes on a plane the chances of
pealing or sagging is a heck of a lot greater than placing a wide meaty
stripe on that has significantly more adhesive surface area. Something
like a Stars & Bars sticker is not going anywhere once it has cured on
the metallic surface. If someone were to place a large #8 on their tail
it would probably stay in place and give the owner no issues for a long
time but if the owner had an #8 printed on a large round circle say like
a Billiard 8 Ball graphic that baby is not going to be an issue for a
decade.
Robin
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| Subject: | Re: Vinyl stripes? |
On 10/25/2010 8:25 AM, Jack Phillips wrote:
>
> Another comment or two on vinyl. I have vinyl stripes and logo on my
> Pietenpol Air Camper, and am very happy with it. Of course a
> Pietenpol's Mach 0.17 speed doesn't subject the vinyl to the speeds an
> RV-10 will, but it is remarkably durable. However, you cannot do any
> graphics that require a sharp point, particularly at the front. If
> your paint scheme requires a sharp point on the front edge of a
> stripe, in vinyl it will be more like a .25" radius.
>
If you do end up with a narrow point in the front, a little dab of clear
paint will keep it nailed down. I've used clear Krylon applied with a
Q-tip with excellent results.
Linn
> Having said that, if you do choose vinyl, I highly recommend Denny
> Demeter at Av/Grafix (http://avgrafix.com/) . He did a superb job and
> his products are top notch. If you look at the picture second from
> the right on his homepage, you can see my Pietenpol, and the way the
> tips of the "spear" on the side of the fuselage are rounded.
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> Raleigh, NC
>
> #40610 wings
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:*owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Jerry Stark
> *Sent:* Monday, October 25, 2010 5:19 AM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: Vinyl stripes?
>
> Is the size of the Vinyl the only variable?
> Is all Vinyl created equal or are some suppliers better than others?
>
> --- On *Sat, 10/23/10, Robin Marks /<Robin@PaintTheWeb.com>/* wrote:
>
>
> From: Robin Marks <Robin@PaintTheWeb.com>
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Vinyl stripes?
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Date: Saturday, October 23, 2010, 10:36 AM
>
> Rick,
>
> Even 5 years ago the proper vinyl material was pretty
> bullet proof. If you see vinyl covered tour busses, taxi cabs etc...
> they hold up pretty well. A company we have partial ownership in sent
> a Rock & Roll mobile stage & tour bus out on the Warp Tour for 7+
> years in a row crossing the country setting up at various venues where
> stoned & drunken teens hung out around, barfed on and in general
> abused the vehicle and the fully vinyl covered vehicle looked pretty
> darn good after all that. That truck never saw a garage or covered
> storage.. Also keep in mind that most planes look much worse for wear
> after sitting outside for 5 years too. Heck if someone wanted my
> recommendation for a plane purchase and said it had to live outside I
> would not recommend a Vans aircraft. Another difference is you can
> peel off the vinyl whenever you want and replace for a heck of a lot
> less than a new paint job.
>
> One last word on vinyl. Since the original request was
> about stripes I wanted to mention that not all stripes are the same.
> If someone were to adhere thin vinyl stripes on a plane the chances of
> pealing or sagging is a heck of a lot greater than placing a wide
> meaty stripe on that has significantly more adhesive surface area.
> Something like a Stars & Bars sticker is not going anywhere once it
> has cured on the metallic surface. If someone were to place a large #8
> on their tail it would probably stay in place and give the owner no
> issues for a long time but if the owner had an #8 printed on a large
> round circle say like a Billiard 8 Ball graphic that baby is not going
> to be an issue for a decade.
>
> Robin
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I am sure not all vinyl is created equal (not even close). I would start by
asking some of the large companies that print and adhere vinyl on trucks an
d
tour busses. We hired a company out of Canada to do the tour bus and mobile
stage. That was 7 or 8 years ago. As a suggestion look for a supplier that
offers the perforated vinyl. Perforated vinyl is typically used for window
applications. I would suspect any company that makes the perforated vinyl i
s
probably a serious vendor in the marketplace. From there I would review
their solid vinyl offerings.
Robin
[image: http://www.gocitybus.com/graphics/beazer.jpg]
[image: http://www.uscoachways.com/images/mind/big-green-bus1.jpg]
*From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Jerry Stark
*Sent:* Monday, October 25, 2010 2:19 AM
*To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
*Subject:* RE: RV10-List: Vinyl stripes?
Is the size of the Vinyl the only variable?
Is all Vinyl created equal or are some suppliers better than others?
--- On *Sat, 10/23/10, Robin Marks <Robin@PaintTheWeb.com>* wrote:
From: Robin Marks <Robin@PaintTheWeb.com>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Vinyl stripes?
Rick,
Even 5 years ago the proper vinyl material was pretty bullet
proof. If you see vinyl covered tour busses, taxi cabs etc=85 they hold up
pretty well. A company we have partial ownership in sent a Rock & Roll
mobile stage & tour bus out on the Warp Tour for 7+ years in a row crossing
the country setting up at various venues where stoned & drunken teens hung
out around, barfed on and in general abused the vehicle and the fully vinyl
covered vehicle looked pretty darn good after all that. That truck never sa
w
a garage or covered storage.. Also keep in mind that most planes look much
worse for wear after sitting outside for 5 years too. Heck if someone wante
d
my recommendation for a plane purchase and said it had to live outside I
would not recommend a Vans aircraft. Another difference is you can peel off
the vinyl whenever you want and replace for a heck of a lot less than a new
paint job.
One last word on vinyl. Since the original request was about
stripes I wanted to mention that not all stripes are the same. If someone
were to adhere thin vinyl stripes on a plane the chances of pealing or
sagging is a heck of a lot greater than placing a wide meaty stripe on that
has significantly more adhesive surface area. Something like a Stars & Bars
sticker is not going anywhere once it has cured on the metallic surface. If
someone were to place a large #8 on their tail it would probably stay in
place and give the owner no issues for a long time but if the owner had an
#8 printed on a large round circle say like a Billiard 8 Ball graphic that
baby is not going to be an issue for a decade.
Robin
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| Subject: | Re: Vinyl stripes? |
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| Subject: | new paint shop in nc |
We have a new paint shop opening @ anson county nc KAFP 50 miles east of
charlotte...Est. price on rv 8 & rv 7 type planes 3 color is about 7995.00
. The guys name is gene mason & he has a lot of years painting ..He painted
my rv7 N705rp in 1995 & still looks great.His # is 704-984-0144...Lets try
to send him so work so we can keep someone close by to paint our great
planes. Randy Pinkston ..can call me also if need 704-438-1222
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| Subject: | Landing and taxi lights |
Taking a survey on were people like there taxi lights to be aimed on the runway.
How far out should one want the taxi light to project onto
the runway. 50 ft 100 ft? Anyone using the Duckworth lights were did you aim the
beam for taxi?
Thanks Geoff
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Geoff Combs
RV-10 QB N829GW
Flying
40033
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