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1. 02:16 AM - EFIS maintenance (DLM)
2. 02:24 AM - door maintenance (DLM)
3. 04:13 AM - Re: wire ties, NACA vents (Bob Leffler)
4. 05:53 AM - Re: EFIS maintenance (Kelly McMullen)
5. 10:24 AM - Re: wire ties, NACA vents (Rick Lark)
6. 11:27 AM - Re: wire ties, NACA vents (Lenny Iszak)
7. 12:56 PM - Re: wire ties, NACA vents (Bob Leffler)
8. 01:48 PM - Re: wire ties, NACA vents (johngoodman)
9. 03:25 PM - Re: Re: wire ties, NACA vents (Rick Lark)
10. 04:06 PM - Re: Re: wire ties, NACA vents (Rene)
11. 06:07 PM - Re: Overhead consoles and headliners (bob-tcw)
12. 08:55 PM - Oil Pressure? (Dawson-Townsend,Timothy)
13. 09:24 PM - Re: Oil Pressure? (DLM)
14. 11:49 PM - Re: Overhead consoles and headliners (Gordon Anderson)
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| Subject: | EFIS maintenance |
While attending a CFI refresher course, the instructor reminded everyone
that EFIS DB updates must go in a maintenance log; primarily referring
to certified aircraft and Garmin 430/480/530 etc... Anyone complying for
experimentals and in what fashion? for which devices?
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| Subject: | door maintenance |
As the 10 doors are opened and closed we have metal to metal contact
usually aluminum 6061T6 to same. In some cases it may be stainless and
aluminum. Has anyone measured the diameter of the pin to endure
sufficient wall thickness remains?
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| Subject: | wire ties, NACA vents |
Rick,
You'll probably get as many different responses as there are folks on this
list.
There is no hurry for the naca vents in the rear. The top skin is one of
the last items you rivet, so you can be 95% done with the whole aircraft and
still install the naca vents. I installed mine well after I attached the
empennage to the fuselage. You also want to check out Aerosport Products
naca vent controller <http://aerosportproducts.com/nacavalve.htm> .
I'm not sure what you mean by lightening hole wire ties. There are wire
ties, but none are specific for holes. I prefer adel clamps and lacing, but
you'll find folks that are just as satisfied with nylon wire ties. There
should be plenty in the archives debating the merit of both approaches and
using wire ties firewall forward. There is also a special grommet edging
for the holes to protect wiring from rubbing.
(http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/grommetedging.php) For
bringing wires through holes, I prefer using F-10111 (-R-L) and an adel
clamp. You can order the F-10111 from Vans or simply make your own. I've
included an excerpt from the plans that you probably don't have yet
(OP37-11) to show you.
For the locations of the antenna, there are also many opinions. You'll want
to understand the minimum distance required between each antenna. Do you
have a list of all the devices you'll need an antenna for? Be sure to
include all GPS antenna (you may have more than one) and other options like
XM and Navworx (ADS-B). My comm antenna are under the rear seat. Some
folks prefer one on the bottom and one on the top for better ground
communication. You'll want to keep about 3' between them. As far as the
NAV goes, I haven't decided on whether I'm going to locate it on the rear of
the empennage or in the top of the vertical. I've seen both install
locations. I've also seen the cat whisker type installed backwards too and
it seems to work ok. Commant's instructions stat that the whiskers should
point forward. Others have put something like Bob Archer's antenna in the
wing tips with mixed results. Some work great and some don't.
On the fairings, wait until you have the cable installed for precise
placement of the fairing. Then you can judge how forward or aft you want to
locate the fairing. I also used the fairings where the rudder cables come
out of the tunnel in the cabin.
Hope this helps...
Bob
http://mykitlog.com/rleffler
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Lark
Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2010 9:47 PM
Subject: RV10-List: wire ties, NACA vents
Hi all
I'm just starting to rivet my tail cone together and thinking am about add
ons for the interior of the tail cone. I am wondering where to purchase the
NACA vents that have been used to supply air to the overhead consoles? Also
the plastic or nylon lightening hole wire ties?
I'd also like anyones opinions on where to place doublers for Nav and Com
antennaes. I recall seeing a doubler near the aft end of the bottom skin
for a nav antennae. I also believe others have placed one com antennae on
the the bottom, but think they usually go under the baggage area?
As well I'd like to rivet the little Avery Tools rudder cable fairings to
the aft side skin and am wondering about placement over the long narrow oval
holes? I guess I'm wondering where the cable actually exits the skin?
Thx.
Rick
#40956
Southampton, Ont.
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| Subject: | Re: EFIS maintenance |
The discussion gets complicated by whether you are using the EFIS for
IFR or not. For IFR, the issue of certified vs experimental goes away.
Even in a certified plane there is no requirement for "maintenance
logs". The requirements are for "records". I'd suggest for your own
sanity that database updates and VOR checks be in a small spiral
notebook, not in an airframe logbook.
Kelly
On 10/31/2010 2:12 AM, DLM wrote:
> While attending a CFI refresher course, the instructor reminded
> everyone that EFIS DB updates must go in a maintenance log; primarily
> referring to certified aircraft and Garmin 430/480/530 etc... Anyone
> complying for experimentals and in what fashion? for which devices?
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| Subject: | wire ties, NACA vents |
Hi Bob.=C2- Thx for the advise.=C2-
=C2-
Looks like I'm jumping the gun a bit with the vents, so I'm glad to hear th
ey can go in much later.=C2- Do you know where to purchase the vents?=C2
- It takes lots of time to get things shipped up here in the "wilds of Ca
nada".
=C2-
I am concerned about the rudder cable fairings as I don't see how I'd get i
n there after the aft deck is in place, so I may take a chance and put them
in before I close up back there.=C2-
=C2-
With regards to the lightening hole wire ties, I got lucky this morning and
found them in the Panduit Co. web site.=C2- They are part # LHMS-S10, un
der the "cable management accessories>wire management mounts used with cabl
e ties>screws/rivet applied" part of the Panduit web site.=C2- I think th
ey're pretty slick.=C2- Just gotta find out who stocks them.
=C2-
I do know what I'm going to install as far as avionics, just got to decide
where I want the antenna's.=C2- If anyone has a picture of the rear mount
ed "cat's whisker", please let me know.
=C2-
Regards,
=C2-
Rick
#40956
=C2-
=C2-
=C2-
=C2-
--- On Sun, 10/31/10, Bob Leffler <rv@thelefflers.com> wrote:
From: Bob Leffler <rv@thelefflers.com>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: wire ties, NACA vents
Received: Sunday, October 31, 2010, 11:08 AM
Rick,
=C2-
You=99ll probably get as many different responses as there are folks
on this list.
=C2-
There is no hurry for the naca vents in the rear.=C2-=C2- The top skin
is one of the last items you rivet, so you can be 95% done with the whole a
ircraft and still install the naca vents.=C2-=C2- I installed mine well
after I attached the empennage to the fuselage.=C2-=C2- You also want
to check out Aerosport Products naca vent controller.
=C2-
I=99m not sure what you mean by lightening hole wire ties.=C2- Ther
e are wire ties, but none are specific for holes.=C2- I prefer adel clamp
s and lacing, but you=99ll find folks that are just as satisfied with
nylon wire ties.=C2- There should be plenty in the archives debating the
merit of both approaches and using wire ties firewall forward.=C2- There
is also a special grommet edging for the holes to protect wiring from rubb
ing. =C2-(http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/grommetedging.php
) =C2-For bringing wires through holes, I prefer using =C2-F-10111 (-R-
L) and an adel clamp.=C2- You can order the F-10111 from Vans or simply m
ake your own.=C2-=C2- I=99ve included an excerpt from the plans t
hat you probably don=99t have yet (OP37-11) to show you.
=C2-
=C2-
=C2-
For the locations of the antenna, there are also many opinions.=C2- You
=99ll want to understand the minimum distance required between each a
ntenna.=C2-=C2- Do you have=C2- a list of all the devices you
=99ll need an antenna for?=C2- Be sure to include all GPS antenna (you ma
y have more than one) and other options like XM and Navworx (ADS-B).=C2-
=C2- My comm antenna are under the rear seat.=C2- Some folks prefer one
on the bottom and one on the top for better ground communication.=C2- Yo
u=99ll want to keep about 3=99 between them.=C2- As far as th
e NAV goes, I haven=99t decided on whether I=99m going to locat
e it on the rear of the empennage or in the top of the vertical.=C2-=C2
- I=99ve seen both install locations. =C2-=C2-I=99ve also
seen the cat whisker type installed backwards too and it seems to work ok.
=C2- Commant=99s instructions stat that the whiskers should point f
orward.=C2-=C2- Others have put something like Bob Archer=99s ant
enna in the wing tips with mixed results.=C2- Some work
great and some don=99t.
=C2-
On the fairings, wait until you have the cable installed for precise placem
ent of the fairing.=C2- Then you can judge how forward or aft you want to
locate the fairing.=C2- I also used the fairings where the rudder cables
come out of the tunnel in the cabin.
=C2-
Hope this helps.
=C2-
Bob
http://mykitlog.com/rleffler
=C2-
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Lark
Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2010 9:47 PM
Subject: RV10-List: wire ties, NACA vents
=C2-
Hi all
=C2-
I'm=C2-just starting to=C2-rivet my tail cone together and thinking am
about add ons for the interior of the tail cone.=C2- I am wondering where
to purchase the NACA vents that have been used to supply air to the overhe
ad consoles?=C2- Also the plastic or nylon lightening hole wire ties?
=C2-
I'd also like anyones opinions on where to place=C2-doublers for Nav and
Com antennaes.=C2- I recall seeing a doubler near the aft end of the bott
om skin for a nav antennae.=C2- I also believe=C2-others have placed on
e com antennae on the the bottom, but think they usually go under the bagga
ge area?=C2-=C2-
=C2-
As well I'd like to rivet the little Avery Tools rudder cable fairings to t
he aft side skin and am wondering about placement over the long narrow oval
holes?=C2- I guess I'm wondering where the cable actually exits the skin
?
=C2-
Thx.=C2-=C2-
=C2-
Rick
#40956
Southampton, Ont. =C2-=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: wire ties, NACA vents |
Rick,
Mouser has those wire mounts:
http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panduit/LHMS-S10-D/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMuXpqUce5NjkbL3gaN3TcZpHd8Oc2kgTA4%3D
Lenny
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=317594#317594
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| Subject: | wire ties, NACA vents |
You can order the naca vents from Vans. SV-1 for the vent and sc-3 for
hose. Don=99t order their sv-5. Get the eyeball vents from
Steinair.
Until you put the horizontal and vertical on, you=99ve got plenty
of room to get a hand in to buck.
bob
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Lark
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 1:17 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: wire ties, NACA vents
Hi Bob. Thx for the advise.
Looks like I'm jumping the gun a bit with the vents, so I'm glad to hear
they can go in much later. Do you know where to purchase the vents? It
takes lots of time to get things shipped up here in the "wilds of
Canada".
I am concerned about the rudder cable fairings as I don't see how I'd
get in there after the aft deck is in place, so I may take a chance and
put them in before I close up back there.
With regards to the lightening hole wire ties, I got lucky this morning
and found them in the Panduit Co. web site. They are part # LHMS-S10,
under the "cable management accessories>wire management mounts used with
cable ties>screws/rivet applied" part of the Panduit web site. I think
they're pretty slick. Just gotta find out who stocks them.
I do know what I'm going to install as far as avionics, just got to
decide where I want the antenna's. If anyone has a picture of the rear
mounted "cat's whisker", please let me know.
Regards,
Rick
#40956
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| Subject: | Re: wire ties, NACA vents |
Rick,
Bob's advice is good. Get the naca vents from Van - I did. As far as the Avery
rudder cable fairings, I fretted like you and got them on as soon as I had the
cables in. Don't bother. Like Bob said, you can rivet them on just before the
tail feathers go on for the last time. As a suggestion, I riveted them, but it
occurred to me that using a little pro-seal or JB Weld would do a good job as
well. Also, you wouldn't need to drill holes. In my paint prep, the rudder cable
fairings required a little "fill" because of minor (but noticeable) bulging
between rivets.
John
--------
#40572 QB. Working on Cowling & Panel
N711JG reserved
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=317609#317609
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| Subject: | Re: wire ties, NACA vents |
All right then.....I can't argue with the advise of either of you John or B
ob, so I will wait on the rudder cable fairings.- I will have a look on V
ans web site again for those NACA vents.- I did look but-must have miss
ed them.- Thx to both of you...
-
Rick
#40956
--- On Sun, 10/31/10, johngoodman <johngoodman@earthlink.net> wrote:
From: johngoodman <johngoodman@earthlink.net>
Subject: RV10-List: Re: wire ties, NACA vents
Received: Sunday, October 31, 2010, 8:45 PM
Rick,
Bob's advice is good. Get the naca vents from Van - I did. As far as the Av
ery rudder cable fairings, I fretted like you and got them on as soon as I
had the cables in. Don't bother. Like Bob said, you can rivet them on just
before the tail feathers go on for the last time. As a suggestion, I rivete
d them, but it occurred to me that using a little pro-seal or JB Weld would
do a good job as well. Also, you wouldn't need to drill holes. In my paint
prep, the rudder cable fairings required a little "fill" because of minor
(but noticeable) bulging between rivets.
John
--------
#40572 QB. Working on Cowling & Panel
N711JG reserved
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=317609#317609
le, List Admin.
=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: wire ties, NACA vents |
I used proseal to put them on. Worked great and have held up well.
Rene'
801-721-6080
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of johngoodman
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 2:46 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: wire ties, NACA vents
--> <johngoodman@earthlink.net>
Rick,
Bob's advice is good. Get the naca vents from Van - I did. As far as the
Avery rudder cable fairings, I fretted like you and got them on as soon as I
had the cables in. Don't bother. Like Bob said, you can rivet them on just
before the tail feathers go on for the last time. As a suggestion, I riveted
them, but it occurred to me that using a little pro-seal or JB Weld would do
a good job as well. Also, you wouldn't need to drill holes. In my paint
prep, the rudder cable fairings required a little "fill" because of minor
(but noticeable) bulging between rivets.
John
--------
#40572 QB. Working on Cowling & Panel N711JG reserved
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=317609#317609
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| Subject: | Re: Overhead consoles and headliners |
Michael,
We went for the paint on our overhead console. I designed and molded my
own and wanted it to flow seamlessly into the canopy without any visible
fasteners. So glass work and body work and paint was the way for us.
Here's the photo trail...
http://picasaweb.google.com/rcnewman64/OverheadConsole#
Bob Newman
TCW Technologies, LLC.
www.tcwtech.com
N541RV. (sand-fill-sand-fill-paint-sand-etc....)
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Hmm. The engine has been pretty bullet-proof for 30 hours of test flying.
Then today I flew a couple of flights about 30-40 minutes each - no troubl
es.
Then on flight number three, after 15 minutes or so, I notice that Oil Pres
sure has dropped into the 50s. It dripped a little more, and eventually se
emed to stabilize between 43 and 48 as I headed back to the airport. Chang
ing the throttle or prop settings seemed to have minimal effect. As I got
down towards pattern altitude, it seemed to creep back up to the high 50s a
nd back over 60.
I haven't had time to pull the cowl off to look around, but there certainly
wasn't oil pouring out on the ramp, and there's 9 quarts on the dipstick.
Thoughts?
TDT
Tim Dawson-Townsend
RV-10 N52KS
APRS KB1URG
tdt@aurora.aero<mailto:tdt@aurora.aero>
617-500-4812 (office)
617-905-4800 (mobile)
smaller flight
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Pressure? |
what oil transducer are you using? possibly something is impeding the
signal to your engine management system.
----- Original Message -----
From: Dawson-Townsend,Timothy
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 8:51 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Oil Pressure?
Hmm. The engine has been pretty bullet-proof for 30 hours of test
flying. Then today I flew a couple of flights about 30-40 minutes each
- no troubles.
Then on flight number three, after 15 minutes or so, I notice that Oil
Pressure has dropped into the 50s. It dripped a little more, and
eventually seemed to stabilize between 43 and 48 as I headed back to the
airport. Changing the throttle or prop settings seemed to have minimal
effect. As I got down towards pattern altitude, it seemed to creep back
up to the high 50s and back over 60.
I haven't had time to pull the cowl off to look around, but there
certainly wasn't oil pouring out on the ramp, and there's 9 quarts on
the dipstick.
Thoughts?
TDT
Tim Dawson-Townsend
RV-10 N52KS
APRS KB1URG
tdt@aurora.aero
617-500-4812 (office)
617-905-4800 (mobile)
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| Subject: | Overhead consoles and headliners |
Hi folks,
I picked up on a comment yesterday about not wanting to have the overhead
console so close to the head. Is there an issue, either in the front or
rear seats? I'm 6ft 2".
Gordon Anderson
Switzerland, #41015 - Starting tailcone
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