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1. 05:22 AM - Re: Oil Lines Worn (John Cox)
2. 07:37 AM - Re: Oil Lines Worn (DLM)
3. 08:01 AM - Re: Door Strut Update (greghale)
4. 08:01 AM - Grounding Gretz control module (tsts4)
5. 08:15 AM - Re: Grounding Gretz control module (Geoff Combs)
6. 08:32 AM - Re: Grounding Gretz control module (rleffler)
7. 08:32 AM - Re: Grounding Gretz control module (Danny Riggs)
8. 08:46 AM - Re: Grounding Gretz control module (tsts4)
9. 09:04 AM - Re: Grounding Gretz control module (Pascal)
10. 09:06 AM - Re: Oil Lines Worn (Pascal)
11. 09:29 AM - Re: Grounding Gretz control module (tsts4)
12. 11:58 AM - quadrant throttle and mixture cable lengths (DLM)
13. 01:50 PM - Re: Oil Lines Worn (Scott Schmidt)
14. 02:14 PM - The entire Swiss RV-10 builder population in one workshop (Michael Wellenzohn)
15. 02:16 PM - Re: Oil Lines Worn (John Cumins)
16. 03:36 PM - Re: The entire Swiss RV-10 builder population in one workshop (John Gonzalez)
17. 03:55 PM - Battery breaker vs contactor (mmayfield)
18. 03:56 PM - headrest foam (Lenny Iszak)
19. 04:06 PM - Re: The entire Swiss RV-10 builder population in one workshop (Tim Olson)
20. 04:07 PM - Re: headrest foam (Tim Olson)
21. 04:22 PM - Re: Battery breaker vs contactor (Linn Walters)
22. 04:35 PM - Re: headrest foam (Seano)
23. 05:33 PM - Re: headrest foam (Lenny Iszak)
24. 05:41 PM - Re: Grounding Gretz control module (Kelly McMullen)
25. 06:16 PM - Re: headrest foam (Bob Turner)
26. 06:34 PM - Re: Oil Lines Worn (John Cox)
27. 07:14 PM - Re: headrest foam (Lenny Iszak)
28. 07:30 PM - Re: Grounding Gretz control module (Rick Lark)
29. 07:55 PM - Re: Grounding Gretz control module (Kelly McMullen)
30. 09:51 PM - Re: quadrant throttle and mixture cable lengths (Dave Saylor)
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Three of the last five Lycomings that I have had access to (with the cowl o
ff) have had damage. You pix was the worst. On a certificated engine the
most damage "permitted" is 10% of the tubings wall thickness. You were abo
ut 5x that. Kudos to Sean.
Hyrocarbons in proximity of an exhaust system would make for a bad day.
John Cox
From: Scott Schmidt
Sent: Mon 11/1/2010 3:02 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Oil Lines Worn
During this years annual it was discovered that the baffle rod that pushes
against the oil lines had worn a groove in two of them where the plastic bu
shing moved.
Here are more pictures of it. Just a heads up to check during those oil ch
anges.
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?p=481129#post481129
Like I mentioned in the thread, I think this occurred in the last 50-100 ho
urs because I typically check this anytime the bottom cowling is off.
I still need to thank Sean for seeing this. I had not checked the left sid
e of the engine yet and he was helping change the oil and caught it. I wou
ld hope I would have seen when I inspected the left side but it is always n
ice to have another pair of eyes check stuff out.
Scott Schmidt
scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Lines Worn |
Two things can be done to separate the lines from the baffling retainer.
remove and bend the lines and/or wrap the oil return lines with silicone
tape. Also when grouping CHT, EGT, etc , use the silicone tape to
separate them even if you tie wrap the lines. tie wraps should go
outside of the tape wrap.
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From: John Cox
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 5:15 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oil Lines Worn
Three of the last five Lycomings that I have had access to (with the
cowl off) have had damage. You pix was the worst. On a certificated
engine the most damage "permitted" is 10% of the tubings wall thickness.
You were about 5x that. Kudos to Sean.
Hyrocarbons in proximity of an exhaust system would make for a bad
day.
John Cox
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From: Scott Schmidt
Sent: Mon 11/1/2010 3:02 PM
To: RV-10 List
Subject: RV10-List: Oil Lines Worn
During this years annual it was discovered that the baffle rod that
pushes against the oil lines had worn a groove in two of them where the
plastic bushing moved.
Here are more pictures of it. Just a heads up to check during those
oil changes.
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?p=481129#post48112
9
Like I mentioned in the thread, I think this occurred in the last
50-100 hours because I typically check this anytime the bottom cowling
is off.
I still need to thank Sean for seeing this. I had not checked the
left side of the engine yet and he was helping change the oil and caught
it. I would hope I would have seen when I inspected the left side but
it is always nice to have another pair of eyes check stuff out.
Scott Schmidt
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| Subject: | Re: Door Strut Update |
The web link you supplied does not work.
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Greg Hale rv10 -- N210KH
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| Subject: | Grounding Gretz control module |
For those with a Gretz heated pitot, did you ground your Gretz locally on the wing
or did you run a dedicated ground wire back to a central grounding point?
After a quick test I couldn't get a good ground so I ran a dedicated wire. I then
discovered that the wing, sitting by itself in the cradle, won't generate
a ground--duh. Now that I know that I'm wondering if I should just go local (like
with the landing light) or leave the ground wire in-place place an move on.
Thoughts?
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Todd Stovall
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| Subject: | Grounding Gretz control module |
Todd I have my ground on a wing rib at it works great. All other grounds in
my plane are to a central grounding location
Geoff
Geoff Combs
President
Aerosport Modeling & Design
8090 Howe Industrial Parkway
Canal Winchester, Ohio 43110
614-834-5227p
614-834-5230f
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tsts4
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 10:59 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Grounding Gretz control module
For those with a Gretz heated pitot, did you ground your Gretz locally on
the wing or did you run a dedicated ground wire back to a central grounding
point?
After a quick test I couldn't get a good ground so I ran a dedicated wire.
I then discovered that the wing, sitting by itself in the cradle, won't
generate a ground--duh. Now that I know that I'm wondering if I should just
go local (like with the landing light) or leave the ground wire in-place
place an move on. Thoughts?
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Todd Stovall
728TT (reserved)
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| Subject: | Re: Grounding Gretz control module |
I'm with Geoff.......
Mine is grounded to a wing rib. While I'm not flying, I did spend many hours testing
the Pilot. It turned out that I had a bad control module and a pitot
that had an internal short. Fortunately, Andrew at Angus promptly addressed the
issue.
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Bob Leffler
N410BL - Finish
RV-10 #40684
http://mykitlog.com/rleffler
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| Subject: | Grounding Gretz control module |
You will get a lot less RFI if everything is wired back to a central ground
and not relying on the airframe. Airframe works as a ground but some of th
e interference in the radios that some people get is due to that method of
grounding.
> From: g.combs@aerosportmodeling.com
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Grounding Gretz control module
> Date: Tue=2C 2 Nov 2010 11:13:00 -0400
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.com>
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> Todd I have my ground on a wing rib at it works great. All other grounds
in
> my plane are to a central grounding location
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> Geoff
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> Geoff Combs
> President
> Aerosport Modeling & Design
> 8090 Howe Industrial Parkway
> Canal Winchester=2C Ohio 43110
> 614-834-5227p
> 614-834-5230f
> www.aerosportmodeling.com
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> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tsts4
> Sent: Tuesday=2C November 02=2C 2010 10:59 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Grounding Gretz control module
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> go local (like with the landing light) or leave the ground wire in-place
> place an move on. Thoughts?
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> 728TT (reserved)
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| Subject: | Re: Grounding Gretz control module |
Thanks guys.
Bob, your issue with the module was the very reason I was testing in the first
place while I still have the outboard skin off and easy access. Once I got the
darn thing to turn on I used a bag of ice and it seems to work just fine, cyclying
on and off as expected.
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Todd Stovall
728TT (reserved)
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| Subject: | Re: Grounding Gretz control module |
I have my wing in a cradle and have no problem testing the groung.
I use the positive from the battery to the item I am testing and ground the
end of the wing with the battery ground. Than I put the ground wire from the
pitot, landing light etc.. on the wing skin (not the area that is primed or
otherwise but literally the bare aluminum) and it has worked just fine for
me.
My plan is ground on the wings themselves. For avionics they all go to a
central ground in the sub panel area. Thus far there has not been any
issues, thus far my plane sits in the garage being assembled, if I have
problems once completely assembled I'll have to deal with the issue(s) and
take care of them than I just don't see any reason to have more connections
and wires than needed.
Pascal
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From: "tsts4" <tsts4@verizon.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 7:59 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Grounding Gretz control module
>
> For those with a Gretz heated pitot, did you ground your Gretz locally on
> the wing or did you run a dedicated ground wire back to a central
> grounding point?
>
> After a quick test I couldn't get a good ground so I ran a dedicated wire.
> I then discovered that the wing, sitting by itself in the cradle, won't
> generate a ground--duh. Now that I know that I'm wondering if I should
> just go local (like with the landing light) or leave the ground wire
> in-place place an move on. Thoughts?
>
> --------
> Todd Stovall
> 728TT (reserved)
> RV-10 Empacone, Wings, Fuse
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Lines Worn |
The next Sport Aviation has this method covered, be sure to review the
article for pictures and commentary.
From: DLM
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 7:33 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Oil Lines Worn
Two things can be done to separate the lines from the baffling retainer.
remove and bend the lines and/or wrap the oil return lines with silicone
tape. Also when grouping CHT, EGT, etc , use the silicone tape to
separate them even if you tie wrap the lines. tie wraps should go
outside of the tape wrap.
----- Original Message -----
From: John Cox
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 5:15 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oil Lines Worn
Three of the last five Lycomings that I have had access to (with the
cowl off) have had damage. You pix was the worst. On a certificated
engine the most damage "permitted" is 10% of the tubings wall thickness.
You were about 5x that. Kudos to Sean.
Hyrocarbons in proximity of an exhaust system would make for a bad
day.
John Cox
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From: Scott Schmidt
Sent: Mon 11/1/2010 3:02 PM
To: RV-10 List
Subject: RV10-List: Oil Lines Worn
During this years annual it was discovered that the baffle rod that
pushes against the oil lines had worn a groove in two of them where the
plastic bushing moved.
Here are more pictures of it. Just a heads up to check during those
oil changes.
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?p=481129#post48112
9
Like I mentioned in the thread, I think this occurred in the last
50-100 hours because I typically check this anytime the bottom cowling
is off.
I still need to thank Sean for seeing this. I had not checked the
left side of the engine yet and he was helping change the oil and caught
it. I would hope I would have seen when I inspected the left side but
it is always nice to have another pair of eyes check stuff out.
Scott Schmidt
scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
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| Subject: | Re: Grounding Gretz control module |
My problem was I wasn't grounding the wing itself to anything. I was only supplying
power from the power supply to the device and trying to ground locally without
running any kind of ground wire back to the power supply. Once I attached
a ground lead from my power supply to the wing skin (via an alligator clip),
bingo, I was able to ground both the pitot and my landing light to the wing structure.
However, before I had my electrical epiphany, I ran a dedicated ground wire for
the pitot and was about to do the same thing for the landing light. Now I'm
definitely not for the landing light and will probably yank the pitot ground wire
and just ground it locally. If I run into RFI issues in the future I can
go back and run dedicated grounds if I have to easily enough.
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Todd Stovall
728TT (reserved)
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| Subject: | quadrant throttle and mixture cable lengths |
The original throttle and mixture cable lengths are reported to be 45.5
and 49.5 inches. For my installation they are only adequate by routing
between the motor mount and engine. I routinely replace the external
protective covering of propylene tubing. I am thinking that if I replace
these cables with a longer version i can eliminate an item of routine
maintenance. What cable lengths are others using for the quadrant. The
prop cable supplied seem fine.
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Lines Worn |
I always say if something is worth doing, it is worth doing right. Glad to know
I am in the lead ;)
Sometimes it is embarrassing to air dirty laundry like this but hopefully we all
become more aware.
Scott Schmidt
scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
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From: John Cox <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
Sent: Tue, November 2, 2010 6:15:57 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oil Lines Worn
Three of the last five Lycomings that I have had access to (with the cowl off)
have had damage. You pix was the worst. On a certificated engine the most
damage "permitted" is 10% of the tubings wall thickness. You were about 5x
that. Kudos to Sean.
Hyrocarbons in proximity of an exhaust system would make for a bad day.
John Cox
________________________________
From: Scott Schmidt
Sent: Mon 11/1/2010 3:02 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Oil Lines Worn
During this years annual it was discovered that the baffle rod that pushes
against the oil lines had worn a groove in two of them where the plastic bushing
moved.
Here are more pictures of it. Just a heads up to check during those oil
changes.
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?p=481129#post481129
Like I mentioned in the thread, I think this occurred in the last 50-100 hours
because I typically check this anytime the bottom cowling is off.
I still need to thank Sean for seeing this. I had not checked the left side of
the engine yet and he was helping change the oil and caught it. I would hope I
would have seen when I inspected the left side but it is always nice to have
another pair of eyes check stuff out.
Scott Schmidt
scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
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| Subject: | The entire Swiss RV-10 builder population in one workshop |
Hello all,
at least this is something you guys in the USA won't be able to achieve.
All RV-10 builders in one workshop :D
Lorenz, Gordon, Werner and myself all in my workshop in Zrich
We hope to have the first one airborne next year if everything works out well.
Cheers
Michael
www.wellenzohn.net
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Scott
It is a very common occurrence for those line to chafe that way. Over the
years a s an A & P mechanic I have made numerous replacement lines. Most
just bend them up tords the cylinder a tad to prevent the chafing. On my
Saratoga the rod that holds the baffling to the cylinders. It is bent to
down to move the rod lower than the return lines. I can take some pics if
you like, I need to take the cowling off anyway this week or weekend. As
for pressure on that line there is very little it is a valve train oil
return line making a path for the oil from the rocker shafts and valves to
return to the case.
John G. Cumins
President
2499 B1 Martin Rd
Fairfield Ca 94534
707-425-7100
707-425-7576 Fax
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Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Oil Lines Worn
I always say if something is worth doing, it is worth doing right. Glad to
know I am in the lead ;)
Sometimes it is embarrassing to air dirty laundry like this but hopefully we
all become more aware.
Scott Schmidt
scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
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From: John Cox <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
Sent: Tue, November 2, 2010 6:15:57 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oil Lines Worn
Three of the last five Lycomings that I have had access to (with the cowl
off) have had damage. You pix was the worst. On a certificated engine the
most damage "permitted" is 10% of the tubings wall thickness. You were
about 5x that. Kudos to Sean.
Hyrocarbons in proximity of an exhaust system would make for a bad day.
John Cox
_____
From: Scott Schmidt
Sent: Mon 11/1/2010 3:02 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Oil Lines Worn
During this years annual it was discovered that the baffle rod that pushes
against the oil lines had worn a groove in two of them where the plastic
bushing moved.
Here are more pictures of it. Just a heads up to check during those oil
changes.
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?p=481129#post481129
Like I mentioned in the thread, I think this occurred in the last 50-100
hours because I typically check this anytime the bottom cowling is off.
I still need to thank Sean for seeing this. I had not checked the left side
of the engine yet and he was helping change the oil and caught it. I would
hope I would have seen when I inspected the left side but it is always nice
to have another pair of eyes check stuff out.
Scott Schmidt
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| Subject: | The entire Swiss RV-10 builder population in one workshop |
Send photos not just words.
> Subject: RV10-List: The entire Swiss RV-10 builder population in one work
shop
> From: rv-10@wellenzohn.net
> Date: Tue=2C 2 Nov 2010 14:12:02 -0700
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
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> Hello all=2C
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> at least this is something you guys in the USA won't be able to achieve.
> All RV-10 builders in one workshop :D
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> Lorenz=2C Gordon=2C Werner and myself all in my workshop in Z=C3=BCrich
> We hope to have the first one airborne next year if everything works out
well.
>
> Cheers
> Michael
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> www.wellenzohn.net
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| Subject: | Battery breaker vs contactor |
OK, so the aircraft we're talking about has a very simple electrical system. Day
VFR only, a comm, a transponder, a few miscellaneous widgets like boost pump,
smoke pump, engine monitor, a couple of solenoid valves, and the engine is the
venerable M14P which is an air start motor. So the battery is also correspondingly
small, and recharged by the B&C SK10 alternator.
The traditional basic electrical schematic has an avionics master but I'm discarding
this because, well, I just can't see why it is needed at all for this setup.
Any issues there?
This diagram is also drawn with no battery contactor, but a main battery circuit
breaker instead, and the master switch is 14AWG wire in one side and out the
other to the bus, I believe.
How does this rate compared to using a battery contactor instead? I do recall Bob
talking of this being a bit of an unconventional layout (regarding a B&C wiring
diagram a while back). Would it be better to specify a battery contactor
in a conventional arrangement, or for this system would it not matter too much?
Mike
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Does anyone know if the front seat headrest foam came with the kit or not?
I can't find them anywhere...
Lenny
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| Subject: | Re: The entire Swiss RV-10 builder population in one workshop |
It was there on a link at the bottom. Nice photo guys!
Tim
On Nov 2, 2010, at 5:29 PM, John Gonzalez <indigoonlatigo@msn.com> wrote:
> Send photos not just words.
>
> > Subject: RV10-List: The entire Swiss RV-10 builder population in one wor
kshop
> > From: rv-10@wellenzohn.net
> > Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 14:12:02 -0700
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
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> > Hello all,
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> > at least this is something you guys in the USA won't be able to achieve.
> > All RV-10 builders in one workshop :D
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> > Lorenz, Gordon, Werner and myself all in my workshop in Z=C3=83=C2=BCric
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> > We hope to have the first one airborne next year if everything works out
well.
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> > Cheers
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| Subject: | Re: headrest foam |
It did I'm pretty sure.
Tim
On Nov 2, 2010, at 5:54 PM, "Lenny Iszak" <lenard@rapiddecision.com> wrote:
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> Does anyone know if the front seat headrest foam came with the kit or not?
>
> I can't find them anywhere...
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> Lenny
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| Subject: | Re: Battery breaker vs contactor |
On 11/2/2010 6:53 PM, mmayfield wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "mmayfield"<mmayfield@ozemail.com.au>
>
> OK, so the aircraft we're talking about has a very simple electrical system.
Day VFR only, a comm, a transponder, a few miscellaneous widgets like boost pump,
smoke pump, engine monitor, a couple of solenoid valves, and the engine is
the venerable M14P which is an air start motor. So the battery is also correspondingly
small, and recharged by the B&C SK10 alternator.
>
> The traditional basic electrical schematic has an avionics master but I'm discarding
this because, well, I just can't see why it is needed at all for this
setup. Any issues there?
Not really. The avionics master came to life as a way to turn off all
the radios etc. at once instead of using each front panel switches.
There was a fear that starting and shutdown would cause spikes on the
buss that killed the avionics. May have been true, I don't know.
However, most all newer electronics have internal switching power
supplies and are relatively immune to that scenario. One downside to
having the avionics master was that the on/off switches were usually
volume controls, which stayed in one spot ..... and wore a hole in the
variable resistor part, creating a noisy spot or requiring replacement.
> This diagram is also drawn with no battery contactor, but a main battery circuit
breaker instead, and the master switch is 14AWG wire in one side and out the
other to the bus, I believe.
>
> How does this rate compared to using a battery contactor instead? I do recall
Bob talking of this being a bit of an unconventional layout (regarding a B&C
wiring diagram a while back). Would it be better to specify a battery contactor
in a conventional arrangement, or for this system would it not matter too much?
Typically, the battery master contactor was placed close to the battery
and had two jobs. #1 was to supply battery power to the aircraft, and
the starter, and #2 was to remove power to all things that might run
down the battery if left on. It also allowed the user to cut power if
there was a healthy short to ground and prevented ensuing fires. To
answer your question, it would be better to have the master contactor
available just for the safety issue.
Linn
BTW, you're not putting the M14P in the -10 are you??? :-D
> Mike
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| Subject: | Re: headrest foam |
Yep
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 2, 2010, at 16:54, "Lenny Iszak" <lenard@rapiddecision.com> wrote:
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> Does anyone know if the front seat headrest foam came with the kit or not?
>
> I can't find them anywhere...
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> Lenny
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| Subject: | Re: headrest foam |
Then I'll just have to look for them some more.
Thanks!
Lenny
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| Subject: | Re: Grounding Gretz control module |
Resistive loads like landing light and pitot heat do not generate RFI
since they operate on direct current. Only avionics and other electrical
items with pulsating current need a central ground. Lighting and other
resistive loads do not.
On 11/2/2010 8:28 AM, Danny Riggs wrote:
> You will get a lot less RFI if everything is wired back to a central
> ground and not relying on the airframe. Airframe works as a ground but
> some of the interference in the radios that some people get is due to
> that method of grounding.
>
> > From: g.combs@aerosportmodeling.com
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Grounding Gretz control module
> > Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 11:13:00 -0400
> >
> <g.combs@aerosportmodeling.com>
> >
> > Todd I have my ground on a wing rib at it works great. All other
> grounds in
> > my plane are to a central grounding location
> >
> > Geoff
> >
> > Geoff Combs
> > President
> > Aerosport Modeling & Design
> > 8090 Howe Industrial Parkway
> > Canal Winchester, Ohio 43110
> > 614-834-5227p
> > 614-834-5230f
> > www.aerosportmodeling.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tsts4
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 10:59 AM
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RV10-List: Grounding Gretz control module
> >
> >
> >
> > For those with a Gretz heated pitot, did you ground your Gretz
> locally on
> > the wing or did you run a dedicated ground wire back to a central
> grounding
> > point?
> >
> > After a quick test I couldn't get a good ground so I ran a dedicated
> wire.
> > I then discovered that the wing, sitting by itself in the cradle, won't
> > generate a ground--duh. Now that I know that I'm wondering if I
> should just
> > go local (like with the landing light) or leave the ground wire in-place
> > place an move on. Thoughts?
> >
> > --------
> > Todd Stovall
> > 728TT (reserved)
> > RV-10 Empacone, Wings, Fuse
> >
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| Subject: | Re: headrest foam |
You should have 4 pieces for each seat: cushion and seat back, plus the headrest
and a lumbar support (which gets glued to the seat back at a location depending
on your body). If I remember right these last two were together in one plastic
bag.
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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Never be embarrassed at sharing information which, when correctly acted
on leaves our friends flying safety and our insurance rates more
reasonable because the RV-10 becomes a proven work horse.
I still think often of Dan.... and his family.
John Cox
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Scott Schmidt
Sent: Tue 11/2/2010 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Oil Lines Worn
I always say if something is worth doing, it is worth doing right. Glad
to know I am in the lead ;)
Sometimes it is embarrassing to air dirty laundry like this but
hopefully we all become more aware.
Scott Schmidt
scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
________________________________
From: John Cox <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
Sent: Tue, November 2, 2010 6:15:57 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oil Lines Worn
Three of the last five Lycomings that I have had access to (with the
cowl off) have had damage. You pix was the worst. On a certificated
engine the most damage "permitted" is 10% of the tubings wall thickness.
You were about 5x that. Kudos to Sean.
Hyrocarbons in proximity of an exhaust system would make for a bad day.
John Cox
________________________________
From: Scott Schmidt
Sent: Mon 11/1/2010 3:02 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Oil Lines Worn
During this years annual it was discovered that the baffle rod that
pushes against the oil lines had worn a groove in two of them where the
plastic bushing moved.
Here are more pictures of it. Just a heads up to check during those oil
changes.
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?p=481129#post48112
9
Like I mentioned in the thread, I think this occurred in the last 50-100
hours because I typically check this anytime the bottom cowling is off.
I still need to thank Sean for seeing this. I had not checked the left
side of the engine yet and he was helping change the oil and caught it.
I would hope I would have seen when I inspected the left side but it is
always nice to have another pair of eyes check stuff out.
Scott Schmidt
scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
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| Subject: | Re: headrest foam |
Just found them tucked away in the hangar. For some reason I only kept the bottom
and the back cushions at home to play with.
Thanks!
Lenny
Bob Turner wrote:
> You should have 4 pieces for each seat: cushion and seat back, plus the headrest
and a lumbar support (which gets glued to the seat back at a location depending
on your body). If I remember right these last two were together in one plastic
bag.
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| Subject: | Re: Grounding Gretz control module |
As a point of interest, -with regards to grounding, I had a discusion wit
h Dean from AeroLeds (which I plan to install in my -10).- They specify s
hielded wire grounded at both ends.- It made me question Dean further.-
When he did his testing, he found that having both ends grounded gave the
least RFI emmission from their product.- It kind of threw me off the whol
e theory of a single point ground.-As Kelly states, resistive-grounds a
re different from Avionics type grounds.- Contact Dean for further explai
nation.
Regards,-
-
Rick
#40956
Southampton, Ont
-
-On Wed, 11/3/10, Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com> wrote:
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Grounding Gretz control module
Received: Wednesday, November 3, 2010, 12:36 AM
Resistive loads like landing light and pitot heat do not generate RFI since
they operate on direct current. Only avionics and other electrical items w
ith pulsating current need a central ground. Lighting and other resistive l
oads do not.
On 11/2/2010 8:28 AM, Danny Riggs wrote:
> You will get a lot less RFI if everything is wired back to a central grou
nd and not relying on the airframe. Airframe works as a ground but some of
the interference in the radios that some people get is due to that method o
f grounding.
>
> > From: g.combs@aerosportmodeling.com
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Grounding Gretz control module
> > Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 11:13:00 -0400
> >
ng.com>
> >
> > Todd I have my ground on a wing rib at it works great. All other ground
s in
> > my plane are to a central grounding location
> >
> > Geoff
> >
> > Geoff Combs
> > President
> > Aerosport Modeling & Design
> > 8090 Howe Industrial Parkway
> > Canal Winchester, Ohio 43110
> > 614-834-5227p
> > 614-834-5230f
> > www.aerosportmodeling.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tsts4
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 10:59 AM
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RV10-List: Grounding Gretz control module
> >
> >
> >
> > For those with a Gretz heated pitot, did you ground your Gretz locally
on
> > the wing or did you run a dedicated ground wire back to a central groun
ding
> > point?
> >
> > After a quick test I couldn't get a good ground so I ran a dedicated wi
re.
> > I then discovered that the wing, sitting by itself in the cradle, won't
> > generate a ground--duh. Now that I know that I'm wondering if I should
just
> > go local (like with the landing light) or leave the ground wire in-plac
e
> > place an move on. Thoughts?
> >
> > --------
> > Todd Stovall
> > 728TT (reserved)
> > RV-10 Empacone, Wings, Fuse
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=317858#317858
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| Subject: | Re: Grounding Gretz control module |
Yes, conventional strobes are a strong RFI generator that need shielding
exactly the way the manufacturer specifies.
Kelly
On 11/2/2010 7:26 PM, Rick Lark wrote:
> As a point of interest, with regards to grounding, I had a discusion
> with Dean from AeroLeds (which I plan to install in my -10). They
> specify shielded wire grounded at both ends. It made me question Dean
> further. When he did his testing, he found that having both ends
> grounded gave the least RFI emmission from their product. It kind of
> threw me off the whole theory of a single point ground. As Kelly
> states, resistive grounds are different from Avionics type grounds.
> Contact Dean for further explaination.
> Regards,
> Rick
> #40956
> Southampton, Ont
> On *Wed, 11/3/10, Kelly McMullen /<kellym@aviating.com>/* wrote:
>
>
> From: Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Grounding Gretz control module
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Received: Wednesday, November 3, 2010, 12:36 AM
>
> <kellym@aviating.com
> <http://ca.mc1207.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kellym@aviating.com>>
>
> Resistive loads like landing light and pitot heat do not generate
> RFI since they operate on direct current. Only avionics and other
> electrical items with pulsating current need a central ground.
> Lighting and other resistive loads do not.
>
>
> On 11/2/2010 8:28 AM, Danny Riggs wrote:
> > You will get a lot less RFI if everything is wired back to a
> central ground and not relying on the airframe. Airframe works as
> a ground but some of the interference in the radios that some
> people get is due to that method of grounding.
> >
> > > From: g.combs@aerosportmodeling.com
> <http://ca.mc1207.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=g.combs@aerosportmodeling.com>
> > > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> <http://ca.mc1207.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rv10-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Grounding Gretz control module
> > > Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 11:13:00 -0400
> > >
> <g.combs@aerosportmodeling.com
> <http://ca.mc1207.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=g.combs@aerosportmodeling.com>>
> > >
> > > Todd I have my ground on a wing rib at it works great. All
> other grounds in
> > > my plane are to a central grounding location
> > >
> > > Geoff
> > >
> > > Geoff Combs
> > > President
> > > Aerosport Modeling & Design
> > > 8090 Howe Industrial Parkway
> > > Canal Winchester, Ohio 43110
> > > 614-834-5227p
> > > 614-834-5230f
> > > www.aerosportmodeling.com
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> <http://ca.mc1207.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
> > > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> <http://ca.mc1207.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>]
> On Behalf Of tsts4
> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 10:59 AM
> > > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> <http://ca.mc1207.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rv10-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: RV10-List: Grounding Gretz control module
> > >
> > >
> <http://ca.mc1207.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=tsts4@verizon.net>>
> > >
> > > For those with a Gretz heated pitot, did you ground your Gretz
> locally on
> > > the wing or did you run a dedicated ground wire back to a
> central grounding
> > > point?
> > >
> > > After a quick test I couldn't get a good ground so I ran a
> dedicated wire.
> > > I then discovered that the wing, sitting by itself in the
> cradle, won't
> > > generate a ground--duh. Now that I know that I'm wondering if
> I should just
> > > go local (like with the landing light) or leave the ground
> wire in-place
> > > place an move on. Thoughts?
> > >
> > > --------
> > > Todd Stovall
> > > 728TT (reserved)
> > > RV-10 Empacone, Wings, Fuse
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Read this topic online here:
> > >
> > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=317858#317858
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| Subject: | Re: quadrant throttle and mixture cable lengths |
Cable lengths:
http://tinyurl.com/23m9ejx
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 11:55 AM, DLM <dlm34077@cox.net> wrote:
>
> The original throttle and mixture cable lengths are reported to be 45.5 and 49.5
inches. For my installation they are only adequate by routing between the
motor mount and engine. I routinely replace the external protective covering of
propylene tubing. I am thinking that if I replace these cables with a longer
version i can eliminate an item of routine maintenance. What cable lengths are
others using for the quadrant. The prop cable supplied seem fine.
>
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