---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 11/04/10: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:44 AM - Re: Airflow control on the Oil Cooler (Phillip Perry) 2. 10:02 AM - Re: Airflow control on the Oil Cooler (rleffler) 3. 10:31 AM - Re: Airflow control on the Oil Cooler (Jesse Saint) 4. 10:38 AM - Re: Door Strut Update (Eric_Kallio) 5. 11:20 AM - Re: Airflow control on the Oil Cooler (Lew Gallagher) 6. 12:36 PM - Nav antenna's (Rick Lark) 7. 03:48 PM - Re: Airflow control on the Oil Cooler (Bob Leffler) 8. 05:29 PM - Re: Nav antenna's (rv10flyer) 9. 05:59 PM - door safety latch (Chris Hukill) 10. 06:53 PM - Re: door safety latch (Aaron Gleixner) 11. 07:05 PM - Re: door safety latch (Deems Davis) 12. 07:16 PM - Re: The entire Swiss RV-10 builder population in one workshop (AirMike) 13. 07:21 PM - Re: door safety latch (David Maib) 14. 07:32 PM - Re: Nav antenna's (AirMike) 15. 07:56 PM - Re: Re: Nav antenna's (Sohrab Kermanj) 16. 08:09 PM - Re: Re: Nav antenna's (Rick Lark) 17. 08:16 PM - Re: door safety latch (LES KEARNEY) 18. 08:29 PM - Re: door safety latch (Steve DiNieri) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:44:52 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Airflow control on the Oil Cooler From: Phillip Perry Along the same lines, are there any pireps regarding Van's oil cooler vs others that are out there? Phil ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:02:15 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Airflow control on the Oil Cooler From: "rleffler" There seems to be a preference for the AirFlow Performance 2006X. Recalling stories from the RV-10 HQ at OSH, I believe that it keeps temps lower 10-15 degrees. But since I'm not flying yet, I have no first hand knowledge. bob -------- Bob Leffler N410BL - Finish RV-10 #40684 http://mykitlog.com/rleffler Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=318139#318139 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:31:17 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Airflow control on the Oil Cooler From: Jesse Saint Does anybody have a link for the people who sell the butterfly valve for the -10? do not archive Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com C: 352-427-0285 F: 815-377-3694 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:38:39 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Door Strut Update From: "Eric_Kallio" There is a comma after the .com. Remove it and the link works fine. Eric Kallio Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=318144#318144 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:20:58 AM PST US From: "Lew Gallagher" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Airflow control on the Oil Cooler Hey Jesse, Here's one: http://www.nonstopaviation.com/rv10_controller_cooler_p_14566.html?osCsid=3b72614996a7569bab65773be35830a5 Later, - Lew ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jesse Saint" Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 1:28 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Airflow control on the Oil Cooler > > Does anybody have a link for the people who sell the butterfly valve for > the -10? > > do not archive > > Jesse Saint > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:36:10 PM PST US From: Rick Lark Subject: RV10-List: Nav antenna's Hi all - I'm intending to install a Comant "cat whisker" style antenna in the tail o f my -10 and want to rivet a doubler in there before closing up the tail. - Can anyone provide a bolt or screw pattern for me and the size of nut p lates required to secure it?- The antenna is a CI 157P or possibly the CI 158C which is the removable element version.- I've searched the web but can't seem to find anything.- Thx. - Rick #40956 Southampton, Ont=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:48:46 PM PST US From: "Bob Leffler" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Airflow control on the Oil Cooler Nonstopaviation.com and it's resold by Avery too. bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 1:28 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Airflow control on the Oil Cooler Does anybody have a link for the people who sell the butterfly valve for the -10? do not archive Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com C: 352-427-0285 F: 815-377-3694 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:29:49 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Nav antenna's From: "rv10flyer" Use #8 nutplates with flat head hardware. If your vee dipole is going to be forward like mine then the two holes in front are closer together than the two in the rear. Here is the dimensions: Distance between two front holes= 1.000"; dist between two rear holes= 1.300"; dist between front set and rear set of holes= 1.625"; you will need 0.575" hole for connector that will be drilled 0.865" from front set of holes and 0.760" from rear set of holes. Connector hole is centered left to right. -------- Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08 Grayson, KY Bldr# 40983 Ord complete kit 8/24/09; DB Sch del 11/20/09 Emp 12/01/09-3/14/10 332 hrs Wings 3/14/10-9/18/10 360 hrs Fuselage 9/21/10- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=318195#318195 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:59:01 PM PST US From: "Chris Hukill" Subject: RV10-List: door safety latch Has anyone come up with a cool CNC machined replacement for the C1018 safety latch that Vans provides for the door service bulletin? Can I buy a couple? I also wonder why the latch is installed in the center of the door, instead of the front, near the handle. Maybe the idea is that the rear seat pax can reach it there, with an unconscious co-pilot after a wreck. But the forward location would allow the front seater to reach it without turning or reaching behind them during normal ops or an emergency. Also the fact that it is forward would maybe provide more security for it's designed function, that is keeping the door from opening and flying off the airplane. If the door is held in the center, due to the failure of the primary latches, it could flex quite a bit, and maybe catch the wind enough to tear off the airplane. If the safety latch is forward, then the small partial opening in the front should not allow the air to get behind the door, flex it, and create havoc. Anyone deviate from the plans? I'm getting ready to cut some holes, and would like a discussion on this. Doors are kicking my #!**? Chris Hukill ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:53:52 PM PST US From: Aaron Gleixner Subject: Re: RV10-List: door safety latch Chris,=0A=0AI installed the Van's latch to plans, and have- about 80 hour s with it.- Its not =0Ahard to open from inside or outside, and the latch allows the door to stay-open =0Aa little on hot days.- =0A=0A=0AThe on ly concern I have to date is recently I got a little agressive on the =0Aru nup with just the safety latch engaged, and the door flew open.- With thi s =0Ahappening on a ground runup with just the prop blast, I have serious d oubts it =0Awould hold if the main latch failed in flight.- I suspect the door would open =0Ajust enough for the wind to grab it, flex it, and tear it off.=0A=0ANow its possible that my install is not exactly like others, b ut after that =0Aincident, I now assume the safety latch will be ineffectiv e.- I might start to =0Afeel a little better if there are a few real exam ples of this latch working in =0Aflight.=0A=0AIf I had to do it again, I wo uld bite the bullet and buy one of the 3rd party =0Aoptions being offered. - Their secondary benefits-are that there is just one =0Ahandle to move in an emergency, and they suck the door tight prior to engaging =0Athe pin s.=0A=0AJust my 2 cents.=0A=0AAaron=0A-=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A___________________ _____________=0AFrom: Chris Hukill =0ATo: rv10-list@matro nics.com=0ASent: Thu, November 4, 2010 8:55:06 PM=0ASubject: RV10-List: doo r safety latch=0A=0A=0AHas anyone come up with a cool CNC machined replacem ent for the C1018 safety =0Alatch that Vans provides for the door service b ulletin? =0A=0ACan I buy a couple?=0AI also wonder why the latch is install ed in the center of the door, instead of =0Athe front, near the handle. May be the idea is that the rear seat pax can reach =0Ait there, with an uncons cious co-pilot after a wreck.-But the =0Aforward-location--would al low the-front seater to reach it without turning or =0Areaching behind th em-during normal ops or an emergency.=0AAlso the fact that it is forward would maybe provide more security for it's =0Adesigned function, that is ke eping the door from opening and flying off the =0Aairplane. If the door is held in the center,-due-to the failure of the primary =0Alatches, it co uld flex quite a bit,--and maybe catch the wind enough to tear off =0At he airplane. If the safety latch is forward, then the--small partial op ening in =0Athe front should not allow the air to get behind the door, flex it, and create =0Ahavoc.=0AAnyone deviate from the plans? I'm getting read y to cut some holes, and would =0Alike a discussion on this.=0A-=0ADoors ================= =0A ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:05:23 PM PST US From: Deems Davis Subject: Re: RV10-List: door safety latch Aaron, Great feedback! exactly the type of thing that makes this forum so valuable. Deems On 11/4/2010 6:49 PM, Aaron Gleixner wrote: > Chris, > I installed the Van's latch to plans, and have about 80 hours with > it. Its not hard to open from inside or outside, and the latch allows > the door to stay open a little on hot days. > The only concern I have to date is recently I got a little agressive > on the runup with just the safety latch engaged, and the door flew > open. With this happening on a ground runup with just the prop blast, > I have serious doubts it would hold if the main latch failed in > flight. I suspect the door would open just enough for the wind to > grab it, flex it, and tear it off. > Now its possible that my install is not exactly like others, but after > that incident, I now assume the safety latch will be ineffective. I > might start to feel a little better if there are a few real examples > of this latch working in flight. > If I had to do it again, I would bite the bullet and buy one of the > 3rd party options being offered. Their secondary benefits are that > there is just one handle to move in an emergency, and they suck the > door tight prior to engaging the pins. > Just my 2 cents. > Aaron > *== > * ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:16:59 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: The entire Swiss RV-10 builder population in one workshop From: "AirMike" Vas is das - no Leiderhosen or funny hats ! -------- See you OSH '11 Q/B - flying 1 yr+ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=318205#318205 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:21:10 PM PST US From: David Maib Subject: Re: RV10-List: door safety latch Thanks for this info Aaron. I really appreciate hearing some "real world" experience. David Maib 40559 Flying On Nov 4, 2010, at 9:49 PM, Aaron Gleixner wrote: Chris, I installed the Van's latch to plans, and have about 80 hours with it. Its not hard to open from inside or outside, and the latch allows the door to stay open a little on hot days. The only concern I have to date is recently I got a little agressive on the runup with just the safety latch engaged, and the door flew open. With this happening on a ground runup with just the prop blast, I have serious doubts it would hold if the main latch failed in flight. I suspect the door would open just enough for the wind to grab it, flex it, and tear it off. Now its possible that my install is not exactly like others, but after that incident, I now assume the safety latch will be ineffective. I might start to feel a little better if there are a few real examples of this latch working in flight. If I had to do it again, I would bite the bullet and buy one of the 3rd party options being offered. Their secondary benefits are that there is just one handle to move in an emergency, and they suck the door tight prior to engaging the pins. Just my 2 cents. Aaron From: Chris Hukill Sent: Thu, November 4, 2010 8:55:06 PM Subject: RV10-List: door safety latch Has anyone come up with a cool CNC machined replacement for the C1018 safety latch that Vans provides for the door service bulletin? Can I buy a couple? I also wonder why the latch is installed in the center of the door, instead of the front, near the handle. Maybe the idea is that the rear seat pax can reach it there, with an unconscious co-pilot after a wreck. But the forward location would allow the front seater to reach it without turning or reaching behind them during normal ops or an emergency. Also the fact that it is forward would maybe provide more security for it's designed function, that is keeping the door from opening and flying off the airplane. If the door is held in the center, due to the failure of the primary latches, it could flex quite a bit, and maybe catch the wind enough to tear off the airplane. If the safety latch is forward, then the small partial opening in the front should not allow the air to get behind the door, flex it, and create havoc. Anyone deviate from the plans? I'm getting ready to cut some holes, and would like a discussion on this. Doors are kicking my #!**? Chris Hukill www.====================== ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:32:21 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Nav antenna's From: "AirMike" Just in time. I installed a copper strip antenna in my cabin top when I built my plane and it works fine when I am going to or from the VOR, but I was having some problems with it on the localizer north of Reno, NV. I was getting an erratic signal in the turns - way out from the localizer, so I am installing a regular cat whiskers on my underbelly. I got a RAMI antenna which looks nice and was reasonably priced from Vans web site. But I need some suggestions on placement. I prefer that the "whiskers" do not stick out. Any help will be appreciated ! :) -------- See you OSH '11 Q/B - flying 1 yr+ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=318208#318208 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:56:19 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Nav antenna's From: Sohrab Kermanj I put mine under the fuselage, below horizontal stabilizer where it is protected by the stabilizer. Also, if birds decide to perch on the antenna, you will get the droppings on the ground and not on the plane. Do not archive On Nov 4, 2010, at 7:26 PM, AirMike wrote: > > Just in time. I installed a copper strip antenna in my cabin top when I built my plane and it works fine when I am going to or from the VOR, but I was having some problems with it on the localizer north of Reno, NV. I was getting an erratic signal in the turns - way out from the localizer, so I am installing a regular cat whiskers on my underbelly. I got a RAMI antenna which looks nice and was reasonably priced from Vans web site. But I need some suggestions on placement. I prefer that the "whiskers" do not stick out. Any help will be appreciated ! :) > > -------- > See you OSH '11 > Q/B - flying 1 yr+ > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=318208#318208 > > > > > > > > > > Rob Kermanj ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:09:31 PM PST US From: Rick Lark Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Nav antenna's Mike, I had a discussion with my current avionics guy (25 years experience) at Brant Aero (CYFD), which happens to be right beside Aircraft Spruce Can ada.- His opinion is that for the money the cats whisker (Comant) antenna is a great deal and performer.- Having said that the Rami is even less e xpensive.- I never discussed the Rami with my guy, but do know that the C omant has the balun built into the antenna- and I don't believe the Rami does.- Not sure how or if that's-important. - Rick #40956 --- On Fri, 11/5/10, AirMike wrote: From: AirMike Subject: RV10-List: Re: Nav antenna's Received: Friday, November 5, 2010, 2:26 AM Just in time. I installed a copper strip antenna in my cabin top when I bui lt my plane and it works fine when I am going to or from the VOR, but I was having some problems with it on the localizer north of Reno, NV. I was get ting an erratic signal in the turns - way out from the localizer, so I am i nstalling a regular cat whiskers on my underbelly. I got a RAMI antenna whi ch looks nice and was reasonably priced from Vans web site. But I need some suggestions on placement. I prefer that the "whiskers" do not stick out. A ny help will be appreciated ! :) -------- See you OSH '11 Q/B - flying 1 yr+ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=318208#318208 le, List Admin. =0A=0A ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:16:55 PM PST US From: LES KEARNEY Subject: Re: RV10-List: door safety latch ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:29:57 PM PST US From: "Steve DiNieri" Subject: Re: RV10-List: door safety latch HI chris, I have about 20 made up solid aluminum, just haven=99t set it up on the website yet. 20 bucks shipped for the pair.(con-us) it=99s made to drop in. I didn=99t think there was going to be much demand, but I made them anyway. I=99ve also been testing a few (many) automated latch ideas and think I have a solution that will drop into the vans third latch cutout, won=99t have to cut the door rod, and adds very little resistance. it=99s a slow process, (honestly, I took a break to finish the rear seat upholstery) but I promised many builders a less expensive alternative. Steve iflyrv10.com From: Chris Hukill Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 8:55 PM Subject: RV10-List: door safety latch Has anyone come up with a cool CNC machined replacement for the C1018 safety latch that Vans provides for the door service bulletin? Can I buy a couple? I also wonder why the latch is installed in the center of the door, instead of the front, near the handle. Maybe the idea is that the rear seat pax can reach it there, with an unconscious co-pilot after a wreck. But the forward location would allow the front seater to reach it without turning or reaching behind them during normal ops or an emergency. Also the fact that it is forward would maybe provide more security for it's designed function, that is keeping the door from opening and flying off the airplane. If the door is held in the center, due to the failure of the primary latches, it could flex quite a bit, and maybe catch the wind enough to tear off the airplane. If the safety latch is forward, then the small partial opening in the front should not allow the air to get behind the door, flex it, and create havoc. Anyone deviate from the plans? I'm getting ready to cut some holes, and would like a discussion on this. Doors are kicking my #!**? 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