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1. 02:25 AM - Re: Center Console (Bob Leffler)
2. 06:56 AM - Re: descent profile (DLM)
3. 07:30 AM - Re: Center Console (Robin Marks)
4. 08:26 AM - Re: Center Console (Fred Williams, M.D.)
5. 08:26 AM - gross weight testing (Dawson-Townsend,Timothy)
6. 09:06 AM - Re: Center Console (Michael Kraus)
7. 09:26 AM - Re: Center Console (John Gonzalez)
8. 09:45 AM - Re: Center Console (Fred Williams, M.D.)
9. 09:51 AM - Re: Center Console (Les Kearney)
10. 11:26 AM - Re: Center Console (Deems Davis)
11. 11:50 AM - Re: Center Console (Geoff Combs)
12. 12:07 PM - Re: Something *not* to use to bond your RV-10 windows (Bill Watson)
13. 03:55 PM - FS: Bose X (Neal George)
14. 06:49 PM - Re: Center Console (AirMike)
15. 06:50 PM - Re: gross weight testing (AirMike)
16. 10:37 PM - Re: Seat rail alignment issue (Rob Kochman)
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Les,
It depends on what you mean by center console. Since I'm most familiar
with Aerosport Products console, I use that as an example. With the
instrument panel, Geoff includes a lower console that ties the panel to the
tunnel. This does intrude a bit on leg room. However, with that said, I
don't find it obtrusive. I've flown in two different RV-10s with this
installed and sat in mine, which isn't flying. The center arm rest console
doesn't impact knee room at all.
In all three of these RV-10s, the extra space that the lower console was
needed for extra avionics. I needed that space to put my VP-200 display
unit. I had room to put it on the panel, but the scan pattern started to
get a little unusual. It keep things more logically orientated, I move the
VP-200 display to the lower console area.
Bob
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney
Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2010 9:22 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Center Console
Hi
I have been trolling through the archives to see what people think of their
center consoles. I have read that they can reduce knee room, perhaps too
much so. I am hoping those who have them installed would venture an opinion
as to whether or not they would install them again, given the chance.
Cheers
Les
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| Subject: | Re: descent profile |
I will try the VS Chelton input soon; I did talk to TT and they said to
check the AP standalone without any Arinc A or B input using the knob to
specify descent rates
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From: Miller John
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2010 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: descent profile
I've seen similar issues with mine.
I've tried setting degree as well as FPM, and FPM seems to work a bit
better than degree.
Like you, Dave, there is probably something I'm missing as well.
Maybe Tim the Master can get us both on track??!!
grumpy
On Nov 7, 2010, at 2:59 PM, DLM wrote:
While in the LS/VS mode and using the Cheltons for control of the TT
AP VSGV and aircraft, I get more descent rate than I requested. I am
using the target altitudes as descend to /climb to altitudes. I set
descent/climb angle on the Cheltons. The initial descent is an
uncomfortable descent profile even though I told the Cheltons a descent
of less than 1 degree. The only thing that seems to shallow the descent
is reduction in maximum air speed defined to the TT . I probably have a
parameter improperly specified. Any suggestions?
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Center Console
Les,
If I were at that stage now there is nothing in the world that
would stop me from installing the Aerosport CF panel and throttle console
and center console/glove box. We fabricated our own which is functional bu
t
time consuming and not nearly as attractive or usable as Geoff=92s. Later
builders are so fortunate to have these aftermarket products to add such
finesse to their birds.
Robin
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owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Bob Leffler
*Sent:* Monday, November 08, 2010 2:20 AM
*To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
*Subject:* RE: RV10-List: Center Console
Les,
It depends on what you mean by center console. Since I=92m most familiar
with Aerosport Products console, I use that as an example. With the
instrument panel, Geoff includes a lower console that ties the panel to the
tunnel. This does intrude a bit on leg room. However, with that said, I
don=92t find it obtrusive. I=92ve flown in two different RV-10s with this
installed and sat in mine, which isn=92t flying. The center arm rest cons
ole
doesn=92t impact knee room at all.
In all three of these RV-10s, the extra space that the lower console was
needed for extra avionics. I needed that space to put my VP-200 display
unit. I had room to put it on the panel, but the scan pattern started to
get a little unusual. It keep things more logically orientated, I move the
VP-200 display to the lower console area.
Bob
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owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Les Kearney
*Sent:* Sunday, November 07, 2010 9:22 PM
*To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
*Subject:* RV10-List: Center Console
Hi
I have been trolling through the archives to see what people think of their
center consoles. I have read that they can reduce knee room, perhaps too
much so. I am hoping those who have them installed would venture an opinion
as to whether or not they would install them again, given the chance.
Cheers
Les
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| Subject: | Re: Center Console |
**Les;
I have the accuracy avionics console. I would not put one in if I built
another RV10. I think it makes the tunnel maintenance too difficult. I
also do get some knee/leg pain by not being able to rotate my hip. If
you can figure out how to get all the whiz bangs in the upper panel, I
think you will not have to look back on your design and want to change
it. I ended up putting access panels on both sides of the tunnel to be
able to get in there and will be moving my fuel filter to individual
units under the seats to not have to get to the filter in the bottom of
the tunnel.
I have to share this story with the group. _I got pulled over by a cop
in my RV 10 this weekend._
I was flying from Paris to Lubbock (about two hrs flight time) to pick
up my son and the daughter of my nurse who both are in school at Texas
Tech. About 45 minutes out from the Class C airspace and the middle of
West Texas, my bladder strain gauge couldn't handle anymore. My line of
flight takes me over a very nice airstrip the 6666 Ranch. There is
never anyone around, one hangar there for the ranch, and both the 496
and the 430 says it is a public strip. My nurse was with me and rather
than share too much information, I decided to land.
I set down on the first 1/3 of the runway, and rather than taxi all the
way down to the other end, I turned around to the pull out at the north
end of the runway. Got out, left the engine running, and got strain
relief, and climbed back in.
About this time, here comes a red Ford Bronco down the center of the
runway. I'm about to pull out on the runway. The cop pulls up and
jumps out and signals me to open the door. He is insistent on talking
to me. I could read it from the body language. You know how police
officers occasionally get anxious and demanding. Well, I had the xm
radio still on so I had to turn that off, and finally opened the door
for him.
He asked my what I was doing, did I know this was a private airstrip,
and did I know there was a Falcon jet "fixin to land" and just a couple
minutes out. I told him I had an emergency and had to land to get
relief. He looked a little flabbergasted when he finally realized why I
landed and let me go.
30 seconds later I was airborne, on my way to pick up the kids, my
bladder felt better and I had a smile on my face and a great flying story.
Guess I better pick another unoccupied airstrip for the next trip out.
Looks like I wore out the welcome. :)
Dr Fred.
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| Subject: | gross weight testing |
Just following up from my earlier question - I ended up using bags of pre-p
ackaged fill sand from the aerospace department of Lowe's for gross weight
and c.g. testing. The bags are pretty sturdy, but I double-bagged them in
garbage bags just in case there was split. The bags are 47 pounds each, so
you can get a decent load, but not so heavy they are impossible to move in
to and out of the plane. I also had a smaller 25# bag of lead shot lying a
round that was useful for "rounding" the numbers.
BTW, Phase I test period now complete!
Tim
Tim Dawson-Townsend
RV-10 N52KS (http://aprs.fi/?call=n52ks)
tdt@aurora.aero<mailto:tdt@aurora.aero>
617-500-4812 (office)
617-905-4800 (mobile)
smaller flight
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| Subject: | Re: Center Console |
I had a center console in my RV-4. During construction I sat in it numerous
times and it felt great, no problem. Of course I was only sitting there fo
r about 10 minutes each time making engine noises and dreaming....
Then after I started flying, I was sitting there much longer and found I rea
lly could not move my knees much and that it became very uncomfortable. I e
ventually replaced my instrument panel and made everything fit above and rem
oved the center console. It is so much more comfortable now..... Hence my R
V-10 will not have a center console either.... But a nice armrest would be c
ool.... Anyone have any good ideas ideas on do-it-yourself armrests?
-Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 8, 2010, at 5:19 AM, "Bob Leffler" <rv@thelefflers.com> wrote:
> Les,
>
>
>
> It depends on what you mean by center console. Since I=99m most fa
miliar with Aerosport Products console, I use that as an example. With the
instrument panel, Geoff includes a lower console that ties the panel to the
tunnel. This does intrude a bit on leg room. However, with that said, I d
on=99t find it obtrusive. I=99ve flown in two different RV-10s
with this installed and sat in mine, which isn=99t flying. The cent
er arm rest console doesn=99t impact knee room at all.
>
>
>
> In all three of these RV-10s, the extra space that the lower console was n
eeded for extra avionics. I needed that space to put my VP-200 display uni
t. I had room to put it on the panel, but the scan pattern started to get a
little unusual. It keep things more logically orientated, I move the VP-20
0 display to the lower console area.
>
>
>
> Bob
>
>
>
>
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@
matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney
> Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2010 9:22 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Center Console
>
>
>
> Hi
>
> I have been trolling through the archives to see what people think of thei
r center consoles. I have read that they can reduce knee room, perhaps too m
uch so. I am hoping those who have them installed would venture an opinion a
s to whether or not they would install them again, given the chance.
>
> Cheers
>
> Les
>
>
>
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Interesting story. Were those normal markings for a police car (a red ford
Bronco with enough room for stuff in the back) or were you interupting some
thing that both the cop and the Falcon jet were not supposed to be doing?
Maybe you were lucky they needed the runway clear and you were the best per
son for the job to clear it!
From: drfred@suddenlinkmail.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Center Console
Les=3B
I have the accuracy avionics console. I would not put one in if I built an
other RV10. I think it makes the tunnel maintenance too difficult. I also
do get some knee/leg pain by not being able to rotate my hip. If you can
figure out how to get all the whiz bangs in the upper panel=2C I think you
will not have to look back on your design and want to change it. I ended u
p putting access panels on both sides of the tunnel to be able to get in th
ere and will be moving my fuel filter to individual units under the seats t
o not have to get to the filter in the bottom of the tunnel.
I have to share this story with the group. I got pulled over by a cop in m
y RV 10 this weekend.
I was flying from Paris to Lubbock (about two hrs flight time) to pick up m
y son and the daughter of my nurse who both are in school at Texas Tech. A
bout 45 minutes out from the Class C airspace and the middle of West Texas
=2C my bladder strain gauge couldn't handle anymore. My line of flight tak
es me over a very nice airstrip the 6666 Ranch. There is never anyone arou
nd=2C one hangar there for the ranch=2C and both the 496 and the 430 says i
t is a public strip. My nurse was with me and rather than share too much i
nformation=2C I decided to land.
I set down on the first 1/3 of the runway=2C and rather than taxi all the w
ay down to the other end=2C I turned around to the pull out at the north en
d of the runway. Got out=2C left the engine running=2C and got strain reli
ef=2C and climbed back in.
About this time=2C here comes a red Ford Bronco down the center of the runw
ay. I'm about to pull out on the runway. The cop pulls up and jumps out a
nd signals me to open the door. He is insistent on talking to me. I could
read it from the body language. You know how police officers occasionally
get anxious and demanding. Well=2C I had the xm radio still on so I had t
o turn that off=2C and finally opened the door for him.
He asked my what I was doing=2C did I know this was a private airstrip=2C a
nd did I know there was a Falcon jet "fixin to land" and just a couple min
utes out. I told him I had an emergency and had to land to get relief. He
looked a little flabbergasted when he finally realized why I landed and let
me go.
30 seconds later I was airborne=2C on my way to pick up the kids=2C my blad
der felt better and I had a smile on my face and a great flying story.
Guess I better pick another unoccupied airstrip for the next trip out. Loo
ks like I wore out the welcome. :)
Dr Fred.
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| Subject: | Re: Center Console |
John;
I just surprised the local cop who was there to open the airport for the
landowner. The 6666 ranch is a big operation out in West Texas. This
wasn't a drug run or nothing like that.
Dr Fred
On 11/8/2010 11:17 AM, John Gonzalez wrote:
> Interesting story. Were those normal markings for a police car (a red
> ford Bronco with enough room for stuff in the back) or were you
> interupting something that both the cop and the Falcon jet were not
> supposed to be doing?
>
> Maybe you were lucky they needed the runway clear and you were the
> best person for the job to clear it!
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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Fred et al
Thanks for the comments. In My Cherokee, I do like to move my legs around
and I suspect that I will find a center forward consol to be a bit too
constraining.
My inclination for the moment is to forget the forward center consol and
perhaps even the between the seats consol as well.
Cheers
Les
_____
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred Williams,
M.D.
Sent: November-08-10 9:23 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Center Console
Les;
I have the accuracy avionics console. I would not put one in if I built
another RV10. I think it makes the tunnel maintenance too difficult. I
also do get some knee/leg pain by not being able to rotate my hip. If you
can figure out how to get all the whiz bangs in the upper panel, I think you
will not have to look back on your design and want to change it. I ended up
putting access panels on both sides of the tunnel to be able to get in there
and will be moving my fuel filter to individual units under the seats to not
have to get to the filter in the bottom of the tunnel.
I have to share this story with the group. I got pulled over by a cop in my
RV 10 this weekend.
I was flying from Paris to Lubbock (about two hrs flight time) to pick up my
son and the daughter of my nurse who both are in school at Texas Tech.
About 45 minutes out from the Class C airspace and the middle of West Texas,
my bladder strain gauge couldn't handle anymore. My line of flight takes me
over a very nice airstrip the 6666 Ranch. There is never anyone around, one
hangar there for the ranch, and both the 496 and the 430 says it is a public
strip. My nurse was with me and rather than share too much information, I
decided to land.
I set down on the first 1/3 of the runway, and rather than taxi all the way
down to the other end, I turned around to the pull out at the north end of
the runway. Got out, left the engine running, and got strain relief, and
climbed back in.
About this time, here comes a red Ford Bronco down the center of the runway.
I'm about to pull out on the runway. The cop pulls up and jumps out and
signals me to open the door. He is insistent on talking to me. I could
read it from the body language. You know how police officers occasionally
get anxious and demanding. Well, I had the xm radio still on so I had to
turn that off, and finally opened the door for him.
He asked my what I was doing, did I know this was a private airstrip, and
did I know there was a Falcon jet "fixin to land" and just a couple minutes
out. I told him I had an emergency and had to land to get relief. He looked
a little flabbergasted when he finally realized why I landed and let me go.
30 seconds later I was airborne, on my way to pick up the kids, my bladder
felt better and I had a smile on my face and a great flying story.
Guess I better pick another unoccupied airstrip for the next trip out.
Looks like I wore out the welcome. :)
Dr Fred.
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| Subject: | Re: Center Console |
I've got a center console and like it so I'm biased. But what I'm
missing and would like to understand is how the center console
interferes with leg/knee movement? The tunnel is there one way or the
other, and its height pretty well prohibits lifting and moving a leg
over or onto it. And unless you're even shorter than me and have your
seat so far forward that your knees are trapped under and forward of
your instrument panel I don't see how it gets in the way. I can see how
the center console between the seats could inhibit some 'wiggle room'
but the arm rest and readily access storage is a pretty good trade-off.
The only issue I see is that some times I have to fish for the
seatbelts, that get trapped between it and the seats.
Deems - stirrin the pot - Davis
On 11/8/2010 10:48 AM, Les Kearney wrote:
> Fred et al
> Thanks for the comments. In My Cherokee, I do like to move my legs
> around and I suspect that I will find a center forward consol to be a
> bit too constraining.
> My inclination for the moment is to forget the forward center consol
> and perhaps even the between the seats consol as well.
> Cheers
> Les
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Fred
> Williams, M.D.
> *Sent:* November-08-10 9:23 AM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Center Console
>
> Les;
>
>
> I have the accuracy avionics console. I would not put one in if I
> built another RV10. I think it makes the tunnel maintenance too
> difficult. I also do get some knee/leg pain by not being able to
> rotate my hip. If you can figure out how to get all the whiz bangs in
> the upper panel, I think you will not have to look back on your design
> and want to change it. I ended up putting access panels on both sides
> of the tunnel to be able to get in there and will be moving my fuel
> filter to individual units under the seats to not have to get to the
> filter in the bottom of the tunnel.
>
>
> I have to share this story with the group. _I got pulled over by a cop
> in my RV 10 this weekend._
>
> I was flying from Paris to Lubbock (about two hrs flight time) to pick
> up my son and the daughter of my nurse who both are in school at Texas
> Tech. About 45 minutes out from the Class C airspace and the middle
> of West Texas, my bladder strain gauge couldn't handle anymore. My
> line of flight takes me over a very nice airstrip the 6666 Ranch.
> There is never anyone around, one hangar there for the ranch, and both
> the 496 and the 430 says it is a public strip. My nurse was with me
> and rather than share too much information, I decided to land.
>
> I set down on the first 1/3 of the runway, and rather than taxi all
> the way down to the other end, I turned around to the pull out at the
> north end of the runway. Got out, left the engine running, and got
> strain relief, and climbed back in.
>
> About this time, here comes a red Ford Bronco down the center of the
> runway. I'm about to pull out on the runway. The cop pulls up and
> jumps out and signals me to open the door. He is insistent on talking
> to me. I could read it from the body language. You know how police
> officers occasionally get anxious and demanding. Well, I had the xm
> radio still on so I had to turn that off, and finally opened the door
> for him.
>
> He asked my what I was doing, did I know this was a private airstrip,
> and did I know there was a Falcon jet "fixin to land" and just a
> couple minutes out. I told him I had an emergency and had to land to
> get relief. He looked a little flabbergasted when he finally realized
> why I landed and let me go.
>
> 30 seconds later I was airborne, on my way to pick up the kids, my
> bladder felt better and I had a smile on my face and a great flying
> story.
>
> Guess I better pick another unoccupied airstrip for the next trip
> out. Looks like I wore out the welcome. :)
>
> Dr Fred.
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I have to chime in here on the lower center console and center arm rest
people are talking about. Some older center consoles were not as
ergonomic
or
pilot friendly as what Aerosport's lower console is. We did many
prototypes
to get as little intrusion as possible in the pilot and copilot side. I
think we changed
the shape 4-5 times before we were happy with the comfort and able to
get
6.25" wide radio stack items installed. I have attached a couple
pictures of
older
center consoles that were very intrusive and maybe a little
uncomfortable
for some. Also my aircraft. That being said I have flown 9 hrs days in
my 10
and have never once thought that
this was in the way. I have plenty of room to move my legs and not feel
pinned in. That being said everyone is different in body size and build.
Some
people who are much taller or use up more useful load might be more
uncomfortable than others. That being said I have had 6'6" people in my
airplane and they
have had no problems with the center console. As for the difficulty of
removing for annual inspection that is more a lack of proper planning
than
it is the center consoles
fault. If you are going to put one in, plan accordingly and make it so
you
can remove and get to you fuel filter. That thing in a big pain in the
butt
with or without
a lower center console. You must make it removable. I just finished my
annual and I had no problems getting to my filter. I did remove the
center
console.
I did put a door on the side of the tunnel which is a must in my
opinion.
As for the center arm rest that is a personal choice. I love having it
and
would not remove it. I have flown in 10's without it and I always
thought it
would be nice to
have that arm rest. That is my opinion. I love having the storage space
to
put glasses and phone in and what ever else might fit. The console is
maybe
1/4" wider the the
tunnel. As said earlier people with a larger body sizes might have a
problem
with this center arm rest and they should not install them. You must
build
your airplane
to suit your needs. That is why you are building and not buying.
If you like it put it in. It will still be better than any other
certified
aircraft because you built it for you.
Geoff
Geoff Combs
Aerosport Products
8090 Howe Industrial Parkway
Canal Winchester, Ohio 43110
voice 614-834-8659
fax 614-834-5230
www.aerosportproducts.com <http://www.aerosportproducts.com/>
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney
Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 12:49 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Center Console
Fred et al
Thanks for the comments. In My Cherokee, I do like to move my legs
around
and I suspect that I will find a center forward consol to be a bit too
constraining.
My inclination for the moment is to forget the forward center consol and
perhaps even the between the seats consol as well.
Cheers
Les
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred
Williams,
M.D.
Sent: November-08-10 9:23 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Center Console
Les;
I have the accuracy avionics console. I would not put one in if I built
another RV10. I think it makes the tunnel maintenance too difficult. I
also do get some knee/leg pain by not being able to rotate my hip. If
you
can figure out how to get all the whiz bangs in the upper panel, I think
you
will not have to look back on your design and want to change it. I
ended up
putting access panels on both sides of the tunnel to be able to get in
there
and will be moving my fuel filter to individual units under the seats to
not
have to get to the filter in the bottom of the tunnel.
I have to share this story with the group. I got pulled over by a cop
in my
RV 10 this weekend.
I was flying from Paris to Lubbock (about two hrs flight time) to pick
up my
son and the daughter of my nurse who both are in school at Texas Tech.
About 45 minutes out from the Class C airspace and the middle of West
Texas,
my bladder strain gauge couldn't handle anymore. My line of flight
takes me
over a very nice airstrip the 6666 Ranch. There is never anyone around,
one
hangar there for the ranch, and both the 496 and the 430 says it is a
public
strip. My nurse was with me and rather than share too much information,
I
decided to land.
I set down on the first 1/3 of the runway, and rather than taxi all the
way
down to the other end, I turned around to the pull out at the north end
of
the runway. Got out, left the engine running, and got strain relief,
and
climbed back in.
About this time, here comes a red Ford Bronco down the center of the
runway.
I'm about to pull out on the runway. The cop pulls up and jumps out and
signals me to open the door. He is insistent on talking to me. I could
read it from the body language. You know how police officers
occasionally
get anxious and demanding. Well, I had the xm radio still on so I had
to
turn that off, and finally opened the door for him.
He asked my what I was doing, did I know this was a private airstrip,
and
did I know there was a Falcon jet "fixin to land" and just a couple
minutes
out. I told him I had an emergency and had to land to get relief. He
looked
a little flabbergasted when he finally realized why I landed and let me
go.
30 seconds later I was airborne, on my way to pick up the kids, my
bladder
felt better and I had a smile on my face and a great flying story.
Guess I better pick another unoccupied airstrip for the next trip out.
Looks like I wore out the welcome. :)
Dr Fred.
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| Subject: | Re: Something *not* to use to bond your RV-10 windows |
Dan, I'm curious whether the window had any cloth tape over the outside
edge. Doesn't look like it but curious.
Thanks for the writeup and the excellent pics!
Bill "dreaming of needing O2 while actually needing to paint" Watson
On 11/7/2010 8:17 PM, Masys, Daniel R wrote:
>
> Back when I was building my -10 in 2006-7, there was a lot of
> discussion on this newsgroup about alternatives to Weld-On #10, and
> one of the epoxy adhesives highly recommended by the Glasair builder
> community and some RV10 builders was FE6026, because of its ability to
> bond materials with dissimilar expansion coefficients, including
> fiberglass, lexan and acrylic. (see:
> http://www.matronics.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=138148&sid=753e5e6cc22788dd55bfd58fbdfc75f5
> <http://www.matronics.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=138148&sid=753e5e6cc22788dd55bfd58fbdfc75f5>
> ). That's what a I chose for my windows.
>
> Fast forward 420 flight hours TTSN to Friday, 5 Nov 2010 when I was
> enroute in N104LD from Nashville to Orlando, happy as the proverbial
> clam cruising above the undercast in blue skies at 13,000 ft. Atlanta
> Center called and said I either had to go up to 15K or take an amended
> route around their very large airspace, so I elected to climb to 15K,
> where the outside air temp was -20C/-4F. Was ripping along at a TAS
> of 177kts and groundspeed > 200kts, with both cabin heaters going
> strong. Suddenly there was a large thump and a lot of wind noise from
> behind the pilot seat, and I looked back to see the left rear window
> had departed the plane. A few tense minutes ensued while I determined
> that other than the noise and a new cool breeze in the cockpit, all
> was well in terms of controllability. In fact, the window blow-out
> only took a couple of knots off the TAS. I was able to complete the
> trip safely with an appreciation that an RV10 would make a fine
> air-to-air camera ship if you happen to remove a rear window. J
> Luckily, it missed the empennage on its way back and down somewhere
> over northwestern Georgia.
>
> Pictures of the damage are here:
>
> http://160.129.203.138/rv10/RV10_lostwin_frontview.jpg
>
> http://160.129.203.138/rv10/RV10_lostwind_rearview.jpg
>
> A close examination showed a clean separation between the epoxy glue
> and the coarse sanded inside surface of the window. Since I have
> flown the bird a lot at 15-17K I think the difference this day was the
> exceptionally cold air outside and very hot air coming from the rear
> heater vents, augmented perhaps by some pressure differential of a
> tight cabin with all vents closed and both heaters pumping air in to
> the cabin.
>
> A new window is on order. Suffice it to say, it will be installed
> with Weld-On #10.
>
> Fly safely friends,
>
> -Dan Masys
>
> RV10 N104LD briefly AOG
>
> RV12 N122LD at the paint shop
>
> *===============================================
> *
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For Sale:
Bose Aviation X headset in Like New condition.
GA plugs, carry case and original box.
$750, shipped CONUS. or trade for Zulus
Neal George
850-218-4838
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| Subject: | Re: Center Console |
One of the cool things about these planes is that you can make them whatever you
want. Geoff has what is probably one of the most luxurious RV10's and it shows
VERY nice (saw it at OSH). My plane on the opposite end is quite spartan with
no real back seats. My goal was lightness and it was achieved - presently
at about 1730#. I noticed after the phase one that on long cross country flights
that a center storage place/arm rest would be nice. A removable one would be
great. When two are in front - you really need a storage area for maps, drinks,
pens, extra canulas, and junk. I already have the Vans glove box on the passenger
side of the panel. A pre-formed kit of carbon fiber or aluminum would
be great. Anyone at Vans listening.
I like by vernier controls and the open area in which to stretch my legs under
the instrument panel.
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See you OSH '11
Q/B - flying 1 yr+
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| Subject: | Re: gross weight testing |
OK Ted - now it is back to F/g hell of sanding and filling to get that baby painted.
--------
See you OSH '11
Q/B - flying 1 yr+
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| Subject: | Re: Seat rail alignment issue |
Thanks, Bob... I looked around for something I might have done wrong, but
there's not too much complicated around there, and the left and the right
ones are the same. For anyone else who may run into this, I called Van's,
and they said it would be acceptable to "slot" the holes in the seat rail
support, where it attaches to the gear weldment, so that's what I did, and
all's well.
Thanks...
-Rob
On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Bob Leffler <rv@thelefflers.com> wrote:
> I=92m sure you=92ve already thought of this, but I when I run into this
> situation, it=92s usually because I=92ve orientated the piece incorrectly
. i.e.
> upside down or left swapped with right.
>
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Rob Kochman
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 07, 2010 12:40 PM
> *To:* rv10-list
> *Subject:* RV10-List: Seat rail alignment issue
>
>
> Hi, all... I'm installing the seat rails now, and I have a fit problem.
I
> bolted the outboard mid rail support to the landing gear weldment (that w
as
> fun), but the holes for the rail aren't lining up with the seat floor. T
he
> seat floor and rails agree, but the mid rail support doesn't. Pic attach
ed
> (left side of the picture is forward). The right seat is pictured, but I
t's
> pretty much the same on the left side. Anyone run into this issue?
>
>
> Thanks...
>
>
> -Rob
>
> --
> Rob Kochman
> RV-10 "Finishing" Kit
> Woodinville, WA (near Seattle)
> http://kochman.net/N819K
>
> *
>
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>
>
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Rob Kochman
RV-10 "Finishing" Kit
Woodinville, WA (near Seattle)
http://kochman.net/N819K
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