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1. 08:38 AM - Re: rudder stop (davidsoutpost@comcast.net)
2. 09:14 AM - Re: rudder stop (Lew Gallagher)
3. 10:04 AM - Re: rudder stop (davidsoutpost@comcast.net)
4. 12:25 PM - Re: rudder stop (Kelly McMullen)
5. 12:56 PM - Re: Re: rudder stop (Dave Saylor)
6. 01:23 PM - Re: Re: rudder stop (Jesse Saint)
7. 01:31 PM - P35-8 Question (johngoodman)
8. 02:10 PM - Re: P35-8 Question (Pascal)
9. 04:20 PM - Re: Re: rudder stop (Dave Saylor)
10. 05:01 PM - Six Year Anniversary (Jeff Carpenter)
11. 05:26 PM - Re: Six Year Anniversary (bruce breckenridge)
12. 05:26 PM - Re: Six Year Anniversary (Linn Walters)
13. 05:50 PM - Fuel Filter ()
14. 06:11 PM - Re: Six Year Anniversary (Robin Marks)
15. 06:23 PM - Re: Six Year Anniversary (Marcus Cooper)
16. 06:26 PM - Re: Fuel Filter (Jesse Saint)
17. 06:42 PM - Re: Six Year Anniversary (Dj Merrill)
18. 06:56 PM - Re: Six Year Anniversary (Pascal)
19. 07:24 PM - Re: Six Year Anniversary (Bill Watson)
20. 07:46 PM - Re: Six Year Anniversary (Dave Saylor)
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Here is a link to purchase the internal rudder stop. I am pleased with the quality
and price and installed mine when I was building the rudder.
http://stocktoneaa.org/Rudder%20Stop.html
David Clifford
RV-10 Builder
65% Done-95% To Go
N849RV (reserved)
----- Original Message -----
From: TommyLewis@aol.com
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 2:02:46 PM
Subject: RV10-List: rudder stop
Over the weekend I found that the RV10 rudder stop on the right side has broken,
the rivets had been sheared. The rudder stop was laying in the bottom of the
rudder. When this has happened to others, have you simply riveted it back on,
or replaced rivets with #8 or #6 bolts, or is there an after market replacement???
Thanks,
Tom Lewis
Granbury, Tx
RV10 N143EB
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OK, David, I give up ... is there a link to Merlin Enterprises so I can
check this out, rather than the "buy it now"?
Thanks, - Lew
----- Original Message -----
From: davidsoutpost@comcast.net
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 11:30 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: rudder stop
Here is a link to purchase the internal rudder stop. I am pleased
with the quality and price and installed mine when I was building the
rudder.
http://stocktoneaa.org/Rudder%20Stop.html
David Clifford
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No,,,as far as I know he does not have a website. I believe this is the onl
y part he manufactures and he posts on the Vans RV forum and is one of its
moderators. He just posted today that he has another batch ready for orders
and I figured someone on this list might be interested since the subject w
as recent. http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=64982
David Clifford
RV-10 Builder
65% Done-95% To Go
N849RV (reserved)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lew Gallagher" <lewgall@charter.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 12:11:42 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: rudder stop
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OK, David, I give up ... is there a link to Merlin Enterprises so I can che
ck this out, rather than the "buy it now"?
Thanks, - Lew
----- Original Message -----
From: davidsoutpost@comcast.net
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 11:30 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: rudder stop
Here is a link to purchase the internal rudder stop. I am pleased with the
quality and price and installed mine when I was building the rudder.
http://stocktoneaa.org/Rudder%20Stop.html
David Clifford
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Do you have a picture of how you installed yours? It certainly is
sized differently than the Van's stop.
On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 10:59 AM, <davidsoutpost@comcast.net> wrote:
> No,,,as far as I know he does not have a website. I believe this is the
> only part he manufactures and he posts on the Vans RV forum and is one of
> its moderators. He just posted today that he has another batch ready for
> orders and I figured someone on this list might be interested since the
> subject was recent.
> http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=64982
>
> David Clifford
>
> RV-10 Builder
> 65% Done-95% To Go
> N849RV (reserved)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lew Gallagher" <lewgall@charter.net>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 12:11:42 PM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: rudder stop
>
>
> OK, David, I give up ... is there a link to Merlin Enterprises so I can
> check this out, rather than the "buy it now"?
>
> Thanks, - Lew
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: davidsoutpost@comcast.net
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 11:30 AM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: rudder stop
> Here is a link to purchase the internal rudder stop. I am pleased with the
> quality and price and installed mine when I was building the rudder.
> http://stocktoneaa.org/Rudder%20Stop.html
>
> David Clifford
>
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I been using this one for a while (scroll down to the tow bar pictures):
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300884#300884
It's nice to be able to put the gust lock in while standing outside on
the ground. Plus no other gizmos to haul around.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 7:47 PM, Jim Berry <jimberry@qwest.net> wrote:
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> Does anyone have a bomb-proof rudder lock that they are really happy with?
>
> Jim Berry
> N15JB
> Phase 1
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=319535#319535
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That's very similar to my mod. I just use a tube that will fit in a hole on the
pedals. I also usually put the stick through the hole in the towbar then use
the seatbelt on the other side to hold it back, which locks the elevator & ailerons.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
www.mavericklsa.com
C: 352-427-0285
O: 352-465-4545
F: 815-377-3694
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 16, 2010, at 3:53 PM, Dave Saylor <dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I been using this one for a while (scroll down to the tow bar pictures):
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300884#300884
>
> It's nice to be able to put the gust lock in while standing outside on
> the ground. Plus no other gizmos to haul around.
>
> Dave Saylor
> AirCrafters
> 140 Aviation Way
> Watsonville, CA 95076
> 831-722-9141 Shop
> 831-750-0284 Cell
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 7:47 PM, Jim Berry <jimberry@qwest.net> wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone have a bomb-proof rudder lock that they are really happy with?
>>
>> Jim Berry
>> N15JB
>> Phase 1
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>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=319535#319535
>>
>>
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Got a quick question about the screws at the from of the seat floor. On page 35-8
it says to use AN509 screws (flush head) along the front edge of the seat floor
and AN515 screws along the aft edge. I did not countersink those holes and
I can't find anything in sections 28 or 29 that say to.
Did I miss something? Did any of you guys do it, or did you just use round head
AN515s? I don't see that it would be a problem.
John
--------
#40572 Painted but still in pieces
N711JG reserved
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=319633#319633
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| Subject: | Re: P35-8 Question |
you'll find, starting around Sect 29 that there are less and less details as
the sections progress. There is a lot that I scratched my head and asked
myself if I missed a step, in the end do whatever you want. The flush head
can be countersunk for the aft edge but I don't recall it was an issue
either way since it is all covered anyway with a form fitted rug.
Pascal
--------------------------------------------------
From: "johngoodman" <johngoodman@earthlink.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 1:29 PM
Subject: RV10-List: P35-8 Question
>
> Got a quick question about the screws at the from of the seat floor. On
> page 35-8 it says to use AN509 screws (flush head) along the front edge of
> the seat floor and AN515 screws along the aft edge. I did not countersink
> those holes and I can't find anything in sections 28 or 29 that say to.
> Did I miss something? Did any of you guys do it, or did you just use
> round head AN515s? I don't see that it would be a problem.
> John
>
> --------
> #40572 Painted but still in pieces
> N711JG reserved
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=319633#319633
>
>
>
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>>use the seatbelt on the other side to hold it back<<
Yep, that's basically what I did before the bungee. Now I can lock
all the controls in one motion. Probably not a big deal but it does
seem easier now and that makes it a little more likely that I'll
actually use it.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com> wrote:
>
> That's very similar to my mod. I just use a tube that will fit in a hole on the
pedals. I also usually put the stick through the hole in the towbar then use
the seatbelt on the other side to hold it back, which locks the elevator & ailerons.
>
> Jesse Saint
> I-TEC, Inc.
> jesse@itecusa.org
> www.itecusa.org
> www.mavericklsa.com
> C: 352-427-0285
> O: 352-465-4545
> F: 815-377-3694
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 16, 2010, at 3:53 PM, Dave Saylor <dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>>
>> I been using this one for a while (scroll down to the tow bar pictures):
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300884#300884
>>
>> It's nice to be able to put the gust lock in while standing outside on
>> the ground. Plus no other gizmos to haul around.
>>
>> Dave Saylor
>> AirCrafters
>> 140 Aviation Way
>> Watsonville, CA 95076
>> 831-722-9141 Shop
>> 831-750-0284 Cell
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 7:47 PM, Jim Berry <jimberry@qwest.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Does anyone have a bomb-proof rudder lock that they are really happy with?
>>>
>>> Jim Berry
>>> N15JB
>>> Phase 1
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=319535#319535
>>>
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>
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| Subject: | Six Year Anniversary |
On November 16, 2004, at 10:07 AM I cracked open my empennage crate
and started down the road to building my RV-10. Now, some 3227 hours
of absolute pleasure later, I'm not entirely sure I'll be able to make
it to the finish line. I heard the warning, more than once, that life
changes over the years of the build. Issues of health, marriage and
money, among so many other things can knock you off course.
I lost three months of build time during the summer of 2006 to the
tennis elbow (in both elbows) I earned while using my pneumatic rivet
squeezer for eight consecutive hours. Last year I took a spill on my
bike that put me in the ER for an afternoon and kept me out of the
shop for the better part of two months. And now it's all about
money. Business for me, as I am sure for many of you, has fallen off
a cliff. Though things have been a bit more positive this month, I
still have to start thinking about my options with the plane.
With all that having been said, I pose the following questions to the
group:
I currently have the engine and prop new and "in the box." If I have
to sell the project, is it best to leave them that way and sell them
separate from the nearly complete plane or to go ahead and mount them?
Another option is to take on a partner. For those that have gone down
that road, do you have any words of wisdom?
The third option is to forge ahead and see if I can complete the plane
"on the cheap..." meaning Day VFR until I can afford what I really
want. What do you consider the minimum required configuration for Day
VFR operations?
Thank you all for you help... I haven't given up on finishing yet, but
need to know what path to take if it comes to that.
Jeff Carpenter
40304
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| Subject: | Re: Six Year Anniversary |
If Day VFR is one of your options, do it! You will upgrade later when the
timing is more appropriate. I would avoid a partner, although I'm part of a
club of 5 in a C172.
The options you presented have 2 extremes: keep the plane and finish it
without all the bells and whistles you heard in your dreams, or, sell the
whole project. If you have to get the cash somehow, then finishing it
doesn't seem to be a viable option.
And, the finished, signed off aircraft, even if Day VFR is worth more than
the uncompleted project.
Forge ahead!
Bruce Breckenridge
40018
On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 4:57 PM, Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com>wrote:
>
> On November 16, 2004, at 10:07 AM I cracked open my empennage crate and
> started down the road to building my RV-10. Now, some 3227 hours of
> absolute pleasure later, I'm not entirely sure I'll be able to make it to
> the finish line. I heard the warning, more than once, that life changes
> over the years of the build. Issues of health, marriage and money, among
> so many other things can knock you off course.
>
> I lost three months of build time during the summer of 2006 to the tennis
> elbow (in both elbows) I earned while using my pneumatic rivet squeezer for
> eight consecutive hours. Last year I took a spill on my bike that put me in
> the ER for an afternoon and kept me out of the shop for the better part of
> two months. And now it's all about money. Business for me, as I am sure
> for many of you, has fallen off a cliff. Though things have been a bit more
> positive this month, I still have to start thinking about my options with
> the plane.
>
> With all that having been said, I pose the following questions to the
> group:
>
> I currently have the engine and prop new and "in the box." If I have to
> sell the project, is it best to leave them that way and sell them separate
> from the nearly complete plane or to go ahead and mount them?
>
> Another option is to take on a partner. For those that have gone down that
> road, do you have any words of wisdom?
>
> The third option is to forge ahead and see if I can complete the plane "on
> the cheap..." meaning Day VFR until I can afford what I really want. What
> do you consider the minimum required configuration for Day VFR operations?
>
> Thank you all for you help... I haven't given up on finishing yet, but need
> to know what path to take if it comes to that.
>
> Jeff Carpenter
> 40304
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Six Year Anniversary |
Sorry to hear of your dilemma. I've never been in your shoes, but I'll
offer some observations below.
On 11/16/2010 7:57 PM, Jeff Carpenter wrote:
>
> On November 16, 2004, at 10:07 AM I cracked open my empennage crate
> and started down the road to building my RV-10. Now, some 3227 hours
> of absolute pleasure later, I'm not entirely sure I'll be able to make
> it to the finish line. I heard the warning, more than once, that life
> changes over the years of the build. Issues of health, marriage and
> money, among so many other things can knock you off course.
>
> I lost three months of build time during the summer of 2006 to the
> tennis elbow (in both elbows) I earned while using my pneumatic rivet
> squeezer for eight consecutive hours. Last year I took a spill on my
> bike that put me in the ER for an afternoon and kept me out of the
> shop for the better part of two months. And now it's all about
> money. Business for me, as I am sure for many of you, has fallen off
> a cliff. Though things have been a bit more positive this month, I
> still have to start thinking about my options with the plane.
>
> With all that having been said, I pose the following questions to the
> group:
>
> I currently have the engine and prop new and "in the box." If I have
> to sell the project, is it best to leave them that way and sell them
> separate from the nearly complete plane or to go ahead and mount them?
I doubt that it'll make any difference if you mount the engine ....
other than you've saved the buyer some labor. Leaving the engine 'in
the box' makes it 'less aged' Vs. hanging out in the air.
>
> Another option is to take on a partner. For those that have gone down
> that road, do you have any words of wisdom?
I've only had partners in one of my aviation endeavors, a Pitts Special
S1-E. I ended up buying both their shares at a discount when the
partnership broke down. However, I know of one project with partners
that's flying after 13 years building together and an RV-10 presently
under construction by partners. My only words of wisdom would be to
document what happens to the project should the partnership dissolve
.... in other words what would the value of the share, and who would end
up with first right of refusal.
>
> The third option is to forge ahead and see if I can complete the plane
> "on the cheap..." meaning Day VFR until I can afford what I really
> want. What do you consider the minimum required configuration for Day
> VFR operations?
Steam gauges (altimeter, airspeed, compass, fuel and oil pressure and
oil temp) and a radio. You might look at http://www.mglavionics.co.za/
for a relatively low cost glass panel to replace the steam gauges. They
also have electronic versions of the steam gauges.
> Thank you all for you help... I haven't given up on finishing yet, but
> need to know what path to take if it comes to that.
I've noticed that when people sell their project unfinished ..... for
whatever reason .... they pretty much drop out of aviation all together
.... and never go back. The investment you have in aviation also
includes what you spent getting and keeping your license ..... but is
offset somewhat by the enjoyment you've had along the way. If I was in
your shoes, I'd try and hang on to complete the project solo. Lot less
possibilities of contention down the road. Also, what are you going to
do with all that free time on your hands ..... but spend money or become
a couch potato???
Linn
>
> Jeff Carpenter
> 40304
>
>
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About to start my first annual and want to change the fuel filter from the single
unit to two under the seats like others have done. Are folks just using a
second ES Airflow filter or something smaller? Would appreciate part numbers
if you have them. Jay Rowe #40301
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| Subject: | Six Year Anniversary |
Jeff,
I am sorry to hear of your turn in fortune. Far too many
deserving people are left w/o a chair when the music stops economically.
Placing my comments in the =93observation=94 column rather than
the
=93recommendation=94 column; I would *consider* taking on a partner or two
if
need be. The idea of a bare bones build may not meet your ultimate flying
requirement and will in my opinion damage maximum resale. Additionally the
cost of =93upgrading=94 can be substantial when considering down time and
replacement parts which is not being efficient with limited cash.
Furthermore a bare bones build still has you with 100% of the insurance,
100% of the Phase 1 fly off costs, 100% of the storage, 100% of=85well 100%
.
Obviously there are down sides to a partnership but it can also be a great
thing for those on a limited budget. Even those that use their plane a lot
have them sitting for long periods of time. As the saying goes even on the
best weekend of the year 95% of all boats never leave the marina. Not so
much with a new plane that all the partners that want to fly but that often
settles down to a reasonable pace. There is something actually nice and
reassuring about not having SOLE financial responsibility for an airplane.
This option may even put cash in your pocket after the build. I know
technically the plane is no longer yours completely but if you sell the kit
it won=92t be yours at all.
The top job of anyone deciding to go this route is to select their
partner(s) properly. The right partner(s) are guaranteed to be an asset
(picture: Tim Olson), the wrong partners are guaranteed to be a nightmare
(picture: barefoot bandit). Don=92t settle till you find a partner that fit
s
the partnership needs. Not just one with a fat checkbook. Owning & flying a
n
RV-10 can be freakishly inexpensive for its utility when you cut the base
costs to a third.
After you receive and review all the feedback it is solely up t
o
you and your family having the most complete understanding of your finances
and you goals to chart your future.
Wishing you a Happy 7th Anniversary,
Robin
*From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *bruce breckenridge
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 16, 2010 5:22 PM
*To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
*Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Six Year Anniversary
If Day VFR is one of your options, do it! You will upgrade later when the
timing is more appropriate. I would avoid a partner, although I'm part of
a
club of 5 in a C172.
The options you presented have 2 extremes: keep the plane and finish it
without all the bells and whistles you heard in your dreams, or, sell the
whole project. If you have to get the cash somehow, then finishing it
doesn't seem to be a viable option.
And, the finished, signed off aircraft, even if Day VFR is worth more than
the uncompleted project.
Forge ahead!
Bruce Breckenridge
40018
On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 4:57 PM, Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com>
wrote:
On November 16, 2004, at 10:07 AM I cracked open my empennage crate and
started down the road to building my RV-10. Now, some 3227 hours of
absolute pleasure later, I'm not entirely sure I'll be able to make it to
the finish line. I heard the warning, more than once, that life changes
over the years of the build. Issues of health, marriage and money, among
so many other things can knock you off course.
I lost three months of build time during the summer of 2006 to the tennis
elbow (in both elbows) I earned while using my pneumatic rivet squeezer for
eight consecutive hours. Last year I took a spill on my bike that put me i
n
the ER for an afternoon and kept me out of the shop for the better part of
two months. And now it's all about money. Business for me, as I am sure
for many of you, has fallen off a cliff. Though things have been a bit mor
e
positive this month, I still have to start thinking about my options with
the plane.
With all that having been said, I pose the following questions to the group
:
I currently have the engine and prop new and "in the box." If I have to
sell the project, is it best to leave them that way and sell them separate
from the nearly complete plane or to go ahead and mount them?
Another option is to take on a partner. For those that have gone down that
road, do you have any words of wisdom?
The third option is to forge ahead and see if I can complete the plane "on
the cheap..." meaning Day VFR until I can afford what I really want. What
do you consider the minimum required configuration for Day VFR operations?
Thank you all for you help... I haven't given up on finishing yet, but need
to know what path to take if it comes to that.
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| Subject: | Six Year Anniversary |
Jeff,
Very sorry to hear of your situation, but I'm afraid I can sympathize.
As others have mentioned a partnership is a tricky thing, I suspect the key
is to know your partner(s) well and make sure you are all on the same page
as far as expectations on scheduling, maintenance and upgrades.
I couldn't agree more that a VFR only bird is better than nothing. Most of
us fly these for fun and while having the ability to go IFR is certainly
convenient, I'd much rather fly VFR anyway. As for the minimums, I've built
4 airplanes, 3 were VFR and the -10 is full IFR. Many will suggest you
should have some IFR capability (Artificial horizon, etc) "just in case". I
don't subscribe to that at all, I am very capable of not flying into a cloud
if I'm not supposed to. You just have to be aware and conservative. The
FARs spell out what's needed and it isn't much beyond a compass, altitude
and airspeed and basic engine instruments. Flying can be an absolute joy
with the minimum and upgrading down the road is quite simple with all the
glass cockpit options. If possible this is the route I'd go as you have
invested so much already.
As for what to do if you decide to part with it, I've done this twice. I
had a Q-2 that just wouldn't sell so I sold the engine which was a sure
thing and eventually sold the airplane but that was a unique animal. I have
a Skybolt project that has sat idle for 2 years and money is a snag right
now. I looked at several options and tried selling part of the project
unsuccessfully before deciding to sell the engine. As it turns out that was
the greatest pot of money I could have gained and also has the least
emotional value. Additionally, an engine becomes less popular the longer it
sits which is another reason to set it free for the short term and when
business picks back up buy another one. Hopefully you will also lose the
least compared to what you paid for it and you don't have any time invested.
Of course this is only valid if you think you'd like to keep working on the
-10 for future use. As for me, it worked out great to get an infusion of
cash but also get to keep the heart of the project.
Best of luck,
Marcus
40286
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Carpenter
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 7:57 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Six Year Anniversary
On November 16, 2004, at 10:07 AM I cracked open my empennage crate
and started down the road to building my RV-10. Now, some 3227 hours
of absolute pleasure later, I'm not entirely sure I'll be able to make
it to the finish line. I heard the warning, more than once, that life
changes over the years of the build. Issues of health, marriage and
money, among so many other things can knock you off course.
I lost three months of build time during the summer of 2006 to the
tennis elbow (in both elbows) I earned while using my pneumatic rivet
squeezer for eight consecutive hours. Last year I took a spill on my
bike that put me in the ER for an afternoon and kept me out of the
shop for the better part of two months. And now it's all about
money. Business for me, as I am sure for many of you, has fallen off
a cliff. Though things have been a bit more positive this month, I
still have to start thinking about my options with the plane.
With all that having been said, I pose the following questions to the
group:
I currently have the engine and prop new and "in the box." If I have
to sell the project, is it best to leave them that way and sell them
separate from the nearly complete plane or to go ahead and mount them?
Another option is to take on a partner. For those that have gone down
that road, do you have any words of wisdom?
The third option is to forge ahead and see if I can complete the plane
"on the cheap..." meaning Day VFR until I can afford what I really
want. What do you consider the minimum required configuration for Day
VFR operations?
Thank you all for you help... I haven't given up on finishing yet, but
need to know what path to take if it comes to that.
Jeff Carpenter
40304
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I have done this in one installation and used the ES Airflow filter from Airflow
Performance on both sides. I really like the quality and serviceability of
this filter. Note, however, that to remove and clean the filter, the fuel tank
will have to be emptied completely because there will not be a fuel selector
valve between the tank and the filter to provide a fuel shutoff.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
On Nov 16, 2010, at 8:46 PM, <jfrjr@roadrunner.com> <jfrjr@roadrunner.com> wrote:
>
> About to start my first annual and want to change the fuel filter from the single
unit to two under the seats like others have done. Are folks just using
a second ES Airflow filter or something smaller? Would appreciate part numbers
if you have them. Jay Rowe #40301
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| Subject: | Re: Six Year Anniversary |
On 11/16/2010 7:57 PM, Jeff Carpenter wrote:
> The third option is to forge ahead and see if I can complete the plane
> "on the cheap..." meaning Day VFR until I can afford what I really
> want. What do you consider the minimum required configuration for Day
> VFR operations?
Hi Jeff,
For what it is worth, that is what I am doing with my Sportsman
project. Sounds like I am in a similar situation - I have the airframe
and the engine, but I do not yet have any of the avionics or interior
items. I'll likely be flying it without paint, and VFR until such a
time as I can afford to improve it.
I'm not to the panel yet (and won't be for several months at least), so
I am not positive what my minimum will be, but I'm envisioning a single
screen GRT EFIS system and a single radio. Eventually would like to go
to a dual screen EFIS system, and a Garmin 430W and ADS-B when I can
afford it. I'll probably end up painting it before upgrading the panel,
though.
Best of luck with your project. One option you may consider is to get
another builder to help you build it, but not necessarily have them as a
partner when the plane is finished. This may help if there are
motivation issues.
-Dj
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| Subject: | Re: Six Year Anniversary |
Jeff;
Still remember that day I brought my wife and daughter over to see your
project to determine if I would venture on the RV-10 build. I hate to see
someone give up and especially you based on that motivation you gave me over
3 years ago. I know times are tough and I encourage you to go with Option 3.
I am going the cheap route and not doing IFR or ADS-B initially but my Dynon
will do everything I need to fly anywhere and eventually once I know how
much family trips we'll take and how we do it I'll expand later as needed.
Also, unless you got someone from the SoCal list to take your hangar, drop
the hangar, plenty of people at Chino to share a hangar with when you're
ready to park it and that will open up the finances for you a little. I know
Don isn't happy with this input but whatever it takes!!
Stick with it! I need other RV-10's to fly with in the future and the
other -10 in french Valley is storing his for a while.. I can't be the only
one flying locally!! that just would not work.. Option 3 unless there is no
other option.
Pascal
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From: "Jeff Carpenter" <jeff@westcottpress.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 4:57 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Six Year Anniversary
>
> On November 16, 2004, at 10:07 AM I cracked open my empennage crate and
> started down the road to building my RV-10. Now, some 3227 hours of
> absolute pleasure later, I'm not entirely sure I'll be able to make it to
> the finish line. I heard the warning, more than once, that life changes
> over the years of the build. Issues of health, marriage and money,
> among so many other things can knock you off course.
>
> I lost three months of build time during the summer of 2006 to the tennis
> elbow (in both elbows) I earned while using my pneumatic rivet squeezer
> for eight consecutive hours. Last year I took a spill on my bike that
> put me in the ER for an afternoon and kept me out of the shop for the
> better part of two months. And now it's all about money. Business for
> me, as I am sure for many of you, has fallen off a cliff. Though things
> have been a bit more positive this month, I still have to start thinking
> about my options with the plane.
>
> With all that having been said, I pose the following questions to the
> group:
>
> I currently have the engine and prop new and "in the box." If I have to
> sell the project, is it best to leave them that way and sell them
> separate from the nearly complete plane or to go ahead and mount them?
>
> Another option is to take on a partner. For those that have gone down
> that road, do you have any words of wisdom?
>
> The third option is to forge ahead and see if I can complete the plane
> "on the cheap..." meaning Day VFR until I can afford what I really want.
> What do you consider the minimum required configuration for Day VFR
> operations?
>
> Thank you all for you help... I haven't given up on finishing yet, but
> need to know what path to take if it comes to that.
>
> Jeff Carpenter
> 40304
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Six Year Anniversary |
I won't pretend to be able to comment on the big questions but regarding
the "on the cheap" - take it as a challenge and a journey towards what
seems to be the original Van's vision. Steam guages, rivet head static
ports and aluminum tubing pitots. Go for it! I'd take most bets that
most builders are flying day VFR EXCLUSIVELY, which isn't to say it's
your desired mission but it's a helluva way to travel. Fast and high,
in your homebuilt chariot. Build to fly, then fill in the blanks as
fortunes allow. You don't need paint, interior gew gaws or instrument
gimcracks. Fill 'em in when you can.
With luck, fortunes will change, perhaps in part because you really and
need want and need them to. Or not, but that's life.
Day VFR is the core of what we do!
Bill "doing the full monty but with a healthy respect for keeping
one's pants belted and suspended" Watson
40605 July 2006
The third option is to forge ahead and see if I can complete the plane
"on the cheap..." meaning Day VFR until I can afford what I really
want. What do you consider the minimum required configuration for Day
VFR operations?
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Six Year Anniversary |
Hi Jeff,
I don't know if you remember but I called you soon after your bike
wreck because when you crashed, your phone redialed and left me a
long, rather agonizing voicemail! I know it hurt--I was practically
there.
I took on a partner at about the stage you're at. His buy-in financed
a bunch of the big parts which was a huge relief. I haven't looked
back. It's been a fantastic arrangement. The greatest thing is that
all the goodies, even now, are half price!
We rarely have conflicts with scheduling. We use Google Calender to
keep track of who's flying when, and we have a tie-breaker system in
case there's a glitch.
We used a template from AOPA to form the partnership. It had some
good ideas we wouldn't have considered. I'll send you a copy of our
agreement if you like.
Hang in there! I know how you feel with business the way it is.
Maybe we should move to Texas...
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 4:57 PM, Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com> wrote:
>
> On November 16, 2004, at 10:07 AM I cracked open my empennage crate and
> started down the road to building my RV-10. Now, some 3227 hours of
> absolute pleasure later, I'm not entirely sure I'll be able to make it to
> the finish line. I heard the warning, more than once, that life changes
> over the years of the build. Issues of health, marriage and money, among
> so many other things can knock you off course.
>
> I lost three months of build time during the summer of 2006 to the tennis
> elbow (in both elbows) I earned while using my pneumatic rivet squeezer for
> eight consecutive hours. Last year I took a spill on my bike that put me in
> the ER for an afternoon and kept me out of the shop for the better part of
> two months. And now it's all about money. Business for me, as I am sure
> for many of you, has fallen off a cliff. Though things have been a bit more
> positive this month, I still have to start thinking about my options with
> the plane.
>
> With all that having been said, I pose the following questions to the group:
>
> I currently have the engine and prop new and "in the box." If I have to
> sell the project, is it best to leave them that way and sell them separate
> from the nearly complete plane or to go ahead and mount them?
>
> Another option is to take on a partner. For those that have gone down that
> road, do you have any words of wisdom?
>
> The third option is to forge ahead and see if I can complete the plane "on
> the cheap..." meaning Day VFR until I can afford what I really want. What
> do you consider the minimum required configuration for Day VFR operations?
>
> Thank you all for you help... I haven't given up on finishing yet, but need
> to know what path to take if it comes to that.
>
> Jeff Carpenter
> 40304
>
>
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