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1. 04:41 AM - Re: fuel flow transducer location (David Leikam)
2. 04:51 AM - Re: fuel flow transducer location (Kelly McMullen)
3. 05:35 AM - Re: fuel flow transducer location (davidsoutpost@comcast.net)
4. 06:51 AM - Re: fuel flow transducer location (Robin Marks)
5. 07:25 AM - Re: fuel flow transducer location (Patrick Thyssen)
6. 07:35 AM - Fuel Fitings (Albert Gardner)
7. 08:09 AM - Re: fuel flow transducer location (Geoff Combs)
8. 08:20 AM - Re: fuel flow transducer location (Deems Davis)
9. 08:20 AM - Re: fuel flow transducer location (DLM)
10. 08:21 AM - Re: fuel flow transducer location (Pascal)
11. 08:44 AM - Re: fuel flow transducer location (rv10flyer)
12. 08:53 AM - Re: fuel flow transducer location (AirMike)
13. 08:53 AM - Re: fuel flow transducer location (Jay Rowe)
14. 10:04 AM - Re: Fuel Fitings (Danny Riggs)
15. 12:33 PM - Re: Fuel Fitings (William Curtis)
16. 01:01 PM - Re: Fuel Fitings (Albert Gardner)
17. 02:29 PM - Re: Rivet Set Recommendation? (Sean Stephens)
18. 03:08 PM - Re: Rivet Set Recommendation? (rv10flyer)
19. 03:37 PM - Nose Wheel Turn Limiting Screws (dmaib@me.com)
20. 05:03 PM - Re: Nose Wheel Turn Limiting Screws (Jim Berry)
21. 05:22 PM - Re: Nose Wheel Turn Limiting Screws (DLM)
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23. 06:02 PM - Re: Re: Nose Wheel Turn Limiting Screws (Kelly McMullen)
24. 06:25 PM - Re: Re: Nose Wheel Turn Limiting Screws (Linn Walters)
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| Subject: | Re: fuel flow transducer location |
I called Flo-Scan about the placement of mine and they told me the worst place
to put the sensor is between the electric pump and the mechanical pump. Best
would be before both pumps. I put mine after the fuel servo mounted on top
of the air box. Flo-Scan said this would work fine.
Dave Leikam
On Nov 20, 2010, at 1:19 AM, rvdave wrote:
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> Plans show transducer to be in the tunnel, I've heard there are less fluctuations
if it is placed after the mechanical pump and before distribution for fuel
injection, is this correct?
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> Dave Ford
> RV6 flying
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> Cadillac, MI
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RV10
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| Subject: | Re: fuel flow transducer location |
As always, it depends. You want straight hose on either side of the
transducer for smooth transition without burbles. Sometimes that is
easier between fuel pump and servo, sometimes easier between servo and
flow divider. I suppose if one moved the boost pump and filter forward
in the tunnel it could be ahead of the filter.
On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 5:38 AM, David Leikam <daveleikam@wi.rr.com> wrote:
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> I called Flo-Scan about the placement of mine and they told me the worst place
to put the sensor is between the electric pump and the mechanical pump. Best
would be before both pumps. I put mine after the fuel servo mounted on top
of the air box. Flo-Scan said this would work fine.
>
> Dave Leikam
>
> On Nov 20, 2010, at 1:19 AM, rvdave wrote:
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>> Plans show transducer to be in the tunnel, I've heard there are less fluctuations
if it is placed after the mechanical pump and before distribution for fuel
injection, is this correct?
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>> Dave Ford
>> RV6 flying
>> RV10 building
>> Cadillac, MI
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| Subject: | Re: fuel flow transducer location |
I just finished mounting mine yesterday and used the EI red cube FT-60. I mounted
it in the tunnel and have 6" straight line before and after the cube. I know
it is between the electrical Andair pump and the mechanical pump but it is the
recommendation location by Vans and I want less fuel fittings and lines in
the engine compartment. I will move it if needed after the plane is flying. I
will make up a new bypass fuel line while the tunnel is easily accessible just
in case it needs to be moved.
David Clifford
RV-10 Builder
65% Done-95% To Go
N849RV (reserved)
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From: "rvdave" <davidbf@centurytel.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 2:19:45 AM
Subject: RV10-List: fuel flow transducer location
Plans show transducer to be in the tunnel, I've heard there are less fluctuations
if it is placed after the mechanical pump and before distribution for fuel
injection, is this correct?
--------
Dave Ford
RV6 flying
RV10 building
Cadillac, MI
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | fuel flow transducer location |
I mounted mine (not the red cube) in the tunnel with a nice long smooth lead
in and out of the transducer and my readings were basically useless. Boost
pump on added 3-5 gph with some bouncing. Boost pump off had 1-3 gph
bouncing including low reading bouncing into the yellow that gave me low
fuel flow warnings both in climb out and randomly in cruse flight. BTW this
also threw off my fuel consumption/remaining fuel calculations. Not good!
Furthermore the bouncing makes it impossible to balance ones fuel injectors
as you cannot get accurate FF readings.
Finally fed up with the issue we relocated the transducer between the fuel
servo and flow divider. Since then my readings have been rock solid and all
low fuel pressure warnings + bouncing is gone. If building I would not waste
my time placing the transducer in the tunnel again.
Sorry no photos.
Robin
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davidsoutpost@comcast.net
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*Subject:* Re: RV10-List: fuel flow transducer location
I just finished mounting mine yesterday and used the EI red cube FT-60. I
mounted it in the tunnel and have 6" straight line before and after the
cube. I know it is between the electrical Andair pump and the mechanical
pump but it is the recommendation location by Vans and I want less fuel
fittings and lines in the engine compartment. I will move it if needed
after the plane is flying. I will make up a new bypass fuel line while the
tunnel is easily accessible just in case it needs to be moved.
David Clifford
RV-10 Builder
65% Done-95% To Go
N849RV (reserved)
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From: "rvdave" <davidbf@centurytel.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 2:19:45 AM
Subject: RV10-List: fuel flow transducer location
Plans show transducer to be in the tunnel, I've heard there are less
fluctuations if it is placed after the mechanical pump and before
distribution for fuel injection, is this correct?
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Dave Ford
RV6 flying
RV10 building
Cadillac, MI
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| Subject: | fuel flow transducer location |
Has any of you ask about the long term or short term of the vibration from
engine on the transducer,if you mount it on the engine and not a solid piec
e of the aircraft such as the firewqll or engine mount?
-My understanding is it shortens the life of the transducer.
-Just my thoughts.
Patrick Thyssen
--- On Sat, 11/20/10, Robin Marks <Robin@PaintTheWeb.com> wrote:
From: Robin Marks <Robin@PaintTheWeb.com>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: fuel flow transducer location
I mounted mine (not the red cube) in the tunnel with a nice long smooth lea
d in and out of the transducer and my readings were basically useless. Boos
t pump on added 3-5 gph with some bouncing. Boost pump off had 1-3 gph boun
cing including low reading bouncing into the yellow that gave me low fuel f
low warnings both in climb out and randomly in cruse flight. BTW this also
threw off my fuel consumption/remaining fuel calculations. Not good! -Fur
thermore the bouncing makes it impossible to balance ones fuel injectors as
you cannot get accurate FF readings.=0AFinally fed up with the issue we re
located the transducer between the fuel servo and flow divider. Since then
my readings have been rock solid and all low fuel pressure warnings + bounc
ing is gone. If building I would not waste my time placing the transducer i
n the tunnel again.=0ASorry no photos.Robin=0A-=0AFrom: owner-rv10-list-s
erver@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf
Of davidsoutpost@comcast.net
=0ASent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 5:26 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: fuel flow transducer location=0A-I just finished
mounting mine yesterday and used the EI red cube FT-60.- I mounted it in
the tunnel and have 6" straight line before and after the cube.- I know i
t is between the electrical Andair pump and the mechanical pump but it is t
he recommendation location by Vans and I want less fuel fittings and lines
in the engine compartment.- I will move it if needed after the plane is f
lying.- I will make up a new bypass- fuel line while the tunnel is easi
ly accessible just in case it needs to be moved.
=0A
David Clifford
RV-10 Builder
65% Done-95% To Go
N849RV (reserved)
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=0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 2:19:45 AM
Subject: RV10-List: fuel flow transducer location
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Plans show transducer to be in the tunnel, I've heard there are less fluctu
ations if it is placed after the mechanical pump and before distribution fo
r fuel injection, is this correct?
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=0ARV6 flying
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Just a reminder, if you need special fuel AN type fittings Earls has all
kinds of stuff for sale at Off Road/4X4 outlets. Here's their website for
pics.
http://www.holley.com/index.asp?division=Earls
This is the on-line catalog
http://www.holley.com/EarlsCatalog/Catalog.asp?pageNumber=44
Albert Gardner
N991RV
Yuma, AZ
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| Subject: | fuel flow transducer location |
Here is were I mounted mine. 170 HRS and so far so good. I know other
people
have it here as well.
Geoff Combs
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick
Thyssen
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 10:18 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: fuel flow transducer location
Has any of you ask about the long term or short term of the vibration
from
engine on the transducer,if you mount it on the engine and not a solid
piece
of the aircraft such as the firewqll or engine mount?
My understanding is it shortens the life of the transducer.
Just my thoughts.
Patrick Thyssen
--- On Sat, 11/20/10, Robin Marks <Robin@PaintTheWeb.com> wrote:
From: Robin Marks <Robin@PaintTheWeb.com>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: fuel flow transducer location
I mounted mine (not the red cube) in the tunnel with a nice long smooth
lead
in and out of the transducer and my readings were basically useless.
Boost
pump on added 3-5 gph with some bouncing. Boost pump off had 1-3 gph
bouncing including low reading bouncing into the yellow that gave me low
fuel flow warnings both in climb out and randomly in cruse flight. BTW
this
also threw off my fuel consumption/remaining fuel calculations. Not
good!
Furthermore the bouncing makes it impossible to balance ones fuel
injectors
as you cannot get accurate FF readings.
Finally fed up with the issue we relocated the transducer between the
fuel
servo and flow divider. Since then my readings have been rock solid and
all
low fuel pressure warnings + bouncing is gone. If building I would not
waste
my time placing the transducer in the tunnel again.
Sorry no photos.
Robin
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
davidsoutpost@comcast.net
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 5:26 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: fuel flow transducer location
I just finished mounting mine yesterday and used the EI red cube FT-60.
I
mounted it in the tunnel and have 6" straight line before and after the
cube. I know it is between the electrical Andair pump and the
mechanical
pump but it is the recommendation location by Vans and I want less fuel
fittings and lines in the engine compartment. I will move it if needed
after the plane is flying. I will make up a new bypass fuel line while
the
tunnel is easily accessible just in case it needs to be moved.
David Clifford
RV-10 Builder
65% Done-95% To Go
N849RV (reserved)
----- Original Message -----
From: "rvdave" <davidbf@centurytel.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 2:19:45 AM
Subject: RV10-List: fuel flow transducer location
Plans show transducer to be in the tunnel, I've heard there are less
fluctuations if it is placed after the mechanical pump and before
distribution for fuel injection, is this correct?
--------
Dave Ford
RV6 flying
RV10 building
Cadillac, MI
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| Subject: | Re: fuel flow transducer location |
If you look at the documentation that JPI sends with their products for
installing their (Floscan) sensor, it recommends installation on the
hose inline between the servo and the spider, next best location is
between the mech pump and the servo. None of their instructions call for
hard mounting the transducer. Floscan lists the bearing life as 10,000 hrs.
Deems
On 11/20/2010 8:18 AM, Patrick Thyssen wrote:
>
> Has any of you ask about the long term or short term of the vibration
> from engine on the transducer,if you mount it on the engine and not a
> solid piece of the aircraft such as the firewqll or engine mount?
> My understanding is it shortens the life of the transducer.
> Just my thoughts.
> Patrick Thyssen
>
> --- On *Sat, 11/20/10, Robin Marks /<Robin@PaintTheWeb.com>/* wrote:
>
>
> From: Robin Marks <Robin@PaintTheWeb.com>
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: fuel flow transducer location
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Date: Saturday, November 20, 2010, 8:48 AM
>
> I mounted mine (not the red cube) in the tunnel with a nice long
> smooth lead in and out of the transducer and my readings were
> basically useless. Boost pump on added 3-5 gph with some bouncing.
> Boost pump off had 1-3 gph bouncing including low reading bouncing
> into the yellow that gave me low fuel flow warnings both in climb
> out and randomly in cruse flight. BTW this also threw off my fuel
> consumption/remaining fuel calculations. Not good! Furthermore
> the bouncing makes it impossible to balance ones fuel injectors as
> you cannot get accurate FF readings.
>
> Finally fed up with the issue we relocated the transducer between
> the fuel servo and flow divider. Since then my readings have been
> rock solid and all low fuel pressure warnings + bouncing is gone.
> If building I would not waste my time placing the transducer in
> the tunnel again.
>
> Sorry no photos.
>
> Robin
>
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> *Sent:* Saturday, November 20, 2010 5:26 AM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com </mc/compose?to=rv10-list@matronics.com>
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: fuel flow transducer location
>
> I just finished mounting mine yesterday and used the EI red cube
> FT-60. I mounted it in the tunnel and have 6" straight line
> before and after the cube. I know it is between the electrical
> Andair pump and the mechanical pump but it is the recommendation
> location by Vans and I want less fuel fittings and lines in the
> engine compartment. I will move it if needed after the plane is
> flying. I will make up a new bypass fuel line while the tunnel
> is easily accessible just in case it needs to be moved.
>
> David Clifford
>
> RV-10 Builder
> 65% Done-95% To Go
> N849RV (reserved)
>
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> From: "rvdave" <davidbf@centurytel.net
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> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 2:19:45 AM
> Subject: RV10-List: fuel flow transducer location
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> </mc/compose?to=davidbf@centurytel.net>>
>
> Plans show transducer to be in the tunnel, I've heard there are
> less fluctuations if it is placed after the mechanical pump and
> before distribution for fuel injection, is this correct?
>
> --------
> Dave Ford
> RV6 flying
> RV10 building
> Cadillac, MI
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| Subject: | Re: fuel flow transducer location |
I too mounted the GRT unit as shown in the tunnel by Vans; no problems
from beginning TT360
----- Original Message -----
From: davidsoutpost@comcast.net
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 6:26 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: fuel flow transducer location
I just finished mounting mine yesterday and used the EI red cube
FT-60. I mounted it in the tunnel and have 6" straight line before and
after the cube. I know it is between the electrical Andair pump and the
mechanical pump but it is the recommendation location by Vans and I want
less fuel fittings and lines in the engine compartment. I will move it
if needed after the plane is flying. I will make up a new bypass fuel
line while the tunnel is easily accessible just in case it needs to be
moved.
David Clifford
RV-10 Builder
65% Done-95% To Go
N849RV (reserved)
----- Original Message -----
From: "rvdave" <davidbf@centurytel.net>
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 2:19:45 AM
Subject: RV10-List: fuel flow transducer location
Plans show transducer to be in the tunnel, I've heard there are less
fluctuations if it is placed after the mechanical pump and before
distribution for fuel injection, is this correct?
--------
Dave Ford
RV6 flying
RV10 building
Cadillac, MI
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| Subject: | Re: fuel flow transducer location |
Look at the archives for "569JC" (April 2010)
Here is the bottom line however:
What went wrong? The short version: a fuel line broke.
The long version: During final assembly it came to my attention that
people
with the Fuel Flow transducer in the =93Tunnel=94 where experiencing
FF
fluctuation when using the electric pump. The fix? Move the FF
Transducer to
between the Fuel Injection Servo and the Spider. Well, that=92s what I
did.
When I relocated the Transducer I had to fabricate a line between the
Servo
and the Transducer. The line I fabricated was =BC inch aluminum, that
was the
flaw. That line broke just outside the fitting. When I made that line I
made
sure it wasn=92t under any stress, in a natural position, etc.
Apparently that
was not enough. Now, I will say this. This was the one component of the
airplane I was never quite happy with. It just =93didn=92t look
right=94. I had
some other builders take a look, half heartedly hoping they would tell
me
that aluminum was bad and I should change it, but no one did. So it
stayed,
and worked fine for 58 hours.
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/5834625/RV10/photo%203.jpg
Ask yourself, if already installed, if it's worth moving the transducer.
There was talk of this in the past and in the end a high time flyer left
his where it is and knows for the times the fuel pump is on the
transducer is inaccurate but ultimately it plays little factor in the
big scheme of things. I saw Robin's post and know he had pains but I
also know of two others that have not.
I was worried about this in the past so I bring this up so the newer
builders don't get worried about moving the transducer. I say- leave it
alone and deal with it once flying if it's an issue of safety or other
concern.
Pascal
From: Patrick Thyssen
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 7:18 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: fuel flow transducer location
Has any of you ask about the long term or short term of the
vibration from engine on the transducer,if you mount it on the engine
and not a solid piece of the aircraft such as the firewqll or engine
mount?
My understanding is it shortens the life of the transducer.
Just my thoughts.
Patrick Thyssen
--- On Sat, 11/20/10, Robin Marks <Robin@PaintTheWeb.com> wrote:
From: Robin Marks <Robin@PaintTheWeb.com>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: fuel flow transducer location
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Date: Saturday, November 20, 2010, 8:48 AM
I mounted mine (not the red cube) in the tunnel with a nice long
smooth lead in and out of the transducer and my readings were basically
useless. Boost pump on added 3-5 gph with some bouncing. Boost pump off
had 1-3 gph bouncing including low reading bouncing into the yellow that
gave me low fuel flow warnings both in climb out and randomly in cruse
flight. BTW this also threw off my fuel consumption/remaining fuel
calculations. Not good! Furthermore the bouncing makes it impossible to
balance ones fuel injectors as you cannot get accurate FF readings.
Finally fed up with the issue we relocated the transducer
between the fuel servo and flow divider. Since then my readings have
been rock solid and all low fuel pressure warnings + bouncing is gone.
If building I would not waste my time placing the transducer in the
tunnel again.
Sorry no photos.
Robin
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Subject: Re: RV10-List: fuel flow transducer location
I just finished mounting mine yesterday and used the EI red cube
FT-60. I mounted it in the tunnel and have 6" straight line before and
after the cube. I know it is between the electrical Andair pump and the
mechanical pump but it is the recommendation location by Vans and I want
less fuel fittings and lines in the engine compartment. I will move it
if needed after the plane is flying. I will make up a new bypass fuel
line while the tunnel is easily accessible just in case it needs to be
moved.
David Clifford
RV-10 Builder
65% Done-95% To Go
N849RV (reserved)
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Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 2:19:45 AM
Subject: RV10-List: fuel flow transducer location
<davidbf@centurytel.net>
Plans show transducer to be in the tunnel, I've heard there are
less fluctuations if it is placed after the mechanical pump and before
distribution for fuel injection, is this correct?
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RV6 flying
RV10 building
Cadillac, MI
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| Subject: | Re: fuel flow transducer location |
Mine is going in the tunnel per plans. Will move after flying if I feel it is needed
then.
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Grayson, KY Bldr# 40983
Ord complete kit 8/24/09; DB Sch del 11/20/09
Emp 12/01/09-3/14/10 332 hrs
Wings 3/14/10-9/18/10 360 hrs
Fuselage 9/21/10-
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| Subject: | Re: fuel flow transducer location |
I put mine in the tunnel per the plans. Flawless readings after 90+ hrs.
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Q/B - flying 1 yr+
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| Subject: | Re: fuel flow transducer location |
I have had such a different experience. GRT supplied transducer in "stock" t
unnel location. After calibration it hasn't skipped a beat. Does not fluctua
te and doesn't change with or without boost pump Totalizer always within a
gallon of actual used--all this after 200 hours. Now I hope I just didn't j
inks myself. Jay Rowe 40301
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On Nov 20, 2010, at 9:48 AM, Robin Marks <Robin@PaintTheWeb.com> wrote:
> I mounted mine (not the red cube) in the tunnel with a nice long smooth le
ad in and out of the transducer and my readings were basically useless. Boos
t pump on added 3-5 gph with some bouncing. Boost pump off had 1-3 gph bounc
ing including low reading bouncing into the yellow that gave me low fuel flo
w warnings both in climb out and randomly in cruse flight. BTW this also thr
ew off my fuel consumption/remaining fuel calculations. Not good! Furthermo
re the bouncing makes it impossible to balance ones fuel injectors as you ca
nnot get accurate FF readings.
>
> Finally fed up with the issue we relocated the transducer between the fuel
servo and flow divider. Since then my readings have been rock solid and all
low fuel pressure warnings + bouncing is gone. If building I would not wast
e my time placing the transducer in the tunnel again.
>
> Sorry no photos.
>
> Robin
>
>
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@
matronics.com] On Behalf Of davidsoutpost@comcast.net
> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 5:26 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: fuel flow transducer location
>
>
>
> I just finished mounting mine yesterday and used the EI red cube FT-60. I
mounted it in the tunnel and have 6" straight line before and after the cub
e. I know it is between the electrical Andair pump and the mechanical pump b
ut it is the recommendation location by Vans and I want less fuel fittings a
nd lines in the engine compartment. I will move it if needed after the plan
e is flying. I will make up a new bypass fuel line while the tunnel is eas
ily accessible just in case it needs to be moved.
>
> David Clifford
>
> RV-10 Builder
> 65% Done-95% To Go
> N849RV (reserved)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "rvdave" <davidbf@centurytel.net>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 2:19:45 AM
> Subject: RV10-List: fuel flow transducer location
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>
> Plans show transducer to be in the tunnel, I've heard there are less fluct
uations if it is placed after the mechanical pump and before distribution fo
r fuel injection, is this correct?
>
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I've been buying Earl's AN fittings thru JEg's online catalog as they seem
to be a bit cheaper. Usually have a pix of the fitting also.
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Subject: RV10-List: Fuel Fitings
Just a reminder=2C if you need special fuel AN type fittings Earls has all
kinds of stuff for sale at Off Road/4X4 outlets. Here's their website for p
ics. http://www.holley.com/index.asp?division=Earls This is the on-line c
ataloghttp://www.holley.com/EarlsCatalog/Catalog.asp?pageNumber=44 Albert
GardnerN991RVYuma=2C AZ
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Fitings |
I like AN Plumbing http://www.anpluming.com/shop/. I also tried
http://discounthydraulichose.com located here in PA but they do not seem
to want to cater to the small quantities that a typical RV builder might
require. AN Plumbing seems to have reasonable prices, a web site that
is easy to navigate, good selection and no service fee for small orders.
William Curtis
40237
On Nov 20, 2010, at 10:15, "Albert Gardner" <ibspud@roadrunner.com>
wrote:
> Just a reminder, if you need special fuel AN type fittings Earls has
all kinds of stuff for sale at Off Road/4X4 outlets. Here's their
website for pics.
>
> http://www.holley.com/index.asp?division=Earls
>
>
>
> This is the on-line catalog
>
> http://www.holley.com/EarlsCatalog/Catalog.asp?pageNumber=44
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> Albert Gardner
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> N991RV
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Better spell plumBing (with the =9CB=9D) or you
won=99t get there. : ^)
Albert
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Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuel Fitings
I like AN Plumbing http://www.anpluming.com/shop/. I also tried
http://discounthydraulichose.com located here in PA but they do not seem
to want to cater to the small quantities that a typical RV builder might
require. AN Plumbing seems to have reasonable prices, a web site that
is easy to navigate, good selection and no service fee for small orders.
William Curtis
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| Subject: | Re: Rivet Set Recommendation? |
Just an update for those not to the fuse side skins yet. I actually
went with the 7 1/2 inch version of what PJ linked below just to make
sure I cleared the spar with the rivet gun.
http://www.yardstore.com/browse.cfm/4,3741.html
This worked great for the fuse side skins next to the spar. I wish I
had this set when doing the bottom wing skins next to the flap attach
also. One note, that is similar for other longer rivet sets. It takes
quite a bit more pressure with the added length. This is one of those
places that I wished I had gotten a 3x gun instead of a 2x.
-Sean #40303 (long and nasty section 29 almost complete)
On 11/15/10 1:06 PM, PJ Seipel wrote:
>> I used http://www.yardstore.com/browse.cfm/4,3673.html
>>
>> The face is curved enough to give you room for the rivet gun and
>> still keep it flat on the rivet.
>>
>> PJ Seipel
>> RV-10 #40032
>>
>> On 11/15/2010 10:04 AM, Sean Stephens wrote:
>>> What have others used for a rivet set to get the rivets on the fuse
>>> skins next to the spar carry through in the attached pic? I don't
>>> have a
>>> swivel flush set, but maybe that would work?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> -Sean #40303
>>>
>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Rivet Set Recommendation? |
on the rivets near flap hinges and these. Already had this tool and did not want
to buy another tool for just a few places. Just put masking tape over rivets
to help keep it from sliding, have a helper on the other side and keep your set
straight.
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Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08
Grayson, KY Bldr# 40983
Ord complete kit 8/24/09; DB Sch del 11/20/09
Emp 12/01/09-3/14/10 332 hrs
Wings 3/14/10-9/18/10 360 hrs
Fuselage 9/21/10-
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| Subject: | Nose Wheel Turn Limiting Screws |
In the middle of my condition inspection and found the left hand socket screw on
the nose wheel fork has been sheared off cleanly. I have no idea when this happened.
I have had the nose wheel pant off two or three times in the past year
and did not notice it. (that doesn't mean it wasn't already broken the last
time I was in there) [Embarassed]
It looks like it will be a bear to get it out of there. Has anybody else had this
happen? I suspect it was probably an overzealous FBO moving the airplane.
On another note, I just installed Sean's Planearound main gear wheel pant bracket
spacers and they are beautiful! Two years and 310 hours, and mine looked fine,
but these are really nice and I won't be worrying about them again.
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RV-10 #40559
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| Subject: | Re: Nose Wheel Turn Limiting Screws |
David,
Buy yourself an Alden Corp. Drill-Out bolt extractor set from Ace or Home Depot.
These things are great. They have bailed me out of multiple screw ups.
Jim Berry
N15JB
Phase 1
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| Subject: | Re: Nose Wheel Turn Limiting Screws |
Snap on easy outs..... drill an appropriate size hole in the center of
the sheared area. insert easy out, note left hand threads. turning the
easy out left will remove the screw. when removed you will see a sheared
screw with easy out inserted into it. separate and insert new screw.
Screws are available from McMaster Carr.
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From: <dmaib@me.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 4:34 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Nose Wheel Turn Limiting Screws
>
> In the middle of my condition inspection and found the left hand
socket screw on the nose wheel fork has been sheared off cleanly. I have
no idea when this happened. I have had the nose wheel pant off two or
three times in the past year and did not notice it. (that doesn't mean
it wasn't already broken the last time I was in there) [Embarassed]
> It looks like it will be a bear to get it out of there. Has anybody
else had this happen? I suspect it was probably an overzealous FBO
moving the airplane.
>
> On another note, I just installed Sean's Planearound main gear wheel
pant bracket spacers and they are beautiful! Two years and 310 hours,
and mine looked fine, but these are really nice and I won't be worrying
about them again.
>
> --------
> David Maib
> RV-10 #40559
>
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| Subject: | Re: Nose Wheel Turn Limiting Screws |
Thanks guy's. I will get an easy out set and get it out of there. I have an inexpensive
one I bought from Sears a few years ago and have never had any luck with
it, so will get a good one now.
I have been thinking about this and am considering putting some "tow limit" marks
on the nose gear fairing and the wheel pant. I try to make it clear to FBO's
that I want to be there if the airplane is going to be towed, but that is not
always possible. Has anybody else put tow limit marks on the airplane?
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| Subject: | Re: Nose Wheel Turn Limiting Screws |
On my Mooney, turning the nose wheel with a tug past the stops causes
over $1000 worth of damage. FBO's have paid for damage to Mooneys
enough that they are sensitive to the problem and most will honor a no
tow request. I simply ask where I can park to assure that they will
not need to tow it. I have a "Do Not Tow" banner to hang on the nose
gear where tow bar attaches.
On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 6:48 PM, dmaib@me.com <dmaib@me.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks guy's. I will get an easy out set and get it out of there. I have an inexpensive
one I bought from Sears a few years ago and have never had any luck
with it, so will get a good one now.
>
> I have been thinking about this and am considering putting some "tow limit" marks
on the nose gear fairing and the wheel pant. I try to make it clear to FBO's
that I want to be there if the airplane is going to be towed, but that is
not always possible. Has anybody else put tow limit marks on the airplane?
>
> --------
> David Maib
> RV-10 #40559
>
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| Subject: | Re: Nose Wheel Turn Limiting Screws |
If they're so ham-fisted that they broke the stop, then no amount of
marks are going to help. And you'll just get questioned on 'what are
those marks for???'
FWIW, i'll bet that the stop got broken when a lineman pushed it
backwards, got a little speed up and then the nose gear snapped around
to the stop. Replacing the stops with hardened screws would probably
shift the damage somewhere else.
Linn
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> --> RV10-List message posted by: "dmaib@me.com"<dmaib@me.com>
>
> Thanks guy's. I will get an easy out set and get it out of there. I have an inexpensive
one I bought from Sears a few years ago and have never had any luck
with it, so will get a good one now.
>
> I have been thinking about this and am considering putting some "tow limit" marks
on the nose gear fairing and the wheel pant. I try to make it clear to FBO's
that I want to be there if the airplane is going to be towed, but that is
not always possible. Has anybody else put tow limit marks on the airplane?
>
> --------
> David Maib
> RV-10 #40559
>
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| Subject: | Re: Nose Wheel Turn Limiting Screws |
NEVER let a FBO move your plane or fuel it. When I fly to the "full
service" FBOs I always call ahead and tell them I will taxi to parking and
if I get fuel it will be right before departure. All FBOs have honored my
request.
A long time ago I let an FBO fuel my 8A - once. I ended up 7 gallons short
of full tanks on a leg that I really wanted to have the reserve. I noted
the disparity between indicated fuel level (once I burned off some fuel to
get into the indication range) and fuel totalizer so I knew then I was
shorted. No big deal but a good lesson learned.
Carl
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 9:00 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Nose Wheel Turn Limiting Screws
On my Mooney, turning the nose wheel with a tug past the stops causes
over $1000 worth of damage. FBO's have paid for damage to Mooneys
enough that they are sensitive to the problem and most will honor a no
tow request. I simply ask where I can park to assure that they will
not need to tow it. I have a "Do Not Tow" banner to hang on the nose
gear where tow bar attaches.
On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 6:48 PM, dmaib@me.com <dmaib@me.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks guy's. I will get an easy out set and get it out of there. I have
an inexpensive one I bought from Sears a few years ago and have never had
any luck with it, so will get a good one now.
>
> I have been thinking about this and am considering putting some "tow
limit" marks on the nose gear fairing and the wheel pant. I try to make it
clear to FBO's that I want to be there if the airplane is going to be towed,
but that is not always possible. Has anybody else put tow limit marks on the
airplane?
>
> --------
> David Maib
> RV-10 #40559
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Nose Wheel Turn Limiting Screws |
Just piling on to the "don't let the lineman move the plane" thread...Before
I got my wheelpants on, a guy hooked the towbar to some convenient holes in
the front fork and sheared the nose tire valve stem. Pretty unimpressive.
I am quite clear about not moving the airplane now. I was a lineboy in high
school and loved the job and don't mean to generically put down the line
folk, but our airplanes are unique enough to warrant extra care.
Marcus
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Linn Walters
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 9:23 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Nose Wheel Turn Limiting Screws
If they're so ham-fisted that they broke the stop, then no amount of
marks are going to help. And you'll just get questioned on 'what are
those marks for???'
FWIW, i'll bet that the stop got broken when a lineman pushed it
backwards, got a little speed up and then the nose gear snapped around
to the stop. Replacing the stops with hardened screws would probably
shift the damage somewhere else.
Linn
On 11/20/2010 8:48 PM, dmaib@me.com wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "dmaib@me.com"<dmaib@me.com>
>
> Thanks guy's. I will get an easy out set and get it out of there. I have
an inexpensive one I bought from Sears a few years ago and have never had
any luck with it, so will get a good one now.
>
> I have been thinking about this and am considering putting some "tow
limit" marks on the nose gear fairing and the wheel pant. I try to make it
clear to FBO's that I want to be there if the airplane is going to be towed,
but that is not always possible. Has anybody else put tow limit marks on the
airplane?
>
> --------
> David Maib
> RV-10 #40559
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=320219#320219
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