---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 11/20/10: 26 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:41 AM - Re: fuel flow transducer location (David Leikam) 2. 04:51 AM - Re: fuel flow transducer location (Kelly McMullen) 3. 05:35 AM - Re: fuel flow transducer location (davidsoutpost@comcast.net) 4. 06:51 AM - Re: fuel flow transducer location (Robin Marks) 5. 07:25 AM - Re: fuel flow transducer location (Patrick Thyssen) 6. 07:35 AM - Fuel Fitings (Albert Gardner) 7. 08:09 AM - Re: fuel flow transducer location (Geoff Combs) 8. 08:20 AM - Re: fuel flow transducer location (Deems Davis) 9. 08:20 AM - Re: fuel flow transducer location (DLM) 10. 08:21 AM - Re: fuel flow transducer location (Pascal) 11. 08:44 AM - Re: fuel flow transducer location (rv10flyer) 12. 08:53 AM - Re: fuel flow transducer location (AirMike) 13. 08:53 AM - Re: fuel flow transducer location (Jay Rowe) 14. 10:04 AM - Re: Fuel Fitings (Danny Riggs) 15. 12:33 PM - Re: Fuel Fitings (William Curtis) 16. 01:01 PM - Re: Fuel Fitings (Albert Gardner) 17. 02:29 PM - Re: Rivet Set Recommendation? (Sean Stephens) 18. 03:08 PM - Re: Rivet Set Recommendation? (rv10flyer) 19. 03:37 PM - Nose Wheel Turn Limiting Screws (dmaib@me.com) 20. 05:03 PM - Re: Nose Wheel Turn Limiting Screws (Jim Berry) 21. 05:22 PM - Re: Nose Wheel Turn Limiting Screws (DLM) 22. 05:51 PM - Re: Nose Wheel Turn Limiting Screws (dmaib@me.com) 23. 06:02 PM - Re: Re: Nose Wheel Turn Limiting Screws (Kelly McMullen) 24. 06:25 PM - Re: Re: Nose Wheel Turn Limiting Screws (Linn Walters) 25. 07:36 PM - Re: Re: Nose Wheel Turn Limiting Screws (Carl Froehlich) 26. 07:52 PM - Re: Re: Nose Wheel Turn Limiting Screws (Marcus Cooper) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:41:55 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: fuel flow transducer location From: David Leikam I called Flo-Scan about the placement of mine and they told me the worst place to put the sensor is between the electric pump and the mechanical pump. Best would be before both pumps. I put mine after the fuel servo mounted on top of the air box. Flo-Scan said this would work fine. Dave Leikam On Nov 20, 2010, at 1:19 AM, rvdave wrote: > > Plans show transducer to be in the tunnel, I've heard there are less fluctuations if it is placed after the mechanical pump and before distribution for fuel injection, is this correct? > > -------- > Dave Ford > RV6 flying > RV10 building > Cadillac, MI > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=320145#320145 > > > > > > > > > > David Leikam RV10 N89DA ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:51:41 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: fuel flow transducer location From: Kelly McMullen As always, it depends. You want straight hose on either side of the transducer for smooth transition without burbles. Sometimes that is easier between fuel pump and servo, sometimes easier between servo and flow divider. I suppose if one moved the boost pump and filter forward in the tunnel it could be ahead of the filter. On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 5:38 AM, David Leikam wrote: > > I called Flo-Scan about the placement of mine and they told me the worst place to put the sensor is between the electric pump and the mechanical pump. Best would be before both pumps. I put mine after the fuel servo mounted on top of the air box. Flo-Scan said this would work fine. > > Dave Leikam > > On Nov 20, 2010, at 1:19 AM, rvdave wrote: > >> >> Plans show transducer to be in the tunnel, I've heard there are less fluctuations if it is placed after the mechanical pump and before distribution for fuel injection, is this correct? >> >> -------- >> Dave Ford >> RV6 flying >> RV10 building >> Cadillac, MI >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=320145#320145 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > David Leikam > RV10 > N89DA > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:35:24 AM PST US From: davidsoutpost@comcast.net Subject: Re: RV10-List: fuel flow transducer location I just finished mounting mine yesterday and used the EI red cube FT-60. I mounted it in the tunnel and have 6" straight line before and after the cube. I know it is between the electrical Andair pump and the mechanical pump but it is the recommendation location by Vans and I want less fuel fittings and lines in the engine compartment. I will move it if needed after the plane is flying. I will make up a new bypass fuel line while the tunnel is easily accessible just in case it needs to be moved. David Clifford RV-10 Builder 65% Done-95% To Go N849RV (reserved) ----- Original Message ----- From: "rvdave" Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 2:19:45 AM Subject: RV10-List: fuel flow transducer location Plans show transducer to be in the tunnel, I've heard there are less fluctuations if it is placed after the mechanical pump and before distribution for fuel injection, is this correct? -------- Dave Ford RV6 flying RV10 building Cadillac, MI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=320145#320145 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:51:16 AM PST US From: Robin Marks Subject: RE: RV10-List: fuel flow transducer location I mounted mine (not the red cube) in the tunnel with a nice long smooth lead in and out of the transducer and my readings were basically useless. Boost pump on added 3-5 gph with some bouncing. Boost pump off had 1-3 gph bouncing including low reading bouncing into the yellow that gave me low fuel flow warnings both in climb out and randomly in cruse flight. BTW this also threw off my fuel consumption/remaining fuel calculations. Not good! Furthermore the bouncing makes it impossible to balance ones fuel injectors as you cannot get accurate FF readings. Finally fed up with the issue we relocated the transducer between the fuel servo and flow divider. Since then my readings have been rock solid and all low fuel pressure warnings + bouncing is gone. If building I would not waste my time placing the transducer in the tunnel again. Sorry no photos. Robin *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of * davidsoutpost@comcast.net *Sent:* Saturday, November 20, 2010 5:26 AM *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: fuel flow transducer location I just finished mounting mine yesterday and used the EI red cube FT-60. I mounted it in the tunnel and have 6" straight line before and after the cube. I know it is between the electrical Andair pump and the mechanical pump but it is the recommendation location by Vans and I want less fuel fittings and lines in the engine compartment. I will move it if needed after the plane is flying. I will make up a new bypass fuel line while the tunnel is easily accessible just in case it needs to be moved. David Clifford RV-10 Builder 65% Done-95% To Go N849RV (reserved) ----- Original Message ----- From: "rvdave" Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 2:19:45 AM Subject: RV10-List: fuel flow transducer location Plans show transducer to be in the tunnel, I've heard there are less fluctuations if it is placed after the mechanical pump and before distribution for fuel injection, is this correct? -------- Dave Ford RV6 flying RV10 building Cadillac, MI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/view &nbs========= * * * * ------------------------------ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:25:18 AM PST US From: Patrick Thyssen Subject: RE: RV10-List: fuel flow transducer location Has any of you ask about the long term or short term of the vibration from engine on the transducer,if you mount it on the engine and not a solid piec e of the aircraft such as the firewqll or engine mount? -My understanding is it shortens the life of the transducer. -Just my thoughts. Patrick Thyssen --- On Sat, 11/20/10, Robin Marks wrote: From: Robin Marks Subject: RE: RV10-List: fuel flow transducer location I mounted mine (not the red cube) in the tunnel with a nice long smooth lea d in and out of the transducer and my readings were basically useless. Boos t pump on added 3-5 gph with some bouncing. Boost pump off had 1-3 gph boun cing including low reading bouncing into the yellow that gave me low fuel f low warnings both in climb out and randomly in cruse flight. BTW this also threw off my fuel consumption/remaining fuel calculations. Not good! -Fur thermore the bouncing makes it impossible to balance ones fuel injectors as you cannot get accurate FF readings.=0AFinally fed up with the issue we re located the transducer between the fuel servo and flow divider. Since then my readings have been rock solid and all low fuel pressure warnings + bounc ing is gone. If building I would not waste my time placing the transducer i n the tunnel again.=0ASorry no photos.Robin=0A-=0AFrom: owner-rv10-list-s erver@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of davidsoutpost@comcast.net =0ASent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 5:26 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: fuel flow transducer location=0A-I just finished mounting mine yesterday and used the EI red cube FT-60.- I mounted it in the tunnel and have 6" straight line before and after the cube.- I know i t is between the electrical Andair pump and the mechanical pump but it is t he recommendation location by Vans and I want less fuel fittings and lines in the engine compartment.- I will move it if needed after the plane is f lying.- I will make up a new bypass- fuel line while the tunnel is easi ly accessible just in case it needs to be moved. =0A David Clifford RV-10 Builder 65% Done-95% To Go N849RV (reserved) ----- Original Message ----- From: "rvdave" =0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 2:19:45 AM Subject: RV10-List: fuel flow transducer location =0A Plans show transducer to be in the tunnel, I've heard there are less fluctu ations if it is placed after the mechanical pump and before distribution fo r fuel injection, is this correct? -------- Dave Ford =0ARV6 flying RV10 building Cadillac, MI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/view - - - - - - - - - - &n bs========= =0A --=0A-------- (And Get Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!)=0Ae Co ntribution link below to find out more about=0Aee Incentive Gifts providedw ww.aeroelectric.comookstore www.buildersbooks.com=0Aef="http://www.homebu ilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com=0Aontribution">http://www.matronics.com/ contribution =0A================= =0A= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, =0Amatronics.com/Navi gator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List=0A=== ============== =0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com =0A==================0ANo virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.115=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:35:51 AM PST US From: "Albert Gardner" Subject: RV10-List: Fuel Fitings Just a reminder, if you need special fuel AN type fittings Earls has all kinds of stuff for sale at Off Road/4X4 outlets. Here's their website for pics. http://www.holley.com/index.asp?division=Earls This is the on-line catalog http://www.holley.com/EarlsCatalog/Catalog.asp?pageNumber=44 Albert Gardner N991RV Yuma, AZ ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:09:38 AM PST US From: "Geoff Combs" Subject: RE: RV10-List: fuel flow transducer location Here is were I mounted mine. 170 HRS and so far so good. I know other people have it here as well. Geoff Combs -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Thyssen Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 10:18 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: fuel flow transducer location Has any of you ask about the long term or short term of the vibration from engine on the transducer,if you mount it on the engine and not a solid piece of the aircraft such as the firewqll or engine mount? My understanding is it shortens the life of the transducer. Just my thoughts. Patrick Thyssen --- On Sat, 11/20/10, Robin Marks wrote: From: Robin Marks Subject: RE: RV10-List: fuel flow transducer location I mounted mine (not the red cube) in the tunnel with a nice long smooth lead in and out of the transducer and my readings were basically useless. Boost pump on added 3-5 gph with some bouncing. Boost pump off had 1-3 gph bouncing including low reading bouncing into the yellow that gave me low fuel flow warnings both in climb out and randomly in cruse flight. BTW this also threw off my fuel consumption/remaining fuel calculations. Not good! Furthermore the bouncing makes it impossible to balance ones fuel injectors as you cannot get accurate FF readings. Finally fed up with the issue we relocated the transducer between the fuel servo and flow divider. Since then my readings have been rock solid and all low fuel pressure warnings + bouncing is gone. If building I would not waste my time placing the transducer in the tunnel again. Sorry no photos. Robin From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of davidsoutpost@comcast.net Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 5:26 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: fuel flow transducer location I just finished mounting mine yesterday and used the EI red cube FT-60. I mounted it in the tunnel and have 6" straight line before and after the cube. I know it is between the electrical Andair pump and the mechanical pump but it is the recommendation location by Vans and I want less fuel fittings and lines in the engine compartment. I will move it if needed after the plane is flying. I will make up a new bypass fuel line while the tunnel is easily accessible just in case it needs to be moved. David Clifford RV-10 Builder 65% Done-95% To Go N849RV (reserved) ----- Original Message ----- From: "rvdave" Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 2:19:45 AM Subject: RV10-List: fuel flow transducer location Plans show transducer to be in the tunnel, I've heard there are less fluctuations if it is placed after the mechanical pump and before distribution for fuel injection, is this correct? -------- Dave Ford RV6 flying RV10 building Cadillac, MI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/view &nbs========= (And Get Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!) e Contribution link below to find out more about ee Incentive Gifts provided www.aeroelectric.com ookstore www.buildersbooks.com ef="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com ontribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ================ = the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV1 0-L ist ================ http://forums.matronics.com ================= _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.115 wwrget="_blank" href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com> http://www.matronics.com/co_blank" href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List" >http://www.mal="nofollow" target="_blank" ============ ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:20:10 AM PST US From: Deems Davis Subject: Re: RV10-List: fuel flow transducer location If you look at the documentation that JPI sends with their products for installing their (Floscan) sensor, it recommends installation on the hose inline between the servo and the spider, next best location is between the mech pump and the servo. None of their instructions call for hard mounting the transducer. Floscan lists the bearing life as 10,000 hrs. Deems On 11/20/2010 8:18 AM, Patrick Thyssen wrote: > > Has any of you ask about the long term or short term of the vibration > from engine on the transducer,if you mount it on the engine and not a > solid piece of the aircraft such as the firewqll or engine mount? > My understanding is it shortens the life of the transducer. > Just my thoughts. > Patrick Thyssen > > --- On *Sat, 11/20/10, Robin Marks //* wrote: > > > From: Robin Marks > Subject: RE: RV10-List: fuel flow transducer location > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Date: Saturday, November 20, 2010, 8:48 AM > > I mounted mine (not the red cube) in the tunnel with a nice long > smooth lead in and out of the transducer and my readings were > basically useless. Boost pump on added 3-5 gph with some bouncing. > Boost pump off had 1-3 gph bouncing including low reading bouncing > into the yellow that gave me low fuel flow warnings both in climb > out and randomly in cruse flight. BTW this also threw off my fuel > consumption/remaining fuel calculations. Not good! Furthermore > the bouncing makes it impossible to balance ones fuel injectors as > you cannot get accurate FF readings. > > Finally fed up with the issue we relocated the transducer between > the fuel servo and flow divider. Since then my readings have been > rock solid and all low fuel pressure warnings + bouncing is gone. > If building I would not waste my time placing the transducer in > the tunnel again. > > Sorry no photos. > > Robin > > *From:*owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > ] *On Behalf > Of *davidsoutpost@comcast.net > > *Sent:* Saturday, November 20, 2010 5:26 AM > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: fuel flow transducer location > > I just finished mounting mine yesterday and used the EI red cube > FT-60. I mounted it in the tunnel and have 6" straight line > before and after the cube. I know it is between the electrical > Andair pump and the mechanical pump but it is the recommendation > location by Vans and I want less fuel fittings and lines in the > engine compartment. I will move it if needed after the plane is > flying. I will make up a new bypass fuel line while the tunnel > is easily accessible just in case it needs to be moved. > > David Clifford > > RV-10 Builder > 65% Done-95% To Go > N849RV (reserved) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "rvdave" > > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 2:19:45 AM > Subject: RV10-List: fuel flow transducer location > > > > > Plans show transducer to be in the tunnel, I've heard there are > less fluctuations if it is placed after the mechanical pump and > before distribution for fuel injection, is this correct? > > -------- > Dave Ford > RV6 flying > RV10 building > Cadillac, MI > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/view &nbs========= > > > * * > > * * > > (And Get Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!) e Contribution link > below to find out more about ee Incentive Gifts provided > > *www.aeroelectric.com* > > ookstore www.buildersbooks.com > ef="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com > ontribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ================= = the many List utilities such as List > Un/Subscription, > matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List================ > http://forums.matronics.com ================ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.115 > > *wwrget="_blank" href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com> http://www.matronics.com/co_blank" href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.mal="nofollow" target="_blank" > ============ > * > > * > > * ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:20:10 AM PST US From: "DLM" Subject: Re: RV10-List: fuel flow transducer location I too mounted the GRT unit as shown in the tunnel by Vans; no problems from beginning TT360 ----- Original Message ----- From: davidsoutpost@comcast.net To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 6:26 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: fuel flow transducer location I just finished mounting mine yesterday and used the EI red cube FT-60. I mounted it in the tunnel and have 6" straight line before and after the cube. I know it is between the electrical Andair pump and the mechanical pump but it is the recommendation location by Vans and I want less fuel fittings and lines in the engine compartment. I will move it if needed after the plane is flying. I will make up a new bypass fuel line while the tunnel is easily accessible just in case it needs to be moved. David Clifford RV-10 Builder 65% Done-95% To Go N849RV (reserved) ----- Original Message ----- From: "rvdave" To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 2:19:45 AM Subject: RV10-List: fuel flow transducer location Plans show transducer to be in the tunnel, I've heard there are less fluctuations if it is placed after the mechanical pump and before distribution for fuel injection, is this correct? -------- Dave Ford RV6 flying RV10 building Cadillac, MI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/view &nbs========= ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:21:22 AM PST US From: "Pascal" Subject: Re: RV10-List: fuel flow transducer location Look at the archives for "569JC" (April 2010) Here is the bottom line however: What went wrong? The short version: a fuel line broke. The long version: During final assembly it came to my attention that people with the Fuel Flow transducer in the =93Tunnel=94 where experiencing FF fluctuation when using the electric pump. The fix? Move the FF Transducer to between the Fuel Injection Servo and the Spider. Well, that=92s what I did. When I relocated the Transducer I had to fabricate a line between the Servo and the Transducer. The line I fabricated was =BC inch aluminum, that was the flaw. That line broke just outside the fitting. When I made that line I made sure it wasn=92t under any stress, in a natural position, etc. Apparently that was not enough. Now, I will say this. This was the one component of the airplane I was never quite happy with. It just =93didn=92t look right=94. I had some other builders take a look, half heartedly hoping they would tell me that aluminum was bad and I should change it, but no one did. So it stayed, and worked fine for 58 hours. https://dl.dropbox.com/u/5834625/RV10/photo%203.jpg Ask yourself, if already installed, if it's worth moving the transducer. There was talk of this in the past and in the end a high time flyer left his where it is and knows for the times the fuel pump is on the transducer is inaccurate but ultimately it plays little factor in the big scheme of things. I saw Robin's post and know he had pains but I also know of two others that have not. I was worried about this in the past so I bring this up so the newer builders don't get worried about moving the transducer. I say- leave it alone and deal with it once flying if it's an issue of safety or other concern. Pascal From: Patrick Thyssen Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 7:18 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: fuel flow transducer location Has any of you ask about the long term or short term of the vibration from engine on the transducer,if you mount it on the engine and not a solid piece of the aircraft such as the firewqll or engine mount? My understanding is it shortens the life of the transducer. Just my thoughts. Patrick Thyssen --- On Sat, 11/20/10, Robin Marks wrote: From: Robin Marks Subject: RE: RV10-List: fuel flow transducer location To: rv10-list@matronics.com Date: Saturday, November 20, 2010, 8:48 AM I mounted mine (not the red cube) in the tunnel with a nice long smooth lead in and out of the transducer and my readings were basically useless. Boost pump on added 3-5 gph with some bouncing. Boost pump off had 1-3 gph bouncing including low reading bouncing into the yellow that gave me low fuel flow warnings both in climb out and randomly in cruse flight. BTW this also threw off my fuel consumption/remaining fuel calculations. Not good! Furthermore the bouncing makes it impossible to balance ones fuel injectors as you cannot get accurate FF readings. Finally fed up with the issue we relocated the transducer between the fuel servo and flow divider. Since then my readings have been rock solid and all low fuel pressure warnings + bouncing is gone. If building I would not waste my time placing the transducer in the tunnel again. Sorry no photos. Robin From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of davidsoutpost@comcast.net Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 5:26 AM To: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: fuel flow transducer location I just finished mounting mine yesterday and used the EI red cube FT-60. I mounted it in the tunnel and have 6" straight line before and after the cube. I know it is between the electrical Andair pump and the mechanical pump but it is the recommendation location by Vans and I want less fuel fittings and lines in the engine compartment. I will move it if needed after the plane is flying. I will make up a new bypass fuel line while the tunnel is easily accessible just in case it needs to be moved. David Clifford RV-10 Builder 65% Done-95% To Go N849RV (reserved) ----- Original Message ----- From: "rvdave" To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 2:19:45 AM Subject: RV10-List: fuel flow transducer location Plans show transducer to be in the tunnel, I've heard there are less fluctuations if it is placed after the mechanical pump and before distribution for fuel injection, is this correct? -------- Dave Ford RV6 flying RV10 building Cadillac, MI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/view &nbs========= (And Get Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!) e Contribution link below to find out more about ee Incentive Gifts provided www.aeroelectric.comookstore www.buildersbooks.com ef="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com ontribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ================ = the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV1 0-List ================ http://forums.matronics.com ================= ------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.115 wwrget="_blank" href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com> http://www.matronics.com/co_blank" href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.mal="n ofollow" target="_blank" ============= ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:44:47 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: fuel flow transducer location From: "rv10flyer" Mine is going in the tunnel per plans. Will move after flying if I feel it is needed then. -------- Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08 Grayson, KY Bldr# 40983 Ord complete kit 8/24/09; DB Sch del 11/20/09 Emp 12/01/09-3/14/10 332 hrs Wings 3/14/10-9/18/10 360 hrs Fuselage 9/21/10- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=320174#320174 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:53:04 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: fuel flow transducer location From: "AirMike" I put mine in the tunnel per the plans. Flawless readings after 90+ hrs. -------- See you OSH '11 Q/B - flying 1 yr+ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=320177#320177 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:53:05 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: fuel flow transducer location From: Jay Rowe I have had such a different experience. GRT supplied transducer in "stock" t unnel location. After calibration it hasn't skipped a beat. Does not fluctua te and doesn't change with or without boost pump Totalizer always within a gallon of actual used--all this after 200 hours. Now I hope I just didn't j inks myself. Jay Rowe 40301 Sent from my iPhone On Nov 20, 2010, at 9:48 AM, Robin Marks wrote: > I mounted mine (not the red cube) in the tunnel with a nice long smooth le ad in and out of the transducer and my readings were basically useless. Boos t pump on added 3-5 gph with some bouncing. Boost pump off had 1-3 gph bounc ing including low reading bouncing into the yellow that gave me low fuel flo w warnings both in climb out and randomly in cruse flight. BTW this also thr ew off my fuel consumption/remaining fuel calculations. Not good! Furthermo re the bouncing makes it impossible to balance ones fuel injectors as you ca nnot get accurate FF readings. > > Finally fed up with the issue we relocated the transducer between the fuel servo and flow divider. Since then my readings have been rock solid and all low fuel pressure warnings + bouncing is gone. If building I would not wast e my time placing the transducer in the tunnel again. > > Sorry no photos. > > Robin > > > > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@ matronics.com] On Behalf Of davidsoutpost@comcast.net > Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 5:26 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: fuel flow transducer location > > > > I just finished mounting mine yesterday and used the EI red cube FT-60. I mounted it in the tunnel and have 6" straight line before and after the cub e. I know it is between the electrical Andair pump and the mechanical pump b ut it is the recommendation location by Vans and I want less fuel fittings a nd lines in the engine compartment. I will move it if needed after the plan e is flying. I will make up a new bypass fuel line while the tunnel is eas ily accessible just in case it needs to be moved. > > David Clifford > > RV-10 Builder > 65% Done-95% To Go > N849RV (reserved) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "rvdave" > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 2:19:45 AM > Subject: RV10-List: fuel flow transducer location > > > Plans show transducer to be in the tunnel, I've heard there are less fluct uations if it is placed after the mechanical pump and before distribution fo r fuel injection, is this correct? > > -------- > Dave Ford > RV6 flying > RV10 building > Cadillac, MI > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/view &nbs====== === > > > > > > (And Get Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!) e Contribution link below to f ind out more about ee Incentive Gifts provided > www.aeroelectric.com > ookstore www.buildersbooks.com ef="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.hom ebuilthelp.com ontribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ==== ============ > = the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, matronics.com/Na vigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List ==== ============ > http://forums.matronics.com ================ > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.115 > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:04:44 AM PST US From: Danny Riggs Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fuel Fitings I've been buying Earl's AN fittings thru JEg's online catalog as they seem to be a bit cheaper. Usually have a pix of the fitting also. From: ibspud@roadrunner.com Subject: RV10-List: Fuel Fitings Just a reminder=2C if you need special fuel AN type fittings Earls has all kinds of stuff for sale at Off Road/4X4 outlets. Here's their website for p ics. http://www.holley.com/index.asp?division=Earls This is the on-line c ataloghttp://www.holley.com/EarlsCatalog/Catalog.asp?pageNumber=44 Albert GardnerN991RVYuma=2C AZ ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:33:42 PM PST US From: William Curtis Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuel Fitings I like AN Plumbing http://www.anpluming.com/shop/. I also tried http://discounthydraulichose.com located here in PA but they do not seem to want to cater to the small quantities that a typical RV builder might require. AN Plumbing seems to have reasonable prices, a web site that is easy to navigate, good selection and no service fee for small orders. William Curtis 40237 On Nov 20, 2010, at 10:15, "Albert Gardner" wrote: > Just a reminder, if you need special fuel AN type fittings Earls has all kinds of stuff for sale at Off Road/4X4 outlets. Here's their website for pics. > > http://www.holley.com/index.asp?division=Earls > > > > This is the on-line catalog > > http://www.holley.com/EarlsCatalog/Catalog.asp?pageNumber=44 > > > > Albert Gardner > > N991RV > > Yuma, AZ > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:01:35 PM PST US From: "Albert Gardner" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fuel Fitings Better spell plumBing (with the =9CB=9D) or you won=99t get there. : ^) Albert From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Curtis Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 1:29 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuel Fitings I like AN Plumbing http://www.anpluming.com/shop/. I also tried http://discounthydraulichose.com located here in PA but they do not seem to want to cater to the small quantities that a typical RV builder might require. AN Plumbing seems to have reasonable prices, a web site that is easy to navigate, good selection and no service fee for small orders. William Curtis 40237 ============== ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:29:42 PM PST US From: Sean Stephens Subject: Re: RV10-List: Rivet Set Recommendation? Just an update for those not to the fuse side skins yet. I actually went with the 7 1/2 inch version of what PJ linked below just to make sure I cleared the spar with the rivet gun. http://www.yardstore.com/browse.cfm/4,3741.html This worked great for the fuse side skins next to the spar. I wish I had this set when doing the bottom wing skins next to the flap attach also. One note, that is similar for other longer rivet sets. It takes quite a bit more pressure with the added length. This is one of those places that I wished I had gotten a 3x gun instead of a 2x. -Sean #40303 (long and nasty section 29 almost complete) On 11/15/10 1:06 PM, PJ Seipel wrote: >> I used http://www.yardstore.com/browse.cfm/4,3673.html >> >> The face is curved enough to give you room for the rivet gun and >> still keep it flat on the rivet. >> >> PJ Seipel >> RV-10 #40032 >> >> On 11/15/2010 10:04 AM, Sean Stephens wrote: >>> What have others used for a rivet set to get the rivets on the fuse >>> skins next to the spar carry through in the attached pic? I don't >>> have a >>> swivel flush set, but maybe that would work? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> -Sean #40303 >>> >>> ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:08:59 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Rivet Set Recommendation? From: "rv10flyer" on the rivets near flap hinges and these. Already had this tool and did not want to buy another tool for just a few places. Just put masking tape over rivets to help keep it from sliding, have a helper on the other side and keep your set straight. -------- Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08 Grayson, KY Bldr# 40983 Ord complete kit 8/24/09; DB Sch del 11/20/09 Emp 12/01/09-3/14/10 332 hrs Wings 3/14/10-9/18/10 360 hrs Fuselage 9/21/10- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=320199#320199 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:37:19 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Nose Wheel Turn Limiting Screws From: "dmaib@me.com" In the middle of my condition inspection and found the left hand socket screw on the nose wheel fork has been sheared off cleanly. I have no idea when this happened. I have had the nose wheel pant off two or three times in the past year and did not notice it. (that doesn't mean it wasn't already broken the last time I was in there) [Embarassed] It looks like it will be a bear to get it out of there. Has anybody else had this happen? I suspect it was probably an overzealous FBO moving the airplane. On another note, I just installed Sean's Planearound main gear wheel pant bracket spacers and they are beautiful! Two years and 310 hours, and mine looked fine, but these are really nice and I won't be worrying about them again. -------- David Maib RV-10 #40559 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=320203#320203 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 05:03:33 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Nose Wheel Turn Limiting Screws From: "Jim Berry" David, Buy yourself an Alden Corp. Drill-Out bolt extractor set from Ace or Home Depot. These things are great. They have bailed me out of multiple screw ups. Jim Berry N15JB Phase 1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=320215#320215 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 05:22:43 PM PST US From: "DLM" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Nose Wheel Turn Limiting Screws Snap on easy outs..... drill an appropriate size hole in the center of the sheared area. insert easy out, note left hand threads. turning the easy out left will remove the screw. when removed you will see a sheared screw with easy out inserted into it. separate and insert new screw. Screws are available from McMaster Carr. ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 4:34 PM Subject: RV10-List: Nose Wheel Turn Limiting Screws > > In the middle of my condition inspection and found the left hand socket screw on the nose wheel fork has been sheared off cleanly. I have no idea when this happened. I have had the nose wheel pant off two or three times in the past year and did not notice it. (that doesn't mean it wasn't already broken the last time I was in there) [Embarassed] > It looks like it will be a bear to get it out of there. Has anybody else had this happen? I suspect it was probably an overzealous FBO moving the airplane. > > On another note, I just installed Sean's Planearound main gear wheel pant bracket spacers and they are beautiful! Two years and 310 hours, and mine looked fine, but these are really nice and I won't be worrying about them again. > > -------- > David Maib > RV-10 #40559 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=320203#320203 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 05:51:16 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Nose Wheel Turn Limiting Screws From: "dmaib@me.com" Thanks guy's. I will get an easy out set and get it out of there. I have an inexpensive one I bought from Sears a few years ago and have never had any luck with it, so will get a good one now. I have been thinking about this and am considering putting some "tow limit" marks on the nose gear fairing and the wheel pant. I try to make it clear to FBO's that I want to be there if the airplane is going to be towed, but that is not always possible. Has anybody else put tow limit marks on the airplane? -------- David Maib RV-10 #40559 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=320219#320219 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 06:02:56 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Nose Wheel Turn Limiting Screws From: Kelly McMullen On my Mooney, turning the nose wheel with a tug past the stops causes over $1000 worth of damage. FBO's have paid for damage to Mooneys enough that they are sensitive to the problem and most will honor a no tow request. I simply ask where I can park to assure that they will not need to tow it. I have a "Do Not Tow" banner to hang on the nose gear where tow bar attaches. On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 6:48 PM, dmaib@me.com wrote: > > Thanks guy's. I will get an easy out set and get it out of there. I have an inexpensive one I bought from Sears a few years ago and have never had any luck with it, so will get a good one now. > > I have been thinking about this and am considering putting some "tow limit" marks on the nose gear fairing and the wheel pant. I try to make it clear to FBO's that I want to be there if the airplane is going to be towed, but that is not always possible. Has anybody else put tow limit marks on the airplane? > > -------- > David Maib > RV-10 #40559 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=320219#320219 > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 06:25:45 PM PST US From: Linn Walters Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Nose Wheel Turn Limiting Screws If they're so ham-fisted that they broke the stop, then no amount of marks are going to help. And you'll just get questioned on 'what are those marks for???' FWIW, i'll bet that the stop got broken when a lineman pushed it backwards, got a little speed up and then the nose gear snapped around to the stop. Replacing the stops with hardened screws would probably shift the damage somewhere else. Linn On 11/20/2010 8:48 PM, dmaib@me.com wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "dmaib@me.com" > > Thanks guy's. I will get an easy out set and get it out of there. I have an inexpensive one I bought from Sears a few years ago and have never had any luck with it, so will get a good one now. > > I have been thinking about this and am considering putting some "tow limit" marks on the nose gear fairing and the wheel pant. I try to make it clear to FBO's that I want to be there if the airplane is going to be towed, but that is not always possible. Has anybody else put tow limit marks on the airplane? > > -------- > David Maib > RV-10 #40559 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=320219#320219 > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 07:36:17 PM PST US From: "Carl Froehlich" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Nose Wheel Turn Limiting Screws NEVER let a FBO move your plane or fuel it. When I fly to the "full service" FBOs I always call ahead and tell them I will taxi to parking and if I get fuel it will be right before departure. All FBOs have honored my request. A long time ago I let an FBO fuel my 8A - once. I ended up 7 gallons short of full tanks on a leg that I really wanted to have the reserve. I noted the disparity between indicated fuel level (once I burned off some fuel to get into the indication range) and fuel totalizer so I knew then I was shorted. No big deal but a good lesson learned. Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 9:00 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Nose Wheel Turn Limiting Screws On my Mooney, turning the nose wheel with a tug past the stops causes over $1000 worth of damage. FBO's have paid for damage to Mooneys enough that they are sensitive to the problem and most will honor a no tow request. I simply ask where I can park to assure that they will not need to tow it. I have a "Do Not Tow" banner to hang on the nose gear where tow bar attaches. On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 6:48 PM, dmaib@me.com wrote: > > Thanks guy's. I will get an easy out set and get it out of there. I have an inexpensive one I bought from Sears a few years ago and have never had any luck with it, so will get a good one now. > > I have been thinking about this and am considering putting some "tow limit" marks on the nose gear fairing and the wheel pant. I try to make it clear to FBO's that I want to be there if the airplane is going to be towed, but that is not always possible. Has anybody else put tow limit marks on the airplane? > > -------- > David Maib > RV-10 #40559 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=320219#320219 > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 07:52:45 PM PST US From: "Marcus Cooper" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Nose Wheel Turn Limiting Screws Just piling on to the "don't let the lineman move the plane" thread...Before I got my wheelpants on, a guy hooked the towbar to some convenient holes in the front fork and sheared the nose tire valve stem. Pretty unimpressive. I am quite clear about not moving the airplane now. I was a lineboy in high school and loved the job and don't mean to generically put down the line folk, but our airplanes are unique enough to warrant extra care. Marcus -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Linn Walters Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 9:23 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Nose Wheel Turn Limiting Screws If they're so ham-fisted that they broke the stop, then no amount of marks are going to help. And you'll just get questioned on 'what are those marks for???' FWIW, i'll bet that the stop got broken when a lineman pushed it backwards, got a little speed up and then the nose gear snapped around to the stop. Replacing the stops with hardened screws would probably shift the damage somewhere else. Linn On 11/20/2010 8:48 PM, dmaib@me.com wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "dmaib@me.com" > > Thanks guy's. I will get an easy out set and get it out of there. I have an inexpensive one I bought from Sears a few years ago and have never had any luck with it, so will get a good one now. > > I have been thinking about this and am considering putting some "tow limit" marks on the nose gear fairing and the wheel pant. I try to make it clear to FBO's that I want to be there if the airplane is going to be towed, but that is not always possible. Has anybody else put tow limit marks on the airplane? > > -------- > David Maib > RV-10 #40559 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=320219#320219 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.