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1. 02:45 AM - Re: I-Pad question (Lenny Iszak)
2. 04:41 AM - Re: Re: I-Pad question (Tim Olson)
3. 04:44 AM - Re: I-Pad question (Michael Kraus)
4. 04:55 AM - Re: I-Pad question (Tim Olson)
5. 05:02 AM - Re: Re: I-Pad question (Kelly McMullen)
6. 05:14 AM - Re: I-Pad question (Kelly McMullen)
7. 07:25 AM - Re: I-Pad question (Danny Riggs)
8. 07:34 AM - Fw: B: iPad GPS (Kelly McMullen)
9. 07:40 AM - And another iPad question (curtis groote)
10. 08:50 AM - Re: And another iPad question (Tim Olson)
11. 10:50 AM - Re: And another iPad question (DLM)
12. 11:11 AM - Re: GPS antenna location (Bill Watson)
13. 11:26 AM - Re: GPS antenna location (Linn Walters)
14. 03:31 PM - Re: GPS antenna location (Bill Watson)
15. 04:12 PM - Re: GPS antenna location (davidsoutpost@comcast.net)
16. 05:19 PM - Re: GPS antenna location (DLM)
17. 07:14 PM - Re: GPS antenna location (davidsoutpost@comcast.net)
18. 07:36 PM - Off Topic--FAA Rulemaking (Dave Saylor)
19. 07:40 PM - engine mount ears and attaching the Bendix Throttle body (John Gonzalez)
20. 10:05 PM - Re: engine mount ears and attaching the Bendix Throttle body (Bob Turner)
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| Subject: | Re: I-Pad question |
Mike,
Only the 3G version has a built-in GPS.
You will still be able to use a bluetooth GPS in either unit as long as you have
it jailbroken.
Lenny
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| Subject: | Re: I-Pad question |
Either way I'd get the 3G version...for
GPS and the occasional data plan since you can go month to month.
The GPS built in actually works well and it's nice to use in the car too.
On Nov 26, 2010, at 4:42 AM, "Lenny Iszak" <lenard@rapiddecision.com> wrote:
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| Subject: | Re: I-Pad question |
Gotta have the 3G model if you want an internal GPS. The wifi model does not have
a GPS. I have a 3G model but I don't have the 3G data activated (because
i have an iphone and don't want to pay for 2 data plans) and it works great as
a moving map gps, as long as you download the maps prior to flight. Just FYI,
It is really hard (if not impossible) to get a signal in the air long enough
for weather or map updates.
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 26, 2010, at 1:51 AM, "AirMike" <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net> wrote:
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> Thinking about buying an I-Pad. Should I get the 3G model so that I can get en-route
weather (when I can get a cel signal). Or is it a waste of money to get
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| Subject: | Re: I-Pad question |
Definitely true....if you're planning to use 3G for in-flight
Wx you'll be really disappointed in most areas.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 11/26/2010 6:41 AM, Michael Kraus wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Michael Kraus<n223rv@wolflakeairport.net>
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> Gotta have the 3G model if you want an internal GPS. The wifi model does not
have a GPS. I have a 3G model but I don't have the 3G data activated (because
i have an iphone and don't want to pay for 2 data plans) and it works great
as a moving map gps, as long as you download the maps prior to flight. Just FYI,
It is really hard (if not impossible) to get a signal in the air long enough
for weather or map updates.
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Nov 26, 2010, at 1:51 AM, "AirMike"<Mikeabel@Pacbell.net> wrote:
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>> Thinking about buying an I-Pad. Should I get the 3G model so that I can get
en-route weather (when I can get a cel signal). Or is it a waste of money to get
the 3G model.
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>> Q/B - flying 1 yr+
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| Subject: | Re: I-Pad question |
No longer necessary. Bad Elf plug-in GPS and one blue tooth GPS are
Apple approved and work without jailbreaking. They cost 99 over the
cost of a wifi only iPad. http://bad-elf.com/products/gps/
The other is GNS 5870 MFI Bluetooth GPS , also sold through Amazon and
other sources.
On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 5:28 AM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
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> Either way I'd get the 3G version...for
> GPS and the occasional data plan since you can go month to month.
> The GPS built in actually works well and it's nice to use in the car too.
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> On Nov 26, 2010, at 4:42 AM, "Lenny Iszak" <lenard@rapiddecision.com> wrote:
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>> Mike,
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>> Only the 3G version has a built-in GPS.
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>> You will still be able to use a bluetooth GPS in either unit as long as you
have it jailbroken.
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| Subject: | Re: I-Pad question |
While the internal GPS in the iPad works well enough, it is not WAAS
and is really a low end GPS. The external GPS units available are much
closer to state of the art, with the Bad Elf stating it is WAAS and
10Hz cycle, which is better than your certified units that update at 5
Hz. The blue tooth GNS5870gps doesn't state whether it has WAAS, so
don't know about it beyond it being 32 channel.
On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 5:41 AM, Michael Kraus
<n223rv@wolflakeairport.net> wrote:
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> Gotta have the 3G model if you want an internal GPS. The wifi model does not
have a GPS. I have a 3G model but I don't have the 3G data activated (because
i have an iphone and don't want to pay for 2 data plans) and it works great as
a moving map gps, as long as you download the maps prior to flight. Just FYI,
It is really hard (if not impossible) to get a signal in the air long enough
for weather or map updates.
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Nov 26, 2010, at 1:51 AM, "AirMike" <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net> wrote:
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>> Thinking about buying an I-Pad. Should I get the 3G model so that I can get
en-route weather (when I can get a cel signal). Or is it a waste of money to get
the 3G model.
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>> See you OSH '11
>> Q/B - flying 1 yr+
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I have the 3G model but have found that the ATT cell system to be fairly in
adequate. Also have IPhone. I would get the 3G model however as you can get
the GPS signal in a lot of places so you can usethemoving map features. Ho
wever=2C it's not very robust. I bought the Bad Elf WAAS GPS and it works g
reat. Locks on pretty quickly. It's 1"x1"x3/8" in size. Very small.
My son-in-law gave me a Verizon MiFi blue tooth that gives me access to the
ir system. They have better coverage it seems to me from trying it out. Wor
ks pretty good in the air in a lot of places to update while flying. I'm dr
opping my ATT account and going to Verizon on this one. With the Bad Elf=2C
the IPad is finally really usable for aviation. It won't be long until we
will be able reliably get in route weather at all times and all places.
P.S. The MiFi works well as a wifi router. I was in the basement of our chu
rch and my son-in-law was able to pick up and use the wifi signal upstairs
to access the Internet. He "claimed" he was looking up a Bible text. :-)
> Date: Fri=2C 26 Nov 2010 06:11:58 -0700
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: I-Pad question
> From: apilot2@gmail.com
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
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> While the internal GPS in the iPad works well enough=2C it is not WAAS
> and is really a low end GPS. The external GPS units available are much
> closer to state of the art=2C with the Bad Elf stating it is WAAS and
> 10Hz cycle=2C which is better than your certified units that update at 5
> Hz. The blue tooth GNS5870gps doesn't state whether it has WAAS=2C so
> don't know about it beyond it being 32 channel.
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> On Fri=2C Nov 26=2C 2010 at 5:41 AM=2C Michael Kraus
> <n223rv@wolflakeairport.net> wrote:
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> > Gotta have the 3G model if you want an internal GPS. The wifi model do
es not have a GPS. I have a 3G model but I don't have the 3G data activate
d (because i have an iphone and don't want to pay for 2 data plans) and it
works great as a moving map gps=2C as long as you download the maps prior t
o flight. Just FYI=2C It is really hard (if not impossible) to get a signal
in the air long enough for weather or map updates.
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| Subject: | Fwd: B: iPad GPS |
>From a Beech list, piprep on the bluetooth gps for iPad.
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Glenn Olsen <glennolsen@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: B: iPad GPS
I have one. The GNS 5870 MFI. Works great. Turn it on and pair it with
the iPad and it works with all GPS enabled apps. Great battery life,
but it probably won't make it from China to the US. It is a little bit
bigger than a Bic lighter. The DV windows in the Hawker have a spring
loaded handle and it is just thick enough that I can stick it
underneath the handle and it never loses signal. The receiver works
well enough that I can get a position fix in the basement of my house.
I do have some issues with the on/off switch. You swipe your finger
over it and it does not work every time. Have to hit the reset switch
with a paper clip every once in a while. I have a message into the
manufacturer to determine if the unit is defective or needs a software
update.
Glenn
On 11/26/2010 7:45 AM, brad haslett wrote:
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> Sorry if this has already been covered. Has anyone tried the external GPS offered
by ForeFlight?
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> http://blog.foreflight.com/2010/11/09/external-ipad-gps-receivers-for-foreflight-hd/
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> I've had pretty good luck with the iPad internal GPS but not always. Next up,
who is working on a XM weather receiver for the iPad?
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| Subject: | And another iPad question |
I, too, am thinking about getting an iPad, mainly for charts. -Foreflight
recommends the iPad Wifi + 3G (this unit has an internal GPS receiver).
-However, they state that an external GPS source is sorely needed and rec
ommends getting the Bad Elf GPS to use with it.--Verizon's iPad is Wifi
enabled with an external Mifi router mobile hotspot. -So, you have essen
tially the same thing along with Verizon's across the country coverage. See
ms to me this is the better way to go. -Am I missing something?=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: And another iPad question |
I don't think any of you are missing anything. You all have
good points, and have pointed out good info. I'll try to show
my reasonings and point out how all your points fit.
First, it's all about options. If you don't get the 3G,
you're missing a couple of options...
Kelly (and Foreflight) is right. The built-in GPS isn't
fantastic in quality. It does, however, work reasonably
well and would probably do all you need, much of the time.
For in-flight navigation, if you don't already have an
EFIS doing all your precision work for you, you'd want
either the Jailbreak+Bluetooth GPS (which are usually WAAS),
or one of the 2 options for attached WAAS GPS's. This
would give you real precision. If you already have the
approach on the EFIS, it really isn't that big of a deal
to go through the trouble of the external GPS. The built-in
one is usually accurate for me within maybe 50'. Personally,
I feel your best option is to do both...have the 3G with
GPS, and also have an external. More on that...
Regarding the 3G, yeah, for me especially in our area, AT&T
sucks badly. But, when we travel, we often end up in
areas where AT&T works and works well. We bring the iPad
and on the larger trips and for OSH, we'll activate the
AT&T 3G plan for a month. It gives some great useability
in the car. We'll drive along looking for something,
and on google maps just google something like
"quality suites" and it'll drop pins on the map, and
we can click them and get directions and phone info
right on it. Looking for the Monterey Aquarium? Just
google-map it and it's there. So it's very handy to do
the 3G thing at times. We've only used it for 2 or 3
months in the last year, but when we wanted it, it was
there, and we didn't have to carry any attachable devices
to use it. That's worth something too.
Regarding MiFi and the like... I also have a mini router,
which I bet is probably the OEM source for the MiFi...not
sure on that. Cradlepoint.com though, check it out. I have
the PHS300, and for work, I have a verizon air card, which
is a USB cell device that plugs into the PHS300, or into
your laptop, giving you 3G coverage through Verizon. Around
here, that works way better than AT&T. It certainly works
REALLY well when traveling though, in that it's a normal
hotspot router, so I can get everyone in the family online
with their ipod touches, and laptops. So they're very very
handy to have...and yes, with that, I don't really need
to use the 3G. That said, it's still very nice to not
always have to remember those additional parts, and just
activate 3G. When I was in Monetery, I found times when
I had to switch to verizon, or AT&T, depending on my
location, to get good coverage. Neither provider gives
you 100% coverage.
Another thing that you can do with Jailbroken devices, like
my iphone and an iPad with 3G, is install MyWi, which lets
you share your 3G like a wi-fi hotspot. So, we've been on
trips where I activated the iPad 3G, and shared THAT 3G
coverage with the family or my laptop. And, I've found it
convenient to do the same from my iPhone, or just tether
it with the charging cable and do it that way, to my
laptop. It's something you can do with Jailbroken devices,
or pay AT&T an ungodly high rate for if you don't want to
jailbreak.
Also, regarding the iPad, if you buy any of the charting
apps, you'll want some space. 16GB will likely be fine,
but, if you want to go multi-purpose and have options once
again, get the big one. We completely fill our 64Gb iPad.
It's full of movies for the kids, music, and charts, mostly.
I have Foreflight HD, which is my favorite app. Makes for
awesome in-flight charts and approach plates, and all the
info that you'd need, in probably the best presentation
graphically of all the apps. Very nice for planning and
filing. Then there's WingX Pro 7. Over a year ago I used
WingX just to try it out, on the iphone. It was nice, but
they are as ugly as can be when it comes to colors and
graphical design on the iphone app. Today I bought a
Seattle Avionics lifetime iPad IFR data subscription since
they offered it for Black Friday. With that, I decided to
also spend the money to buy 12 months of WingX Pro 7,
plus another $30 for fuel price info. Foreflight does
much of what WingX does, but not all of it, and vice versa.
But, since I hate buying chart data, I figured today was
the day to waste a little cash and just do it...since
it was lifetime data. From playing with WingX, it looks
like when actually flying an approach, I'll probably use
their software. Since the fuel price info is cached, it's
useable in flight. I'll probably use foreflight for all
my pre planning, filing, weather planning, and for looking
at sectionals in flight. Then when it comes to flying
the approach, since today WingX has georeferenced approach
plates and actually a real nice split-screen view option,
I'll use that. I do believe that Foreflight will be coming
out with georeferenced approach plates though, so the money
I spent today was partially a waste. The Seattle Avionics
iPad data subscription is portable to their partner's apps,
WingX being one. My hope is that this will extend to
Foreflight if they partner in the same way. Again, it's
all about options...this time in software.
So while you can certainly save money and not get a 3G
model, I think it's great to not HAVE to bring my
Cradlepoint+verizon hotspot all the time, and not HAVE
to remember a bluetooth GPS, or any add on hardware. It's
nice when you want to be slim and trim to be able to
just grab the ipad on it's own, and have what you need to
get by. And, considering there are ways you can share the
3G service it offers with your other devices, it really
makes it possible to have ONLY an iPad 3G model and
no accessories, and still get the job done if you need.
To me, I'd rather spend a little more up front and have
more options. Wouldn't it stink if you had an add-on GPS,
and suddenly when you need it, you forgot it, or it went
titzup? AS SOON AS verizon gets the iPhone, I plan
to drop my AT&T iphone and get one. That will give me
both Verizon and AT&T 3G options, even without bringing
my Cradlepoint hotspot. That will help ensure I always
have one of the 2 providers with the least of accessories.
So yeah, there are more than 2 or 3 ways to skin cats
(although I just roast them fur on, with barbecue sauce <g>)
and all have good points. It's just a matter of making
sure you see all of the potential things you may want to
do some day, and which tools you should have in your toolbox
to get you to what you need.
IMHO, none of the stuff you can get on an ipad really replaces
what you REALLY want to have....and that's a good EFIS,
with integrated weather, for in-flight use.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
On 11/26/2010 9:37 AM, curtis groote wrote:
> I, too, am thinking about getting an iPad, mainly for charts.
> Foreflight recommends the iPad Wifi + 3G (this unit has an internal GPS
> receiver). However, they state that an external GPS source is sorely
> needed and recommends getting the Bad Elf GPS to use with it.
> Verizon's iPad is Wifi enabled with an external Mifi router mobile
> hotspot. So, you have essentially the same thing along with Verizon's
> across the country coverage. Seems to me this is the better way to go.
> Am I missing something?
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| Subject: | Re: And another iPad question |
I bought the 64GB; I am using considerably less memory even with some
albums on there for IPOD. I suggest the 32GB or possibly 8GB with 3G,
WiFi and GPS. It seems that the charts part of Foreflight only takes
about 2GB? Somebody who has synced and look at your PC could probably
say for sure what Foreflight takes. For me it is the only significant
data storage app for me.
----- Original Message -----
From: curtis groote
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, November 26, 2010 8:37 AM
Subject: RV10-List: And another iPad question
I, too, am thinking about getting an iPad, mainly for charts.
Foreflight recommends the iPad Wifi + 3G (this unit has an
internal GPS receiver). However, they state that an external GPS source
is sorely needed and recommends getting the Bad Elf GPS to use with it.
Verizon's iPad is Wifi enabled with an external Mifi router
mobile hotspot. So, you have essentially the same thing along with
Verizon's across the country coverage. Seems to me this is the better
way to go. Am I missing something?
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| Subject: | Re: GPS antenna location |
I added some pics in my building log here:
http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=MauleDriver&project=224&category=4053&log=117562&row=2
On 11/24/2010 2:35 PM, Bill Watson wrote:
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> I decided to optimize the mounting of the 430W antenna according to
> the best avionics advice I could find. The installation manual being
> first and and avionics shop owner second (Bill Betts, SparkChasers,
> KJNX). My thinking was 1) every source of advice has a bias 2) the
> performance of the 430W WAAS GPS being most important to me, 3) follow
> the avionics invested parties advice. So it's mounted on top of the
> cabin, right in the middle, far away from any possible interference,
> holes thru the cabin top, stuck out in the airstream.
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> The are 3 or 4 other GPS antenna involved. Here I just tried to find
> good locations that should perform satisfactorily, provide easy
> installation/maintenance and be aesthetically pleasing. So 2 are
> mounted along upper rim of the windshield - a location that's worked
> well on my Maule. 1 or 2 are going to be velcroed to the glare
> shield. No holes, nothing sticking out, nothing being visually
> unpleasant.
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| Subject: | Re: GPS antenna location |
Bill, thanks for the pics. But they posed the question why you mounted
the small GPS antennas under the upper windscreen rather than down on
the glareshield??? Inquiring minds want to know.
Linn
On 11/26/2010 2:08 PM, Bill Watson wrote:
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> I added some pics in my building log here:
> http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=MauleDriver&project=224&category=4053&log=117562&row=2
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> On 11/24/2010 2:35 PM, Bill Watson wrote:
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>> I decided to optimize the mounting of the 430W antenna according to
>> the best avionics advice I could find. The installation manual
>> being first and and avionics shop owner second (Bill Betts,
>> SparkChasers, KJNX). My thinking was 1) every source of advice has a
>> bias 2) the performance of the 430W WAAS GPS being most important to
>> me, 3) follow the avionics invested parties advice. So it's mounted
>> on top of the cabin, right in the middle, far away from any possible
>> interference, holes thru the cabin top, stuck out in the airstream.
>>
>> The are 3 or 4 other GPS antenna involved. Here I just tried to
>> find good locations that should perform satisfactorily, provide easy
>> installation/maintenance and be aesthetically pleasing. So 2 are
>> mounted along upper rim of the windshield - a location that's worked
>> well on my Maule. 1 or 2 are going to be velcroed to the glare
>> shield. No holes, nothing sticking out, nothing being visually
>> unpleasant.
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| Subject: | Re: GPS antenna location |
No reason than just to get them up and out of the way. I didn't think
they would interfere with visibility (?).
As I recall, the question I answered with the one antenna on the glare
shield is "why did they use such a plug so big I couldn't string it thru
the center strut"?
On 11/26/2010 2:16 PM, Linn Walters wrote:
>
> Bill, thanks for the pics. But they posed the question why you
> mounted the small GPS antennas under the upper windscreen rather than
> down on the glareshield??? Inquiring minds want to know.
> Linn
>
> On 11/26/2010 2:08 PM, Bill Watson wrote:
>>
>> I added some pics in my building log here:
>> http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=MauleDriver&project=224&category=4053&log=117562&row=2
>>
>>
>> On 11/24/2010 2:35 PM, Bill Watson wrote:
>>>
>>> I decided to optimize the mounting of the 430W antenna according to
>>> the best avionics advice I could find. The installation manual
>>> being first and and avionics shop owner second (Bill Betts,
>>> SparkChasers, KJNX). My thinking was 1) every source of advice has
>>> a bias 2) the performance of the 430W WAAS GPS being most important
>>> to me, 3) follow the avionics invested parties advice. So it's
>>> mounted on top of the cabin, right in the middle, far away from any
>>> possible interference, holes thru the cabin top, stuck out in the
>>> airstream.
>>>
>>> The are 3 or 4 other GPS antenna involved. Here I just tried to
>>> find good locations that should perform satisfactorily, provide easy
>>> installation/maintenance and be aesthetically pleasing. So 2 are
>>> mounted along upper rim of the windshield - a location that's worked
>>> well on my Maule. 1 or 2 are going to be velcroed to the glare
>>> shield. No holes, nothing sticking out, nothing being visually
>>> unpleasant.
>>>
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| Subject: | Re: GPS antenna location |
I am several months away from starting work on the fiberglass canopy but what was
the reason for the tinted lexan cover over the GPS antenna's? Every antenna
in the Cozy MKIV we built is buried under the glass and works flawlessly. The
GNS 430 antenna was actually mounted on a shelf in the nose of the plane. and
is receiving through 4 layers of glass, 3/4"foam, and 3 more layers of glass.
David Clifford
RV-10 Builder
65% Done-95% To Go
N849RV (reserved)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Watson" <Mauledriver@nc.rr.com>
Sent: Friday, November 26, 2010 6:26:46 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: GPS antenna location
No reason than just to get them up and out of the way. I didn't think
they would interfere with visibility (?).
As I recall, the question I answered with the one antenna on the glare
shield is "why did they use such a plug so big I couldn't string it thru
the center strut"?
On 11/26/2010 2:16 PM, Linn Walters wrote:
>
> Bill, thanks for the pics. But they posed the question why you
> mounted the small GPS antennas under the upper windscreen rather than
> down on the glareshield??? Inquiring minds want to know.
> Linn
>
> On 11/26/2010 2:08 PM, Bill Watson wrote:
>>
>> I added some pics in my building log here:
>> http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=MauleDriver&project=224&category=4053&log=117562&row=2
>>
>>
>> On 11/24/2010 2:35 PM, Bill Watson wrote:
>>>
>>> I decided to optimize the mounting of the 430W antenna according to
>>> the best avionics advice I could find. The installation manual
>>> being first and and avionics shop owner second (Bill Betts,
>>> SparkChasers, KJNX). My thinking was 1) every source of advice has
>>> a bias 2) the performance of the 430W WAAS GPS being most important
>>> to me, 3) follow the avionics invested parties advice. So it's
>>> mounted on top of the cabin, right in the middle, far away from any
>>> possible interference, holes thru the cabin top, stuck out in the
>>> airstream.
>>>
>>> The are 3 or 4 other GPS antenna involved. Here I just tried to
>>> find good locations that should perform satisfactorily, provide easy
>>> installation/maintenance and be aesthetically pleasing. So 2 are
>>> mounted along upper rim of the windshield - a location that's worked
>>> well on my Maule. 1 or 2 are going to be velcroed to the glare
>>> shield. No holes, nothing sticking out, nothing being visually
>>> unpleasant.
>>>
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| Subject: | Re: GPS antenna location |
antennas do fail; you might want to change it. reception is not the
problem, maintenance is.
----- Original Message -----
From: davidsoutpost@comcast.net
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, November 26, 2010 5:08 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: GPS antenna location
I am several months away from starting work on the fiberglass canopy
but what was the reason for the tinted lexan cover over the GPS
antenna's? Every antenna in the Cozy MKIV we built is buried under the
glass and works flawlessly. The GNS 430 antenna was actually mounted
on a shelf in the nose of the plane. and is receiving through 4 layers
of glass, 3/4"foam, and 3 more layers of glass.
David Clifford
RV-10 Builder
65% Done-95% To Go
N849RV (reserved)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Watson" <Mauledriver@nc.rr.com>
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, November 26, 2010 6:26:46 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: GPS antenna location
No reason than just to get them up and out of the way. I didn't think
they would interfere with visibility (?).
As I recall, the question I answered with the one antenna on the glare
shield is "why did they use such a plug so big I couldn't string it
thru
the center strut"?
On 11/26/2010 2:16 PM, Linn Walters wrote:
<pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
>
> Bill, thanks for the pics. But they posed the question why you
> mounted the small GPS antennas under the upper windscreen rather
than
> down on the glareshield??? Inquiring minds want to know.
> Linn
>
> On 11/26/2010 2:08 PM, Bill Watson wrote:
<Mauledriver@nc.rr.com>
>>
>> I added some pics in my building log here:
>>
http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=MauleDriver&project=
224&category=4053&log=117562&row=2
>>
>>
>> On 11/24/2010 2:35 PM, Bill Watson wrote:
<Mauledriver@nc.rr.com>
>>>
>>> I decided to optimize the mounting of the 430W antenna according
to
>>> the best avionics advice I could find. The installation manual
>>> being first and and avionics shop owner second (Bill Betts,
>>> SparkChasers, KJNX). My thinking was 1) every source of advice
has
>>> a bias 2) the performance of the 430W WAAS GPS being most
important
>>> to me, 3) follow the avionics invested parties advice. So it's
>>> mounted on top of the cabin, right in the middle, far away from
any
>>> possible interference, holes thru the cabin top, stuck out in the
>>> airstream.
>>>
>>> The are 3 or 4 other GPS antenna involved. Here I just tried to
>>> find good locations that should perform satisfactorily, provide
easy
>>> installation/maintenance and be aesthetically pleasing. So 2 are
>>> mounted along upper rim of the windshield - a location that's
worked
>>> well on my Maule. 1 or 2 are going to be velcroed to the glare
>>> shield. No holes, nothing sticking out, nothing being visually
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| Subject: | Re: GPS antenna location |
That's true,, however the antenna's appear to be easily accessible from ins
ide the cabin via the overhead console and weakening the integrity of the c
anopy could have been avoided.
David Clifford
RV-10 Builder
65% Done-95% To Go
N849RV (reserved)
----- Original Message -----
From: "DLM" <dlm46007@cox.net>
Sent: Friday, November 26, 2010 8:14:28 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: GPS antenna location
=EF=BB
antennas do fail; you might want to change it. reception is not the problem
, maintenance is.
----- Original Message -----
From: davidsoutpost@comcast.net
Sent: Friday, November 26, 2010 5:08 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: GPS antenna location
I am several months away from starting work on the fiberglass canopy but wh
at was the reason for the tinted lexan cover over the GPS antenna's? Every
antenna in the Cozy MKIV we built is buried under the glass and works flawl
essly. The GNS 430 antenna was actually mounted on a shelf in the nose of t
he plane. and is receiving through 4 layers of glass, 3/4"foam, and 3 more
layers of glass.
David Clifford
RV-10 Builder
65% Done-95% To Go
N849RV (reserved)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Watson" <Mauledriver@nc.rr.com>
Sent: Friday, November 26, 2010 6:26:46 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: GPS antenna location
No reason than just to get them up and out of the way. I didn't think
they would interfere with visibility (?).
As I recall, the question I answered with the one antenna on the glare
shield is "why did they use such a plug so big I couldn't string it thru
the center strut"?
On 11/26/2010 2:16 PM, Linn Walters wrote:
>
> Bill, thanks for the pics. But they posed the question why you
> mounted the small GPS antennas under the upper windscreen rather than
> down on the glareshield??? Inquiring minds want to know.
> Linn
>
> On 11/26/2010 2:08 PM, Bill Watson wrote:
>>
>> I added some pics in my building log here:
>> http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=MauleDriver&project
=224&category=4053&log=117562&row=2
>>
>>
>> On 11/24/2010 2:35 PM, Bill Watson wrote:
>>>
>>> I decided to optimize the mounting of the 430W antenna according to
>>> the best avionics advice I could find. The installation manual
>>> being first and and avionics shop owner second (Bill Betts,
>>> SparkChasers, KJNX). My thinking was 1) every source of advice has
>>> a bias 2) the performance of the 430W WAAS GPS being most important
>>> to me, 3) follow the avionics invested parties advice. So it's
>>> mounted on top of the cabin, right in the middle, far away from any
>>> possible interference, holes thru the cabin top, stuck out in the
>>> airstream.
>>>
>>> The are 3 or 4 other GPS antenna involved. Here I just tried to
>>> find good locations that should perform satisfactorily, provide easy
>>> installation/maintenance and be aesthetically pleasing. So 2 are
>>> mounted along upper rim of the windshield - a location that's worked
>>> well on my Maule. 1 or 2 are going to be velcroed to the glare
>>> shield. No holes, nothing sticking out, nothing being visually
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| Subject: | Off Topic--FAA Rulemaking |
This just popped up on my radar. I hadn't heard anything about it.
http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2010/2010-27834.htm
To summarize, A&Ps with an Inspection Authorization (IA) currently
have to be "actively engaged" in the industry to be eligible to renew
their ticket. This proposal would redefine "actively engaged" as
full time employment. Otherwise, you get to have your status
evaluated by an FAA inspector who then decides if you are sufficiently
engaged.
And, since FAA inspectors aren't "actively engaged", they get to
automatically keep their IAs to use when no longer employed by FAA.
Pass this on to any IAs you know. The comment period closes December 6th.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
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| Subject: | engine mount ears and attaching the Bendix Throttle body |
Two questions=2C one was never completely answerred in the archives.
Would like to confirm the torque values on the 3/8-16 studs which attach th
e mount ears to the engine case. The confusion for me is=2C yes it is a 3/8
bolt=2C but it is a stud coming out of the case. Table I=2C of the SERVICE
TABLE OF LIMITS=2C for a 3/8 bolt gives a torque value of 30 Ft/lbs=2C but
when you look at the parts manual=2C these four bolts coming out of the ca
se are called 3/8-16 studs and Table V gives a Min. Driving Torque value.
What is the correct answer????? I need the torque on the 5/16-18 studs for
the attachment of the throttle body also.
I am surprised that the engine mount ear studs do not specify a value...I w
ould think them to be very important.
I cannot find any literature explaing the attachment of the throttle body.
I have two gaskets which look similar and I have a bag of self looking nuts
=2C plain washers and some star lock washers. There are (16) of these self
locking silver colored nuts=2C what are they for????The engine came with nu
ts and stackes of washers holding the Delrin plastic plate which kept the e
ngine preservative in. Are these nuts not to be used?
Thanks
John 409
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| Subject: | Re: engine mount ears and attaching the Bendix Throttle body |
You need to get hold of the Lycoming manual. (search on line). Many of the torques
recommended by Lycoming are higher than standard for AN. I don't know why.
Maybe because they also use lock washers? Or the high vibration levels?
You got 2 gaskets so if you use Van's part to hold the cable ends, it goes between
the throttle body and the engine, with one gasket on either side.
Bob
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RV-10 QB
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