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1. 08:11 AM - Re: MT prop Governor set screw (Jim Ayers)
2. 10:03 AM - Re: Re: fwf/engine hanging procedures (Rob Kochman)
3. 10:42 AM - Re: Re: fwf/engine hanging procedures (John Gonzalez)
4. 11:17 AM - Re: Re: fwf/engine hanging procedures (Seano)
5. 12:33 PM - Re: Re: fwf/engine hanging procedures (Rob Kochman)
6. 04:05 PM - Here's one for the 'EE' /'RF' wizards (Deems Davis)
7. 04:26 PM - Re: Here's one for the 'EE' /'RF' wizards (Tim Olson)
8. 04:26 PM - Re: Here's one for the 'EE' /'RF' wizards (Tim Olson)
9. 04:44 PM - Re: Here's one for the 'EE' /'RF' wizards (Kelly McMullen)
10. 05:08 PM - Re: Here's one for the 'EE' /'RF' wizards (Deems Davis)
11. 05:14 PM - Re: Here's one for the 'EE' /'RF' wizards (Tim Olson)
12. 05:24 PM - Re: Re: fwf/engine hanging procedures (David Maib)
13. 05:48 PM - Re: Here's one for the 'EE' /'RF' wizards (Tim Olson)
14. 06:08 PM - Re: Here's one for the 'EE' /'RF' wizards (Tim Olson)
15. 06:20 PM - Re: Here's one for the 'EE' /'RF' wizards (Linn Walters)
16. 07:26 PM - Re: Here's one for the 'EE' /'RF' wizards (Kelly McMullen)
17. 07:29 PM - Re: paint weight? (AirMike)
18. 07:42 PM - Re: Here's one for the 'EE' /'RF' wizards (Chris)
19. 07:53 PM - Re: Here's one for the 'EE' /'RF' wizards (John Cox)
20. 08:27 PM - Step (Albert Gardner)
21. 08:41 PM - Re: Here's one for the 'EE' /'RF' wizards (Deems Davis)
22. 08:57 PM - Re: Here's one for the 'EE' /'RF' wizards (Kelly McMullen)
23. 09:34 PM - Re: Re: paint weight? (Bill Watson)
24. 09:49 PM - Re: Re: fwf/engine hanging procedures (John Gonzalez)
25. 10:41 PM - Re: Step (AirMike)
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| Subject: | Re: MT prop Governor set screw |
If the arm is removed and replaced in exactly the same orientation, nothing
.
But if you were to do that, why take it apart in the first place.
MT Propeller says it is a "bad thing" to just change the location of the go
vernor arm on the splined shaft.
Of course, MT Propeller and MT Propeller USA do this themselves when they s
et up the governor. But they each have a $50,000 governor flow bench to se
t the governor properly.
BTW, your MT Governor can be shipped to MT Propeller USA to be set properly
for the IO-540 engine you have.
Van's Aircraft sells new Lycomng engines which are wide deck IO-540 engines
with a 0.947:1 gear ratio to drive the governor.
Van's aircraft sells new MT governors set for the narrow deck IO-540 engine
which has a 0.895:1 gear ratio.
So the new MT governor on the new Lycoming IO-540 engine will only allow ab
out 2550 RPM maximum.
MT Propeller USA can set up you new MT governor from Van's Aircraft so it w
ill be very close to 2700 RPM maximum.
Please remember that the propeller low pitch stop should limit the engine t
o between 2600 and 2650 RPM on a full throttle static runup.
Changing the governor setting should not change the full throttle static RP
M if the low pitch propeller.stop is set properly.
Jim Ayers
-----Original Message-----
From: pilotdds <pilotdds@aol.com>
Sent: Sun, Dec 5, 2010 9:23 pm
Subject: Re: RV10-List: MT prop Governor set screw
what happens if the set screws are removed and the arm is removed and repla
ced.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Ayers <lessdragprod@aol.com>
Sent: Sun, Dec 5, 2010 6:24 pm
Subject: Re: RV10-List: MT prop Governor set screw
Don't remove the governor arm!!!!!!!!!
Cut the safety wire on the six screws behjnd the governor arm.
LOOSEN the six screws.
Rotate the governor arm and stop assembly to the position you want.
Tighten the six screws.
Safety wire the six screws.
Jim Ayers
Less Drag Products, Inc.
An MT Propeller distributor
-----Original Message-----
From: John Gonzalez <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
Sent: Sun, Dec 5, 2010 6:09 pm
Subject: RV10-List: MT prop Governor set screw
ON the top of the MT governor is a set screw which allow the servo arm to b
e reoriented to the correct angle per different installations.
Seing that MT is a German company, I thought that the set screw was a metri
c allen wrench. I appears that non of the metric allen wrenches I purchased
are of the correct size. Also, by chance I thought that it might be a star
drive and it isn't that either, at least not in standard sizes.
Does anyone know what tool will losen this set screw and is the set screw s
tandard clockwise rotation for tightening and counterclockwise for loosenin
g.??
Thanks,
John
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| Subject: | Re: fwf/engine hanging procedures |
FWIW, my FAB kit came with a black cable, too, so I ended up with an extra.
On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 8:44 AM, rvdave <davidbf@centurytel.net> wrote:
>
> I've been going over the fwf list that Bob L. had in the archives, it
> showed 3 black cables, 2 for heat, what is the other one for?
>
> 3.00 CT A-740 BLACK PUSH PULL CABLE BLACK
>
> --------
> Dave Ford
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| Subject: | Re: fwf/engine hanging procedures |
You have two cable for cabin heat.
One cable for the emergency FAB bypass door on the bottom of the airfilter
box.
One cable for the Carberator heat which cuts off the air from the cowl scoo
p intake and allows hot air into the filter box via the cowl air inside the
engine compartment.
I needed to purchase one more cable for the oil cooler butterfly valve.
The subpanel looks pretty goofy with five black handles sticking out of it
along with the Mixture=2C prop and throttle.
Maybe someone will put the control for these on their control stick switche
s(just kidding!)
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: fwf/engine hanging procedures
From: rv10rob@gmail.com
FWIW=2C my FAB kit came with a black cable=2C too=2C so I ended up with an
extra.
On Sat=2C Dec 4=2C 2010 at 8:44 AM=2C rvdave <davidbf@centurytel.net> wrote
:
I've been going over the fwf list that Bob L. had in the archives=2C it sho
wed 3 black cables=2C 2 for heat=2C what is the other one for?
3.00 CT A-740 BLACK PUSH PULL CABLE BLACK
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| Subject: | Re: fwf/engine hanging procedures |
I like Aersport's lower console for this. I have the two heaters
push/pulls on the right panel (like Geoff's plane) and four on the lower
console, which is two on each side.
park brake
oil cooler valve
alt air
left pilot heat close/ when wife has heat too high on front
----- Original Message -----
From: John Gonzalez
To: RV 10 group
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 11:35 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: fwf/engine hanging procedures
You have two cable for cabin heat.
One cable for the emergency FAB bypass door on the bottom of the
airfilter box.
One cable for the Carberator heat which cuts off the air from the cowl
scoop intake and allows hot air into the filter box via the cowl air
inside the engine compartment.
I needed to purchase one more cable for the oil cooler butterfly
valve.
The subpanel looks pretty goofy with five black handles sticking out
of it along with the Mixture, prop and throttle.
Maybe someone will put the control for these on their control stick
switches(just kidding!)
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Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 09:59:26 -0800
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: fwf/engine hanging procedures
From: rv10rob@gmail.com
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
FWIW, my FAB kit came with a black cable, too, so I ended up with an
extra.
On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 8:44 AM, rvdave <davidbf@centurytel.net> wrote:
I've been going over the fwf list that Bob L. had in the archives,
it showed 3 black cables, 2 for heat, what is the other one for?
3.00 CT A-740 BLACK PUSH PULL CABLE BLACK
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RV6 flying
RV10 building
Cadillac, MI
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| Subject: | Re: fwf/engine hanging procedures |
John, if you want the same cable, I can sell you my extra. I have FI, so I
have one left over.
-Rob
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 10:35 AM, John Gonzalez <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>wrote:
> You have two cable for cabin heat.
>
> One cable for the emergency FAB bypass door on the bottom of the airfilter
> box.
>
> One cable for the Carberator heat which cuts off the air from the cowl
> scoop intake and allows hot air into the filter box via the cowl air inside
> the engine compartment.
>
> I needed to purchase one more cable for the oil cooler butterfly valve.
>
> The subpanel looks pretty goofy with five black handles sticking out of it
> along with the Mixture, prop and throttle.
>
> Maybe someone will put the control for these on their control stick
> switches(just kidding!)
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 09:59:26 -0800
>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: fwf/engine hanging procedures
> From: rv10rob@gmail.com
>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>
> FWIW, my FAB kit came with a black cable, too, so I ended up with an extra.
>
> On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 8:44 AM, rvdave <davidbf@centurytel.net> wrote:
>
>
> I've been going over the fwf list that Bob L. had in the archives, it
> showed 3 black cables, 2 for heat, what is the other one for?
>
> 3.00 CT A-740 BLACK PUSH PULL CABLE BLACK
>
> --------
> Dave Ford
> RV6 flying
> RV10 building
> Cadillac, MI
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=322263#322263
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| Subject: | Here's one for the 'EE' /'RF' wizards |
Why don't we have blue-tooth headsets available for the GA market? I
know that a couple of mfgs make headset that are capable of doubling as
a BT headset for you cell phone, but why isn't there a BT
receiver/transmitter that can be plugged direct into the Mic and headset
plugs (or for those so inclined wired direct into the audio panel ) so
that we could have truly 'wireless headsets' in the cockpit.
Sony make a BT receiver/transmitter :
https://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&productId=8198552921665260011
Why couldn't you wire this into a headset/mic plug set and then use some
commercial BT headset/mic?
As Les say's: 'inquiring minds want to know"??
Deems
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| Subject: | Re: Here's one for the 'EE' /'RF' wizards |
Battery life....and function once the batteries die. You'd be cut off, pote
ntially without knowing.
Tim
On Dec 6, 2010, at 6:01 PM, Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net> wrote:
> Why don't we have blue-tooth headsets available for the GA market? I know t
hat a couple of mfgs make headset that are capable of doubling as a BT heads
et for you cell phone, but why isn't there a BT receiver/transmitter that ca
n be plugged direct into the Mic and headset plugs (or for those so inclined
wired direct into the audio panel ) so that we could have truly 'wireless h
eadsets' in the cockpit.
>
> Sony make a BT receiver/transmitter : https://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs
/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1
&productId=8198552921665260011
>
> Why couldn't you wire this into a headset/mic plug set and then use some c
ommercial BT headset/mic?
>
> As Les say's: 'inquiring minds want to know"??
>
> Deems
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Here's one for the 'EE' /'RF' wizards |
Ps: keep in mind they're TSO'd.
On Dec 6, 2010, at 6:01 PM, Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net> wrote:
> Why don't we have blue-tooth headsets available for the GA market? I know t
hat a couple of mfgs make headset that are capable of doubling as a BT heads
et for you cell phone, but why isn't there a BT receiver/transmitter that ca
n be plugged direct into the Mic and headset plugs (or for those so inclined
wired direct into the audio panel ) so that we could have truly 'wireless h
eadsets' in the cockpit.
>
> Sony make a BT receiver/transmitter : https://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs
/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1
&productId=8198552921665260011
>
> Why couldn't you wire this into a headset/mic plug set and then use some c
ommercial BT headset/mic?
>
> As Les say's: 'inquiring minds want to know"??
>
> Deems
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Here's one for the 'EE' /'RF' wizards |
There is no need to use TSO headphones in aircraft, unless you are
flying Part 135 or 121.
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 5:24 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
> Ps: keep in mind they're TSO'd.
>
>
> On Dec 6, 2010, at 6:01 PM, Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net> wrote:
>
> Why don't we have blue-tooth headsets available for the GA market? I know
> that a couple of mfgs make headset that are capable of doubling as a BT
> headset for you cell phone, but why isn't there a BT receiver/transmitter
> that can be plugged direct into the Mic and headset plugs (or for those so
> inclined wired direct into the audio panel ) so that we could have truly
> 'wireless headsets' in the cockpit.
>
> Sony make a BT receiver/transmitter :
> https://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&productId=8198552921665260011
>
> Why couldn't you wire this into a headset/mic plug set and then use some
> commercial BT headset/mic?
>
> As Les say's: 'inquiring minds want to know"??
>
> Deems
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Here's one for the 'EE' /'RF' wizards |
Good point about the battery, but BT devices don't require a lot of
power, and it seems that the devices could run for quite some time on a
battery and carrying backup batteries shouldn't be an issue, you need to
do that for your Noise Canceling equip anyway. Years ago, I was flying
with a Sigtronics intercom that was battery powered, when the batteries
went out so did the headset (happened to me IFR over the Sierras). So
there's an instance of a com'l (TSO'd?) device that was battery dependent.
It seems that the experimental market usually leads in innovation on
these type of things, and I for one, would certainly like to have a
'cordless cockpit'.
Deems
On 12/6/2010 5:40 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen<apilot2@gmail.com>
>
> There is no need to use TSO headphones in aircraft, unless you are
> flying Part 135 or 121.
>
> On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 5:24 PM, Tim Olson<Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>> Ps: keep in mind they're TSO'd.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 6, 2010, at 6:01 PM, Deems Davis<deemsdavis@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>> Why don't we have blue-tooth headsets available for the GA market? I know
>> that a couple of mfgs make headset that are capable of doubling as a BT
>> headset for you cell phone, but why isn't there a BT receiver/transmitter
>> that can be plugged direct into the Mic and headset plugs (or for those so
>> inclined wired direct into the audio panel ) so that we could have truly
>> 'wireless headsets' in the cockpit.
>>
>> Sony make a BT receiver/transmitter :
>> https://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&productId=8198552921665260011
>>
>> Why couldn't you wire this into a headset/mic plug set and then use some
>> commercial BT headset/mic?
>>
>> As Les say's: 'inquiring minds want to know"??
>>
>> Deems
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Here's one for the 'EE' /'RF' wizards |
No, but no high-quality headset market is going to
come out with a nice high-end product that they
want to mass-market that isn't TSO'd. They'd
be selling to a smaller market, and the risk to
them if they produced something that quit working
when the batteries died would be too bad...they'd
lose all their profits to the lawsuit in the first
crash that was blamed on poor headset design.
Sure, you'll probably find some experimental
dude, or small company, willing to take the
risk blindly and come out with a product...but
then again, to date there aren't many really
true "ideal" choices in headsets...for most it's
either you want cheap, or you want real nice
quality...which limits it to only a few headset
choices.
If Bose, Lightspeed, David Clark, Telex can't TSO it,
it probably won't ever happen.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 12/6/2010 6:40 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen<apilot2@gmail.com>
>
> There is no need to use TSO headphones in aircraft, unless you are
> flying Part 135 or 121.
>
> On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 5:24 PM, Tim Olson<Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>> Ps: keep in mind they're TSO'd.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 6, 2010, at 6:01 PM, Deems Davis<deemsdavis@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>> Why don't we have blue-tooth headsets available for the GA market? I know
>> that a couple of mfgs make headset that are capable of doubling as a BT
>> headset for you cell phone, but why isn't there a BT receiver/transmitter
>> that can be plugged direct into the Mic and headset plugs (or for those so
>> inclined wired direct into the audio panel ) so that we could have truly
>> 'wireless headsets' in the cockpit.
>>
>> Sony make a BT receiver/transmitter :
>> https://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&productId=8198552921665260011
>>
>> Why couldn't you wire this into a headset/mic plug set and then use some
>> commercial BT headset/mic?
>>
>> As Les say's: 'inquiring minds want to know"??
>>
>> Deems
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: fwf/engine hanging procedures |
Same with me. I still have the extra cable.
David Maib
40559
Flying
On Dec 6, 2010, at 12:59 PM, Rob Kochman wrote:
FWIW, my FAB kit came with a black cable, too, so I ended up with an
extra.
On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 8:44 AM, rvdave <davidbf@centurytel.net> wrote:
I've been going over the fwf list that Bob L. had in the archives, it
showed 3 black cables, 2 for heat, what is the other one for?
3.00 CT A-740 BLACK PUSH PULL CABLE BLACK
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| Subject: | Re: Here's one for the 'EE' /'RF' wizards |
Not exactly.... Bluetooth headsets do well with battery, in
standby. Actual talk time life, and streaming music life
isn't nearly as good. If you got rechargeables, it would be
inconvenient to charge...pulling the headsets out to charge
or whatever, after a flight. Could be a pain on a long
trip. Carrying lots of batteries would be a pain too.
FWIW, my noise cancelling headsets are all LEMO jack, panel
powered....so I haven't replaced a battery in a cockpit device
other than my camera and my O2 pulse ox meter, in many years.
Don't get me wrong, I think a cordless cockpit would be
awesome. I just think with batteries involved, it would
be a pain in the butt at best, and a safety issue at worst,
so I understand why we don't see that particular innovation.
Especially when headset makers are competing with eachother
based on weight, where 1.5 oz differences get written
up as huge by the reviewers. Throw 2 AA's in the earcup
of your headsets and they're off balance. Throw 2 per
side so they balance, and now they're heavy.
Try that with the clarity aloft. ;)
I do agree with you...I HATE cables in the cockpit. (I
don't mind charging my iphone or ipad, but I hate lots
of cables) So, right now today actually, I just
ordered a pile of stuff that will be a future write-up
that I think some people will be interested in.
For someone with technical ability, it probably actually
wouldn't be too hard to take your own headset and build
a bluetooth link for it. It may look like crap and
be a pain in the butt, but it should be do-able.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 12/6/2010 7:04 PM, Deems Davis wrote:
> Good point about the battery, but BT devices don't require a lot of
> power, and it seems that the devices could run for quite some time on a
> battery and carrying backup batteries shouldn't be an issue, you need to
> do that for your Noise Canceling equip anyway. Years ago, I was flying
> with a Sigtronics intercom that was battery powered, when the batteries
> went out so did the headset (happened to me IFR over the Sierras). So
> there's an instance of a com'l (TSO'd?) device that was battery dependent.
> It seems that the experimental market usually leads in innovation on
> these type of things, and I for one, would certainly like to have a
> 'cordless cockpit'.
>
> Deems
>
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| Subject: | Re: Here's one for the 'EE' /'RF' wizards |
Quick follow-up....
Last week I called Pilot Avionics, who make the BluLink
Bluetooth headset thing. Currently, they are only powered
by batteries, even if you use the LEMO jack. (this will
be changing in the future)
They advertise 15-45 hours of battery life, with standby
time of 100 hours. When I talked to them, asking if the
system can be plane-powered by the LEMO plug, they
quickly inquired as to my expected use. They said that
batteries generally work fine....but specified that they
were talking about cellphone use. They said "well, you
don't really use the cellphone a long time anyway, BUT,
if you're talking about bluetooth streaming music,
then you'll have MUCH lower battery life because that
chews the batteries much worse."
http://pilotbluelink.com/techspecs.html
So keeping that in mind, if you are on a trip, and take
their specs of 15-45 hours as true with 45 being phone
use, and 15 being music use, it's easy to see how
the batteries using bluetooth would only last 15 hours
for intercom use where you're constantly listening to
ATC, AWOS, co-pilot, and maybe use some music or
whatever. Now, if battery life were 15 hours for
your bluetooth wireless headset, how convenient is
that going to be when you're doing a 5 leg trip where
you're flying for a few hours a day like I generally
have been doing? That's the rub.
Nothing against the bluelink in particular because if
you are using that, your headset audio is more pass-thru,
and they're just mixing in bluetooth audio for music and
phone. I'm just not interested in spending a couple
hundred bucks a year for disposable batteries for all
my headsets, or dealing with the inconvenience of showing
up at the hangar and finding out my rechargeable batteries
are dead.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 12/6/2010 7:45 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> Not exactly.... Bluetooth headsets do well with battery, in
> standby. Actual talk time life, and streaming music life
> isn't nearly as good. If you got rechargeables, it would be
> inconvenient to charge...pulling the headsets out to charge
> or whatever, after a flight. Could be a pain on a long
> trip. Carrying lots of batteries would be a pain too.
>
> FWIW, my noise cancelling headsets are all LEMO jack, panel
> powered....so I haven't replaced a battery in a cockpit device
> other than my camera and my O2 pulse ox meter, in many years.
>
> Don't get me wrong, I think a cordless cockpit would be
> awesome. I just think with batteries involved, it would
> be a pain in the butt at best, and a safety issue at worst,
> so I understand why we don't see that particular innovation.
> Especially when headset makers are competing with eachother
> based on weight, where 1.5 oz differences get written
> up as huge by the reviewers. Throw 2 AA's in the earcup
> of your headsets and they're off balance. Throw 2 per
> side so they balance, and now they're heavy.
>
> Try that with the clarity aloft. ;)
>
> I do agree with you...I HATE cables in the cockpit. (I
> don't mind charging my iphone or ipad, but I hate lots
> of cables) So, right now today actually, I just
> ordered a pile of stuff that will be a future write-up
> that I think some people will be interested in.
>
> For someone with technical ability, it probably actually
> wouldn't be too hard to take your own headset and build
> a bluetooth link for it. It may look like crap and
> be a pain in the butt, but it should be do-able.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
> do not archive
>
>
> On 12/6/2010 7:04 PM, Deems Davis wrote:
>> Good point about the battery, but BT devices don't require a lot of
>> power, and it seems that the devices could run for quite some time on a
>> battery and carrying backup batteries shouldn't be an issue, you need to
>> do that for your Noise Canceling equip anyway. Years ago, I was flying
>> with a Sigtronics intercom that was battery powered, when the batteries
>> went out so did the headset (happened to me IFR over the Sierras). So
>> there's an instance of a com'l (TSO'd?) device that was battery
>> dependent.
>> It seems that the experimental market usually leads in innovation on
>> these type of things, and I for one, would certainly like to have a
>> 'cordless cockpit'.
>>
>> Deems
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| Subject: | Re: Here's one for the 'EE' /'RF' wizards |
The TSO (technical Standard Order) is a just document that describes
the minimum parameters that must be met by the product that is
manufactured for aviation .... whatever the product may be. Bluetooth,
being a relative new communication medium may not have risen to the top
of the FAA proposed TSO list. I don't expect to see bluetooth headsets
with a TSO due to the firmware/software required to configure the
bluetooth link.
RST engineering ( http://www.rst-engr.com/index.html ) may be able to
come up with a solution or the resons why it's not feasible ..... I
didn't ask.
Linn
On 12/6/2010 8:09 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> No, but no high-quality headset market is going to
> come out with a nice high-end product that they
> want to mass-market that isn't TSO'd. They'd
> be selling to a smaller market, and the risk to
> them if they produced something that quit working
> when the batteries died would be too bad...they'd
> lose all their profits to the lawsuit in the first
> crash that was blamed on poor headset design.
>
> Sure, you'll probably find some experimental
> dude, or small company, willing to take the
> risk blindly and come out with a product...but
> then again, to date there aren't many really
> true "ideal" choices in headsets...for most it's
> either you want cheap, or you want real nice
> quality...which limits it to only a few headset
> choices.
>
> If Bose, Lightspeed, David Clark, Telex can't TSO it,
> it probably won't ever happen.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
> do not archive
>
>
> On 12/6/2010 6:40 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen<apilot2@gmail.com>
>>
>> There is no need to use TSO headphones in aircraft, unless you are
>> flying Part 135 or 121.
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 5:24 PM, Tim Olson<Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>>> Ps: keep in mind they're TSO'd.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 6, 2010, at 6:01 PM, Deems Davis<deemsdavis@cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Why don't we have blue-tooth headsets available for the GA market? I
>>> know
>>> that a couple of mfgs make headset that are capable of doubling as a BT
>>> headset for you cell phone, but why isn't there a BT
>>> receiver/transmitter
>>> that can be plugged direct into the Mic and headset plugs (or for
>>> those so
>>> inclined wired direct into the audio panel ) so that we could have
>>> truly
>>> 'wireless headsets' in the cockpit.
>>>
>>> Sony make a BT receiver/transmitter :
>>> https://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&productId=8198552921665260011
>>>
>>>
>>> Why couldn't you wire this into a headset/mic plug set and then use
>>> some
>>> commercial BT headset/mic?
>>>
>>> As Les say's: 'inquiring minds want to know"??
>>>
>>> Deems
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Here's one for the 'EE' /'RF' wizards |
I did some more checking. Only DC, Bose and Sennheiser seem to get
approval on all their headsets. Lightspeed, Telex, Signtronics and
Clarity Aloft all offer non-TSO headsets, and apparently even airlines
only need TSO IF it is in their OPs manual for portable equipment not
hardwired to the aircraft. There is no FAA requirement to use TSO, and
it gives you about the same difference as between a KX-170B and a
KX175B..paperwork only. See http://sportys.com/headsetguide for
specific listing of TSO vs non-TSO models.
I could swear I saw a PR release from someone offering just what Deems
wanted, but Google turns up nothing.
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 7:16 PM, Linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> The TSO (technical Standard Order) is a just document that describes the
> minimum parameters that must be met by the product that is manufactured for
> aviation .... whatever the product may be. Bluetooth, being a relative new
> communication medium may not have risen to the top of the FAA proposed TSO
> list. I don't expect to see bluetooth headsets with a TSO due to the
> firmware/software required to configure the bluetooth link.
>
> RST engineering ( http://www.rst-engr.com/index.html ) may be able to come
> up with a solution or the resons why it's not feasible ..... I didn't ask.
> Linn
>
>
> On 12/6/2010 8:09 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>>
>>
>> No, but no high-quality headset market is going to
>> come out with a nice high-end product that they
>> want to mass-market that isn't TSO'd. They'd
>> be selling to a smaller market, and the risk to
>> them if they produced something that quit working
>> when the batteries died would be too bad...they'd
>> lose all their profits to the lawsuit in the first
>> crash that was blamed on poor headset design.
>>
>> Sure, you'll probably find some experimental
>> dude, or small company, willing to take the
>> risk blindly and come out with a product...but
>> then again, to date there aren't many really
>> true "ideal" choices in headsets...for most it's
>> either you want cheap, or you want real nice
>> quality...which limits it to only a few headset
>> choices.
>>
>> If Bose, Lightspeed, David Clark, Telex can't TSO it,
>> it probably won't ever happen.
>>
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>> On 12/6/2010 6:40 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> There is no need to use TSO headphones in aircraft, unless you are
>>> flying Part 135 or 121.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 5:24 PM, Tim Olson<Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Ps: keep in mind they're TSO'd.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 6, 2010, at 6:01 PM, Deems Davis<deemsdavis@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Why don't we have blue-tooth headsets available for the GA market? I
>>>> know
>>>> that a couple of mfgs make headset that are capable of doubling as a BT
>>>> headset for you cell phone, but why isn't there a BT
>>>> receiver/transmitter
>>>> that can be plugged direct into the Mic and headset plugs (or for those
>>>> so
>>>> inclined wired direct into the audio panel ) so that we could have truly
>>>> 'wireless headsets' in the cockpit.
>>>>
>>>> Sony make a BT receiver/transmitter :
>>>>
>>>> https://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&productId=8198552921665260011
>>>>
>>>> Why couldn't you wire this into a headset/mic plug set and then use some
>>>> commercial BT headset/mic?
>>>>
>>>> As Les say's: 'inquiring minds want to know"??
>>>>
>>>> Deems
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: paint weight? |
I cannot figure it out , but my plane gained only 18# with 3 color scheme
1605# to 1617#. I cannot figure out why so little weight. I did the new weight
with 9 qts of oil not the 12 qts that I did originally.
I figured that it was about 2# per qt of oil 2# x 3 = 6# (12#+6#=18#)
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Q/B - flying 1 yr+
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| Subject: | Here's one for the 'EE' /'RF' wizards |
Deems check this out! You could Velcro the box to your helmet and shorten
the wires.
http://www.multispectral.com/pdf/MSSI161103b.pdf
-Chris
#40072
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 8:05 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Here's one for the 'EE' /'RF' wizards
Good point about the battery, but BT devices don't require a lot of power,
and it seems that the devices could run for quite some time on a battery and
carrying backup batteries shouldn't be an issue, you need to do that for
your Noise Canceling equip anyway. Years ago, I was flying with a Sigtronics
intercom that was battery powered, when the batteries went out so did the
headset (happened to me IFR over the Sierras). So there's an instance of a
com'l (TSO'd?) device that was battery dependent.
It seems that the experimental market usually leads in innovation on these
type of things, and I for one, would certainly like to have a 'cordless
cockpit'.
Deems
On 12/6/2010 5:40 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
<apilot2@gmail.com>
There is no need to use TSO headphones in aircraft, unless you are
flying Part 135 or 121.
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 5:24 PM, Tim Olson <mailto:Tim@myrv10.com>
<Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
Ps: keep in mind they're TSO'd.
On Dec 6, 2010, at 6:01 PM, Deems Davis <mailto:deemsdavis@cox.net>
<deemsdavis@cox.net> wrote:
Why don't we have blue-tooth headsets available for the GA market? I know
that a couple of mfgs make headset that are capable of doubling as a BT
headset for you cell phone, but why isn't there a BT receiver/transmitter
that can be plugged direct into the Mic and headset plugs (or for those so
inclined wired direct into the audio panel ) so that we could have truly
'wireless headsets' in the cockpit.
Sony make a BT receiver/transmitter :
https://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId
=10551
<https://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogI
d=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&productId=8198552921665260011>
&storeId=10151&langId=-1&productId=8198552921665260011
Why couldn't you wire this into a headset/mic plug set and then use some
commercial BT headset/mic?
As Les say's: 'inquiring minds want to know"??
Deems
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| Subject: | Here's one for the 'EE' /'RF' wizards |
Starting with a Captain from Southwest, there is a boom mike (FlybyMike) wh
ich allows the Bose QC II to be modified and used by scores of Part 121 dri
vers. They are driven by a single AAA battery and are not TSOed to my know
ledge. I bought two QCIIs for $250@ and made the mod. These were so popul
ar that Bose was redesigning the QC.
John Cox
From: Kelly McMullen
Sent: Mon 12/6/2010 7:21 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Here's one for the 'EE' /'RF' wizards
I did some more checking. Only DC, Bose and Sennheiser seem to get
approval on all their headsets. Lightspeed, Telex, Signtronics and
Clarity Aloft all offer non-TSO headsets, and apparently even airlines
only need TSO IF it is in their OPs manual for portable equipment not
hardwired to the aircraft. There is no FAA requirement to use TSO, and
it gives you about the same difference as between a KX-170B and a
KX175B..paperwork only. See http://sportys.com/headsetguide for
specific listing of TSO vs non-TSO models.
I could swear I saw a PR release from someone offering just what Deems
wanted, but Google turns up nothing.
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 7:16 PM, Linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net> wr
ote:
>
> The TSO (technical Standard Order) is a just document that describes the
> minimum parameters that must be met by the product that is manufactured f
or
> aviation .... whatever the product may be. Bluetooth, being a relative
new
> communication medium may not have risen to the top of the FAA proposed TS
O
> list. I don't expect to see bluetooth headsets with a TSO due to the
> firmware/software required to configure the bluetooth link.
>
> RST engineering ( http://www.rst-engr.com/index.html ) may be able to com
e
> up with a solution or the resons why it's not feasible ..... I didn't ask
.
> Linn
>
>
> On 12/6/2010 8:09 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>>
>>
>> No, but no high-quality headset market is going to
>> come out with a nice high-end product that they
>> want to mass-market that isn't TSO'd. They'd
>> be selling to a smaller market, and the risk to
>> them if they produced something that quit working
>> when the batteries died would be too bad...they'd
>> lose all their profits to the lawsuit in the first
>> crash that was blamed on poor headset design.
>>
>> Sure, you'll probably find some experimental
>> dude, or small company, willing to take the
>> risk blindly and come out with a product...but
>> then again, to date there aren't many really
>> true "ideal" choices in headsets...for most it's
>> either you want cheap, or you want real nice
>> quality...which limits it to only a few headset
>> choices.
>>
>> If Bose, Lightspeed, David Clark, Telex can't TSO it,
>> it probably won't ever happen.
>>
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>> On 12/6/2010 6:40 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>>>
>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen<apilot2@gmail.com>
>>>
>>> There is no need to use TSO headphones in aircraft, unless you are
>>> flying Part 135 or 121.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 5:24 PM, Tim Olson<Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Ps: keep in mind they're TSO'd.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 6, 2010, at 6:01 PM, Deems Davis<deemsdavis@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Why don't we have blue-tooth headsets available for the GA market? I
>>>> know
>>>> that a couple of mfgs make headset that are capable of doubling as a B
T
>>>> headset for you cell phone, but why isn't there a BT
>>>> receiver/transmitter
>>>> that can be plugged direct into the Mic and headset plugs (or for thos
e
>>>> so
>>>> inclined wired direct into the audio panel ) so that we could have tru
ly
>>>> 'wireless headsets' in the cockpit.
>>>>
>>>> Sony make a BT receiver/transmitter :
>>>>
>>>> https://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?cat
alogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&productId=8198552921665260011
>>>>
>>>> Why couldn't you wire this into a headset/mic plug set and then use so
me
>>>> commercial BT headset/mic?
>>>>
>>>> As Les say's: 'inquiring minds want to know"??
>>>>
>>>> Deems
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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My left-side rear passenger was getting out of the plane after me and when
he was on the step it broke at the upper weld. Only slight damage to the
skin when the step pressed against the side before it broke completely off.
Going to half to get access to the bolt to remove the remaining piece and
repair it. I had already riveted the baggage floor on when the discussion
began on this list about putting an access cover so you could get to the
bolt but wish I had done that before. If I was starting over I think I would
not only but an access cover there but put a nutplate there instead of a
lock nut or maybe weld a nut on the bottom of the receptacle in the plane.
Albert Gardner
Yuma, Arizona
N991RV
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| Subject: | Re: Here's one for the 'EE' /'RF' wizards |
Make that --UFLYMIKE ---- http://uflymike.com/index.html
a "FlyByMike" search yields some strange results.=-O
Deems
On 12/6/2010 8:50 PM, John Cox wrote:
> Starting with a Captain from Southwest, there is a boom mike
> (FlybyMike) which allows the Bose QC II to be modified and used by
> scores of Part 121 drivers. They are driven by a single AAA battery
> and are not TSOed to my knowledge. I bought two QCIIs for $250@ and
> made the mod. These were so popular that Bose was redesigning the QC.
> John Cox
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Kelly McMullen
> *Sent:* Mon 12/6/2010 7:21 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Here's one for the 'EE' /'RF' wizards
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen<apilot2@gmail.com>
>
> I did some more checking. Only DC, Bose and Sennheiser seem to get
> approval on all their headsets. Lightspeed, Telex, Signtronics and
> Clarity Aloft all offer non-TSO headsets, and apparently even airlines
> only need TSO IF it is in their OPs manual for portable equipment not
> hardwired to the aircraft. There is no FAA requirement to use TSO, and
> it gives you about the same difference as between a KX-170B and a
> KX175B..paperwork only. See http://sportys.com/headsetguide for
> specific listing of TSO vs non-TSO models.
> I could swear I saw a PR release from someone offering just what Deems
> wanted, but Google turns up nothing.
>
> On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 7:16 PM, Linn Walters<pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: Linn Walters<pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
> >
> > The TSO (technical Standard Order) is a just document that describes the
> > minimum parameters that must be met by the product that is manufactured for
> > aviation .... whatever the product may be. Bluetooth, being a relative new
> > communication medium may not have risen to the top of the FAA proposed TSO
> > list. I don't expect to see bluetooth headsets with a TSO due to the
> > firmware/software required to configure the bluetooth link.
> >
> > RST engineering ( http://www.rst-engr.com/index.html ) may be able to come
> > up with a solution or the resons why it's not feasible ..... I didn't ask.
> > Linn
> >
> >
> >
> > On 12/6/2010 8:09 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
> >>
> >> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson<Tim@myrv10.com>
> >>
> >> No, but no high-quality headset market is going to
> >> come out with a nice high-end product that they
> >> want to mass-market that isn't TSO'd. They'd
> >> be selling to a smaller market, and the risk to
> >> them if they produced something that quit working
> >> when the batteries died would be too bad...they'd
> >> lose all their profits to the lawsuit in the first
> >> crash that was blamed on poor headset design.
> >>
> >> Sure, you'll probably find some experimental
> >> dude, or small company, willing to take the
> >> risk blindly and come out with a product...but
> >> then again, to date there aren't many really
> >> true "ideal" choices in headsets...for most it's
> >> either you want cheap, or you want real nice
> >> quality...which limits it to only a few headset
> >> choices.
> >>
> >> If Bose, Lightspeed, David Clark, Telex can't TSO it,
> >> it probably won't ever happen.
> >>
> >> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
> >> do not archive
> >>
> >>
> >> On 12/6/2010 6:40 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
> >>>
> >>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen<apilot2@gmail.com>
> >>>
> >>> There is no need to use TSO headphones in aircraft, unless you are
> >>> flying Part 135 or 121.
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 5:24 PM, Tim Olson<Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Ps: keep in mind they're TSO'd.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Dec 6, 2010, at 6:01 PM, Deems Davis<deemsdavis@cox.net> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Why don't we have blue-tooth headsets available for the GA market? I
> >>>> know
> >>>> that a couple of mfgs make headset that are capable of doubling as a BT
> >>>> headset for you cell phone, but why isn't there a BT
> >>>> receiver/transmitter
> >>>> that can be plugged direct into the Mic and headset plugs (or for those
> >>>> so
> >>>> inclined wired direct into the audio panel ) so that we could have truly
> >>>> 'wireless headsets' in the cockpit.
> >>>>
> >>>> Sony make a BT receiver/transmitter :
> >>>>
> >>>> https://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&productId=8198552921665260011
> >>>>
> >>>> Why couldn't you wire this into a headset/mic plug set and then use some
> >>>> commercial BT headset/mic?
> >>>>
> >>>> As Les say's: 'inquiring minds want to know"??
> >>>>
> >>>> Deems
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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> *
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| Subject: | Re: Here's one for the 'EE' /'RF' wizards |
Details, details....now if Vans would just get the scribe lines and
index hole marks molded within 1/2 inch of where they belong, especially
for the doors.
On 12/6/2010 9:37 PM, Deems Davis wrote:
> Make that --UFLYMIKE ---- http://uflymike.com/index.html
>
> a "FlyByMike" search yields some strange results.=-O
>
> Deems
>
> On 12/6/2010 8:50 PM, John Cox wrote:
>> Starting with a Captain from Southwest, there is a boom mike
>> (FlybyMike) which allows the Bose QC II to be modified and used by
>> scores of Part 121 drivers. They are driven by a single AAA battery
>> and are not TSOed to my knowledge. I bought two QCIIs for $250@ and
>> made the mod. These were so popular that Bose was redesigning the QC.
>> John Cox
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| Subject: | Re: paint weight? |
Just some thinking out loud here
- that's about 1.1% of the gross weight - sounds right. A larger
aircraft would have a diminishing percentage of paint to gross weight
I recall someone saying a fully painted airliner's weight could be about
.5% of gross weight. Just guessing here.
- 3 color vs 1 color I don't think matters much. I learned that a
gallon of Imron white is significantly heavier than a gallon of Imron
autumn sun with pearlescent effect. Color can be lighter (?)
- 18lbs is a significant chunk of weight to haul around day in and day
out - offhand, I'm thinking that a minimal panel weighs less. How much
does a wheel and tire weigh? I've moved a 10lb flight bag around the
cockpit to fix CG issues in the Maule.
- I would have a hard time losing or gaining 18lbs in body weight but
I'm not sure what that has to do with anything
- I wish I had weighed some parts pre and post paint to figure out what
is going on
Bill "hoping for warmer painting weather" Watson
On 12/6/2010 10:26 PM, AirMike wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "AirMike"<Mikeabel@Pacbell.net>
>
> I cannot figure it out , but my plane gained only 18# with 3 color scheme
> 1605# to 1617#. I cannot figure out why so little weight. I did the new weight
with 9 qts of oil not the 12 qts that I did originally.
> I figured that it was about 2# per qt of oil 2# x 3 = 6# (12#+6#=18#)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: fwf/engine hanging procedures |
Rob=2C
I'll let you know by this weekend. I need to mix up a few things. I had cu
t one of my sheaths without removing the solid core and of course having bo
th the sheath and the core the same length doesn't work. I need to see if t
his short core will work for the FAB door.
Thanks
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: fwf/engine hanging procedures
From: rv10rob@gmail.com
John=2C if you want the same cable=2C I can sell you my extra. I have FI
=2C so I have one left over.
-Rob
On Mon=2C Dec 6=2C 2010 at 10:35 AM=2C John Gonzalez <indigoonlatigo@msn.co
m> wrote:
You have two cable for cabin heat.
One cable for the emergency FAB bypass door on the bottom of the airfilter
box.
One cable for the Carberator heat which cuts off the air from the cowl scoo
p intake and allows hot air into the filter box via the cowl air inside the
engine compartment.
I needed to purchase one more cable for the oil cooler butterfly valve.
The subpanel looks pretty goofy with five black handles sticking out of it
along with the Mixture=2C prop and throttle.
Maybe someone will put the control for these on their control stick switche
s(just kidding!)
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: fwf/engine hanging procedures
From: rv10rob@gmail.com
FWIW=2C my FAB kit came with a black cable=2C too=2C so I ended up with an
extra.
On Sat=2C Dec 4=2C 2010 at 8:44 AM=2C rvdave <davidbf@centurytel.net> wrote
:
I've been going over the fwf list that Bob L. had in the archives=2C it sho
wed 3 black cables=2C 2 for heat=2C what is the other one for?
3.00 CT A-740 BLACK PUSH PULL CABLE BLACK
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I knew that this was a problem area (had a problem with my Piper) so I did the
access plate hole which provides for access to the bolt - plus an inspection cover
for annual
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