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1. 06:42 AM - Re: Sporty's Ipad Kneeboard PIREP (Robin Marks)
2. 07:32 AM - Re: Sporty's Ipad Kneeboard PIREP (rv10flyer)
3. 08:45 AM - Re: Sporty's Ipad Kneeboard PIREP (Deems Davis)
4. 08:48 AM - Re: iPad GPS (lbgjb10)
5. 08:54 AM - Re: Re: Sporty's Ipad Kneeboard PIREP (Deems Davis)
6. 09:34 AM - Re: Re: Sporty's Ipad Kneeboard PIREP (Tim Olson)
7. 10:00 AM - Re: Re: Sporty's Ipad Kneeboard PIREP (Miller John)
8. 01:18 PM - Re: Re: Sporty's Ipad Kneeboard PIREP (Pascal)
9. 01:25 PM - Re: Re: Sporty's Ipad Kneeboard PIREP (Jesse Saint)
10. 01:42 PM - Re: Re: Sporty's Ipad Kneeboard PIREP (Miller John)
11. 04:51 PM - Elevator Adjustment (Les Kearney)
12. 05:18 PM - Re: Elevator Adjustment (Jim Combs)
13. 05:28 PM - Re: Elevator Adjustment (Bob Turner)
14. 05:56 PM - Re: Elevator Adjustment (David Leikam)
15. 07:11 PM - Re: Elevator Adjustment (Kelly McMullen)
16. 07:16 PM - Re: Elevator Adjustment (Jesse Saint)
17. 07:39 PM - Re: Elevator Adjustment (Les Kearney)
18. 07:39 PM - Re: Elevator Adjustment (Les Kearney)
19. 07:42 PM - Re: Elevator Adjustment (Rob Kochman)
20. 08:05 PM - Re: Elevator Adjustment (Les Kearney)
21. 08:26 PM - Re: Elevator Adjustment (Les Kearney)
22. 09:22 PM - Re: Elevator Adjustment (Bob Turner)
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| Subject: | Sporty's Ipad Kneeboard PIREP |
$55.04
http://www.ram-mount.com/CatalogResults/PartDetails/tabid/63/partid/0820650
80045050057057045050045065080056085/Default.aspx
Robin
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owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Danny Riggs
*Sent:* Saturday, December 11, 2010 9:56 PM
*To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
*Subject:* RE: RV10-List: Sporty's Ipad Kneeboard PIREP
Where is that one sold that plugs into the cup holder?
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From: robin@painttheweb.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Sporty's Ipad Kneeboard PIREP
Deems,
Have you considered a RAM mount rather than a kneeboard for
supporting the iPad when in the cockpit? They make several different choice
s
from the traditional arm with swivel ball joints at both ends to a goosenec
k
support that allows you to swing the iPad into and out of position as you
require. They make Goosenecks that support notebooks so I bet they have one
suitable for the 1.6 pound iPad. The other day I posted a new iPad holder o
n
the RV-List half joking but it was a swing arm that seemed like it could
work mounted to the top of the canopy and could be pivoted into position
when in use (allowing you to keep your head / eyes up).
Funny how you can plan and plan for the best panel you could
have ever dreamed of and once flying a piece of electronics comes along to
change everything.
Deems, what software have you settled on to use with your pad?
Robin
Maybe one of these mounted to the side of the tunnel with the gooseneck
pointing up? You could also run 12V power for continuous charge.
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owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Deems Davis
*Sent:* Saturday, December 11, 2010 7:59 PM
*To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
*Subject:* RV10-List: Sporty's Ipad Kneeboard PIREP
A few weeks ago I saw Sporty's advert for a combo kneeboard and Ipad case.
http://sportys.com/PilotShop/product/15935?utm_source=PilotShop&utm_mediu
m=email&utm_content=Sporty%27siPadKneeboard&utm_campaign=A10114B<http
://sportys.com/PilotShop/product/15935?utm_source=PilotShop&utm_medium=
email&utm_content=Sporty'siPadKneeboard&utm_campaign=A10114B>
What made this one unique is that it has an adjustable 'tilt' to allow you
to position the ipad at an angle, which I believe is an essential
requirement. They were back ordered, and it arrived a few days ago. I got
out to the airport today anxious to give it a try.
LIKEY:
It is a good quality cushioned canvas Ipad case/holder. That provides good
protection.
The TILT capability allows for 4 different angles
Some extra pockets, but I really don't know what I'd put in them, as the
goal w/ the IPAD is to put as much paper on it as possible.
NO LIKEY:
They built some padded 'ridges' into the backside that rests on your knee,
to help 'balance" the flat surface on your curved knee. They are of margina
l
value IMO and don't really do much to keep the kneeboard "centered".
The attachment that attaches the IPAD to the kneeboard does NOT pivot so yo
u
are limited to a portrait only view.
But the BIGGEST problem I have with it is that It just TOO BIG, the cover i
s
like a book cover that opens with the spline on the right, the top and
bottom are about 3/4" of an inch larger than the IPAD itself. When the cove
r
is open and the 'kneeboard is strapped to your leg, the cover just hangs
down "vertically". In my plane it interferres with the center
console/tunnel and obscures the throttle and prop control. I headed to a
nearby airport for some T&G's, but there is just no way that you can safely
fly the airplane with this strapped to you knee (at least in my
configuration).
Conclusion: this won't work for me, I'm still looking/conjurin about a more
compact kneeboard that has the TILT built in and also allows for a pivot,
but doesn't' have the 'FLAP' on the side.
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| Subject: | Re: Sporty's Ipad Kneeboard PIREP |
I like the idea of mounting it to the top or side of the tunnel. I plan on getting
one after finished with the plane. I was planning on building an armrest/storage
compartment on top between seats so will need to incorporate something
like that too. For those that are flying would this be a good idea/location?
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Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08
Bldr# 40983 SB
Fuselage 9/21/10- Sec 32 Tailcone Attach
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how about a priep in silver tube at 35k with aisle seat!!! Tom, would love to
see the unit sometime. larry
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Larry and Gayle N104LG
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| Subject: | Re: Sporty's Ipad Kneeboard PIREP |
IMO , you could mount it along side of the tunnel on the co-pilot side,
but only if you don't have someone sitting in that seat most of the
time. If you did I believe it would interfere with their space. I don't
believe that mounting it on the pilot side will allow access to TPM, and
allow stick movement. I have a center armrest console, ( and like it)
but I don't think that even without it that it would be a good place to
mount the Ipad.
A lot of the utility of the ipad for us is in it's being portable, once
you're at your destination, We get as much or more use from it on the
ground as in the air. I'm just not convinced that a hard cockpit
mounting makes sense.
Deems
On 12/12/2010 8:30 AM, rv10flyer wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "rv10flyer"<wayne.gillispie@yahoo.com>
>
> I like the idea of mounting it to the top or side of the tunnel. I plan on getting
one after finished with the plane. I was planning on building an armrest/storage
compartment on top between seats so will need to incorporate something
like that too. For those that are flying would this be a good idea/location?
>
> --------
> Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08
> Bldr# 40983 SB
> Fuselage 9/21/10- Sec 32 Tailcone Attach
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323046#323046
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sporty's Ipad Kneeboard PIREP |
Considering that ultimately you're trying to replace paper, and that said pa
per also isn't mounted, I don't see it as a big loss to have to hand hold th
e iPad. Keeps it very portable...and able to be passed around. I find that
a normal standard kneeboard (aluminum in my case) is even big enough to int
erfere with the stick, although it is workable for me. I don't think person
ally that any hard mount for the iPad is for me. Personal reference. Rear s
eat headrest mount might be nice for entertainment though.
Tim
On Dec 12, 2010, at 10:51 AM, Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net> wrote:
> IMO , you could mount it along side of the tunnel on the co-pilot side, bu
t only if you don't have someone sitting in that seat most of the time. If y
ou did I believe it would interfere with their space. I don't believe t
hat mounting it on the pilot side will allow access to TPM, and allow stick m
ovement. I have a center armrest console, ( and like it) but I don't think t
hat even without it that it would be a good place to mount the Ipad.
> A lot of the utility of the ipad for us is in it's being portable, once yo
u're at your destination, We get as much or more use from it on the ground a
s in the air. I'm just not convinced that a hard cockpit mounting makes sens
e.
>
> Deems
>
> On 12/12/2010 8:30 AM, rv10flyer wrote:
>>
>>
>> I like the idea of mounting it to the top or side of the tunnel. I plan o
n getting one after finished with the plane. I was planning on building an a
rmrest/storage compartment on top between seats so will need to incorporate s
omething like that too. For those that are flying would this be a good idea/
location?
>>
>> --------
>> Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08
>> Bldr# 40983 SB
>> Fuselage 9/21/10- Sec 32 Tailcone Attach
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>> Read this topic online here:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323046#323046
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| Subject: | Re: Sporty's Ipad Kneeboard PIREP |
Here are 3 pics of mine mounted with removable arm from cabin top bar.
No snide comments about which side I fly from!
grumpy
On Dec 12, 2010, at 9:30 AM, rv10flyer wrote:
> >
>
> I like the idea of mounting it to the top or side of the tunnel. I
> plan on getting one after finished with the plane. I was planning on
> building an armrest/storage compartment on top between seats so will
> need to incorporate something like that too. For those that are
> flying would this be a good idea/location?
>
> --------
> Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08
> Bldr# 40983 SB
> Fuselage 9/21/10- Sec 32 Tailcone Attach
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323046#323046
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sporty's Ipad Kneeboard PIREP |
common helo location. I too would prefer to fly on the right side, I can do
both at this point since it all looks the same in the front.
Pascal
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From: "Miller John" <gengrumpy@aol.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 9:55 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Sporty's Ipad Kneeboard PIREP
> Here are 3 pics of mine mounted with removable arm from cabin top bar.
>
> No snide comments about which side I fly from!
>
> grumpy
>
>
>
> On Dec 12, 2010, at 9:30 AM, rv10flyer wrote:
>
>> >
>>
>> I like the idea of mounting it to the top or side of the tunnel. I
>> plan on getting one after finished with the plane. I was planning on
>> building an armrest/storage compartment on top between seats so will
>> need to incorporate something like that too. For those that are
>> flying would this be a good idea/location?
>>
>> --------
>> Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08
>> Bldr# 40983 SB
>> Fuselage 9/21/10- Sec 32 Tailcone Attach
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323046#323046
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Sporty's Ipad Kneeboard PIREP |
I agree completely. I don't think iPad will replace my paper notepad on my k
neeboard. Portable & versatile is key for me.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
www.mavericklsa.com
C: 352-427-0285
O: 352-465-4545
F: 815-377-3694
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 12, 2010, at 12:31 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
> Considering that ultimately you're trying to replace paper, and that said p
aper also isn't mounted, I don't see it as a big loss to have to hand hold t
he iPad. Keeps it very portable...and able to be passed around. I find tha
t a normal standard kneeboard (aluminum in my case) is even big enough to in
terfere with the stick, although it is workable for me. I don't think perso
nally that any hard mount for the iPad is for me. Personal reference. Rear
seat headrest mount might be nice for entertainment though.
> Tim
>
>
>
> On Dec 12, 2010, at 10:51 AM, Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> IMO , you could mount it along side of the tunnel on the co-pilot side, b
ut only if you don't have someone sitting in that seat most of the time. If y
ou did I believe it would interfere with their space. I don't believe that m
ounting it on the pilot side will allow access to TPM, and allow stick movem
ent. I have a center armrest console, ( and like it) but I don't think that e
ven without it that it would be a good place to mount the Ipad.
>> A lot of the utility of the ipad for us is in it's being portable, once y
ou're at your destination, We get as much or more use from it on the ground a
s in the air. I'm just not convinced that a hard cockpit mounting makes sens
e.
>>
>> Deems
>>
>> On 12/12/2010 8:30 AM, rv10flyer wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I like the idea of mounting it to the top or side of the tunnel. I plan o
n getting one after finished with the plane. I was planning on building an a
rmrest/storage compartment on top between seats so will need to incorporate s
omething like that too. For those that are flying would this be a good idea/
location?
>>>
>>> --------
>>> Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08
>>> Bldr# 40983 SB
>>> Fuselage 9/21/10- Sec 32 Tailcone Attach
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323046#323046
>>>
>>>
>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Sporty's Ipad Kneeboard PIREP |
Helo - No!
Fighters - Yes!
grumpy
do not archive
On Dec 12, 2010, at 3:14 PM, Pascal wrote:
>
> common helo location. I too would prefer to fly on the right side, I
> can do both at this point since it all looks the same in the front.
> Pascal
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Miller John" <gengrumpy@aol.com>
> Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 9:55 AM
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Sporty's Ipad Kneeboard PIREP
>
>> Here are 3 pics of mine mounted with removable arm from cabin top
>> bar.
>>
>> No snide comments about which side I fly from!
>>
>> grumpy
>>
>>
>
>
>>
>> On Dec 12, 2010, at 9:30 AM, rv10flyer wrote:
>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> I like the idea of mounting it to the top or side of the tunnel. I
>>> plan on getting one after finished with the plane. I was planning on
>>> building an armrest/storage compartment on top between seats so will
>>> need to incorporate something like that too. For those that are
>>> flying would this be a good idea/location?
>>>
>>> --------
>>> Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08
>>> Bldr# 40983 SB
>>> Fuselage 9/21/10- Sec 32 Tailcone Attach
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323046#323046
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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| Subject: | Elevator Adjustment |
Hi
Today I finished fitting my empennage (love that word!) to the tail. Per the
plans I checked the elevator travel up and down. The up travel is 28.5
degrees versus the 30 degrees required. This will require filing of the
F1012D elevator stop and should be no problem.
The down travel however is on 22 degrees versus the required 25. This I am
not sure how top correct as the limitation is where the forward push rod
connects to the F635 elevator bellcrank located just aft of the baggage area
in the tail. As the forward rod travels aft, the F635 contacts the end of
the control tube and stops any further movement. The elevator horn still has
room to move so that is not and won't be a problem.
The only solution I can think of would be to shift the F1090 control forward
by screwing the froward rod end deeper into the tube and the aft rod end
out. My only concern would be the amount of thread left engaged by the aft
rod end.
Has anyone else had this problem and if so how did you deal with it.
Inquiring minds need to know.
Cheers
Les
#40643
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator Adjustment |
Les,
I had to quite a bit of adjusting to ALL the control rod ends in the
elevator system to get things to not hit (Other than the elevator stops).
Do you have the tail cone attached to the cabin section? I think I spend a
couple of hours getting everything just right. There are two bell cranks
and the control arm at the front to deal with.
Jim C N312F (200 Hours)
Do Not Archive
On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 7:48 PM, Les Kearney <kearney@shaw.ca> wrote:
> Hi
>
> Today I finished fitting my empennage (love that word!) to the tail. Per
> the plans I checked the elevator travel up and down. The up travel is 28.
5
> degrees versus the 30 degrees required. This will require filing of the
> F1012D elevator stop and should be no problem.
>
> The down travel however is on 22 degrees versus the required 25. This I a
m
> not sure how top correct as the limitation is where the forward push rod
> connects to the F635 elevator bellcrank located just aft of the baggage a
rea
> in the tail. As the forward rod travels aft, the F635 contacts the end of
> the control tube and stops any further movement. The elevator horn still
has
> room to move so that is not and won't be a problem.
>
> The only solution I can think of would be to shift the F1090 control
> forward by screwing the froward rod end deeper into the tube and the aft
rod
> end out. My only concern would be the amount of thread left engaged by th
e
> aft rod end.
>
> Has anyone else had this problem and if so how did you deal with it.
>
> Inquiring minds need to know=85
>
> Cheers
>
> Les
> #40643
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator Adjustment |
Certainly having the bellcrank hit the push tube, and limiting travel, is not right.
The limit should be at the rudder horn. Have you peeked ahead to the section
on rigging, to make sure that when the elevator is neutral, the bell crank
is at the proper angle?
To answer your question, I've been told the minimum engagement depth for a rod
end is 1.5 times the diameter of the threaded end. You need to either safety
wire the rod end so it can't back out; or make certain that if you rotate the
push tube the other rod end will come tight (all the way in) before this rod end
falls out (or I should say comes to less than 1.5 times its diameter of falling
out).
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Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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Hi Les,
If you check section 5, you will find a max and min range for the
travel. I don't have my plans with me but I think you are within the
acceptable limits. I experienced the same issue until a friend told me
to check section 5.
Dave Leikam.
On Dec 12, 2010, at 6:48 PM, Les Kearney wrote:
> Hi
>
> Today I finished fitting my empennage (love that word!) to the tail.
Per the plans I checked the elevator travel up and down. The up travel
is 28.5 degrees versus the 30 degrees required. This will require filing
of the F1012D elevator stop and should be no problem.
>
> The down travel however is on 22 degrees versus the required 25. This
I am not sure how top correct as the limitation is where the forward
push rod connects to the F635 elevator bellcrank located just aft of the
baggage area in the tail. As the forward rod travels aft, the F635
contacts the end of the control tube and stops any further movement. The
elevator horn still has room to move so that is not and won't be a
problem.
>
> The only solution I can think of would be to shift the F1090 control
forward by screwing the froward rod end deeper into the tube and the aft
rod end out. My only concern would be the amount of thread left engaged
by the aft rod end.
>
> Has anyone else had this problem and if so how did you deal with it.
>
> Inquiring minds need to know=85
>
> Cheers
>
> Les
> #40643
>
>
>
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Put out the APB. Les has escaped the fiberglass prison. We need him
back. :-P
On 12/12/2010 5:48 PM, Les Kearney wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> Today I finished fitting my empennage (love that word!) to the tail.
> Per the plans I checked the elevator travel up and down.
>
> Cheers
>
> Les
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I seem to remember this as well. I think you have a little more flexibility
on the nose-down elevator.
Do not archive
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I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
www.mavericklsa.com
C: 352-427-0285
O: 352-465-4545
F: 815-377-3694
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On Dec 12, 2010, at 8:52 PM, David Leikam <daveleikam@wi.rr.com> wrote:
> Hi Les,
> If you check section 5, you will find a max and min range for the travel.
I don't have my plans with me but I think you are within the acceptable lim
its. I experienced the same issue until a friend told me to check section 5
.
>
> Dave Leikam.
>
> On Dec 12, 2010, at 6:48 PM, Les Kearney wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> Today I finished fitting my empennage (love that word!) to the tail. Per t
he plans I checked the elevator travel up and down. The up travel is 28.5 de
grees versus the 30 degrees required. This will require filing of the F1012D
elevator stop and should be no problem.
>>
>> The down travel however is on 22 degrees versus the required 25. This I a
m not sure how top correct as the limitation is where the forward push rod c
onnects to the F635 elevator bellcrank located just aft of the baggage area i
n the tail. As the forward rod travels aft, the F635 contacts the end of the
control tube and stops any further movement. The elevator horn still has ro
om to move so that is not and won't be a problem.
>>
>> The only solution I can think of would be to shift the F1090 control forw
ard by screwing the froward rod end deeper into the tube and the aft rod end
out. My only concern would be the amount of thread left engaged by the aft r
od end.
>>
>> Has anyone else had this problem and if so how did you deal with it.
>>
>> Inquiring minds need to know
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Les
>> #40643
>>
>>
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Jim
My empennage (there's that word again!), spent about 2 1/2 years hanging
from my garage ceiling since being built. Over the past few months I have
moved to a hanger, attached the tail cone and have just attached the stabs
and elevators / rudder. This was the first time any of these components have
been attached.
Using the 91.4 degree template, I first adjusted the front two control rods
so the bell crank was aligned correctly.
After attaching the elevators, I adjusted the rear control arm.
As it sits now, the control tube lengths are spot on perfect. The more I
think about it and based on the comments received, I need to shift the
middle control tube forward so it does not touch the bell crank when the
tail is fully down. This should bring the elevator control arm into contact
with the forward elevator stop and also give me a few degrees more travel.
Cheers
Les
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Combs
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Subject: Re: RV10-List: Elevator Adjustment
Les,
I had to quite a bit of adjusting to ALL the control rod ends in the
elevator system to get things to not hit (Other than the elevator stops).
Do you have the tail cone attached to the cabin section? I think I spend a
couple of hours getting everything just right. There are two bell cranks
and the control arm at the front to deal with.
Jim C N312F (200 Hours)
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On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 7:48 PM, Les Kearney <kearney@shaw.ca> wrote:
Hi
Today I finished fitting my empennage (love that word!) to the tail. Per the
plans I checked the elevator travel up and down. The up travel is 28.5
degrees versus the 30 degrees required. This will require filing of the
F1012D elevator stop and should be no problem.
The down travel however is on 22 degrees versus the required 25. This I am
not sure how top correct as the limitation is where the forward push rod
connects to the F635 elevator bellcrank located just aft of the baggage area
in the tail. As the forward rod travels aft, the F635 contacts the end of
the control tube and stops any further movement. The elevator horn still has
room to move so that is not and won't be a problem.
The only solution I can think of would be to shift the F1090 control forward
by screwing the froward rod end deeper into the tube and the aft rod end
out. My only concern would be the amount of thread left engaged by the aft
rod end.
Has anyone else had this problem and if so how did you deal with it.
Inquiring minds need to know.
Cheers
Les
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Hi Dave
I checked my section 5 and didn't find anything related to elevator travel.
That being said, I still need to deal with the bell crank being the limiting
factor. I agree with Bob Turner's comments in this regard.
If the 28.5 degree up travel is okay, I will avoid filing the elevator stop.
I still have about 1/4" clearance on the front stop so I should be able to
get the missing 3 degress of down travel. I just hope I can adjust the rod
ends enough to make this happen.
Cheers
Les
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Subject: Re: RV10-List: Elevator Adjustment
Hi Les,
If you check section 5, you will find a max and min range for the travel. I
don't have my plans with me but I think you are within the acceptable
limits. I experienced the same issue until a friend told me to check
section 5.
Dave Leikam.
On Dec 12, 2010, at 6:48 PM, Les Kearney wrote:
Hi
Today I finished fitting my empennage (love that word!) to the tail. Per the
plans I checked the elevator travel up and down. The up travel is 28.5
degrees versus the 30 degrees required. This will require filing of the
F1012D elevator stop and should be no problem.
The down travel however is on 22 degrees versus the required 25. This I am
not sure how top correct as the limitation is where the forward push rod
connects to the F635 elevator bellcrank located just aft of the baggage area
in the tail. As the forward rod travels aft, the F635 contacts the end of
the control tube and stops any further movement. The elevator horn still has
room to move so that is not and won't be a problem.
The only solution I can think of would be to shift the F1090 control forward
by screwing the froward rod end deeper into the tube and the aft rod end
out. My only concern would be the amount of thread left engaged by the aft
rod end.
Has anyone else had this problem and if so how did you deal with it.
Inquiring minds need to know.
Cheers
Les
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Relevant section of the doc attached. As an aside, I found out about this
doc only a few weeks ago. Apparently I didn't get it and the W&B doc in
whatever kit they usually come in.
-Rob
On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com>wrote
:
> I seem to remember this as well. I think you have a little more
> flexibility on the nose-down elevator.
>
> Do not archive
>
> Jesse Saint
> I-TEC, Inc.
> jesse@itecusa.org
> www.itecusa.org
> www.mavericklsa.com
> C: 352-427-0285
> O: 352-465-4545
> F: 815-377-3694
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 12, 2010, at 8:52 PM, David Leikam <daveleikam@wi.rr.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Les,
> If you check section 5, you will find a max and min range for the travel.
> I don't have my plans with me but I think you are within the acceptable
> limits. I experienced the same issue until a friend told me to check
> section 5.
>
> Dave Leikam.
>
> On Dec 12, 2010, at 6:48 PM, Les Kearney wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> Today I finished fitting my empennage (love that word!) to the tail. Per
> the plans I checked the elevator travel up and down. The up travel is 28.
5
> degrees versus the 30 degrees required. This will require filing of the
> F1012D elevator stop and should be no problem.
>
> The down travel however is on 22 degrees versus the required 25. This I a
m
> not sure how top correct as the limitation is where the forward push rod
> connects to the F635 elevator bellcrank located just aft of the baggage a
rea
> in the tail. As the forward rod travels aft, the F635 contacts the end of
> the control tube and stops any further movement. The elevator horn still
has
> room to move so that is not and won't be a problem.
>
> The only solution I can think of would be to shift the F1090 control
> forward by screwing the froward rod end deeper into the tube and the aft
rod
> end out. My only concern would be the amount of thread left engaged by th
e
> aft rod end.
>
> Has anyone else had this problem and if so how did you deal with it.
>
> Inquiring minds need to know=85
>
> Cheers
>
> Les
> #40643
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Kelly
I am on day parole. I still have lots of F/G to do but needed to visit some
AL tools for a while.
Cheers
Les
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Put out the APB. Les has escaped the fiberglass prison. We need him back.
:-P
On 12/12/2010 5:48 PM, Les Kearney wrote:
Hi
Today I finished fitting my empennage (love that word!) to the tail. Per the
plans I checked the elevator travel up and down.
Cheers
Les
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Rob
Many thanks. I am well within the limts which is good to know. I will call
Van's tomorrow and ask about the WB docs as well (as I didn't get them
either).
Cheers
Les
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Subject: Re: RV10-List: Elevator Adjustment
Relevant section of the doc attached. As an aside, I found out about this
doc only a few weeks ago. Apparently I didn't get it and the W&B doc in
whatever kit they usually come in.
-Rob
On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com>
wrote:
I seem to remember this as well. I think you have a little more flexibility
on the nose-down elevator.
Do not archive
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org <http://www.itecusa.org/>
www.mavericklsa.com <http://www.mavericklsa.com/>
C: 352-427-0285
O: 352-465-4545
F: 815-377-3694
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 12, 2010, at 8:52 PM, David Leikam <daveleikam@wi.rr.com> wrote:
Hi Les,
If you check section 5, you will find a max and min range for the travel. I
don't have my plans with me but I think you are within the acceptable
limits. I experienced the same issue until a friend told me to check
section 5.
Dave Leikam.
On Dec 12, 2010, at 6:48 PM, Les Kearney wrote:
Hi
Today I finished fitting my empennage (love that word!) to the tail. Per the
plans I checked the elevator travel up and down. The up travel is 28.5
degrees versus the 30 degrees required. This will require filing of the
F1012D elevator stop and should be no problem.
The down travel however is on 22 degrees versus the required 25. This I am
not sure how top correct as the limitation is where the forward push rod
connects to the F635 elevator bellcrank located just aft of the baggage area
in the tail. As the forward rod travels aft, the F635 contacts the end of
the control tube and stops any further movement. The elevator horn still has
room to move so that is not and won't be a problem.
The only solution I can think of would be to shift the F1090 control forward
by screwing the froward rod end deeper into the tube and the aft rod end
out. My only concern would be the amount of thread left engaged by the aft
rod end.
Has anyone else had this problem and if so how did you deal with it.
Inquiring minds need to know.
Cheers
Les
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