---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 12/12/10: 22 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:42 AM - Re: Sporty's Ipad Kneeboard PIREP (Robin Marks) 2. 07:32 AM - Re: Sporty's Ipad Kneeboard PIREP (rv10flyer) 3. 08:45 AM - Re: Sporty's Ipad Kneeboard PIREP (Deems Davis) 4. 08:48 AM - Re: iPad GPS (lbgjb10) 5. 08:54 AM - Re: Re: Sporty's Ipad Kneeboard PIREP (Deems Davis) 6. 09:34 AM - Re: Re: Sporty's Ipad Kneeboard PIREP (Tim Olson) 7. 10:00 AM - Re: Re: Sporty's Ipad Kneeboard PIREP (Miller John) 8. 01:18 PM - Re: Re: Sporty's Ipad Kneeboard PIREP (Pascal) 9. 01:25 PM - Re: Re: Sporty's Ipad Kneeboard PIREP (Jesse Saint) 10. 01:42 PM - Re: Re: Sporty's Ipad Kneeboard PIREP (Miller John) 11. 04:51 PM - Elevator Adjustment (Les Kearney) 12. 05:18 PM - Re: Elevator Adjustment (Jim Combs) 13. 05:28 PM - Re: Elevator Adjustment (Bob Turner) 14. 05:56 PM - Re: Elevator Adjustment (David Leikam) 15. 07:11 PM - Re: Elevator Adjustment (Kelly McMullen) 16. 07:16 PM - Re: Elevator Adjustment (Jesse Saint) 17. 07:39 PM - Re: Elevator Adjustment (Les Kearney) 18. 07:39 PM - Re: Elevator Adjustment (Les Kearney) 19. 07:42 PM - Re: Elevator Adjustment (Rob Kochman) 20. 08:05 PM - Re: Elevator Adjustment (Les Kearney) 21. 08:26 PM - Re: Elevator Adjustment (Les Kearney) 22. 09:22 PM - Re: Elevator Adjustment (Bob Turner) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:42:52 AM PST US From: Robin Marks Subject: RE: RV10-List: Sporty's Ipad Kneeboard PIREP $55.04 http://www.ram-mount.com/CatalogResults/PartDetails/tabid/63/partid/0820650 80045050057057045050045065080056085/Default.aspx Robin *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Danny Riggs *Sent:* Saturday, December 11, 2010 9:56 PM *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: Sporty's Ipad Kneeboard PIREP Where is that one sold that plugs into the cup holder? ------------------------------ From: robin@painttheweb.com Subject: RE: RV10-List: Sporty's Ipad Kneeboard PIREP Deems, Have you considered a RAM mount rather than a kneeboard for supporting the iPad when in the cockpit? They make several different choice s from the traditional arm with swivel ball joints at both ends to a goosenec k support that allows you to swing the iPad into and out of position as you require. They make Goosenecks that support notebooks so I bet they have one suitable for the 1.6 pound iPad. The other day I posted a new iPad holder o n the RV-List half joking but it was a swing arm that seemed like it could work mounted to the top of the canopy and could be pivoted into position when in use (allowing you to keep your head / eyes up). Funny how you can plan and plan for the best panel you could have ever dreamed of and once flying a piece of electronics comes along to change everything. Deems, what software have you settled on to use with your pad? Robin Maybe one of these mounted to the side of the tunnel with the gooseneck pointing up? You could also run 12V power for continuous charge. [image: http://www.ram-mount.com/Portals/0/Skins/NationalProducts/images/2ipad.jpg] [image: http://www.ram-mount.com/Portals/0/Skins/NationalProducts/images/ap9seat3.j pg][image: http://www.ram-mount.com/Portals/0/Skins/NationalProducts/images/rap2992ap8 c.jpg] *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Deems Davis *Sent:* Saturday, December 11, 2010 7:59 PM *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com *Subject:* RV10-List: Sporty's Ipad Kneeboard PIREP A few weeks ago I saw Sporty's advert for a combo kneeboard and Ipad case. http://sportys.com/PilotShop/product/15935?utm_source=PilotShop&utm_mediu m=email&utm_content=Sporty%27siPadKneeboard&utm_campaign=A10114B What made this one unique is that it has an adjustable 'tilt' to allow you to position the ipad at an angle, which I believe is an essential requirement. They were back ordered, and it arrived a few days ago. I got out to the airport today anxious to give it a try. LIKEY: It is a good quality cushioned canvas Ipad case/holder. That provides good protection. The TILT capability allows for 4 different angles Some extra pockets, but I really don't know what I'd put in them, as the goal w/ the IPAD is to put as much paper on it as possible. NO LIKEY: They built some padded 'ridges' into the backside that rests on your knee, to help 'balance" the flat surface on your curved knee. They are of margina l value IMO and don't really do much to keep the kneeboard "centered". The attachment that attaches the IPAD to the kneeboard does NOT pivot so yo u are limited to a portrait only view. But the BIGGEST problem I have with it is that It just TOO BIG, the cover i s like a book cover that opens with the spline on the right, the top and bottom are about 3/4" of an inch larger than the IPAD itself. When the cove r is open and the 'kneeboard is strapped to your leg, the cover just hangs down "vertically". In my plane it interferres with the center console/tunnel and obscures the throttle and prop control. I headed to a nearby airport for some T&G's, but there is just no way that you can safely fly the airplane with this strapped to you knee (at least in my configuration). Conclusion: this won't work for me, I'm still looking/conjurin about a more compact kneeboard that has the TILT built in and also allows for a pivot, but doesn't' have the 'FLAP' on the side. -- Please Support Your Lists This Month -- tion link below to find out more about m">www.aeroelectric.com * HomebuiltHELP www.homebuilthelp.com w.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ==================== , ?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - ------------------------------ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.117 ------------------------------ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:32:36 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Sporty's Ipad Kneeboard PIREP From: "rv10flyer" I like the idea of mounting it to the top or side of the tunnel. I plan on getting one after finished with the plane. I was planning on building an armrest/storage compartment on top between seats so will need to incorporate something like that too. For those that are flying would this be a good idea/location? -------- Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08 Bldr# 40983 SB Fuselage 9/21/10- Sec 32 Tailcone Attach Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323046#323046 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:45:58 AM PST US From: Deems Davis Subject: Re: RV10-List: Sporty's Ipad Kneeboard PIREP ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:48:15 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: iPad GPS From: "lbgjb10" how about a priep in silver tube at 35k with aisle seat!!! Tom, would love to see the unit sometime. larry -------- Larry and Gayle N104LG Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323064#323064 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:54:32 AM PST US From: Deems Davis Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Sporty's Ipad Kneeboard PIREP IMO , you could mount it along side of the tunnel on the co-pilot side, but only if you don't have someone sitting in that seat most of the time. If you did I believe it would interfere with their space. I don't believe that mounting it on the pilot side will allow access to TPM, and allow stick movement. I have a center armrest console, ( and like it) but I don't think that even without it that it would be a good place to mount the Ipad. A lot of the utility of the ipad for us is in it's being portable, once you're at your destination, We get as much or more use from it on the ground as in the air. I'm just not convinced that a hard cockpit mounting makes sense. Deems On 12/12/2010 8:30 AM, rv10flyer wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "rv10flyer" > > I like the idea of mounting it to the top or side of the tunnel. I plan on getting one after finished with the plane. I was planning on building an armrest/storage compartment on top between seats so will need to incorporate something like that too. For those that are flying would this be a good idea/location? > > -------- > Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08 > Bldr# 40983 SB > Fuselage 9/21/10- Sec 32 Tailcone Attach > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323046#323046 > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:34:38 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Sporty's Ipad Kneeboard PIREP From: Tim Olson Considering that ultimately you're trying to replace paper, and that said pa per also isn't mounted, I don't see it as a big loss to have to hand hold th e iPad. Keeps it very portable...and able to be passed around. I find that a normal standard kneeboard (aluminum in my case) is even big enough to int erfere with the stick, although it is workable for me. I don't think person ally that any hard mount for the iPad is for me. Personal reference. Rear s eat headrest mount might be nice for entertainment though. Tim On Dec 12, 2010, at 10:51 AM, Deems Davis wrote: > IMO , you could mount it along side of the tunnel on the co-pilot side, bu t only if you don't have someone sitting in that seat most of the time. If y ou did I believe it would interfere with their space. I don't believe t hat mounting it on the pilot side will allow access to TPM, and allow stick m ovement. I have a center armrest console, ( and like it) but I don't think t hat even without it that it would be a good place to mount the Ipad. > A lot of the utility of the ipad for us is in it's being portable, once yo u're at your destination, We get as much or more use from it on the ground a s in the air. I'm just not convinced that a hard cockpit mounting makes sens e. > > Deems > > On 12/12/2010 8:30 AM, rv10flyer wrote: >> >> >> I like the idea of mounting it to the top or side of the tunnel. I plan o n getting one after finished with the plane. I was planning on building an a rmrest/storage compartment on top between seats so will need to incorporate s omething like that too. For those that are flying would this be a good idea/ location? >> >> -------- >> Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08 >> Bldr# 40983 SB >> Fuselage 9/21/10- Sec 32 Tailcone Attach >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323046#323046 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:00:33 AM PST US From: Miller John Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Sporty's Ipad Kneeboard PIREP Here are 3 pics of mine mounted with removable arm from cabin top bar. No snide comments about which side I fly from! grumpy On Dec 12, 2010, at 9:30 AM, rv10flyer wrote: > > > > I like the idea of mounting it to the top or side of the tunnel. I > plan on getting one after finished with the plane. I was planning on > building an armrest/storage compartment on top between seats so will > need to incorporate something like that too. For those that are > flying would this be a good idea/location? > > -------- > Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08 > Bldr# 40983 SB > Fuselage 9/21/10- Sec 32 Tailcone Attach > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323046#323046 > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:18:17 PM PST US From: "Pascal" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Sporty's Ipad Kneeboard PIREP common helo location. I too would prefer to fly on the right side, I can do both at this point since it all looks the same in the front. Pascal -------------------------------------------------- From: "Miller John" Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 9:55 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Sporty's Ipad Kneeboard PIREP > Here are 3 pics of mine mounted with removable arm from cabin top bar. > > No snide comments about which side I fly from! > > grumpy > > > > On Dec 12, 2010, at 9:30 AM, rv10flyer wrote: > >> > >> >> I like the idea of mounting it to the top or side of the tunnel. I >> plan on getting one after finished with the plane. I was planning on >> building an armrest/storage compartment on top between seats so will >> need to incorporate something like that too. For those that are >> flying would this be a good idea/location? >> >> -------- >> Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08 >> Bldr# 40983 SB >> Fuselage 9/21/10- Sec 32 Tailcone Attach >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323046#323046 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:25:58 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Sporty's Ipad Kneeboard PIREP From: Jesse Saint I agree completely. I don't think iPad will replace my paper notepad on my k neeboard. Portable & versatile is key for me. Jesse Saint I-TEC, Inc. jesse@itecusa.org www.itecusa.org www.mavericklsa.com C: 352-427-0285 O: 352-465-4545 F: 815-377-3694 Sent from my iPhone On Dec 12, 2010, at 12:31 PM, Tim Olson wrote: > Considering that ultimately you're trying to replace paper, and that said p aper also isn't mounted, I don't see it as a big loss to have to hand hold t he iPad. Keeps it very portable...and able to be passed around. I find tha t a normal standard kneeboard (aluminum in my case) is even big enough to in terfere with the stick, although it is workable for me. I don't think perso nally that any hard mount for the iPad is for me. Personal reference. Rear seat headrest mount might be nice for entertainment though. > Tim > > > > On Dec 12, 2010, at 10:51 AM, Deems Davis wrote: > >> IMO , you could mount it along side of the tunnel on the co-pilot side, b ut only if you don't have someone sitting in that seat most of the time. If y ou did I believe it would interfere with their space. I don't believe that m ounting it on the pilot side will allow access to TPM, and allow stick movem ent. I have a center armrest console, ( and like it) but I don't think that e ven without it that it would be a good place to mount the Ipad. >> A lot of the utility of the ipad for us is in it's being portable, once y ou're at your destination, We get as much or more use from it on the ground a s in the air. I'm just not convinced that a hard cockpit mounting makes sens e. >> >> Deems >> >> On 12/12/2010 8:30 AM, rv10flyer wrote: >>> >>> >>> I like the idea of mounting it to the top or side of the tunnel. I plan o n getting one after finished with the plane. I was planning on building an a rmrest/storage compartment on top between seats so will need to incorporate s omething like that too. For those that are flying would this be a good idea/ location? >>> >>> -------- >>> Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08 >>> Bldr# 40983 SB >>> Fuselage 9/21/10- Sec 32 Tailcone Attach >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323046#323046 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:42:40 PM PST US From: Miller John Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Sporty's Ipad Kneeboard PIREP Helo - No! Fighters - Yes! grumpy do not archive On Dec 12, 2010, at 3:14 PM, Pascal wrote: > > common helo location. I too would prefer to fly on the right side, I > can do both at this point since it all looks the same in the front. > Pascal > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Miller John" > Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 9:55 AM > To: > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Sporty's Ipad Kneeboard PIREP > >> Here are 3 pics of mine mounted with removable arm from cabin top >> bar. >> >> No snide comments about which side I fly from! >> >> grumpy >> >> > > >> >> On Dec 12, 2010, at 9:30 AM, rv10flyer wrote: >> >>> > >>> >>> I like the idea of mounting it to the top or side of the tunnel. I >>> plan on getting one after finished with the plane. I was planning on >>> building an armrest/storage compartment on top between seats so will >>> need to incorporate something like that too. For those that are >>> flying would this be a good idea/location? >>> >>> -------- >>> Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08 >>> Bldr# 40983 SB >>> Fuselage 9/21/10- Sec 32 Tailcone Attach >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323046#323046 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:51:47 PM PST US From: "Les Kearney" Subject: RV10-List: Elevator Adjustment Hi Today I finished fitting my empennage (love that word!) to the tail. Per the plans I checked the elevator travel up and down. The up travel is 28.5 degrees versus the 30 degrees required. This will require filing of the F1012D elevator stop and should be no problem. The down travel however is on 22 degrees versus the required 25. This I am not sure how top correct as the limitation is where the forward push rod connects to the F635 elevator bellcrank located just aft of the baggage area in the tail. As the forward rod travels aft, the F635 contacts the end of the control tube and stops any further movement. The elevator horn still has room to move so that is not and won't be a problem. The only solution I can think of would be to shift the F1090 control forward by screwing the froward rod end deeper into the tube and the aft rod end out. My only concern would be the amount of thread left engaged by the aft rod end. Has anyone else had this problem and if so how did you deal with it. Inquiring minds need to know. Cheers Les #40643 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:18:21 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Elevator Adjustment From: Jim Combs Les, I had to quite a bit of adjusting to ALL the control rod ends in the elevator system to get things to not hit (Other than the elevator stops). Do you have the tail cone attached to the cabin section? I think I spend a couple of hours getting everything just right. There are two bell cranks and the control arm at the front to deal with. Jim C N312F (200 Hours) Do Not Archive On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 7:48 PM, Les Kearney wrote: > Hi > > Today I finished fitting my empennage (love that word!) to the tail. Per > the plans I checked the elevator travel up and down. The up travel is 28. 5 > degrees versus the 30 degrees required. This will require filing of the > F1012D elevator stop and should be no problem. > > The down travel however is on 22 degrees versus the required 25. This I a m > not sure how top correct as the limitation is where the forward push rod > connects to the F635 elevator bellcrank located just aft of the baggage a rea > in the tail. As the forward rod travels aft, the F635 contacts the end of > the control tube and stops any further movement. The elevator horn still has > room to move so that is not and won't be a problem. > > The only solution I can think of would be to shift the F1090 control > forward by screwing the froward rod end deeper into the tube and the aft rod > end out. My only concern would be the amount of thread left engaged by th e > aft rod end. > > Has anyone else had this problem and if so how did you deal with it. > > Inquiring minds need to know=85 > > Cheers > > Les > #40643 > > * > =========== =========== =========== ============* > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:28:31 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Elevator Adjustment From: "Bob Turner" Certainly having the bellcrank hit the push tube, and limiting travel, is not right. The limit should be at the rudder horn. Have you peeked ahead to the section on rigging, to make sure that when the elevator is neutral, the bell crank is at the proper angle? To answer your question, I've been told the minimum engagement depth for a rod end is 1.5 times the diameter of the threaded end. You need to either safety wire the rod end so it can't back out; or make certain that if you rotate the push tube the other rod end will come tight (all the way in) before this rod end falls out (or I should say comes to less than 1.5 times its diameter of falling out). -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323119#323119 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:56:00 PM PST US From: David Leikam Subject: Re: RV10-List: Elevator Adjustment Hi Les, If you check section 5, you will find a max and min range for the travel. I don't have my plans with me but I think you are within the acceptable limits. I experienced the same issue until a friend told me to check section 5. Dave Leikam. On Dec 12, 2010, at 6:48 PM, Les Kearney wrote: > Hi > > Today I finished fitting my empennage (love that word!) to the tail. Per the plans I checked the elevator travel up and down. The up travel is 28.5 degrees versus the 30 degrees required. This will require filing of the F1012D elevator stop and should be no problem. > > The down travel however is on 22 degrees versus the required 25. This I am not sure how top correct as the limitation is where the forward push rod connects to the F635 elevator bellcrank located just aft of the baggage area in the tail. As the forward rod travels aft, the F635 contacts the end of the control tube and stops any further movement. The elevator horn still has room to move so that is not and won't be a problem. > > The only solution I can think of would be to shift the F1090 control forward by screwing the froward rod end deeper into the tube and the aft rod end out. My only concern would be the amount of thread left engaged by the aft rod end. > > Has anyone else had this problem and if so how did you deal with it. > > Inquiring minds need to know=85 > > Cheers > > Les > #40643 > > > David Leikam RV10 N89DA ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:11:48 PM PST US From: Kelly McMullen Subject: Re: RV10-List: Elevator Adjustment Put out the APB. Les has escaped the fiberglass prison. We need him back. :-P On 12/12/2010 5:48 PM, Les Kearney wrote: > > Hi > > Today I finished fitting my empennage (love that word!) to the tail. > Per the plans I checked the elevator travel up and down. > > Cheers > > Les > #40643 > > * ===================================================== > * ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:16:19 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Elevator Adjustment From: Jesse Saint I seem to remember this as well. I think you have a little more flexibility on the nose-down elevator. Do not archive Jesse Saint I-TEC, Inc. jesse@itecusa.org www.itecusa.org www.mavericklsa.com C: 352-427-0285 O: 352-465-4545 F: 815-377-3694 Sent from my iPhone On Dec 12, 2010, at 8:52 PM, David Leikam wrote: > Hi Les, > If you check section 5, you will find a max and min range for the travel. I don't have my plans with me but I think you are within the acceptable lim its. I experienced the same issue until a friend told me to check section 5 .. > > Dave Leikam. > > On Dec 12, 2010, at 6:48 PM, Les Kearney wrote: > >> Hi >> >> Today I finished fitting my empennage (love that word!) to the tail. Per t he plans I checked the elevator travel up and down. The up travel is 28.5 de grees versus the 30 degrees required. This will require filing of the F1012D elevator stop and should be no problem. >> >> The down travel however is on 22 degrees versus the required 25. This I a m not sure how top correct as the limitation is where the forward push rod c onnects to the F635 elevator bellcrank located just aft of the baggage area i n the tail. As the forward rod travels aft, the F635 contacts the end of the control tube and stops any further movement. The elevator horn still has ro om to move so that is not and won't be a problem. >> >> The only solution I can think of would be to shift the F1090 control forw ard by screwing the froward rod end deeper into the tube and the aft rod end out. My only concern would be the amount of thread left engaged by the aft r od end. >> >> Has anyone else had this problem and if so how did you deal with it. >> >> Inquiring minds need to know >> >> Cheers >> >> Les >> #40643 >> >> >> >> href="http://www.aeroelectric.com/">www.aeroelectric.com >> href="http://www.buildersbooks.com/">www.buildersbooks.com >> href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com/">www.homebuilthelp.com >> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ontribution >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?RV10-List >> href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com > > David Leikam > RV10 > N89DA > > > > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:39:24 PM PST US From: "Les Kearney" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Elevator Adjustment Jim My empennage (there's that word again!), spent about 2 1/2 years hanging from my garage ceiling since being built. Over the past few months I have moved to a hanger, attached the tail cone and have just attached the stabs and elevators / rudder. This was the first time any of these components have been attached. Using the 91.4 degree template, I first adjusted the front two control rods so the bell crank was aligned correctly. After attaching the elevators, I adjusted the rear control arm. As it sits now, the control tube lengths are spot on perfect. The more I think about it and based on the comments received, I need to shift the middle control tube forward so it does not touch the bell crank when the tail is fully down. This should bring the elevator control arm into contact with the forward elevator stop and also give me a few degrees more travel. Cheers Les _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Combs Sent: December-12-10 6:15 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Elevator Adjustment Les, I had to quite a bit of adjusting to ALL the control rod ends in the elevator system to get things to not hit (Other than the elevator stops). Do you have the tail cone attached to the cabin section? I think I spend a couple of hours getting everything just right. There are two bell cranks and the control arm at the front to deal with. Jim C N312F (200 Hours) Do Not Archive On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 7:48 PM, Les Kearney wrote: Hi Today I finished fitting my empennage (love that word!) to the tail. Per the plans I checked the elevator travel up and down. The up travel is 28.5 degrees versus the 30 degrees required. This will require filing of the F1012D elevator stop and should be no problem. The down travel however is on 22 degrees versus the required 25. This I am not sure how top correct as the limitation is where the forward push rod connects to the F635 elevator bellcrank located just aft of the baggage area in the tail. As the forward rod travels aft, the F635 contacts the end of the control tube and stops any further movement. The elevator horn still has room to move so that is not and won't be a problem. The only solution I can think of would be to shift the F1090 control forward by screwing the froward rod end deeper into the tube and the aft rod end out. My only concern would be the amount of thread left engaged by the aft rod end. Has anyone else had this problem and if so how did you deal with it. Inquiring minds need to know. Cheers Les #40643 _blank">www.aeroelectric.com .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List tp://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:39:52 PM PST US From: "Les Kearney" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Elevator Adjustment Hi Dave I checked my section 5 and didn't find anything related to elevator travel. That being said, I still need to deal with the bell crank being the limiting factor. I agree with Bob Turner's comments in this regard. If the 28.5 degree up travel is okay, I will avoid filing the elevator stop. I still have about 1/4" clearance on the front stop so I should be able to get the missing 3 degress of down travel. I just hope I can adjust the rod ends enough to make this happen. Cheers Les _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Leikam Sent: December-12-10 6:52 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Elevator Adjustment Hi Les, If you check section 5, you will find a max and min range for the travel. I don't have my plans with me but I think you are within the acceptable limits. I experienced the same issue until a friend told me to check section 5. Dave Leikam. On Dec 12, 2010, at 6:48 PM, Les Kearney wrote: Hi Today I finished fitting my empennage (love that word!) to the tail. Per the plans I checked the elevator travel up and down. The up travel is 28.5 degrees versus the 30 degrees required. This will require filing of the F1012D elevator stop and should be no problem. The down travel however is on 22 degrees versus the required 25. This I am not sure how top correct as the limitation is where the forward push rod connects to the F635 elevator bellcrank located just aft of the baggage area in the tail. As the forward rod travels aft, the F635 contacts the end of the control tube and stops any further movement. The elevator horn still has room to move so that is not and won't be a problem. The only solution I can think of would be to shift the F1090 control forward by screwing the froward rod end deeper into the tube and the aft rod end out. My only concern would be the amount of thread left engaged by the aft rod end. Has anyone else had this problem and if so how did you deal with it. Inquiring minds need to know. Cheers Les #40643 href="http://www.aeroelectric.com/">www.aeroelectric.com href="http://www.buildersbooks.com/">www.buildersbooks.com href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com/">www.homebuilthelp.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contri bution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?RV10-List href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com David Leikam RV10 N89DA ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:42:48 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Elevator Adjustment From: Rob Kochman Relevant section of the doc attached. As an aside, I found out about this doc only a few weeks ago. Apparently I didn't get it and the W&B doc in whatever kit they usually come in. -Rob On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Jesse Saint wrote : > I seem to remember this as well. I think you have a little more > flexibility on the nose-down elevator. > > Do not archive > > Jesse Saint > I-TEC, Inc. > jesse@itecusa.org > www.itecusa.org > www.mavericklsa.com > C: 352-427-0285 > O: 352-465-4545 > F: 815-377-3694 > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 12, 2010, at 8:52 PM, David Leikam wrote: > > Hi Les, > If you check section 5, you will find a max and min range for the travel. > I don't have my plans with me but I think you are within the acceptable > limits. I experienced the same issue until a friend told me to check > section 5. > > Dave Leikam. > > On Dec 12, 2010, at 6:48 PM, Les Kearney wrote: > > Hi > > Today I finished fitting my empennage (love that word!) to the tail. Per > the plans I checked the elevator travel up and down. The up travel is 28. 5 > degrees versus the 30 degrees required. This will require filing of the > F1012D elevator stop and should be no problem. > > The down travel however is on 22 degrees versus the required 25. This I a m > not sure how top correct as the limitation is where the forward push rod > connects to the F635 elevator bellcrank located just aft of the baggage a rea > in the tail. As the forward rod travels aft, the F635 contacts the end of > the control tube and stops any further movement. The elevator horn still has > room to move so that is not and won't be a problem. > > The only solution I can think of would be to shift the F1090 control > forward by screwing the froward rod end deeper into the tube and the aft rod > end out. My only concern would be the amount of thread left engaged by th e > aft rod end. > > Has anyone else had this problem and if so how did you deal with it. > > Inquiring minds need to know=85 > > Cheers > > Les > #40643 > > * > > href="http://www.aeroelectric.com/">www.aeroelectric.com > href="http://www.buildersbooks.com/">www.buildersbooks.com > href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com/">www.homebuilthelp.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ontribution > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?RV10-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com* > > > David Leikam > RV10 > N89DA > > > * > > ======================== > http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com > > >www.buildersbooks.com > > "http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribut ion > > ======================== > ref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics .com/Navigator?RV10-List > ======================== > ums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > ======================== ===========* > > * > =========== =========== =========== ============* > > -- Rob Kochman RV-10 "Finishing" Kit Woodinville, WA (near Seattle) http://kochman.net/N819K ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 08:05:20 PM PST US From: "Les Kearney" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Elevator Adjustment Kelly I am on day parole. I still have lots of F/G to do but needed to visit some AL tools for a while. Cheers Les Do not archive _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen Sent: December-12-10 8:06 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Elevator Adjustment Put out the APB. Les has escaped the fiberglass prison. We need him back. :-P On 12/12/2010 5:48 PM, Les Kearney wrote: Hi Today I finished fitting my empennage (love that word!) to the tail. Per the plans I checked the elevator travel up and down. Cheers Les #40643 ===================================================== ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 08:26:34 PM PST US From: "Les Kearney" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Elevator Adjustment Rob Many thanks. I am well within the limts which is good to know. I will call Van's tomorrow and ask about the WB docs as well (as I didn't get them either). Cheers Les _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Kochman Sent: December-12-10 8:38 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Elevator Adjustment Relevant section of the doc attached. As an aside, I found out about this doc only a few weeks ago. Apparently I didn't get it and the W&B doc in whatever kit they usually come in. -Rob On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Jesse Saint wrote: I seem to remember this as well. I think you have a little more flexibility on the nose-down elevator. Do not archive Jesse Saint I-TEC, Inc. jesse@itecusa.org www.itecusa.org www.mavericklsa.com C: 352-427-0285 O: 352-465-4545 F: 815-377-3694 Sent from my iPhone On Dec 12, 2010, at 8:52 PM, David Leikam wrote: Hi Les, If you check section 5, you will find a max and min range for the travel. I don't have my plans with me but I think you are within the acceptable limits. I experienced the same issue until a friend told me to check section 5. Dave Leikam. On Dec 12, 2010, at 6:48 PM, Les Kearney wrote: Hi Today I finished fitting my empennage (love that word!) to the tail. Per the plans I checked the elevator travel up and down. The up travel is 28.5 degrees versus the 30 degrees required. This will require filing of the F1012D elevator stop and should be no problem. The down travel however is on 22 degrees versus the required 25. This I am not sure how top correct as the limitation is where the forward push rod connects to the F635 elevator bellcrank located just aft of the baggage area in the tail. As the forward rod travels aft, the F635 contacts the end of the control tube and stops any further movement. The elevator horn still has room to move so that is not and won't be a problem. The only solution I can think of would be to shift the F1090 control forward by screwing the froward rod end deeper into the tube and the aft rod end out. My only concern would be the amount of thread left engaged by the aft rod end. Has anyone else had this problem and if so how did you deal with it. Inquiring minds need to know. 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