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     1. 08:44 AM - Stall horn (Billy & Tami Britton)
     2. 09:44 AM - Re: Stall horn (Jesse Saint)
     3. 09:57 AM - Re: Stall horn (Carl Froehlich)
     4. 01:26 PM - 12 V ACTUATOR RV-10 (Gordon Anderson)
     5. 01:34 PM - Re: 12 V ACTUATOR RV-10 (Phillip Perry)
     6. 01:38 PM - Re: 12 V ACTUATOR RV-10 (Werner Schneider)
     7. 01:38 PM - 12 V ACTUATOR RV-10 (John MacCallum)
     8. 01:55 PM - Re: 12 V ACTUATOR RV-10 (Sean Stephens)
     9. 02:21 PM - FlightPrep Lawsuit (Bobby J. Hughes)
    10. 02:49 PM - Re: FlightPrep Lawsuit (Tim Olson)
    11. 03:45 PM - Re: FlightPrep Lawsuit (John Cox)
    12. 09:56 PM - Re: 12 V ACTUATOR RV-10 (Gordon Anderson)
 
 
 
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      On page 17-3 before we rivet the outboard leading edges together we are 
      asked to go to page 19-2 to install the stall horn access and modify the 
      splice rib.  Is it OK to go ahead onto page 19-3 and install the stall 
      horn instead of coming back after the tanks are finished and do this.  
      The instructions only have us modify the skin for the access cover and 
      modify the splice ribs before we rivet the leading edges together.  Sure 
      looks like it would be a lot easier to install the stall horn 
      now--before we rivet the leading edge all together.  The only drawback I 
      see is the little flapper sticking out the front of the skin to catch on 
      things.
      
      Thanks,
      Bill
      
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      I recommend installing the stall vane once to make sure it fits & nutplates a
      re good, then remove it & pack away for installation on finished plane.  Ver
      y easy to bend accidentally.
      
      Jesse Saint
      I-TEC, Inc.
      jesse@itecusa.org
      www.itecusa.org
      www.mavericklsa.com
      C: 352-427-0285
      O: 352-465-4545
      F: 815-377-3694
      
      Sent from my iPhone
      
      On Dec 17, 2010, at 11:23 AM, "Billy & Tami Britton" <william@gbta.net> wrot
      e:
      
      > On page 17-3 before we rivet the outboard leading edges together we are as
      ked to go to page 19-2 to install the stall horn access and modify the splic
      e rib.  Is it OK to go ahead onto page 19-3 and install the stall horn inste
      ad of coming back after the tanks are finished and do this.  The instruction
      s only have us modify the skin for the access cover and modify the splice ri
      bs before we rivet the leading edges together.  Sure looks like it would be a
       lot easier to install the stall horn now--before we rivet the leading edge a
      ll together.  The only drawback I see is the little flapper sticking out the
       front of the skin to catch on things.
      >  
      > Thanks,
      > Bill
      > 
      > 
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      A couple of thoughts.
      
      
      Assuming you do a tank flush/leak check, you will remove the tanks from the
      wings at least one more time.  This provides opportunity to install the
      stall horn sender later.  I would also check to see if the sender would
      interfere with bucking the skin rivets or not.
      
      
      I fabricated the stall horn sender but have decided not to use it.  Instead
      I'll rely on the AOA indication on the Skyview EFIS.  I don't have a Stall
      horn or AOA in the 8A and find the inherent stall indications to be more
      than adequate.  I do however note that the 10 may benefit from a stall horn
      or an AOA.
      
      
      Carl
      
      
      From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Billy & Tami
      Britton
      Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 11:23 AM
      Subject: RV10-List: Stall horn
      
      
      On page 17-3 before we rivet the outboard leading edges together we are
      asked to go to page 19-2 to install the stall horn access and modify the
      splice rib.  Is it OK to go ahead onto page 19-3 and install the stall horn
      instead of coming back after the tanks are finished and do this.  The
      instructions only have us modify the skin for the access cover and modify
      the splice ribs before we rivet the leading edges together.  Sure looks like
      it would be a lot easier to install the stall horn now--before we rivet the
      leading edge all together.  The only drawback I see is the little flapper
      sticking out the front of the skin to catch on things.
      
      
      Thanks,
      
      Bill
      
      
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| Subject:  | 12 V ACTUATOR RV-10 | 
      
      
      Hi Folks,
      
      I'm just checking through the contents of the QB & Finishing kits prior to
      ordering.  Can anyone identify for me the  "12 V ACTUATOR RV-10"  part
      number ES 85615-10.
      
      Is there a fuel pump included in the QB kit?  Is this it?
      
      Thanks!
      
      Gordon Anderson
      Switzerland #41015
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: 12 V ACTUATOR RV-10 | 
      
      That is the flap actuator.
      
      The fuel pump and filter assemblies are something you'll have to purchase on
      your own.
      
      Phil
      
      
      On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 3:20 PM, Gordon Anderson <mregoan@hispeed.ch> wrote:
      
      >
      > Hi Folks,
      >
      > I'm just checking through the contents of the QB & Finishing kits prior to
      > ordering.  Can anyone identify for me the  "12 V ACTUATOR RV-10"  part
      > number ES 85615-10.
      >
      > Is there a fuel pump included in the QB kit?  Is this it?
      >
      > Thanks!
      >
      > Gordon Anderson
      > Switzerland #41015
      >
      >
      
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| Subject:  | Re: 12 V ACTUATOR RV-10 | 
      
      
      Google is your best friend:
      
      <http://www.google.com/search?q=ES+85615-10&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a>
      
      it is the flap actuator :)
      
      Cheers
      
      Werner
      
      On 17.12.2010 22:20, Gordon Anderson wrote:
      > ES 85615-10
      
      
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| Subject:  | 12 V ACTUATOR RV-10 | 
      
      
      No there is no Fuel Pump or fuel filter. That Actuator is most likely the
      Flap motor.
      
      Cheers
      
      John MacCallum
      QB 41016
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gordon Anderson
      Sent: Saturday, 18 December 2010 8:20 AM
      Subject: RV10-List: 12 V ACTUATOR RV-10
      
      
      Hi Folks,
      
      I'm just checking through the contents of the QB & Finishing kits prior to
      ordering.  Can anyone identify for me the  "12 V ACTUATOR RV-10"  part
      number ES 85615-10.
      
      Is there a fuel pump included in the QB kit?  Is this it?
      
      Thanks!
      
      Gordon Anderson
      Switzerland #41015
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: 12 V ACTUATOR RV-10 | 
      
      
      Or better yet, so he doesn't even have to type it...
      
      http://googleitfor.me/?q=ES+85615-10+
      
      -Sean #40303 (Stuck in Section 29 finish-up hell)
      
      DO NOT ARCHIVE
      
      On 12/17/10 3:35 PM, Werner Schneider wrote:
      >
      > Google is your best friend:
      >
      > <http://www.google.com/search?q=ES+85615-10&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a> 
      >
      >
      > it is the flap actuator :)
      >
      > Cheers
      >
      > Werner
      >
      > On 17.12.2010 22:20, Gordon Anderson wrote:
      >> ES 85615-10
      >
      >
      
      
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| Subject:  | FlightPrep Lawsuit | 
      
      I find this totally insane. Flightprep is suing runwayfinder.com for
      $3.2M per month. Runwayfinder is a free site and has been online for
      several years. I think Foreflight may use runwayfinder for some of their
      charts etc. 
      http://blog.runwayfinder.com/2010/12/09/runwayfinder-going-offline/
      
      http://flightaware.com/squawks/view/1/7_days/popular_new/7058/FlightPrep
      _Patents_Online_Flight_Planning_Starts_Shaking_Down_Everyone
      
      
      Bobby Hughes
      N416AS
      
      Do not archive
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: FlightPrep Lawsuit | 
      
      
      Agreed. If anything, it's funny, because seeing a company act
      like that makes ME at least inclined to NOT want to do any
      business with them at all. I used to actually like flight
      prep's free planner, and I bought and used their EFB for a
      while too, before I got Voyager. They hosed me so bad for
      renewal on charts that I jumped ship. But, I still thought
      they were OK.  But after seeing how they are doing this,
      I think it's time to spread the word who NOT to go with
      for charts.  Who wants another monopoly?...not me.
      
      They came to the fee by looking at the total number of hits
      to their web site in a month, and multiplying it by
      the cost of their annual subscription, or something like
      that.  We all know that website hits aren't a real
      indicator. I have been to the site (runwayfinder.com) from
      time to time just to see an airport on a sectional quick.
      I had many other options for looking it up, but
      runwayfinder was quick.  Not worth a planning subscription
      over though.
      
      Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
      do not archive
      
      
      On 12/17/2010 4:17 PM, Bobby J. Hughes wrote:
      > I find this totally insane. Flightprep is suing runwayfinder.com for
      > $3.2M per month. Runwayfinder is a free site and has been online for
      > several years. I think Foreflight may use runwayfinder for some of their
      > charts etc.
      > http://blog.runwayfinder.com/2010/12/09/runwayfinder-going-offline/
      > http://flightaware.com/squawks/view/1/7_days/popular_new/7058/FlightPrep_Patents_Online_Flight_Planning_Starts_Shaking_Down_Everyone
      > Bobby Hughes
      > N416AS
      > Do not archive
      >
      
      
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| Subject:  | FlightPrep Lawsuit | 
      
      Roger Stenbock is a member of our aviation club.  He was/is/and will remain
       ego-maniacal.  After we built our clubhouse in 1995 and the access road to
       it, he proceeded to name it for himself at the county Airport.  Every week
       I have to drive Stenbock Way at Aurora State.
      
      His greed has not helped GA.  Good people and products have been harmed.  L
      et me apologize to every that he remains a member of Columbia Aviation Asso
      ciation founded in 1949.
      
      John Cox
      
      
      From: Tim Olson
      Sent: Fri 12/17/2010 2:45 PM
      Subject: Re: RV10-List: FlightPrep Lawsuit
      
      
      
      Agreed. If anything, it's funny, because seeing a company act
      like that makes ME at least inclined to NOT want to do any
      business with them at all. I used to actually like flight
      prep's free planner, and I bought and used their EFB for a
      while too, before I got Voyager. They hosed me so bad for
      renewal on charts that I jumped ship. But, I still thought
      they were OK.  But after seeing how they are doing this,
      I think it's time to spread the word who NOT to go with
      for charts.  Who wants another monopoly?...not me.
      
      They came to the fee by looking at the total number of hits
      to their web site in a month, and multiplying it by
      the cost of their annual subscription, or something like
      that.  We all know that website hits aren't a real
      indicator. I have been to the site (runwayfinder.com) from
      time to time just to see an airport on a sectional quick.
      I had many other options for looking it up, but
      runwayfinder was quick.  Not worth a planning subscription
      over though.
      
      Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
      do not archive
      
      
      On 12/17/2010 4:17 PM, Bobby J. Hughes wrote:
      > I find this totally insane. Flightprep is suing runwayfinder.com for
      > $3.2M per month. Runwayfinder is a free site and has been online for
      > several years. I think Foreflight may use runwayfinder for some of their
      > charts etc.
      > http://blog.runwayfinder.com/2010/12/09/runwayfinder-going-offline/
      > http://flightaware.com/squawks/view/1/7_days/popular_new/7058/FlightPrep_
      Patents_Online_Flight_Planning_Starts_Shaking_Down_Everyone
      > Bobby Hughes
      > N416AS
      > Do not archive
      >
      
      
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| Subject:  | 12 V ACTUATOR RV-10 | 
      
      
      Thanks for all the replies...and to Bob Leffler for another great build log!
      
      Gordon Anderson
      
      Do not archive
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens
      Sent: 17 December 2010 22:53
      Subject: Re: RV10-List: 12 V ACTUATOR RV-10
      
      
      Or better yet, so he doesn't even have to type it...
      
      http://googleitfor.me/?q=ES+85615-10+
      
      -Sean #40303 (Stuck in Section 29 finish-up hell)
      
      DO NOT ARCHIVE
      
      On 12/17/10 3:35 PM, Werner Schneider wrote:
      >
      > Google is your best friend:
      >
      >
      <http://www.google.com/search?q=ES+85615-10&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.m
      ozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a> 
      >
      >
      > it is the flap actuator :)
      >
      > Cheers
      >
      > Werner
      >
      > On 17.12.2010 22:20, Gordon Anderson wrote:
      >> ES 85615-10
      >
      >
      
      
 
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