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Sun 12/19/10


Total Messages Posted: 10



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     1. 07:22 AM - Re: Re: infinity grips (Bruce Johnson)
     2. 09:35 AM - F1028 blocking a/c (Robert Brunkenhoefer)
     3. 10:02 AM - Re: F1028 blocking a/c (Thane States)
     4. 10:29 AM - Re: F1028 blocking a/c (Robert Brunkenhoefer)
     5. 01:25 PM - Re: F1028 blocking a/c (Robert Brunkenhoefer)
     6. 01:26 PM - Re: F1028 blocking a/c (Robert Brunkenhoefer)
     7. 04:10 PM - Door pull handle (Wayne Williams)
     8. 06:29 PM - Re: Re: infinity grips (Jesse Saint)
     9. 06:48 PM - Re: Door pull handle (Jesse Saint)
    10. 10:00 PM - fuel sender info into GRT EIS (Bob Turner)
 
 
 


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    Time: 07:22:13 AM PST US
    From: Bruce Johnson <bruce1hwjohnson@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: infinity grips
    OK this is off subject, but I'm having a tough time of calibrating my fuel =0Aguages to the Grand Rapids. I've read and re-read GIS's instructions and I am =0Astill lost, anybody out there that can throw me a bone it would be much =0Aappreciated.=0A=0ABruce 151BJ 33hrs and counting=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A___ _____________________________=0AFrom: Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com> =0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Sat, December 18, 2010 9:54:14 PM=0A Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: infinity grips=0A=0AThese are my experiences al most exactly. =C2-A quick call to JD will get just what =0Ayou want, the way you want. =C2-I also recommend using the supplied wire at least =0Ato underneath the front seats. =C2-If you aren't using the VP system, then JD's =0Atrim relay board is a great way to wire up your trims, IMHO. =C2- I often buy a =0Acouple of other buttons from him for simple things on the panel as well (ie, =0Aautopilot source switch, acknowledge buttons, etc.), so it might make sense to =0Athink through other things that you may want b efore calling. =C2-The order form on =0Athe website does work, if you can find it. =C2-It takes a little while to wade =0Athrough the huge fonts a nd colors to actually find the order form link, but it =0Ais there. =C2-I t does explain itself moderately well, but again, a call will =0Adefinitely work. =C2-JD is very knowledgeable. =0A=0A=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0AJess e Saint=0ASaint Aviation, Inc.=0Ajesse@saintaviation.com=0AC: 352-427-0285 =0AF: 815-377-3694 =0A=0AOn Dec 18, 2010, at 11:25 AM, Robin Marks wrote: =0A=0AThe infinity Grip site is a confusing mess. Calling Infinity when I o rdered my =0Agrips for the RV-4, RV-6A RV-10 and most recently my 8A was th e exact same song =0A& grumbling dance. "Did you see the order form on the website" "Yes but it was =0Aconfusing and I didn=99t want to make a m istake in ordering." That is how everyone =0Aof my conversations went with JD but in each case we went through the choices & =0Aoptions and the orderi ng took about 20 minutes to get exactly what I needed. =0AJust understand w hat switch, button, toggle you want including type of switch =0A(momentary, push on/off) and of course what hand orientation your grips should =0Abe. Don=99t forget the button switches are available in different colors so decide =0Aahead of time your AP disconnect color vs. your Flip/Flop butt on color. Know =0Aahead of time the amount of wiring length you want becaus e he sells the bundled =0Awire by the foot. Once you have completed the gri p transaction be ready for the =0Ahard sell on his engine pre-oiler and a f ew other items. I thanked him for the =0Asuggestions but passed on those it ems. I think this the best & most accurate way =0Ato order these grips. In the end I get what I need and have discussed the =0Achoices with the most k nowledgeable if occasionally a touch gruff developer of =0Athe product.=0A> =C2-=0A>"Best time to call is after 1400 CA California time, and evenings , at (619) =0A>448-5103 ."=0A>=C2-=0A>A note on the wiring. His bundle of wiring in the blue sleeve has a LOT of wires =0A>in it. I think each wire has an associated ground wire. This bundle is difficult =0A>to fish through the control stick. Don=99t flake out and run the wires external to =0A>the stick. I suggest you eliminate most of the ground wires that you do n't need =0A>and fish the balance of the wires through the stick. I call my set up "hillbilly =0A>wiring" but it works well and is much cleaner than a n external wiring job. BTW I =0A>am not saying it is impossible to run the entire bundle through the stick, just =0A>very difficult. We finally learne d on the 8A the best technique.=0A>=C2-=0A><image002.jpg>=0A>=C2-=0A> =C2-=0A>-----Original Message-----=0A>From:=C2-owner-rv10-list-server@m atronics.com=C2-[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]=0A> On Beha lf Of Strasnuts=0A>Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 7:02 AM=0A>To:=C2-rv 10-list@matronics.com=0A>Subject: RV10-List: Re: infinity grips=0A>=C2- =C2-=0A>When ordering my infinity from Aircraft Spruce I ran into, "AC wi th flap/brake =0A>or AC without flap/brake."=C2- What does that mean?=C2 - I know the RV-10 doesn't have =0A>one but what am I changing in the swi tch configuration?=C2- Infinity Grip's web =0A>sight is so convoluted and scattered I would rather use Aircraft Spruce.=0A>=C2-=0A>--------=0A>Cus t. #40936=0A>RV-10 SB Fuselage=0A>N801VR reserved=0A>=C2-=0A>=C2-=0A> =C2-=0A>=C2-=0A>Read this topic online here:=0A>=C2-=0A>http://forums .matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323750#323750=0A>=C2-=0A>=C2-=0A>=C2 -=0A>=C2-=0A>=C2-=0A>=C2-=0A>=C2-=0A>=C2-=C2- (And Get Some A WESOME FREE Gifts!)vember is the Annual List Fund Raiser.=C2- =0A>Click o n =0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>="http://www.aeroelectric.com/">www.aeroelectric.coma =0A>href="http://www.buildersbooks.com/">www.buildersbooks.com =0A>=0A> =0A>=0A>www.homebuilthelp.comibution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution =0A>=0A>=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin. =0A>=0A>=0A>====== ==================0A>=0A>nd much much mor e: =0A>=0A>>=C2-http://www.map class="MsoPlainText"> =C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- - MATRONICS WEB FORU MS - =0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>>=C2-http://forums.matronics.com =0A>=0A>=0A>=C2- === =0A=0A=0A=0A


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    Time: 09:35:39 AM PST US
    Subject: F1028 blocking a/c
    From: Robert Brunkenhoefer <robertbrunk@mac.com>
    I am trying to remove a black box containing the blower fan for my flightline a/c. So I can send it to John strain to get more volume so it will cool in my hot s Texas climate . I can't get it out because this brace blocks access to the rear baggage area . What can I do to allow the access I need to remove the box? Frustrated in corpus christi. N661g 300+ in condition mode Sent from my iPhone Robert E. Brunkenhoefer Brunkenhoefer Law Firm, P.C. 606 N. Carancahua Street Suite 1200 Corpus Christi, Texas 78476 Phone: 361-888-8808 Facsimile: 361-888-6753 robert@brunklaw.com


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    Time: 10:02:13 AM PST US
    From: "Thane States" <thane2@comporium.net>
    Subject: Re: F1028 blocking a/c
    I have his system, can you slide it back off the tray and then drop it down under the tray and forward? Clearly many components will have to be removed to do this; ducting etc.!! Maybe take some measurements to see if it would fit that way?? Thane States 321BY 166hrs. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Brunkenhoefer" <robertbrunk@mac.com> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 12:29 PM Subject: RV10-List: F1028 blocking a/c > <robertbrunk@mac.com> > > I am trying to remove a black box containing the blower fan for my > flightline a/c. So I can send it to John strain to get more volume so it > will cool in my hot s Texas climate . I can't get it out because this > brace blocks access to the rear baggage area . What can I do to allow the > access I need to remove the box? Frustrated in corpus christi. N661g 300+ > in condition mode > > Sent from my iPhone > > Robert E. Brunkenhoefer > Brunkenhoefer Law Firm, P.C. > 606 N. Carancahua Street > Suite 1200 > Corpus Christi, Texas 78476 > Phone: 361-888-8808 > Facsimile: 361-888-6753 > robert@brunklaw.com > > >


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    Time: 10:29:18 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: F1028 blocking a/c
    From: Robert Brunkenhoefer <robertbrunk@mac.com>
    Great idea we will do as you suggest. What about the vertical brace that blocks the access. Sent from my iPhone Robert E. Brunkenhoefer Brunkenhoefer Law Firm, P.C. 606 N. Carancahua Street Suite 1200 Corpus Christi, Texas 78476 Phone: 361-888-8808 Facsimile: 361-888-6753 robert@brunklaw.com On Dec 19, 2010, at 11:58 AM, Thane States <thane2@comporium.net> wrote: > > I have his system, can you slide it back off the tray and then drop it down under the tray and forward? > Clearly many components will have to be removed to do this; ducting etc.!! Maybe take some measurements to see if it would fit that way?? Thane States > 321BY > 166hrs. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Brunkenhoefer" <robertbrunk@mac.com> > To: <rv10-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 12:29 PM > Subject: RV10-List: F1028 blocking a/c > > >> >> I am trying to remove a black box containing the blower fan for my flightline a/c. So I can send it to John strain to get more volume so it will cool in my hot s Texas climate . I can't get it out because this brace blocks access to the rear baggage area . What can I do to allow the access I need to remove the box? Frustrated in corpus christi. N661g 300+ in condition mode >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> Robert E. Brunkenhoefer >> Brunkenhoefer Law Firm, P.C. >> 606 N. Carancahua Street >> Suite 1200 >> Corpus Christi, Texas 78476 >> Phone: 361-888-8808 >> Facsimile: 361-888-6753 >> robert@brunklaw.com >> >> >> >> > > > > > >


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    Time: 01:25:15 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: F1028 blocking a/c
    From: Robert Brunkenhoefer <robertbrunk@mac.com>
    Is the fan speed inside the black box on top or the round thing with the fan blades exposed? Sent from my iPhone Robert E. Brunkenhoefer Brunkenhoefer Law Firm, P.C. 606 N. Carancahua Street Suite 1200 Corpus Christi, Texas 78476 Phone: 361-888-8808 Facsimile: 361-888-6753 robert@brunklaw.com On Dec 19, 2010, at 11:58 AM, Thane States <thane2@comporium.net> wrote: > > I have his system, can you slide it back off the tray and then drop it down under the tray and forward? > Clearly many components will have to be removed to do this; ducting etc.!! Maybe take some measurements to see if it would fit that way?? Thane States > 321BY > 166hrs. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Brunkenhoefer" <robertbrunk@mac.com> > To: <rv10-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 12:29 PM > Subject: RV10-List: F1028 blocking a/c > > >> >> I am trying to remove a black box containing the blower fan for my flightline a/c. So I can send it to John strain to get more volume so it will cool in my hot s Texas climate . I can't get it out because this brace blocks access to the rear baggage area . What can I do to allow the access I need to remove the box? Frustrated in corpus christi. N661g 300+ in condition mode >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> Robert E. Brunkenhoefer >> Brunkenhoefer Law Firm, P.C. >> 606 N. Carancahua Street >> Suite 1200 >> Corpus Christi, Texas 78476 >> Phone: 361-888-8808 >> Facsimile: 361-888-6753 >> robert@brunklaw.com >> >> >> >> > > > > > >


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    Time: 01:26:38 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: F1028 blocking a/c
    From: Robert Brunkenhoefer <robertbrunk@mac.com>
    I cannot slide the box back off the tray. Sent from my iPhone Robert E. Brunkenhoefer Brunkenhoefer Law Firm, P.C. 606 N. Carancahua Street Suite 1200 Corpus Christi, Texas 78476 Phone: 361-888-8808 Facsimile: 361-888-6753 robert@brunklaw.com On Dec 19, 2010, at 11:58 AM, Thane States <thane2@comporium.net> wrote: > > I have his system, can you slide it back off the tray and then drop it down under the tray and forward? > Clearly many components will have to be removed to do this; ducting etc.!! Maybe take some measurements to see if it would fit that way?? Thane States > 321BY > 166hrs. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Brunkenhoefer" <robertbrunk@mac.com> > To: <rv10-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 12:29 PM > Subject: RV10-List: F1028 blocking a/c > > >> >> I am trying to remove a black box containing the blower fan for my flightline a/c. So I can send it to John strain to get more volume so it will cool in my hot s Texas climate . I can't get it out because this brace blocks access to the rear baggage area . What can I do to allow the access I need to remove the box? Frustrated in corpus christi. N661g 300+ in condition mode >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> Robert E. Brunkenhoefer >> Brunkenhoefer Law Firm, P.C. >> 606 N. Carancahua Street >> Suite 1200 >> Corpus Christi, Texas 78476 >> Phone: 361-888-8808 >> Facsimile: 361-888-6753 >> robert@brunklaw.com >> >> >> >> > > > > > >


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    Time: 04:10:15 PM PST US
    From: "Wayne Williams" <rwayne@gamewood.net>
    Subject: Door pull handle
    Has anyone mounted a "pull" handle on the bottom rear of the door? I find on cold days my nice fitting door warps slightly and the rear latch will not engage without a push from the outside. What's the best way to mount a handle once the doors are finished?


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    Time: 06:29:50 PM PST US
    From: Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com>
    Subject: Re: infinity grips
    I can't help, but let me know when you figure it out, because I am going to be needing to do this for a guy in the next couple of weeks and I don't have a clue how yet. Thanks. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com C: 352-427-0285 F: 815-377-3694 On Dec 19, 2010, at 10:16 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: > OK this is off subject, but I'm having a tough time of calibrating my fuel guages to the Grand Rapids. I've read and re-read GIS's instructions and I am still lost, anybody out there that can throw me a bone it would be much appreciated. > > Bruce 151BJ 33hrs and counting > > From: Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Sent: Sat, December 18, 2010 9:54:14 PM > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: infinity grips > > These are my experiences almost exactly. A quick call to JD will get just what you want, the way you want. I also recommend using the supplied wire at least to underneath the front seats. If you aren't using the VP system, then JD's trim relay board is a great way to wire up your trims, IMHO. I often buy a couple of other buttons from him for simple things on the panel as well (ie, autopilot source switch, acknowledge buttons, etc.), so it might make sense to think through other things that you may want before calling. The order form on the website does work, if you can find it. It takes a little while to wade through the huge fonts and colors to actually find the order form link, but it is there. It does explain itself moderately well, but again, a call will definitely work. JD is very knowledgeable. > > do not archive > > Jesse Saint > Saint Aviation, Inc. > jesse@saintaviation.com > C: 352-427-0285 > F: 815-377-3694 > > On Dec 18, 2010, at 11:25 AM, Robin Marks wrote: > >> The infinity Grip site is a confusing mess. Calling Infinity when I ordered my grips for the RV-4, RV-6A RV-10 and most recently my 8A was the exact same song & grumbling dance. "Did you see the order form on the website" "Yes but it was confusing and I didn=92t want to make a mistake in ordering." That is how everyone of my conversations went with JD but in each case we went through the choices & options and the ordering took about 20 minutes to get exactly what I needed. Just understand what switch, button, toggle you want including type of switch (momentary, push on/off) and of course what hand orientation your grips should be. Don=92t forget the button switches are available in different colors so decide ahead of time your AP disconnect color vs. your Flip/Flop button color. Know ahead of time the amount of wiring length you want because he sells the bundled wire by the foot. Once you have completed the grip transaction be ready for the hard sell on his engine pre-oiler and a few other items. I thanked him for the suggestions but passed on those items. I think this the best & most accurate way to order these grips. In the end I get what I need and have discussed the choices with the most knowledgeable if occasionally a touch gruff developer of the product. >> >> "Best time to call is after 1400 CA California time, and evenings, at (619) 448-5103 ." >> >> A note on the wiring. His bundle of wiring in the blue sleeve has a LOT of wires in it. I think each wire has an associated ground wire. This bundle is difficult to fish through the control stick. Don=92t flake out and run the wires external to the stick. I suggest you eliminate most of the ground wires that you don't need and fish the balance of the wires through the stick. I call my set up "hillbilly wiring" but it works well and is much cleaner than an external wiring job. BTW I am not saying it is impossible to run the entire bundle through the stick, just very difficult. We finally learned on the 8A the best technique. >> >> <image002.jpg> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Strasnuts >> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 7:02 AM >> To: rv10-list@matronics.com >> Subject: RV10-List: Re: infinity grips >> >> >> When ordering my infinity from Aircraft Spruce I ran into, "AC with flap/brake or AC without flap/brake." What does that mean? I know the RV-10 doesn't have one but what am I changing in the switch configuration? Infinity Grip's web sight is so convoluted and scattered I would rather use Aircraft Spruce. >> >> -------- >> Cust. #40936 >> RV-10 SB Fuselage >> N801VR reserved >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323750#323750 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> (And Get Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!) >> vember is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Click on >> >> ="http://www.aeroelectric.com/">www.aeroelectric.com >> >> a href="http://www.buildersbooks.com/">www.buildersbooks.com >> >> www.homebuilthelp.com >> >> ibution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> >> ====================== >> >> nd much much more: >> >> > http://www.map class="MsoPlainText"> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - >> >> >> > http://forums.matronics.com >> >> >> >> > > oElectric www.buil HomebuiltHELP http://www.matronics.com/contribution<=== > > >


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    Time: 06:48:24 PM PST US
    From: Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com>
    Subject: Re: Door pull handle
    This is how we have done it. This is just a furniture handle that you can buy from the aviation department at Lowes or Home Depot. To mount it, we put in two hard points with fiberglass resin and flox between the inside and outside skins of the door, one above and one below the door latch pin, then put a screw in from the outside into the handle inside. It is a must for closing the doors, IMHO. It is something that, as the pilot with a newby in the passenger seat, you can reach behind them and hold in on the handle while they latch the door. It's very handy. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com C: 352-427-0285 F: 815-377-3694 On Dec 19, 2010, at 7:07 PM, Wayne Williams wrote: <rwayne@gamewood.net> > > Has anyone mounted a "pull" handle on the bottom rear of the door? I find on > cold days my nice fitting door warps slightly and the rear latch will not > engage without a push from the outside. What's the best way to mount a > handle once the doors are finished? > > > > > >


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    Time: 10:00:27 PM PST US
    Subject: fuel sender info into GRT EIS
    From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu>
    I am starting a new post because I think this topic deserves one on its own. It was started at the end of the "infinity grips" post. The question was how to interface (I presume standard fuel float gauges) fuel levels into the GRT EIS? I haven't done it yet, but my plan is to bias the senders with 12 volts thru a 1,000 ohm resistor.This should give about 0.4 volts when full, and about 2.4 volts when empty. The EIS then needs to be programmed with a "-" to invert the sensing (low is full, high voltage is empty), and the appropriate offsets and scale factors have to be entered. With this simple system the readout will not be linear. If you want that you'll have to feed the probes with a constant current source. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323880#323880




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