---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 12/21/10: 28 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:48 AM - Re: Trimming Fibreglass Cabin Top (Lew Gallagher) 2. 05:49 AM - Re: Trimming Fibreglass Cabin Top (Steve Koziol) 3. 06:20 AM - Re: Trimming Fibreglass Cabin Top (Linn Walters) 4. 06:20 AM - Re: Trimming Fibreglass Cabin Top (davidsoutpost@comcast.net) 5. 06:37 AM - Re: Trimming Fibreglass Cabin Top (Kelly McMullen) 6. 06:43 AM - Re: Trimming Fibreglass Cabin Top (Kelly McMullen) 7. 06:59 AM - Re: Trimming Fibreglass Cabin Top (Strasnuts) 8. 07:05 AM - Re: FlightPrep Lawsuit (moosepileit) 9. 07:14 AM - Re: Re: fuel sender info into GRT EIS (Jesse Saint) 10. 07:30 AM - Re: fuel sender info into GRT EIS (Tim Olson) 11. 08:20 AM - Re: fuel sender info into GRT EIS (Lenny Iszak) 12. 09:08 AM - Re: Trimming Fibreglass Cabin Top (Robin Marks) 13. 10:24 AM - Re: Door pull handle (Scott Schmidt) 14. 10:24 AM - Re: Trimming Fibreglass Cabin Top (Linn Walters) 15. 10:45 AM - Fuel sender to GRT (Dawson-Townsend,Timothy) 16. 11:14 AM - Re: Trimming Fibreglass Cabin Top (Werner Schneider) 17. 12:28 PM - Tools and cheap knock offs. (John Gonzalez) 18. 12:28 PM - Empennage Ordered!! (Tom Biggs) 19. 12:50 PM - Re: Tools and cheap knock offs. (Dj Merrill) 20. 01:03 PM - Re: Tools and cheap knock offs. (Tom Hanaway) 21. 01:22 PM - Re: Empennage Ordered!! (Marcus Cooper) 22. 01:24 PM - Re: Empennage Ordered!! (Rene Felker) 23. 01:25 PM - Re: Tools and cheap knock offs. (Tim Olson) 24. 01:58 PM - Re: Re: Trimming Fibreglass Cabin Top (Bill Watson) 25. 02:39 PM - Re: Re: Trimming Fibreglass Cabin Top (Patrick Pulis) 26. 03:00 PM - Harbor Freight was Re: Tools and cheap knock offs. (Jae Chang) 27. 03:48 PM - Re: Empennage Ordered!! (Bruce Johnson) 28. 10:39 PM - Re: Empennage Ordered!! (AirMike) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:48:12 AM PST US From: "Lew Gallagher" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Trimming Fibreglass Cabin Top Hey Patrick, All of what the others have said about trimming fiberglass. Plus, I found that sheet metal shears work great for the thin fiberglass parts. I.e. door shells, trimming around windows, etc. No dust, no fuss, then just finese sanding. Later, - Lew ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:49:31 AM PST US From: Steve Koziol Subject: Re: RV10-List: Trimming Fibreglass Cabin Top I would make one suggestion to the air grinder method and that is to do all of your cutting for fiberglass and plexiglass with an inexpensive electric die grinder.- This way you will not have to worry about the air grinder bogging down due to the compressor running low on air and then having to cy cle through again.- I picked up a Harbor Freight model for about $20 and it worked like a charm. - Steve Koziol RV 9A- N424JK 108 hrs --- On Tue, 12/21/10, Pascal wrote: From: Pascal Subject: Re: RV10-List: Trimming Fibreglass Cabin Top Harbor freight air grinder and the Vans provided cutoff wheels. If you have a decent air compressor you'll get through it pretty quick, otherwise you are given numerous breaks while the air compressor tries to keep up with th e air supply the grinder requires. Once that is done 40, than 60, than 80 grit sandpaper-trimming it to fit nicely. Pascal From: Patrick Pulis Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 8:51 PM Subject: RV10-List: Trimming Fibreglass Cabin Top Your thoughts regrading the best tool/method for trimming the fibreglass ca bin top would be appreciated please? - Merry Christmas and a safe and prosperous New Year to you all. - Kind regards - Patrick Pulis Adelaide, South Australia - title="http://www.aeroelectric.com/ CTRL + Click to follow link" href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroe lectric.com title="http://www.buildersbooks.com/ CTRL + Click to follow link" href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buil dersbooks.com title="http://www.homebuilthelp.com/ CTRL + Click to follow link" href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.home builthelp.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chr ef="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.co m/Navigator?RV10-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:20:55 AM PST US From: Linn Walters Subject: Re: RV10-List: Trimming Fibreglass Cabin Top Most all the replies suggested tools from Harbor freight. Poor Patrick Pulis lives in Adelaide, South Australia ....... maybe he'll let us know if they have HF down under!!!! It reminded me just how much we rely on and use all the cheap, imported Chinese stuff ....... Linn > I would make one suggestion to the air grinder method and that is to > do all of your cutting for fiberglass and plexiglass with an > inexpensive electric die grinder. This way you will not have to worry > about the air grinder bogging down due to the compressor running low > on air and then having to cycle through again. I picked up a Harbor > Freight model for about $20 and it worked like a charm. > > Harbor freight air grinder and the Vans provided cutoff wheels. If > you have a decent air compressor you'll get through it pretty > quick, otherwise you are given numerous breaks while the air > compressor tries to keep up with the air supply the grinder > requires.Once that is done 40, than 60, than 80 grit > sandpaper trimming it to fit nicely. > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:20:55 AM PST US From: davidsoutpost@comcast.net Subject: Re: RV10-List: Trimming Fibreglass Cabin Top The downside to buying the Harbor Freight, or any brand other than the Fein Multimaster, is the blade selection that is important cutting fiberglass. Fein offers an expensive bi-metal cupped blade that lasts just about forever cutting fiberglass. They were $79 for one blade last time we bought one about 8 years ago,,,,but well worth the money because its lasted through the build of 2 Cozy MKIV's and has seen a bit of use on the RV-10 and is still going strong. The mounting system is different for each brand so it would not fit the HF model. David Clifford RV-10 Builder 65% Done-95% To Go N849RV (reserved) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Koziol" Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 8:45:38 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Trimming Fibreglass Cabin Top I would make one suggestion to the air grinder method and that is to do all of your cutting for fiberglass and plexiglass with an inexpensive electric die grinder. This way you will not have to worry about the air grinder bogging down due to the compressor running low on air and then having to cycle through again. I picked up a Harbor Freight model for about $20 and it worked like a charm. Steve Koziol RV 9A N424JK 108 hrs --- On Tue, 12/21/10, Pascal wrote: From: Pascal Subject: Re: RV10-List: Trimming Fibreglass Cabin Top Harbor freight air grinder and the Vans provided cutoff wheels. If you have a decent air compressor you'll get through it pretty quick, otherwise you are given numerous breaks while the air compressor tries to keep up with the air supply the grinder requires. Once that is done 40, than 60, than 80 grit sandpaper trimming it to fit nicely. Pascal From: Patrick Pulis Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 8:51 PM Subject: RV10-List: Trimming Fibreglass Cabin Top Your thoughts regrading the best tool/method for trimming the fibreglass cabin top would be appreciated please? Merry Christmas and a safe and prosperous New Year to you all. Kind regards Patrick Pulis Adelaide, South Australia title="http://www.aeroelectric.com/ CTRL + Click to follow link" href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com title="http://www.buildersbooks.com/ CTRL + Click to follow link" href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com title="http://www.homebuilthelp.com/ CTRL + Click to follow link" href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ollow target=_blank>www.aeroelectric.com /" rel=nofollow target=_blank>www.buildersbooks.com ofollow target=_blank>www.homebuilthelp.com llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution =nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:37:46 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Trimming Fibreglass Cabin Top From: Kelly McMullen Heck, that makes him closer to the source, maybe can cut out the HF middleman. 8>) Myron introduced me to a Sears craftsman rechargeable equivalent yesterday: http://tinyurl.com/28sd4vh On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 7:16 AM, Linn Walters wrote: > Most all the replies suggested tools from Harbor freight. Poor Patrick > Pulis lives in Adelaide, South Australia ....... maybe he'll let us know if > they have HF down under!!!! It reminded me just how much we rely on and use > all the cheap, imported Chinese stuff ....... > Linn > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:43:45 AM PST US From: Kelly McMullen Subject: Re: RV10-List: Trimming Fibreglass Cabin Top But, you can buy almost 10 HF blades for that price, and the HF price for the tool is about 10% of the Fein. Of course we get what we pay for and less. On 12/21/2010 7:17 AM, davidsoutpost@comcast.net wrote: > The downside to buying the Harbor Freight, or any brand other than the > Fein Multimaster, is the blade selection that is important cutting > fiberglass. Fein offers an expensive bi-metal cupped blade that > lasts just about forever cutting fiberglass. They were $79 for one > blade last time we bought one about 8 years ago,,,,but well worth the > money because its lasted through the build of 2 Cozy MKIV's and has > seen a bit of use on the RV-10 and is still going strong. The > mounting system is different for each brand so it would not fit the HF > model. > > David Clifford > > RV-10 Builder > 65% Done-95% To Go > N849RV (reserved) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Koziol" > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 8:45:38 AM > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Trimming Fibreglass Cabin Top > > I would make one suggestion to the air grinder method and that is to > do all of your cutting for fiberglass and plexiglass with an > inexpensive electric die grinder. This way you will not have to worry > about the air grinder bogging down due to the compressor running low > on air and then having to cycle through again. I picked up a Harbor > Freight model for about $20 and it worked like a charm. > Steve Koziol > RV 9A N424JK > 108 hrs > > --- On *Tue, 12/21/10, Pascal //* wrote: > > > From: Pascal > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Trimming Fibreglass Cabin Top > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Date: Tuesday, December 21, 2010, 12:43 AM > > Harbor freight air grinder and the Vans provided cutoff wheels. If > you have a decent air compressor you'll get through it pretty > quick, otherwise you are given numerous breaks while the air > compressor tries to keep up with the air supply the grinder requires. > Once that is done 40, than 60, than 80 grit sandpaper trimming it > to fit nicely. > Pascal > > *From:* Patrick Pulis > > > *Sent:* Monday, December 20, 2010 8:51 PM > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com > > > *Subject:* RV10-List: Trimming Fibreglass Cabin Top > > Your thoughts regrading the best tool/method for trimming the > fibreglass cabin top would be appreciated please? > Merry Christmas and a safe and prosperous New Year to you all. > Kind regards > Patrick Pulis > Adelaide, South Australia > > * > > title="http://www.aeroelectric.com/ > CTRL + Click to follow link" href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com > title="http://www.buildersbooks.com/ > CTRL + Click to follow link" href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com > title="http://www.homebuilthelp.com/ > CTRL + Click to follow link" href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > * > > * > > ollow target=_blank>www.aeroelectric.com > /" rel=nofollow target=_blank>www.buildersbooks.com > ofollow target=_blank>www.homebuilthelp.com > llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > =nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com > * > > > * > > _blank">www.aeroelectric.com > " target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com > ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > tp://forums.matronics.com > * > * > > * ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:59:51 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Trimming Fibreglass Cabin Top From: "Strasnuts" Patrick, I used a diamond saw blade in a jigsaw for the initial cut then sanded down close with a belt sander. Finally finishing with a hand block sander. I tried a bunch of stuff but if I were to do it again I would stick to these three. -------- Cust. #40936 RV-10 SB Fuselage N801VR reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=324017#324017 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:05:22 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: FlightPrep Lawsuit From: "moosepileit" Bump. Free online map data: http://aeronav.faa.gov/index.asp?xml=aeronav/applications Don't support Skyvector either, they bought a license from flightprep. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=324018#324018 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:14:22 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: fuel sender info into GRT EIS From: Jesse Saint The plane I have to calibrate was originally installed with a Capacitance fuel level sender and has been retrofitted to the resistive float system. The plane has the EIS 4000 engine monitor. Does anybody know the difference in how they wire up? The owner says the tanks only read accurately from 5-6 gallons left in each. Any ideas? Just need to recalibrate with the normal procedure? Thanks do not archive Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com C: 352-427-0285 F: 815-377-3694 On Dec 20, 2010, at 9:59 PM, Bob Turner wrote: > > Carl, Thanks for the info. I will go look again, but I couldn't find any info on interfacing fuel float senders to the GRT EIS. The "manual" is just a bunch of papers stapled together, but as I said I couldn't find any reference to fuel float gauges. That's why I just guessed at using buss voltage (13.6) and a 1K resistor. I'm aware that if the alternator goes off line, the readings will then be off. > > Bob > > -------- > Bob Turner > RV-10 QB > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323979#323979 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:30:56 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: fuel sender info into GRT EIS I have the chelton, and the GRT EIS. I hooked mine up using the 4.8v excite power exactly as the GRT info showed. It works fine, and actually is reasonably accurate if you calibrate it, until you get fuller than something in the low-mid 20's of gallons...when the floats hit the top. You can also correct for the non-linearity on the Chelton side a bit. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD do not archive On 12/19/2010 11:49 PM, Bob Turner wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Bob > Turner" > > I am starting a new post because I think this topic deserves one on > its own. It was started at the end of the "infinity grips" post. The > question was how to interface (I presume standard fuel float gauges) > fuel levels into the GRT EIS? > > I haven't done it yet, but my plan is to bias the senders with 12 > volts thru a 1,000 ohm resistor.This should give about 0.4 volts when > full, and about 2.4 volts when empty. The EIS then needs to be > programmed with a "-" to invert the sensing (low is full, high > voltage is empty), and the appropriate offsets and scale factors have > to be entered. With this simple system the readout will not be > linear. If you want that you'll have to feed the probes with a > constant current source. > > -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323880#323880 > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:20:30 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: fuel sender info into GRT EIS From: "Lenny Iszak" Jesse, You can quickly get the scale factor and offset if you plug in your number pairs on http://www.wolframalpha.com Here's an example: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=linear+fit+%7B1.3%2C+2.2%7D%2C%7B2.1%2C+5.8%7D%2C%7B3.7%2C+10.2%7D%2C%7B4.2%2C+11.8%7D or use this type of query: linear fit {1.3, 2.2},{2.1, 5.8},{3.7, 10.2},{4.2, 11.8} It will show you the best transfer function and also show you the error at each point. A lot easier and more accurate then doing it by hand. Lenny jesse(at)saintaviation.co wrote: > The plane I have to calibrate was originally installed with a Capacitance fuel level sender and has been retrofitted to the resistive float system. The plane has the EIS 4000 engine monitor. Does anybody know the difference in how they wire up? The owner says the tanks only read accurately from 5-6 gallons left in each. Any ideas? Just need to recalibrate with the normal procedure? > > Thanks > > do not archive > > Jesse Saint > Saint Aviation, Inc. > jesse@saintaviation.com > C: 352-427-0285 > F: 815-377-3694 > > On Dec 20, 2010, at 9:59 PM, Bob Turner wrote: > > > > > > > > Carl, Thanks for the info. I will go look again, but I couldn't find any info on interfacing fuel float senders to the GRT EIS. The "manual" is just a bunch of papers stapled together, but as I said I couldn't find any reference to fuel float gauges. That's why I just guessed at using buss voltage (13.6) and a 1K resistor. I'm aware that if the alternator goes off line, the readings will then be off. > > > > Bob > > > > -------- > > Bob Turner > > RV-10 QB > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323979#323979 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=324033#324033 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:08:00 AM PST US From: Robin Marks Subject: RE: RV10-List: Trimming Fibreglass Cabin Top Oh=85 Patrick is Australian=85 [image: http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/415ynbP4%2B4L._SS500_.jpg] That=92s Australian for Fiberglass Trimming Mate! Robin Do Not Archive *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Linn Walters *Sent:* Tuesday, December 21, 2010 6:17 AM *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Trimming Fibreglass Cabin Top Most all the replies suggested tools from Harbor freight. Poor Patrick Pulis lives in Adelaide, South Australia ....... maybe he'll let us know if they have HF down under!!!! It reminded me just how much we rely on and us e all the cheap, imported Chinese stuff ....... Linn I would make one suggestion to the air grinder method and that is to do all of your cutting for fiberglass and plexiglass with an inexpensive electric die grinder. This way you will not have to worry about the air grinder bogging down due to the compressor running low on air and then having to cycle through again. I picked up a Harbor Freight model for about $20 and it worked like a charm. Harbor freight air grinder and the Vans provided cutoff wheels. If you have a decent air compressor you'll get through it pretty quick, otherwise you are given numerous breaks while the air compressor tries to keep up with th e air supply the grinder requires. Once that is done 40, than 60, than 80 gri t sandpaper trimming it to fit nicely. * * * * ===========* ===========* ===========* ===========* ------------------------------ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:24:08 AM PST US From: Scott Schmidt Subject: Re: RV10-List: Door pull handle The 180 degree kit from Planearound.com may fix that. The 90 degree may too but with the 180 degree kit the cam will fully engage which pulls the door in completely before the pins enter into the pin blocks. Just another option if you didn't want the handle and make the door look better. Scott Schmidt scottmschmidt@yahoo.com ________________________________ From: Wayne Williams Sent: Sun, December 19, 2010 5:07:09 PM Subject: RV10-List: Door pull handle Has anyone mounted a "pull" handle on the bottom rear of the door? I find on cold days my nice fitting door warps slightly and the rear latch will not engage without a push from the outside. What's the best way to mount a handle once the doors are finished? ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:24:44 AM PST US From: Linn Walters Subject: Re: RV10-List: Trimming Fibreglass Cabin Top ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:45:01 AM PST US From: "Dawson-Townsend,Timothy" Subject: RV10-List: Fuel sender to GRT Or you can order bendable capacitive probes from SkySports and specify what outputs you want, for instance 0-5 volts, or whatever you'd like, they wil l do (within reason!) TDT Tim Dawson-Townsend N52KS Aurora Flight Sciences - Cambridge tdt@aurora.aero 617-500-4812 (office) 617-905-4800 (mobile) This e-mail, and any attachment(s), is intended only for use by the address ee(s) and may contain legally privileged and/or company confidential inform ation. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail (or the person responsible for delivering this document to the intended recipient), you ar e hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, printing or copying of this e-mail, and any attachments, is strictly prohibited. If you have r eceived this e-mail in error, please respond to the individual sending the message, and permanently delete the original and any copy of any e-mail and printout. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:14:38 AM PST US From: Werner Schneider Subject: Re: RV10-List: Trimming Fibreglass Cabin Top Bunnings down under does offer some of the tools HF has but not as many cheap Chinese brand once then you can choose from ;) Werner (#41122 tail) On 21.12.2010 15:16, Linn Walters wrote: > Most all the replies suggested tools from Harbor freight. Poor Patrick > Pulis lives in Adelaide, South Australia ....... maybe he'll let us know > if they have HF down under!!!! It reminded me just how much we rely on > and use all the cheap, imported Chinese stuff ....... > Linn > >> I would make one suggestion to the air grinder method and that is to >> do all of your cutting for fiberglass and plexiglass with an >> inexpensive electric die grinder. This way you will not have to worry >> about the air grinder bogging down due to the compressor running low >> on air and then having to cycle through again. I picked up a Harbor >> Freight model for about $20 and it worked like a charm. >> >> Harbor freight air grinder and the Vans provided cutoff wheels. If >> you have a decent air compressor you'll get through it pretty >> quick, otherwise you are given numerous breaks while the air >> compressor tries to keep up with the air supply the grinder >> requires. Once that is done 40, than 60, than 80 grit sandpaper >> trimming it to fit nicely. >> > > * > > * ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:28:13 PM PST US From: John Gonzalez Subject: RV10-List: Tools and cheap knock offs. As for Chinese tools and harbor freight? I reached another small point of frustration last week while trying to fini sh some odds and ends. I ordered some craftsman tools via their catalogue=2C waited the few weeks which it took for them to arrive(Why a few weeks?) and went to use my new s et of dies on the tie rods which go below the cylinder heads which hold the baffles. Within thirty seconds of trying to start the threads with the 6-3 2 die=2C it sheared the face off one of the fingers. It was no use it will not bite the rod. On the face of every dies is stamped=2C "China" Of course there is not the normal Craftsman warranty on tap and dies so I w ent to the Sears store and you can't but them individually. It will cost an other $80.00 to replace the one die I need by getting another set. Another set at "DO It Center" was $25.00=2C I bought it as a gamble=2C that i could get a 6-32 die that might work. The box claimed High Speed Steel. It didn't work either! Now I am waiting on two dies I purchased separately from McMaster Carr=2C o ne of High Speed steel and the other of carbon steel. One of the dies was $ 29.00 alone. If I open these up and they have the writing "China" I fear I am done for. Basically=2C where can someone buy quality tools that are really quality an d not just claimed quality? Our country seems to have outsourced everything in the name of profit and bottom line. I imagine a day when it will be imp ossible to get a tool or a part of high quality=2C it just won't be availab le. If only grandpa had tools. When Vans has the entire kit produced in China=2C will the price go down=2C up=2C stay the same=2C how about the quality? Would people still buy them? Confession=2C I own a Harbor Freight engine hoist and it worked fine for th e three times I have used it and I do know how to use a die. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:28:37 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Empennage Ordered!! From: "Tom Biggs" Houston gets another 10 builder!! I am looking for any gottchas that I may have missed, modifications I should do as I build, tricks of the trade, and any other advise you guys can throw my way. Tom Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=324064#324064 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 12:50:03 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Tools and cheap knock offs. From: Dj Merrill On 12/21/2010 3:24 PM, John Gonzalez wrote: > > Basically, where can someone buy quality tools that are really quality > and not just claimed quality? I understand "Snap-On" is supposed to be excellent quality, but their prices are outside of my budget range so I can't personally vouch for them... :-) Typically the HF stuff I've purchased has worked okay. Some of it is not great, but I'd say at least 90-95 percent of what I've purchased from them has worked out just fine, and so far has lasted the 6 years or so I've been working on my project. A few items are definitely "consumables", though, such as the hand rivet puller which typically only lasts a few months, however at $3 each or something like that I just bought a few of them. I bought 3 of the $3 multimeters thinking they wouldn't last long, but I'm still using the first one I opened. -Dj -- Dj Merrill - N1JOV Glastar Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/ Please use Netiquette Guidelines http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1855 Kindly TRIM your email replies and post AFTER the relevant text ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 01:03:39 PM PST US From: "Tom Hanaway" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Tools and cheap knock offs. John, Certain tools I knew that I wanted high quality. Especially, close tolerance tools like taps/dies, torque wrenches, etc. I've been able to find NEW snap-on tools ( full metric/std. tap and die set, electronic torque wrench) on ebay at relatively reasonable prices. I have a snap-on screwdriver that I bought over 25 years ago. Still gives me pleasure every time I use it. l I still go to harbor freight for lifts, basic air tools, etc. Tom Hanaway From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 3:25 PM Subject: RV10-List: Tools and cheap knock offs. As for Chinese tools and harbor freight? I reached another small point of frustration last week while trying to finish some odds and ends. I ordered some craftsman tools via their catalogue, waited the few weeks which it took for them to arrive(Why a few weeks?) and went to use my new set of dies on the tie rods which go below the cylinder heads which hold the baffles. Within thirty seconds of trying to start the threads with the 6-32 die, it sheared the face off one of the fingers. It was no use it will not bite the rod. On the face of every dies is stamped, "China" Of course there is not the normal Craftsman warranty on tap and dies so I went to the Sears store and you can't but them individually. It will cost another $80.00 to replace the one die I need by getting another set. Another set at "DO It Center" was $25.00, I bought it as a gamble, that i could get a 6-32 die that might work. The box claimed High Speed Steel. It didn't work either! Now I am waiting on two dies I purchased separately from McMaster Carr, one of High Speed steel and the other of carbon steel. One of the dies was $29.00 alone. If I open these up and they have the writing "China" I fear I am done for. Basically, where can someone buy quality tools that are really quality and not just claimed quality? Our country seems to have outsourced everything in the name of profit and bottom line. I imagine a day when it will be impossible to get a tool or a part of high quality, it just won't be available. If only grandpa had tools. When Vans has the entire kit produced in China, will the price go down, up, stay the same, how about the quality? Would people still buy them? Confession, I own a Harbor Freight engine hoist and it worked fine for the three times I have used it and I do know how to use a die. ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 01:22:11 PM PST US From: "Marcus Cooper" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Empennage Ordered!! Tom, What a great Christmas present to yourself and way to start the new year. Tons of info on this forum, make sure you look at the archives and especially Tim Olson's site http://www.myrv10.com/ Enjoy and good luck, Marcus -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Biggs Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 3:26 PM Subject: RV10-List: Empennage Ordered!! Houston gets another 10 builder!! I am looking for any gottchas that I may have missed, modifications I should do as I build, tricks of the trade, and any other advise you guys can throw my way. Tom Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=324064#324064 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 01:24:33 PM PST US From: "Rene Felker" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Empennage Ordered!! www.myrv10.com Tim's site is great! There is more info there than you can imagine..... Rene' Felker N423CF 801-721-6080 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Biggs Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 1:26 PM Subject: RV10-List: Empennage Ordered!! Houston gets another 10 builder!! I am looking for any gottchas that I may have missed, modifications I should do as I build, tricks of the trade, and any other advise you guys can throw my way. Tom Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=324064#324064 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 01:25:52 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Tools and cheap knock offs. From: Tim Olson On any drilling/cutting bits and taps and dies, I have only been buying individuals. The affordable kits are all junk. Then I also only buy name brand USA made bits. Chinese can make tools but the cutting tools I think they just don't do good with. Tim On Dec 21, 2010, at 2:24 PM, John Gonzalez wrote: > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 01:58:39 PM PST US From: Bill Watson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Trimming Fibreglass Cabin Top Yes, I'd second that thought assuming you meant by "diamond saw blade" an abrasive type blade. They last a long time on FG and cut well. On 12/21/2010 9:57 AM, Strasnuts wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Strasnuts" > > Patrick, > > I used a diamond saw blade in a jigsaw for the initial cut then sanded down close with a belt sander. Finally finishing with a hand block sander. I tried a bunch of stuff but if I were to do it again I would stick to these three. > > -------- > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 02:39:37 PM PST US From: Patrick Pulis Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Trimming Fibreglass Cabin Top Many thanks to you all for the advice regarding trimming the cabin top.- Robin, =0AI loved your idea the most for expediency!=0A-=0AIt was definit ely a white Christmas here in Australia last night, wow, talk =0Aabout dust .- I now know why people call this and the door sections, fibreglass =0Ap urgatory!=0A-=0AI wish you all a very safe and Merry Christmas and most p rosperous building new =0Ayear for those of you who are still building.- Those that are flying, I wish you =0Asafe and smooth skies.=0A-=0AIt soun ds as though there is a 'Harbour Freight' franchise opportunity waiting =0A here for the taking down under!=0A-=0ARegards and many thanks=0A-=0APat in Oz=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 03:00:32 PM PST US From: Jae Chang Subject: Harbor Freight was Re: RV10-List: Tools and cheap knock offs. http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/local/mesa/article_ef2de0ba-94fe-11df-bbe8-001cc4c002e0.html Founder's son has been running the company into the ground, so to speak, apparently. Just google for it. There was a much better article about it i read earlier this year. Are you sure it's not a technique problem with using the tap and die? Jae 40533 wiring the panel do not archive ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 03:48:36 PM PST US From: Bruce Johnson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Empennage Ordered!! Talk to Carl in DC. He told me of some changes he made to the oil cooler la yout =0Aand cabin heat inlets trying to avoid some heating issues. He's see ms like a =0Apretty good guy.=0A=0A151BJ 33.4 hrs and climbing=0A=0A=0A____ ____________________________=0AFrom: Tom Biggs =0ATo: rv1 0-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Tue, December 21, 2010 1:26:22 PM=0ASubject: R ggs" =0A=0AHouston gets another 10 builder!! I am looking for any gottchas that I may have =0Amissed, modifications I should do as I build, tricks of the trade, and any other =0Aadvise you guys can throw my way.=0A=0ATom=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums ==================0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 10:39:08 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Empennage Ordered!! From: "AirMike" Get a nice large steel plate for back riveting. You will get good use out of it and get a very nice smooth job. Mine was too small 12"-24" recessed would be nice. -------- See you OSH '11 Q/B - flying 1 yr+ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=324109#324109 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.