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1. 04:08 AM - Re: Attaching Fairing (AirMike)
2. 04:26 AM - Re: Carpet (AirMike)
3. 04:31 AM - Re: Firewall Forward Kit (AirMike)
4. 04:46 AM - Re: Where is the FF-1015 Muffler support bracket? (AirMike)
5. 04:51 AM - Re: Upper Cowl Pin Retainer Awkward Fit (AirMike)
6. 07:35 AM - Re: Baggage door cover (Don McDonald)
7. 10:20 AM - Re: FS: Bose Aviation X headsets (2) $550 ea (Robin Marks)
8. 10:29 AM - Re: FS: Bose Aviation X headsets (2) $550 ea (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
9. 10:34 AM - Re: FS: Bose Aviation X headsets (2) $550 ea (Tim Olson)
10. 10:47 AM - Re: FS: Bose Aviation X headsets (2) $550 ea (Robin Marks)
11. 11:02 AM - The Ultimate Audio Entertainment System (Tim Olson)
12. 11:46 AM - Re: The Ultimate Audio Entertainment System (Danny Riggs)
13. 11:54 AM - Re: The Ultimate Audio Entertainment System (Tom Biggs)
14. 12:55 PM - Re: Re: The Ultimate Audio Entertainment System (Bill Watson)
15. 12:55 PM - Re: The Ultimate Audio Entertainment System (Pascal)
16. 01:45 PM - Re: The Ultimate Audio Entertainment System (Dave Saylor)
17. 01:49 PM - Re: The Ultimate Audio Entertainment System (John Cox)
18. 03:40 PM - Re: The Ultimate Audio Entertainment System (Kevin Belue)
19. 04:18 PM - Re: The Ultimate Audio Entertainment System (Kelly McMullen)
20. 04:24 PM - Re: The Ultimate Audio Entertainment System (Tim Olson)
21. 04:35 PM - Re: The Ultimate Audio Entertainment System (Pascal)
22. 05:24 PM - Re: The Ultimate Audio Entertainment System (Tim Olson)
23. 05:26 PM - Re: The Ultimate Audio Entertainment System (Bill Watson)
24. 06:40 PM - Re: The Ultimate Audio Entertainment System (g.combs)
25. 07:08 PM - Re: The Ultimate Audio Entertainment System (Ed Kranz)
26. 07:47 PM - Re: Bose, but off topic (Dave Saylor)
27. 08:09 PM - Re: The Ultimate Audio Entertainment System (Tim Olson)
28. 08:56 PM - Alternate Air intake (Phillip Perry)
29. 09:14 PM - Re: Alternate Air intake (DLM)
30. 09:39 PM - Re: Alternate Air intake (Tim Olson)
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| Subject: | Re: Attaching Fairing |
Ditto - as with David Maib , I use #6 nutplates to attach the lower rudder fairing.
It makes for easy wire maintenance on the light back there. Also, think
about the top of the vertical stabilizer if you want a cat whisker VOR antenna
in that area !
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See you OSH '11
Q/B - flying 1 yr+
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The more important question is certified or non-certified. It has to do with the
fact that certified carpet is treated for fire resistance - but it is quite
expensive ($500-$1000) for just the material. I used the alternative mentioned
by Dave. The are remnant stores that sell 100% wool carpeting. It is hard to
find and not real cheap, but the remnants are pretty reasonable. Then there are
two types of backing - There is the normal synthetic backing and there is jute
backing. Both use (poisonous when burning) urethane based glue to keep the
filaments in place. It is a lot harder to find the jute backed stuff, but I got
just enough for the whole plane for $40. Then you cut it up and have a carpet/flooring
shop put an edge binding on it, Ran me $100 for the binding. Total
cost $140 - total weight was a shocking 16#.
It may not be as safe as the certified stuff, but I am sure that you can find some
fire retardant stuff to spray on the back if you are super concerned.
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See you OSH '11
Q/B - flying 1 yr+
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall Forward Kit |
If you are going stock - like I did - it works out fine and is very time effective.
Just one small note - if you have ANY problem with the parts, as I did with
a hose, Vans is very good at taking care of the problem.
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See you OSH '11
Q/B - flying 1 yr+
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| Subject: | Re: Where is the FF-1015 Muffler support bracket? |
pics. If you need more pics - email me direct.
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See you OSH '11
Q/B - flying 1 yr+
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| Subject: | Re: Upper Cowl Pin Retainer Awkward Fit |
Might want to consider 1/4 turn cam lock fasteners. Makes it a lot faster to remove
the upper cowl
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Q/B - flying 1 yr+
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| Subject: | Re: Baggage door cover |
Geoff,,,, please stop this.... you're killing us.- Just kidding.... as us
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| Subject: | FS: Bose Aviation X headsets (2) $550 ea |
Any takers for the headsets yet?
Can one add these in parallel to a standard pair of headset jacks to use
standard headset OR plane powered Bose?
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/bosexaccess8.php
Thanks,
Robin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 5:13 PM
Subject: RV10-List: FS: Bose Aviation X headsets (2) $550 ea
I have 2 Bose Aviation X headsets for sale. They're both panel powered
models. They work fine and are in good shape. One does have some
scuffing on the Bose logo on the earcup...only cosmetic. I can take
pictures if you need. $550 each.
Shoot me an OFF-line email if you're interested.
--
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: FS: Bose Aviation X headsets (2) $550 ea |
Robin,
That's the recommended install - parallel with "old style" jacks.
Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: Robin Marks [mailto:Robin@PaintTheWeb.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 10:15 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: FS: Bose Aviation X headsets (2) $550 ea
Any takers for the headsets yet?
Can one add these in parallel to a standard pair of headset jacks to use
standard headset OR plane powered Bose?
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/bosexaccess8.php
Thanks,
Robin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 5:13 PM
Subject: RV10-List: FS: Bose Aviation X headsets (2) $550 ea
I have 2 Bose Aviation X headsets for sale. They're both panel powered
models. They work fine and are in good shape. One does have some
scuffing on the Bose logo on the earcup...only cosmetic. I can take
pictures if you need. $550 each.
Shoot me an OFF-line email if you're interested.
--
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: FS: Bose Aviation X headsets (2) $550 ea |
Nothing yet. Yes, I had all 4 of my jacks paralleled like
that....I still have it that way in the front seats.
Bose has a wiring diagram for what to connect. We never
used the standard jacks.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 12/29/2010 12:15 PM, Robin Marks wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Robin Marks<Robin@painttheweb.com>
>
> Any takers for the headsets yet?
> Can one add these in parallel to a standard pair of headset jacks to use
> standard headset OR plane powered Bose?
>
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/bosexaccess8.php
>
> Thanks,
> Robin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 5:13 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: FS: Bose Aviation X headsets (2) $550 ea
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson<Tim@myrv10.com>
>
> I have 2 Bose Aviation X headsets for sale. They're both panel powered
> models. They work fine and are in good shape. One does have some
> scuffing on the Bose logo on the earcup...only cosmetic. I can take
> pictures if you need. $550 each.
>
> Shoot me an OFF-line email if you're interested.
>
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| Subject: | FS: Bose Aviation X headsets (2) $550 ea |
If no takers I will give you $1,000 for the pair (plus shipping to
AR-72687). I will pay tax, license & registration. :-)
I assume you are rolling over to the new A20's.
Robin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: FS: Bose Aviation X headsets (2) $550 ea
Nothing yet. Yes, I had all 4 of my jacks paralleled like
that....I still have it that way in the front seats.
Bose has a wiring diagram for what to connect. We never
used the standard jacks.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 12/29/2010 12:15 PM, Robin Marks wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Robin Marks<Robin@painttheweb.com>
>
> Any takers for the headsets yet?
> Can one add these in parallel to a standard pair of headset jacks to use
> standard headset OR plane powered Bose?
>
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/bosexaccess8.php
>
> Thanks,
> Robin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 5:13 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: FS: Bose Aviation X headsets (2) $550 ea
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson<Tim@myrv10.com>
>
> I have 2 Bose Aviation X headsets for sale. They're both panel powered
> models. They work fine and are in good shape. One does have some
> scuffing on the Bose logo on the earcup...only cosmetic. I can take
> pictures if you need. $550 each.
>
> Shoot me an OFF-line email if you're interested.
>
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| Subject: | The Ultimate Audio Entertainment System |
I just finished a write-up last night on my most recent
project. If you have older kids or Teenagers especially
that will be riding in the back seats of your RV-10, this
may be something you really find interesting.
If you rarely use your back seat, or only have one kid,
you probably could care less.
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20101228/index.html
I spent a lot of time figuring out what to do, but the
actual task wasn't too bad. I really wish I had thought
of some of these concepts (especially the passive mixer
for the rear input) when I first wired the plane.
Anyway, I couldn't be more thrilled now with the audio
system in the plane...the kids were pretty happy that they
can now have individual music, and yet share a movie
and do it all via Bluetooth.
--
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
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| Subject: | The Ultimate Audio Entertainment System |
Your Lightspeed Zulu must not have been working very well. My kids gave me
one for Xmas and I used it in the plane (737) from Ontario to Denver to Nas
hville. I was tired and the plane seemed extra loud. After putting on the Z
ulu I was even able to take a nap it was so quite. So=2C you must have gott
en a bum product.
> Date: Wed=2C 29 Dec 2010 12:59:35 -0600
> From: Tim@myrv10.com
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: The Ultimate Audio Entertainment System
>
>
> I just finished a write-up last night on my most recent
> project. If you have older kids or Teenagers especially
> that will be riding in the back seats of your RV-10=2C this
> may be something you really find interesting.
> If you rarely use your back seat=2C or only have one kid=2C
> you probably could care less.
>
> http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20101228/index.html
>
> I spent a lot of time figuring out what to do=2C but the
> actual task wasn't too bad. I really wish I had thought
> of some of these concepts (especially the passive mixer
> for the rear input) when I first wired the plane.
>
> Anyway=2C I couldn't be more thrilled now with the audio
> system in the plane...the kids were pretty happy that they
> can now have individual music=2C and yet share a movie
> and do it all via Bluetooth.
>
> --
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: The Ultimate Audio Entertainment System |
Nice.... and I am planning out secure rivet storage....
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| Subject: | Re: The Ultimate Audio Entertainment System |
Ha! Get used to that feeling. Dreaming helps.
I keep telling myself how much fun the build has been but it's sounding
a bit hollow as I sit here with little to do waiting for
paint-compatible temps.
Good dreams,
Bill "needing 50-plus degrees for paint booth heating system to work" Watson
On 12/29/2010 2:52 PM, Tom Biggs wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tom Biggs"<rv10@tmbiggs.com>
>
> Nice.... and I am planning out secure rivet storage....
>
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| Subject: | Re: The Ultimate Audio Entertainment System |
I am interested in other reviews. I have a Bose X, tested and it worked
great in the -10, I have a Lightspeed 30-3g tested in a -10 and that
too worked fine, so I assumed the Zulu would be better than the 30-3G, I
have yet to test them in a moving -10, they sounded great standing still
What is important about Tim's review is Aviation consumer news rated
then better than Bose in the 2009 buyers guide, but Tim mentioned that
it was the -10's IO540 that did not resonate well with the Zulu, I
think a Cessna or Cirrus was used for the test. Avweb mentioned
(http://www.avweb.com/news/reviews/lightspeed_zulu_headset_review_197123-
1.html)
"Compared to the Bose X, we noticed a significant reduction in cockpit
noise in passive mode, which is only marginally important because most
active noise reduction (ANR) headsets will be powered at all times. When
the ANR system was turned on, the Zulu got even better. How much? The
techies say the combined passive/active noise reduction is about 8
decibels better than anyone else. Regardless, in our subjective testing,
the Zulu was more than a match for the Bose Headset X, though it's not a
runaway victory: "very good" versus "even better."
So what is important is not whether the Zulu is a great headset, but if
it is in a -10.
Anyone with the Zulu flying in the -10.. thoughts please
Tim;
Great writeup, thanks for the time an steps you took to make the
solution work out.
Thanks!
Pascal
From: Danny Riggs
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 11:42 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: The Ultimate Audio Entertainment System
Your Lightspeed Zulu must not have been working very well. My kids gave
me one for Xmas and I used it in the plane (737) from Ontario to Denver
to Nashville. I was tired and the plane seemed extra loud. After putting
on the Zulu I was even able to take a nap it was so quite. So, you must
have gotten a bum product.
> Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 12:59:35 -0600
> From: Tim@myrv10.com
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: The Ultimate Audio Entertainment System
>
>
> I just finished a write-up last night on my most recent
> project. If you have older kids or Teenagers especially
> that will be riding in the back seats of your RV-10, this
> may be something you really find interesting.
> If you rarely use your back seat, or only have one kid,
> you probably could care less.
>
> http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20101228/index.html
>
> I spent a lot of time figuring out what to do, but the
> actual task wasn't too bad. I really wish I had thought
> of some of these concepts (especially the passive mixer
> for the rear input) when I first wired the plane.
>
> Anyway, I couldn't be more thrilled now with the audio
> system in the plane...the kids were pretty happy that they
> can now have individual music, and yet share a movie
> and do it all via Bluetooth.
>
> --
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>
&g==
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: The Ultimate Audio Entertainment System |
Tim, I don't know what happened with your Zulus.
We bought a pair of Bose X headsets off Ebay to replace our Lightspeed XLs.
The difference was amazing. It just brought the whole audio package
together. Before the Bose we could barely hear the music and the radios and
intercom were very average.
Then I used a customer's Zulu. I thought the difference was again very
noticeable and very much better than the Bose. Plus, the Zulus were just
more comfortable. So we splurged and bought a new set, and moved the Bose
to the back seats.
One thing about the Bose X that seems lousy is that as the mic boom gets
rotated it winds the wires up inside until they finally break. They need a
design change to include a stop, or a more robust stop, to prevent the boom
pivot from rotating 360 degrees. A new cord is about $200.
I love the Zulus, and I've used both for hundreds of hours. I guess it all
comes down to what works for you. We're pretty lucky to be able to choose
between the X and the Zulu, and now the new Bose as well. I know they're
expensive but they make a huge difference, especially on long flights. I
used to have David Clarks with an aftermarket ANR kit that **almost** made a
difference...these are all so much better!
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 12:52 PM, Pascal <rv10builder@verizon.net> wrote:
> I am interested in other reviews. I have a Bose X, tested and it worked
> great in the -10, I have a Lightspeed 30-3g tested in a -10 and that too
> worked fine, so I assumed the Zulu would be better than the 30-3G, I have
> yet to test them in a moving -10, they sounded great standing still [image:
> Winking smile emoticon]
> What is important about Tim's review is Aviation consumer news rated then
> better than Bose in the 2009 buyers guide, but Tim mentioned that it was the
> -10's IO540 that did not resonate well with the Zulu, I think a Cessna or
> Cirrus was used for the test. Avweb mentioned (
> http://www.avweb.com/news/reviews/lightspeed_zulu_headset_review_197123-1.html
> )
> "Compared to the Bose X, we noticed a significant reduction in cockpit
> noise in passive mode, which is only marginally important because most
> active noise reduction (ANR) headsets will be powered at all times. When the
> ANR system was turned on, the Zulu got even better. How much? The techies
> say the combined passive/active noise reduction is about 8 decibels better
> than anyone else. Regardless, in our subjective testing, the Zulu was more
> than a match for the Bose Headset X, though it's not a runaway victory:
> "very good" versus "even better."
>
> So what is important is not whether the Zulu is a great headset, but if it
> is in a -10.
>
> Anyone with the Zulu flying in the -10.. thoughts please
>
> Tim;
> Great writeup, thanks for the time an steps you took to make the solution
> work out.
>
> Thanks!
> Pascal
>
>
> *From:* Danny Riggs <jdriggs49@msn.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 29, 2010 11:42 AM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: The Ultimate Audio Entertainment System
>
> Your Lightspeed Zulu must not have been working very well. My kids gave me
> one for Xmas and I used it in the plane (737) from Ontario to Denver to
> Nashville. I was tired and the plane seemed extra loud. After putting on the
> Zulu I was even able to take a nap it was so quite. So, you must have gotten
> a bum product. [image: Sad smile]
>
> > Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 12:59:35 -0600
> > From: Tim@myrv10.com
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RV10-List: The Ultimate Audio Entertainment System
> >
> >
> > I just finished a write-up last night on my most recent
> > project. If you have older kids or Teenagers especially
> > that will be riding in the back seats of your RV-10, this
> > may be something you really find interesting.
> > If you rarely use your back seat, or only have one kid,
> > you probably could care less.
> >
> > http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20101228/index.html
> >
> > I spent a lot of time figuring out what to do, but the
> > actual task wasn't too bad. I really wish I had thought
> > of some of these concepts (especially the passive mixer
> > for the rear input) when I first wired the plane.
> >
> > Anyway, I couldn't be more thrilled now with the audio
> > system in the plane...the kids were pretty happy that they
> > can now have individual music, and yet share a movie
> > and do it all via Bluetooth.
> >
> > --
> > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
> >
> &g==
> >
> >
> >
>
> *
>
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Any viable comparison should be done with at least two separate sets of
the same model in Head to Head evaluation. I have a Decibel meter I can
provide to record the base line noise level of any RV-10 and will get a
spectrum analyzer to add to the establishment of specific RV-10 noise
generation. NO other aircraft need volunteer. I doubt Tim's is noisier
than most except for the dueling MP3 blue tooth "soon to be teens" in
the back seat.
This thread is a good one following the Christmas of 2010.
Noise Attenuation is a great new thread which I could throw suppliers
into the mix if the audience wanted. Pegasus AeroMarine - Dan Newland
(OSH 2009 Speaker). EAA may just have audio tapes of Dan's
presentation. And I live right down the street from Lightspeed if anyone
has Quality Control issues or needs a local strong-arm.
Happy New Year.
John Cox
ANVS Specialist - Bombardier Q400 Turboprops
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Danny Riggs
Sent: Wed 12/29/2010 11:42 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: The Ultimate Audio Entertainment System
Your Lightspeed Zulu must not have been working very well. My kids gave
me one for Xmas and I used it in the plane (737) from Ontario to Denver
to Nashville. I was tired and the plane seemed extra loud. After putting
on the Zulu I was even able to take a nap it was so quite. So, you must
have gotten a bum product. Sad smile
> Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 12:59:35 -0600
> From: Tim@myrv10.com
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: The Ultimate Audio Entertainment System
>
>
> I just finished a write-up last night on my most recent
> project. If you have older kids or Teenagers especially
> that will be riding in the back seats of your RV-10, this
> may be something you really find interesting.
> If you rarely use your back seat, or only have one kid,
> you probably could care less.
>
> http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20101228/index.html
>
> I spent a lot of time figuring out what to do, but the
> actual task wasn't too bad. I really wish I had thought
> of some of these concepts (especially the passive mixer
> for the rear input) when I first wired the plane.
>
> Anyway, I couldn't be more thrilled now with the audio
> system in the plane...the kids were pretty happy that they
> can now have individual music, and yet share a movie
> and do it all via Bluetooth.
>
> --
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>
&g==
>
>
>
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<http://www.homebuilthelp.com/>
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Tim, you must have a bad Zulu headset. I've been using Zulus in my RV10 for a couple
of years now- quietest ones I've used, including Bose. No issues at all....
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 29, 2010, at 12:59 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>
> I just finished a write-up last night on my most recent
> project. If you have older kids or Teenagers especially
> that will be riding in the back seats of your RV-10, this
> may be something you really find interesting.
> If you rarely use your back seat, or only have one kid,
> you probably could care less.
>
> http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20101228/index.html
>
> I spent a lot of time figuring out what to do, but the
> actual task wasn't too bad. I really wish I had thought
> of some of these concepts (especially the passive mixer
> for the rear input) when I first wired the plane.
>
> Anyway, I couldn't be more thrilled now with the audio
> system in the plane...the kids were pretty happy that they
> can now have individual music, and yet share a movie
> and do it all via Bluetooth.
>
> --
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: The Ultimate Audio Entertainment System |
Well, IMHO, headsets are like primer and other metal prep. Depends on head
siz/shape, ear size, ear sensitivity, sweat glands and just personal
preference. I could live with either one, and I can easily see where one
could be better on a given head than another. I wish the Bose had better
passive protection, I wish the Zulus were an ounce or two lighter and less
clamping. I wish Bose treated their customers a bit more like Lightspeed re
trade up, etc.
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 4:30 PM, Kevin Belue <kdbelue@charter.net> wrote:
>
> Tim, you must have a bad Zulu headset. I've been using Zulus in my RV10 for
> a couple of years now- quietest ones I've used, including Bose. No issues at
> all....
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: The Ultimate Audio Entertainment System |
I'd have to say that it either had to be a bad headset or
something strange then. They were pretty darn bad. The
low frequency stuff really got through bad. Now, when I
powered them off and on, there was a big difference, so I
know the ANR was at least functioning to some reasonable
degree. The performance of it was what wasn't good. If
I squeezed them in on my head, I'd say, for pulling a number
out of my butt, that maybe it was 85% of what the Bose X's
were.
Now last night I went flying for the first flight with the
A20's from Bose. Those were actually noticeably quieter
than the X's, which surprised me. I remember throwing them
on in the booth at OSH and thinking it wasn't too big a deal.
I think though that it's important to test them in the same
plane, at the same time, swapping them on and off your
head. You get a real sense of what sounds you are reducing.
The Bose A20's actually get rid of so much low frequency
noise that the engine itself sounded higher pitched to me.
It was much more faint, but it really took out the lows
better. The X's were always very good for me. You turn
them on and it quickly ramps up the ANR, and then it's
much quieter.
If someone every brings a set of Zulu's with me, I'd be
happy to try out another pair....after the experience,
and the fit for the kids, I'd have to say that even if
they came out as good or better than the X's, I wouldn't
take them. The Bose sets are actually quite a bit more
flexible in terms of who they'll fit. I'm sure you could
take them all the way from a 2 year old up to a large
adult. If you truly have a very large head, I think
the Zulu's would ultimately feel more comfortable to you
though, to be honest. But the Bose are by far the most
flexible in size range....so a pair of X's or A20's would make
a great set in the aft seats because they'd fit anyone.
Headsets, to me, are a very personal choice. If the performance
of the Zulu's had been up to par, I'd likely have pursued
a couple pair. That said, now that I've tried the A20's,
and have the music system built that I do, I'm much happier
with the setup I have.....it's more flexible. Lightspeed
did a good job with the music input on the Zulu though.
Wish we saw more of that in the industry. Bose really
lost that one.
Final notes.... First, I think just because a headset works
in one plane, doesn't mean it'll work as well in some other
type. Second, to me, I don't really care if one headset is
$100-200 (or even $500) less than another. If you use them
as many hours as I have, it really doesn't matter...what
matters is that after 10 hours of X/C, you still weren't
bothered by them at all.
One note about the A20's, that is kind of cool. Since
they have batteries in them (you don't need batteries to
use them panel-powered though), you can buy a LEMO to
dual plug adapter, and use them in standard jacks. So for
those who hop planes a lot, it may be the most flexible
set available. The price isn't really too bad for the
adapter, either.
I did try to love the Zulu's. I was pretty pumped when I
bought them. I'd love to wear another pair some day so
that I can write that they work just as well. It just
wasn't the experience I had. I did have the latest model,
too...the new ones don't have the FRC button anymore.
I also really did get some offline replies from a few people
who said they had the same experience I did....so I can't
say it's just me.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 12/29/2010 5:30 PM, Kevin Belue wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Kevin Belue<kdbelue@charter.net>
>
> Tim, you must have a bad Zulu headset. I've been using Zulus in my RV10 for a
couple of years now- quietest ones I've used, including Bose. No issues at all....
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 29, 2010, at 12:59 PM, Tim Olson<Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson<Tim@myrv10.com>
>>
>> I just finished a write-up last night on my most recent
>> project. If you have older kids or Teenagers especially
>> that will be riding in the back seats of your RV-10, this
>> may be something you really find interesting.
>> If you rarely use your back seat, or only have one kid,
>> you probably could care less.
>>
>> http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20101228/index.html
>>
>> I spent a lot of time figuring out what to do, but the
>> actual task wasn't too bad. I really wish I had thought
>> of some of these concepts (especially the passive mixer
>> for the rear input) when I first wired the plane.
>>
>> Anyway, I couldn't be more thrilled now with the audio
>> system in the plane...the kids were pretty happy that they
>> can now have individual music, and yet share a movie
>> and do it all via Bluetooth.
>>
>> --
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: The Ultimate Audio Entertainment System |
I have to say that Lightspeed has a very fine support group. If you still
have the headset Tim send it back to them to have it checked. I had a
problem with my 30-3G that had feedback during runups only, turned out it
was the CAP 182 issue, and Lightspeed ran it through some test and did some
fine tuning. They sent me new gel pads on the headset too explaining that
they saw no issues but the pads might help fill any gaps that "may" have
caused the issue. They really took an interest in seeing this resolved for
me even if they couldn't find anything wrong with the actual set.
I was getting worried my Zulu would not be what I expected, glad to see the
positive feedback on this issue.
Thanks!
Pascal
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Kevin Belue" <kdbelue@charter.net>
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: The Ultimate Audio Entertainment System
>
> Tim, you must have a bad Zulu headset. I've been using Zulus in my RV10
> for a couple of years now- quietest ones I've used, including Bose. No
> issues at all....
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 29, 2010, at 12:59 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I just finished a write-up last night on my most recent
>> project. If you have older kids or Teenagers especially
>> that will be riding in the back seats of your RV-10, this
>> may be something you really find interesting.
>> If you rarely use your back seat, or only have one kid,
>> you probably could care less.
>>
>> http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20101228/index.html
>>
>> I spent a lot of time figuring out what to do, but the
>> actual task wasn't too bad. I really wish I had thought
>> of some of these concepts (especially the passive mixer
>> for the rear input) when I first wired the plane.
>>
>> Anyway, I couldn't be more thrilled now with the audio
>> system in the plane...the kids were pretty happy that they
>> can now have individual music, and yet share a movie
>> and do it all via Bluetooth.
>>
>> --
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: The Ultimate Audio Entertainment System |
I'd have to say that both companies have provided extremely
good service for me. Lightspeed was great to work with in
regards to they even sent me the thicker headpad a few minutes
BEFORE I actually ordered the headset from Aircraft Spruce.
I don't still have the headset...I actually took almost
an $80 hit to return it...but I wouldn't have been happy
being stuck. I've heard most people have great support
from Lightspeed. The only complaint was that on the older
plastic "wide-load" headsets, people get great support but
that's because they're constantly sending them in for
repairs to broken parts.
Bose too...at one point, they had a couple versions of
mic, with different gain levels. I wanted the other
ones, and they paid for overnight and 2nd day shipping
to get them to them and back for mic swaps. At OSH
every year, I walk in and for free, they replace everything
that may have any issue...ear seals, head pad, cord,
cord repair, yoke....anything. They're really top notch
when it comes to support. I've never paid a dime for
support for them. That's actually one reason I am
getting A20's...5 years of warranty and I can look
forward to being catered to at OSH each year if I need
anything.
So from a support standpoint, I think you'll be fine with
either company. I am happy that Bose is made in the USA.
That really is getting to be an important issue to me.
I am losing respect for TCM, Cirrus, and all those who
are sending things to China from our industry. Enough is
enough...if we want jobs in the USA, we need to keep
making SOMETHING here...and I'm happy to pay 10-20% more
for it, if it's as good or better quality...it's either
that, or they're going to be taking more of my taxes to
help pay for all the people laid off from their jobs, and
I think most people would prefer to actually be happily
working somewhere.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 12/29/2010 6:30 PM, Pascal wrote:
>
> I have to say that Lightspeed has a very fine support group. If you
> still have the headset Tim send it back to them to have it checked. I
> had a problem with my 30-3G that had feedback during runups only, turned
> out it was the CAP 182 issue, and Lightspeed ran it through some test
> and did some fine tuning. They sent me new gel pads on the headset too
> explaining that they saw no issues but the pads might help fill any gaps
> that "may" have caused the issue. They really took an interest in seeing
> this resolved for me even if they couldn't find anything wrong with the
> actual set.
> I was getting worried my Zulu would not be what I expected, glad to see
> the positive feedback on this issue.
> Thanks!
> Pascal
>
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| Subject: | Re: The Ultimate Audio Entertainment System |
At least what John says below.
A factor I've personally played with is sunglass temple style versus ear
muff. Getting a great seal without glasses is pretty easy on all of
them. Getting a great seal with various temples is a major challenge
and game changer. The most effective approach is to choose your
sunglass/eye glass temple style with your headset in mind.
On 12/29/2010 4:46 PM, John Cox wrote:
> Any viable comparison should be done with at least two separate sets
> of the same model in Head to Head evaluation. I have a Decibel meter
> I can provide to record the base line noise level of any RV-10 and
> will get a spectrum analyzer to add to the establishment of specific
> RV-10 noise generation. NO other aircraft need volunteer. I doubt
> Tim's is noisier than most except for the dueling MP3 blue tooth "soon
> to be teens" in the back seat.
>
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I thought I would add to the Bose band wagon here. I purchased the new A20s at
Oshkosh
I was on the fence between the Zulu's and new Bose. I already had the older Bose.
And really
Liked them. I bought the new Bose and on the way home my wife and I compared. I
was shocked at the difference. It took me a while to get use to flying with them
because they are
So quite. I can hardly here the engine.
I then had the chance to fly in another rv-10 with the new zulu's and then flew
in my airplane right after that. The Bose were still better. I was hoping the
zulu's would be as good or better.
Not the case in my opinion.
I have flown for 10.5 hrs in one day with the new Bose and never new they were
on my head.
fWIW
Geoff
Sent from my iPad
On Dec 29, 2010, at 8:15 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
>
> I'd have to say that both companies have provided extremely
> good service for me. Lightspeed was great to work with in
> regards to they even sent me the thicker headpad a few minutes
> BEFORE I actually ordered the headset from Aircraft Spruce.
> I don't still have the headset...I actually took almost
> an $80 hit to return it...but I wouldn't have been happy
> being stuck. I've heard most people have great support
> from Lightspeed. The only complaint was that on the older
> plastic "wide-load" headsets, people get great support but
> that's because they're constantly sending them in for
> repairs to broken parts.
>
> Bose too...at one point, they had a couple versions of
> mic, with different gain levels. I wanted the other
> ones, and they paid for overnight and 2nd day shipping
> to get them to them and back for mic swaps. At OSH
> every year, I walk in and for free, they replace everything
> that may have any issue...ear seals, head pad, cord,
> cord repair, yoke....anything. They're really top notch
> when it comes to support. I've never paid a dime for
> support for them. That's actually one reason I am
> getting A20's...5 years of warranty and I can look
> forward to being catered to at OSH each year if I need
> anything.
>
> So from a support standpoint, I think you'll be fine with
> either company. I am happy that Bose is made in the USA.
> That really is getting to be an important issue to me.
> I am losing respect for TCM, Cirrus, and all those who
> are sending things to China from our industry. Enough is
> enough...if we want jobs in the USA, we need to keep
> making SOMETHING here...and I'm happy to pay 10-20% more
> for it, if it's as good or better quality...it's either
> that, or they're going to be taking more of my taxes to
> help pay for all the people laid off from their jobs, and
> I think most people would prefer to actually be happily
> working somewhere.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
> do not archive
>
>
> On 12/29/2010 6:30 PM, Pascal wrote:
>>
>> I have to say that Lightspeed has a very fine support group. If you
>> still have the headset Tim send it back to them to have it checked. I
>> had a problem with my 30-3G that had feedback during runups only, turned
>> out it was the CAP 182 issue, and Lightspeed ran it through some test
>> and did some fine tuning. They sent me new gel pads on the headset too
>> explaining that they saw no issues but the pads might help fill any gaps
>> that "may" have caused the issue. They really took an interest in seeing
>> this resolved for me even if they couldn't find anything wrong with the
>> actual set.
>> I was getting worried my Zulu would not be what I expected, glad to see
>> the positive feedback on this issue.
>> Thanks!
>> Pascal
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: The Ultimate Audio Entertainment System |
Tim,
If you're in St. Paul and want to try another set of Zulu's out, I have a
set with GA plugs you could compare (and it will only cost you a ride!) I
started on Bose X's and liked them, but the A2DP is what sold me on the
Zulus.
The set I got from Lake and Air at Fleming still has the FRC button on it,
and this was the first I heard that they've removed that button. Must have
been on the shelf for a while.
Ed Kranz
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 6:20 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>
>
> I did try to love the Zulu's. I was pretty pumped when I
> bought them. I'd love to wear another pair some day so
> that I can write that they work just as well. It just
> wasn't the experience I had. I did have the latest model,
> too...the new ones don't have the FRC button anymore.
> I also really did get some offline replies from a few people
> who said they had the same experience I did....so I can't
> say it's just me.
>
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
> do not archive
>
>
> On 12/29/2010 5:30 PM, Kevin Belue wrote:
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Kevin Belue<kdbelue@charter.net>
>>
>> Tim, you must have a bad Zulu headset. I've been using Zulus in my RV10
>> for a couple of years now- quietest ones I've used, including Bose. No
>> issues at all....
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 29, 2010, at 12:59 PM, Tim Olson<Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson<Tim@myrv10.com>
>>>
>>> I just finished a write-up last night on my most recent
>>> project. If you have older kids or Teenagers especially
>>> that will be riding in the back seats of your RV-10, this
>>> may be something you really find interesting.
>>> If you rarely use your back seat, or only have one kid,
>>> you probably could care less.
>>>
>>> http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20101228/index.html
>>>
>>> I spent a lot of time figuring out what to do, but the
>>> actual task wasn't too bad. I really wish I had thought
>>> of some of these concepts (especially the passive mixer
>>> for the rear input) when I first wired the plane.
>>>
>>> Anyway, I couldn't be more thrilled now with the audio
>>> system in the plane...the kids were pretty happy that they
>>> can now have individual music, and yet share a movie
>>> and do it all via Bluetooth.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Bose, but off topic |
I read in a car magazine that Bose is developing "noise canceling"
suspension for cars. They've been working on it for **25 years**.
Here's a video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSi6J-QK1lw
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
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I think we can do that Ed! Let's hope for some good
weather. The A2DP lacking on the Bose did really
tick me off at first. I actually called twice, and
wrote in twice, trying to make sure it got escalated
to the project manager that I thought they really were
going to be at a disadvantage if they didn't add that
feature. For me, it's now a non-issue. The plane
is wired in even a better way. But had they been
available, I probably would have gone that route
and saved time. I should be glad...but still, I hate
to see them offered without a key feature that some
people would love.
From what I understand, all the FRC buttons are gone
on the latest version. They basically turn it on by
default now. The music did sound pretty good.
Maybe it's only the newer versions that have ANR
issues? Or, maybe I just ordered one that was built
on Friday in China? :)
Ed, if you see a good weather weekend coming, shoot
me an email. It may be a while but we'll find one
where we aren't getting pummeled by snow or ice.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 12/29/2010 9:06 PM, Ed Kranz wrote:
> Tim,
>
> If you're in St. Paul and want to try another set of Zulu's out, I have
> a set with GA plugs you could compare (and it will only cost you a
> ride!) I started on Bose X's and liked them, but the A2DP is what sold
> me on the Zulus.
>
> The set I got from Lake and Air at Fleming still has the FRC button on
> it, and this was the first I heard that they've removed that button.
> Must have been on the shelf for a while.
>
> Ed Kranz
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 6:20 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com
> <mailto:Tim@myrv10.com>> wrote:
>
> <mailto:Tim@myrv10.com>>
>
>
> I did try to love the Zulu's. I was pretty pumped when I
> bought them. I'd love to wear another pair some day so
> that I can write that they work just as well. It just
> wasn't the experience I had. I did have the latest model,
> too...the new ones don't have the FRC button anymore.
> I also really did get some offline replies from a few people
> who said they had the same experience I did....so I can't
> say it's just me.
>
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
> do not archive
>
>
> On 12/29/2010 5:30 PM, Kevin Belue wrote:
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Kevin
> Belue<kdbelue@charter.net <mailto:kdbelue@charter.net>>
>
> Tim, you must have a bad Zulu headset. I've been using Zulus in
> my RV10 for a couple of years now- quietest ones I've used,
> including Bose. No issues at all....
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 29, 2010, at 12:59 PM, Tim Olson<Tim@myrv10.com
> <mailto:Tim@myrv10.com>> wrote:
>
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson<Tim@myrv10.com
> <mailto:Tim@myrv10.com>>
>
> I just finished a write-up last night on my most recent
> project. If you have older kids or Teenagers especially
> that will be riding in the back seats of your RV-10, this
> may be something you really find interesting.
> If you rarely use your back seat, or only have one kid,
> you probably could care less.
>
> http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20101228/index.html
>
> I spent a lot of time figuring out what to do, but the
> actual task wasn't too bad. I really wish I had thought
> of some of these concepts (especially the passive mixer
> for the rear input) when I first wired the plane.
>
> Anyway, I couldn't be more thrilled now with the audio
> system in the plane...the kids were pretty happy that they
> can now have individual music, and yet share a movie
> and do it all via Bluetooth.
>
> --
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
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| Subject: | Alternate Air intake |
I'm just curious how many people have alternate air intake doors on their
airplanes and if anyone has seen a need for one?
Thanks,
Phil
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| Subject: | Re: Alternate Air intake |
which alternate air? engine yes; have not used. alternate air for pitot
static system yes and never used. I use the engine air intake as a door
opening on the underside of the airbox which bypasses the filter. Since
I have no round gauges I use a Curtiss valve in the panel to open the
static line in case of airframe icing of the static ports. hope it never
happens.
----- Original Message -----
From: Phillip Perry
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 9:53 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Alternate Air intake
I'm just curious how many people have alternate air intake doors on
their airplanes and if anyone has seen a need for one?
Thanks,
Phil
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| Subject: | Re: Alternate Air intake |
If you mean on the FAB, yes...it's something you definitely
want to have. You don't need to build the carb heat
valve if you are using an IO-540 though...just the
alternate air. It's an emergency only thing, so you
won't need it until you really NEED it.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
On 12/29/2010 10:53 PM, Phillip Perry wrote:
> I'm just curious how many people have alternate air intake doors on
> their airplanes and if anyone has seen a need for one?
>
> Thanks,
> Phil
>
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