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4. 09:22 AM - Re: Miscellaneous end of year questions (rv10flyer)
5. 09:53 AM - Re: Re: FlightPrep Lawsuit (Tim Olson)
6. 10:42 AM - Re: Miscellaneous end of year questions (Kelly McMullen)
7. 11:46 AM - Re: Re: FlightPrep Lawsuit (Deems Davis)
8. 02:04 PM - Fuel Tank Sealing (Dave Fritzsche (Building))
9. 02:22 PM - Re: Fuel Tank Sealing (Seano)
10. 02:57 PM - Re: Fuel Tank Sealing (Tim Olson)
11. 04:05 PM - Re: Re: FlightPrep Lawsuit (Scott Schmidt)
12. 04:37 PM - Re: Fuel Tank Sealing (Carl Froehlich)
13. 05:13 PM - Re: Re: FlightPrep Lawsuit (Pascal)
14. 05:54 PM - Re: Re: FlightPrep Lawsuit (Linn Walters)
15. 06:22 PM - Re: Fuel Tank Sealing (rv10flyer)
16. 06:37 PM - Re: Re: FlightPrep Lawsuit (Deems Davis)
17. 06:59 PM - Re: Re: FlightPrep Lawsuit (Chris Colohan)
18. 07:34 PM - Re: Re: FlightPrep Lawsuit (Tim Olson)
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Hi Bruce
I want to inspect / flush the tankxs for leaks before I start flying
(and wing install). It would seem this would be easier and more
effective with the tanks off.
Cheers
Les
#40643
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Johnson
Sent: December-31-10 10:22 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Miscellaneous end of year questions
Not really, I am still flying my 40 off. They started leaking as soon as
I started filling the tanks full.
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From: DLM <dlm34077@q.com>
Sent: Fri, December 31, 2010 7:46:25 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Miscellaneous end of year questions
=EF=BB
Are your passengers standing on any part of the tank when
loading/unloading?
----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce <mailto:bruce1hwjohnson@yahoo.com> Johnson
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 6:53 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Miscellaneous end of year questions
Just out of curiosity, why are you taking the tanks out? I'm afraid I am
going to have to take mine out as they are leaking from the outlet port
and the sealant is getting real gummy. They are also quick built.
_____
From: "davidsoutpost@comcast.net" <davidsoutpost@comcast.net>
Sent: Fri, December 31, 2010 4:10:34 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Miscellaneous end of year questions
I use a thermal wire striper for striping wire. They are a bit
expensive but you can sometimes find one on eBay for a decent price. No
worries of nicking wires with these:
http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=stripall+wire+stripers&hl=en
&client=firefox-a&hs=P4T&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&prmd=ivns
&resnum=3&biw=1366&bih=587&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=1185846266203347
523&sa=X&ei=WGAeTaqzEcj9nAfi2qz_DQ&ved=0CEsQ8gIwAQ#
Do yourself a favor and order a couple hundred of the SS Torx drive 100*
screws from these guys,,,,,,no more fooling around with stripped
Phillips head screws:
http://www.microfasteners.com/catalog/standard.cfm?Category=SSC&SubCate
gory=FCMXS
David Clifford
RV-10 Builder
65% Done-95% To Go
N849RV (reserved)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Les Kearney" <kearney@shaw.ca>
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 1:45:20 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Miscellaneous end of year questions
Hi
As I embark on a new adventure - wiring, I have a couple of questions
for those who know their electrons.
My wire strippers don't seen to work very well on the fine Tefzel wires
of the RayAllen servos. Can anyone give me the name / model of a good
brand of wire strippers that will handle these wires? I suspect this
will be an ongoing issue.
I notice in the plans (OP37-16) that the tail light ground is on the aft
tail cone F1012 bulkhead. My plan was to run dedicated grounds back to
the firewall ground block. Is there any issue (ground loops) with
following the plans? Is a dedicated ground preferable? If a dedicated
ground is preferred, is there any issue with gathering grounds to a
common point (were practical) and then running a single dedicated ground
back to the firewall ground block?
As I run wires to the rudder (as per the pans), what is the best way to
protect these wires from the elements, prevent chaffing and cracking? My
concern is that these wires may lose flexibility in cold weather but
then again this may be a misplaced concern.
On the mechanical side, I am stumped over how to remove the tanks on my
QB wings. The screws seem to be very well set and I don't think I can
remove them without stripping the heads. Is there any trick to removing
these screws (WD40 etc)?
Inquiring minds need to know
Happy New Year
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If the tanks/wings were QB and tested by Vans, why take them off now
before flight and risk causing a leak. tanks can be removed after wing
installation; hence after phase I if necessary. I flushed with mineral
spirits to get the bits of proseal out and flew. No leaks or clogs after
375 hours. Only two tiny specks in the fuel filter screen when checked
at 300 hours.
----- Original Message -----
From: Les Kearney
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 8:38 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Miscellaneous end of year questions
Hi Bruce
I want to inspect / flush the tankxs for leaks before I start flying
(and wing install). It would seem this would be easier and more
effective with the tanks off.
Cheers
Les
#40643
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Johnson
Sent: December-31-10 10:22 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Miscellaneous end of year questions
Not really, I am still flying my 40 off. They started leaking as soon
as I started filling the tanks full.
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From: DLM <dlm34077@q.com>
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Fri, December 31, 2010 7:46:25 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Miscellaneous end of year questions
=EF=BB
Are your passengers standing on any part of the tank when
loading/unloading?
----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce Johnson
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 6:53 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Miscellaneous end of year questions
Just out of curiosity, why are you taking the tanks out? I'm afraid
I am going to have to take mine out as they are leaking from the outlet
port and the sealant is getting real gummy. They are also quick built.
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To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Fri, December 31, 2010 4:10:34 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Miscellaneous end of year questions
I use a thermal wire striper for striping wire. They are a bit
expensive but you can sometimes find one on eBay for a decent price. No
worries of nicking wires with these:
http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=stripall+wire+stripers&hl=en
&client=firefox-a&hs=P4T&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&prmd=ivns
&resnum=3&biw=1366&bih=587&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=1185846266203347
523&sa=X&ei=WGAeTaqzEcj9nAfi2qz_DQ&ved=0CEsQ8gIwAQ#
Do yourself a favor and order a couple hundred of the SS Torx drive
100* screws from these guys,,,,,,no more fooling around with stripped
Phillips head screws:
http://www.microfasteners.com/catalog/standard.cfm?Category=SSC&SubCate
gory=FCMXS
David Clifford
RV-10 Builder
65% Done-95% To Go
N849RV (reserved)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Les Kearney" <kearney@shaw.ca>
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 1:45:20 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Miscellaneous end of year questions
Hi
As I embark on a new adventure - wiring, I have a couple of
questions for those who know their electrons.
My wire strippers don't seen to work very well on the fine Tefzel
wires of the RayAllen servos. Can anyone give me the name / model of a
good brand of wire strippers that will handle these wires? I suspect
this will be an ongoing issue.
I notice in the plans (OP37-16) that the tail light ground is on the
aft tail cone F1012 bulkhead. My plan was to run dedicated grounds back
to the firewall ground block. Is there any issue (ground loops) with
following the plans? Is a dedicated ground preferable? If a dedicated
ground is preferred, is there any issue with gathering grounds to a
common point (were practical) and then running a single dedicated ground
back to the firewall ground block?
As I run wires to the rudder (as per the pans), what is the best way
to protect these wires from the elements, prevent chaffing and cracking?
My concern is that these wires may lose flexibility in cold weather but
then again this may be a misplaced concern.
On the mechanical side, I am stumped over how to remove the tanks on
my QB wings. The screws seem to be very well set and I don't think I can
remove them without stripping the heads. Is there any trick to removing
these screws (WD40 etc)?
Inquiring minds need to know
Happy New Year
Les #40643
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| Subject: | Re: Miscellaneous end of year questions |
Hi Wayne
Thanks for the detailed wire run info. I like how you have allowed for the
removal of the vertical stab. It sounds like the best plan for me is to use
Dave Saylor's "coil" method (thanks Dave) and skip the spiral wrap. I have
flown in -15c and I suspect the spiral wrap would become brittle and break
at that temperature.
Cheers & Happy New Year
Les
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rv10flyer
Sent: December-31-10 1:19 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Miscellaneous end of year questions
I am using Ideal Stripmaster Cat# 45-177 16-26 Ga. Not cheap but they work
really well. For larger wires I use a cheap pair from Lowe's. I use single
edge razor on rg-400 or #2 ga.
I am grounding everything locally unless specified by mfr otherwise. All my
unprimed aluminum should conduct electrons just fine. I am using an alodine
pen from SteinAir. I will install forest of tabs behind the panel.
Use nylon wire ties per plans and run your strobe shielded cable(3-16ga) and
tail nav lt wire 18 ga inside lower left stiffener. When exiting the
stiffiner use a 2-3" piece of spiral wrap. I also use ms clamps/standoff
brackets. I also use stick on/rivet on wire tie mounts(ACS). I used heat
shrink where it passed through rear bulkhead to go into bottom rundder
fairing. I also drilled hole to lower left of vs spar so that vs could be
installed and removed while wiring was in place. Deburr hole edges with 320
grit really well. Run spiral wrap around wiring to tail light/strobe if
desired. Tefzel wiring is very good and flexible unless your flying in the
artic. Try lighting it on fire next to a cheap piece of pvc wiring and note
smoke emmitted.
I ran rg-400 and pitch trim cable up right side in same place/same way.
Use a new #2 bit and do it by hand with alot of pressure.
Happy New Year.
--------
Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08 Bldr# 40983 SB Fuselage 9/21/10-
Sec 35 Access covers and floor panels.
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| Subject: | Re: Miscellaneous end of year questions |
Dave has some good ideas there. Thank you. Going to visit you someday out there.
Kearney, A single wire or even a few might do fine doing the coil method, but I
installed the Whelen gray cable(3- 16ga w/shield) and there is no way to coil
that without removing the outer jacket/shield.
You won't have to worry about the spiral wrap anywhere we fly. We used this on
many military aircraft.
My spiral wrap specs: PTFE (TFE, Polytetrafluoroethylene) -450 F to +500 F. Chemically
inert and non-flammable. Standard color is Natural. Black and other colors
available.
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Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08
Bldr# 40983 SB
Fuselage 9/21/10- Sec 35 Access covers and
floor panels.
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| Subject: | Re: FlightPrep Lawsuit |
Looks like the idiots at FlightCrap(prep) have been now targeting
the news organizations. It's no wonder we haven't really heard
a huge uproar from the normal news channels (AvWeb/AOPA/EAA and so
on)...they're chicken from posting news about their advertisers.
Thank goodness there are still some people who aren't sold out
to their advertizers...but it sounds like FlightPrep gets pretty
nasty. Check this link:
http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?contentBlockId=9895d80b-2471-4710-bac5-a87c37210ce7
Maybe with luck, 2011 will be the last year of their existance
and the rest of the industry will flourish.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
On 12/24/2010 10:20 AM, Pascal wrote:
>
> looks like Duats has a solution for this-
> http://www.seattleavionics.com/default.aspx
> P
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "cjay" <cgfinney@yahoo.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 8:20 PM
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: FlightPrep Lawsuit
>
>>
>> As a software engineer and pilot, flightprep has no case,
>> unfortunately it will require $$$ for runwayfinder to beat this
>> unlawful money grab by flightprep in our inept legal system.
>>
>> boycottflightprep.com
>>
>> cjay
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=324176#324176
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| Subject: | Re: Miscellaneous end of year questions |
There is nothing about the remove/reinstall process that will influence
whether the tanks leak or don't. None of the attach hardware penetrates the
sealed area.
On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 8:55 AM, DLM <dlm34077@q.com> wrote:
> If the tanks/wings were QB and tested by Vans, why take them off now
> before flight and risk causing a leak. tanks can be removed after wing
> installation; hence after phase I if necessary. I flushed with mineral
> spirits to get the bits of proseal out and flew. No leaks or clogs after
375
> hours. Only two tiny specks in the fuel filter screen when checked at 300
> hours.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Les Kearney <kearney@shaw.ca>
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 01, 2011 8:38 AM
> *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: Miscellaneous end of year questions
>
> Hi Bruce
>
> I want to inspect / flush the tankxs for leaks before I start flying (and
> wing install). It would seem this would be easier and more effective with
> the tanks off.
>
> Cheers
>
> Les
> #40643
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Bruce Johnson
> *Sent:* December-31-10 10:22 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Miscellaneous end of year questions
>
> Not really, I am still flying my 40 off. They started leaking as soon as
> I started filling the tanks full.
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* DLM <dlm34077@q.com>
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Fri, December 31, 2010 7:46:25 PM
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Miscellaneous end of year questions
>
> =EF=BB
> Are your passengers standing on any part of the tank when
> loading/unloading?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Bruce Johnson <bruce1hwjohnson@yahoo.com>
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Friday, December 31, 2010 6:53 PM
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Miscellaneous end of year questions
>
> Just out of curiosity, why are you taking the tanks out? I'm afraid I am
> going to have to take mine out as they are leaking from the outlet port a
nd
> the sealant is getting real gummy. They are also quick built.
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* "davidsoutpost@comcast.net" <davidsoutpost@comcast.net>
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Fri, December 31, 2010 4:10:34 PM
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Miscellaneous end of year questions
>
> I use a thermal wire striper for striping wire. They are a bit expensive
> but you can sometimes find one on eBay for a decent price. No worries of
> nicking wires with these:
> http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=stripall+wire+stripers&hl=en
&client=firefox-a&hs=P4T&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&prmd=ivns&r
esnum=3&biw=1366&bih=587&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=1185846266203347523&
sa=X&ei=WGAeTaqzEcj9nAfi2qz_DQ&ved=0CEsQ8gIwAQ#
> Do yourself a favor and order a couple hundred of the SS Torx drive 100*
> screws from these guys,,,,,,no more fooling around with stripped Phillips
> head screws:
> http://www.microfasteners.com/catalog/standard.cfm?Category=SSC&SubCate
gory=FCMXS
>
> David Clifford
>
> RV-10 Builder
> 65% Done-95% To Go
> N849RV (reserved)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Les Kearney" <kearney@shaw.ca>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 1:45:20 PM
> Subject: RV10-List: Miscellaneous end of year questions
>
> Hi
>
> As I embark on a new adventure - wiring, I have a couple of questions for
> those who know their electrons.
>
> My wire strippers don't seen to work very well on the fine Tefzel wires o
f
> the RayAllen servos. Can anyone give me the name / model of a good brand
of
> wire strippers that will handle these wires? I suspect this will be an
> ongoing issue.
>
> I notice in the plans (OP37-16) that the tail light ground is on the aft
> tail cone F1012 bulkhead. My plan was to run dedicated grounds back to th
e
> firewall ground block. Is there any issue (ground loops) with following t
he
> plans? Is a dedicated ground preferable? If a dedicated ground is preferr
ed,
> is there any issue with gathering grounds to a common point (were practic
al)
> and then running a single dedicated ground back to the firewall ground
> block?
>
> As I run wires to the rudder (as per the pans), what is the best way to
> protect these wires from the elements, prevent chaffing and cracking? My
> concern is that these wires may lose flexibility in cold weather but then
> again this may be a misplaced concern.
>
> On the mechanical side, I am stumped over how to remove the tanks on my Q
B
> wings. The screws seem to be very well set and I don't think I can remove
> them without stripping the heads. Is there any trick to removing these
> screws (WD40 etc)?
>
> Inquiring minds need to know
>
> Happy New Year
>
> Les #40643
>
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| Subject: | Re: FlightPrep Lawsuit |
This reminds me of the Apple vs Microsoft lawsuit over a 'Windows GUI'..
The courts ruled against Microsoft, seems like a similar situation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Computer,_Inc._v._Microsoft_Corporation
Happy New Year
Deems
On 1/1/2011 10:51 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> Looks like the idiots at FlightCrap(prep) have been now targeting
> the news organizations. It's no wonder we haven't really heard
> a huge uproar from the normal news channels (AvWeb/AOPA/EAA and so
> on)...they're chicken from posting news about their advertisers.
> Thank goodness there are still some people who aren't sold out
> to their advertizers...but it sounds like FlightPrep gets pretty
> nasty. Check this link:
>
> http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?contentBlockId=9895d80b-2471-4710-bac5-a87c37210ce7
>
>
> Maybe with luck, 2011 will be the last year of their existance
> and the rest of the industry will flourish.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>
>
> On 12/24/2010 10:20 AM, Pascal wrote:
>>
>> looks like Duats has a solution for this-
>> http://www.seattleavionics.com/default.aspx
>> P
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "cjay" <cgfinney@yahoo.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 8:20 PM
>> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: RV10-List: Re: FlightPrep Lawsuit
>>
>>>
>>> As a software engineer and pilot, flightprep has no case,
>>> unfortunately it will require $$$ for runwayfinder to beat this
>>> unlawful money grab by flightprep in our inept legal system.
>>>
>>> boycottflightprep.com
>>>
>>> cjay
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=324176#324176
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
--
Deems Davis
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| Subject: | Fuel Tank Sealing |
I am about to embark upon the ProSeal adventure and have been scanning
the archives to learn about the process. I still have some questions
that I would like to pose with respect to updates and technique.
1. I purchased my ProSeal in July with an expiration date of 1/11. I
have kept it in the refrigerator since purchase. I assume I will be OK
if I use it this month.
2. Applicators seem to range from plastic bags to syringes and cake
decorators. What works best?
3. What are the tricky areas to watch for?
4. Do you have any recommendations on technique?
5. What precautions should I take?
6. What works best for cleaning up tools?
Dave
--
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Dave Fritzsche
40813
Puyallup, WA
Wings in progress
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank Sealing |
Dave,
One idea I really liked (after I did my tanks) was to assemble the tanks up
to but not including the rear baffle. Let the proseal fully cure and test
the tanks for leaks using fluid. This way you can easily fix any rivet or
rib leaks with the whole back baffle off. After you are satisfied you
completely finish the tank and leak check again. The rear baffle seams
easier to seal since you rivet on the outside of the flange anyway.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Fritzsche (Building)" <fritzsch@eskimo.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 3:02 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Fuel Tank Sealing
> <fritzsch@eskimo.com>
>
> I am about to embark upon the ProSeal adventure and have been scanning the
> archives to learn about the process. I still have some questions that I
> would like to pose with respect to updates and technique.
>
> 1. I purchased my ProSeal in July with an expiration date of 1/11. I
> have kept it in the refrigerator since purchase. I assume I will be OK if
> I use it this month.
> 2. Applicators seem to range from plastic bags to syringes and cake
> decorators. What works best?
> 3. What are the tricky areas to watch for?
> 4. Do you have any recommendations on technique?
> 5. What precautions should I take?
> 6. What works best for cleaning up tools?
>
> Dave
>
> --
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Dave Fritzsche
> 40813
> Puyallup, WA
> Wings in progress
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank Sealing |
Your proseal should be just fine. In fact, a year from now it
will likely be just fine, if you keep it in the freezer.
I kept mine in the deep freezer. Years later it still works
well.
The applicator that works best is the one that you
personally can use the easiest. I found bags hard to load,
but if you're careful, or if you have help, it should be
easy. Depends on number of hands. I used things like
popsicle sticks a lot...in 2 sizes. Cake decorators wouldn't
be bad, but you're going to need lots, so cost might
keep that option down in some cases. The proseal tubes
can be the easiest, with the gun, but it'll cost more, too.
The cans are nice to mix small batches for small projects.
Wear gloves.
MEK can help clean the tools....along with elbow grease.
Again, wear gloves.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
On 1/1/2011 4:02 PM, Dave Fritzsche (Building) wrote:
> <fritzsch@eskimo.com>
>
> I am about to embark upon the ProSeal adventure and have been scanning
> the archives to learn about the process. I still have some questions
> that I would like to pose with respect to updates and technique.
>
> 1. I purchased my ProSeal in July with an expiration date of 1/11. I
> have kept it in the refrigerator since purchase. I assume I will be OK
> if I use it this month.
> 2. Applicators seem to range from plastic bags to syringes and cake
> decorators. What works best?
> 3. What are the tricky areas to watch for?
> 4. Do you have any recommendations on technique?
> 5. What precautions should I take?
> 6. What works best for cleaning up tools?
>
> Dave
>
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| Subject: | Re: FlightPrep Lawsuit |
Hopefully Flightprep closes down with the launch of their new software BankruptcyPrep.
On Jan 1, 2011, at 10:51 AM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>
> Looks like the idiots at FlightCrap(prep) have been now targeting
> the news organizations. It's no wonder we haven't really heard
> a huge uproar from the normal news channels (AvWeb/AOPA/EAA and so
> on)...they're chicken from posting news about their advertisers.
> Thank goodness there are still some people who aren't sold out
> to their advertizers...but it sounds like FlightPrep gets pretty
> nasty. Check this link:
>
> http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?contentBlockId=9895d80b-2471-4710-bac5-a87c37210ce7
>
> Maybe with luck, 2011 will be the last year of their existance
> and the rest of the industry will flourish.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>
>
>
> On 12/24/2010 10:20 AM, Pascal wrote:
>>
>> looks like Duats has a solution for this-
>> http://www.seattleavionics.com/default.aspx
>> P
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "cjay" <cgfinney@yahoo.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 8:20 PM
>> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: RV10-List: Re: FlightPrep Lawsuit
>>
>>>
>>> As a software engineer and pilot, flightprep has no case,
>>> unfortunately it will require $$$ for runwayfinder to beat this
>>> unlawful money grab by flightprep in our inept legal system.
>>>
>>> boycottflightprep.com
>>>
>>> cjay
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=324176#324176
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Fuel Tank Sealing |
Dave,
Some thoughts:
1. Take a wire brush (tooth brush size) and rough up all rib to skin, rib
to baffle, skin to baffle contact areas. Clean with lacquer thinner when
done.
2. To mix the proseal, I used an old balance scale to weigh out the parts,
then used two popsicle sticks chucked in a cordless drill to mix.
3. I used tough depressor sized sticks (available at your local craft
store) to put a layer on each rib - like icing a cake. Do not apply to the
aft edge (baffle edge) until all the ribs are in and riveted.
4. As you finish riveting the rib to the skin, take an acid brush and put
proseal on top of each shop head as well as along the rib to skin
intersection. If you put enough proseal on during the first step you should
just be taking the excess that is squeezed out and smoothing it out. I used
standard acid brushes but cut down to about 1/4" long. This made them stiff
enough to move the proseal.
5. The rear baffle plate tends to be where people have problems. Put a
layer of proseal on the aft edge of each rib (like step #1), making sure you
put extra dollops in the corners. Put a layer on the top and bottom skins
where the baffle will sit, and put a layer on the top/bottom baffle flange
as well. As you put in the baffle, check that you have proseal squeezing
out of each rivet hole. Rivet the baffle with proseal under each rivet
head.
6. On the fuel sender, put proseal on each side of the sending unit gasket
and under the sender mount screw heads. Don't forget to put in a ground
wire under one of the screw heads so that the sender has a ground. Ground
at the firewall. Photo attached.
7. Put proseal on the tank fittings - on the inside of the tank. Do this
before you put in the baffle. You want the proseal between the rib and the
fitting, as well as on the fitting nuts to prevent anything from backing
out.
8. Clean up with epoxy lacquer thinner (standard Lowes stuff). Mineral
spirits or paint thinner is not strong enough. Don't get too carried away
as you could wash out the proseal from under the rivet heads. Try to keep
the cloth only damp when cleaning up around the rivets.
9. Where gloves and change frequently to minimize cleanup later.
10. One can of proseal will probably not be enough to do both tanks.
Carl Froehlich
RV-8A (600 hrs)
RV-10 (finished plenum today)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Fritzsche
(Building)
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 5:02 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Fuel Tank Sealing
<fritzsch@eskimo.com>
I am about to embark upon the ProSeal adventure and have been scanning
the archives to learn about the process. I still have some questions
that I would like to pose with respect to updates and technique.
1. I purchased my ProSeal in July with an expiration date of 1/11. I
have kept it in the refrigerator since purchase. I assume I will be OK
if I use it this month.
2. Applicators seem to range from plastic bags to syringes and cake
decorators. What works best?
3. What are the tricky areas to watch for?
4. Do you have any recommendations on technique?
5. What precautions should I take?
6. What works best for cleaning up tools?
Dave
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dave Fritzsche
40813
Puyallup, WA
Wings in progress
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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| Subject: | Re: FlightPrep Lawsuit |
if no one buys I think they will crash and burn.
Stopping at flightprep is not enough make a point to tell DUATS that you are
no longer using their flightprep product http://www.duats.com/cirrus.shtml
and instead moving to DUAT where voyager is run, or AOPA.
Same goes for ASA products. When all avenues are shutdown there will no
longer be a business need for them.
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@myrv10.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: FlightPrep Lawsuit
>
> Looks like the idiots at FlightCrap(prep) have been now targeting
> the news organizations. It's no wonder we haven't really heard
> a huge uproar from the normal news channels (AvWeb/AOPA/EAA and so
> on)...they're chicken from posting news about their advertisers.
> Thank goodness there are still some people who aren't sold out
> to their advertizers...but it sounds like FlightPrep gets pretty
> nasty. Check this link:
>
> http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?contentBlockId=9895d80b-2471-4710-bac5-a87c37210ce7
>
> Maybe with luck, 2011 will be the last year of their existance
> and the rest of the industry will flourish.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>
>
> On 12/24/2010 10:20 AM, Pascal wrote:
>>
>> looks like Duats has a solution for this-
>> http://www.seattleavionics.com/default.aspx
>> P
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "cjay" <cgfinney@yahoo.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 8:20 PM
>> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: RV10-List: Re: FlightPrep Lawsuit
>>
>>>
>>> As a software engineer and pilot, flightprep has no case,
>>> unfortunately it will require $$$ for runwayfinder to beat this
>>> unlawful money grab by flightprep in our inept legal system.
>>>
>>> boycottflightprep.com
>>>
>>> cjay
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=324176#324176
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: FlightPrep Lawsuit |
I think the list may be missing the point. Flightprep doesn't care if
they're still in business .... the income would be from the licenses and
royalties ..... because they'll attack the little guys first who'll
either buy licenses or disappear .... and then they'll move up the food
chain until someone fights the patent in court ..... and who knows how
that will turn out.
Linn
On 1/1/2011 8:10 PM, Pascal wrote:
>
> if no one buys I think they will crash and burn.
> Stopping at flightprep is not enough make a point to tell DUATS that
> you are no longer using their flightprep product
> http://www.duats.com/cirrus.shtml and instead moving to DUAT where
> voyager is run, or AOPA.
> Same goes for ASA products. When all avenues are shutdown there will
> no longer be a business need for them.
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@myrv10.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 9:51 AM
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: FlightPrep Lawsuit
>
>>
>> Looks like the idiots at FlightCrap(prep) have been now targeting
>> the news organizations. It's no wonder we haven't really heard
>> a huge uproar from the normal news channels (AvWeb/AOPA/EAA and so
>> on)...they're chicken from posting news about their advertisers.
>> Thank goodness there are still some people who aren't sold out
>> to their advertizers...but it sounds like FlightPrep gets pretty
>> nasty. Check this link:
>>
>> http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?contentBlockId=9895d80b-2471-4710-bac5-a87c37210ce7
>>
>>
>> Maybe with luck, 2011 will be the last year of their existance
>> and the rest of the industry will flourish.
>>
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/24/2010 10:20 AM, Pascal wrote:
>>>
>>> looks like Duats has a solution for this-
>>> http://www.seattleavionics.com/default.aspx
>>> P
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "cjay" <cgfinney@yahoo.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 8:20 PM
>>> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>>> Subject: RV10-List: Re: FlightPrep Lawsuit
>>>
>>>>
>>>> As a software engineer and pilot, flightprep has no case,
>>>> unfortunately it will require $$$ for runwayfinder to beat this
>>>> unlawful money grab by flightprep in our inept legal system.
>>>>
>>>> boycottflightprep.com
>>>>
>>>> cjay
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=324176#324176
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank Sealing |
I used almost one full can per tank. I thinned with 5% toluene by weight(max 15%)
for brushing on shop heads and joints before installing baffle. I used about
150 pairs of nitrile gloves, mek for cleaning, respirator plus good ventilation.
I used small and large popsicle sticks. Tested to 1 psi after one week of
curing using electronic manometer. Have fun!
--------
Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08
Bldr# 40983 SB
Fuselage 9/21/10- Sec 35 Access covers and
floor panels.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325250#325250
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| Subject: | Re: FlightPrep Lawsuit |
This whole thing reminds me of Apples lawsuit against Microsoft about a
'Windows GUI" the courts ruled against Apple in that case (it took 4
years in court)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Computer,_Inc._v._Microsoft_Corporation
Deems
On 1/1/2011 6:51 PM, Linn Walters wrote:
>
> I think the list may be missing the point. Flightprep doesn't care if
> they're still in business .... the income would be from the licenses
> and royalties ..... because they'll attack the little guys first
> who'll either buy licenses or disappear .... and then they'll move up
> the food chain until someone fights the patent in court ..... and who
> knows how that will turn out.
> Linn
>
> On 1/1/2011 8:10 PM, Pascal wrote:
>>
>> if no one buys I think they will crash and burn.
>> Stopping at flightprep is not enough make a point to tell DUATS that
>> you are no longer using their flightprep product
>> http://www.duats.com/cirrus.shtml and instead moving to DUAT where
>> voyager is run, or AOPA.
>> Same goes for ASA products. When all avenues are shutdown there will
>> no longer be a business need for them.
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@myrv10.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 9:51 AM
>> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: FlightPrep Lawsuit
>>
>>>
>>> Looks like the idiots at FlightCrap(prep) have been now targeting
>>> the news organizations. It's no wonder we haven't really heard
>>> a huge uproar from the normal news channels (AvWeb/AOPA/EAA and so
>>> on)...they're chicken from posting news about their advertisers.
>>> Thank goodness there are still some people who aren't sold out
>>> to their advertizers...but it sounds like FlightPrep gets pretty
>>> nasty. Check this link:
>>>
>>> http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?contentBlockId=9895d80b-2471-4710-bac5-a87c37210ce7
>>>
>>>
>>> Maybe with luck, 2011 will be the last year of their existance
>>> and the rest of the industry will flourish.
>>>
>>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/24/2010 10:20 AM, Pascal wrote:
>>>>
>>>> looks like Duats has a solution for this-
>>>> http://www.seattleavionics.com/default.aspx
>>>> P
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>> From: "cjay" <cgfinney@yahoo.com>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 8:20 PM
>>>> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>>>> Subject: RV10-List: Re: FlightPrep Lawsuit
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> As a software engineer and pilot, flightprep has no case,
>>>>> unfortunately it will require $$$ for runwayfinder to beat this
>>>>> unlawful money grab by flightprep in our inept legal system.
>>>>>
>>>>> boycottflightprep.com
>>>>>
>>>>> cjay
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=324176#324176
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
--
Deems Davis
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| Subject: | Re: FlightPrep Lawsuit |
FYI, I don't know what is going on with the mailing list or your email
client, but your emails are showing up as blank in gmail...
Chris
On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 6:34 PM, Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net> wrote:
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: FlightPrep Lawsuit |
Yeah, I figured this would be their plan....maybe they're sinking
as it is, so this is their last-ditch effort. Anyway, with luck,
they'll have cut off their cash source and perhaps it won't be
so appealing to hire lawyers if they risk losing everything
over it.
If I were in their shoes, I'd be doing an about-face right
about now, and offer the "licensed technology" for free to
all users, and apologize to the industry and then do whatever
I could to bring my reputation back. Wonder how long it will
take for them to get to that point?
I'll post Deems's and Chris's emails next. I see their
email client is sending stuff again, but it's being embedded
in a way that's making it unreadable to us.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 1/1/2011 7:51 PM, Linn Walters wrote:
>
> I think the list may be missing the point. Flightprep doesn't care if
> they're still in business .... the income would be from the licenses and
> royalties ..... because they'll attack the little guys first who'll
> either buy licenses or disappear .... and then they'll move up the food
> chain until someone fights the patent in court ..... and who knows how
> that will turn out.
> Linn
>
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| Subject: | Re: FlightPrep Lawsuit |
And here is Chris's:
FYI, I don't know what is going on with the mailing list or your email
client, but your emails are showing up as blank in gmail...
Chris
Tim
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| Subject: | Re: FlightPrep Lawsuit |
This is Deems's email:
This whole thing reminds me of Apples lawsuit against Microsoft about a
'Windows GUI" the courts ruled against Apple in that case (it took 4
years in court)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Computer,_Inc._v._Microsoft_Corporation
Deems
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: FlightPrep Lawsuit |
Chris;
it's your Gmail.
Did this work for you?
From: Deems Davis
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: FlightPrep Lawsuit
This whole thing reminds me of Apples lawsuit against Microsoft about a
'Windows GUI" the courts ruled against Apple in that case (it took 4
years in court)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Computer,_Inc._v._Microsoft_Corporatio
n
Deems
On 1/1/2011 6:51 PM, Linn Walters wrote:
I think the list may be missing the point. Flightprep doesn't care if
they're still in business .... the income would be from the licenses and
royalties ..... because they'll attack the little guys first who'll
either buy licenses or disappear .... and then they'll move up the food
chain until someone fights the patent in court ..... and who knows how
that will turn out.
Linn
On 1/1/2011 8:10 PM, Pascal wrote:
if no one buys I think they will crash and burn.
Stopping at flightprep is not enough make a point to tell DUATS that
you are no longer using their flightprep product
http://www.duats.com/cirrus.shtml and instead moving to DUAT where
voyager is run, or AOPA.
Same goes for ASA products. When all avenues are shutdown there will
no longer be a business need for them.
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@myrv10.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 9:51 AM
To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: FlightPrep Lawsuit
Looks like the idiots at FlightCrap(prep) have been now targeting
the news organizations. It's no wonder we haven't really heard
a huge uproar from the normal news channels (AvWeb/AOPA/EAA and so
on)...they're chicken from posting news about their advertisers.
Thank goodness there are still some people who aren't sold out
to their advertizers...but it sounds like FlightPrep gets pretty
nasty. Check this link:
http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?contentBlockId=9895d80b-2471-4710-ba
c5-a87c37210ce7
Maybe with luck, 2011 will be the last year of their existance
and the rest of the industry will flourish.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
On 12/24/2010 10:20 AM, Pascal wrote:
<rv10builder@verizon.net>
looks like Duats has a solution for this-
http://www.seattleavionics.com/default.aspx
P
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From: "cjay" <cgfinney@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 8:20 PM
To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
Subject: RV10-List: Re: FlightPrep Lawsuit
As a software engineer and pilot, flightprep has no case,
unfortunately it will require $$$ for runwayfinder to beat
this
unlawful money grab by flightprep in our inept legal system.
boycottflightprep.com
cjay
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=324176#324176
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Deems Davis
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| Subject: | Re: FlightPrep Lawsuit |
Well, the big guys aren't biting and if no one buys from any Flightprep run
businesses, hence my suggesting telling DUATS you wont support them,
Flightprep will have nothing.
I agree it may go down to the patent in court but if folks stick to their
words it doesn't matter how Flightprep plans to make money if no one buys
the software indirectly. Seattle avionics has an alternative that is not
impacted by the patent, so already there are options that will work.
If no one buys Flightprep, they will go down as spending a whole lot of
money on a patent/lawyers and have nothing to support them in business.
Personally, they should have done this the right way. Use the money to
develop better software and Flightprep would have done just fine. Instead
they wimped out and decided to remove competition to force people to settle
for what they have.
The consumer decides who gets their business, many don't care about
Flightprep, but most do, if DUATS gave up their licensing/royalties to
flightprep due to losing their clients, it WOULD make a difference. Same
goes for ASA, there are numerous other options to ASA training videos.
The only point I know I am going to be missing is that of pointing my
computer to any Flightprep run software based company.
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From: "Linn Walters" <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: FlightPrep Lawsuit
>
> I think the list may be missing the point. Flightprep doesn't care if
> they're still in business .... the income would be from the licenses and
> royalties ..... because they'll attack the little guys first who'll either
> buy licenses or disappear .... and then they'll move up the food chain
> until someone fights the patent in court ..... and who knows how that will
> turn out.
> Linn
>
> On 1/1/2011 8:10 PM, Pascal wrote:
>>
>> if no one buys I think they will crash and burn.
>> Stopping at flightprep is not enough make a point to tell DUATS that you
>> are no longer using their flightprep product
>> http://www.duats.com/cirrus.shtml and instead moving to DUAT where
>> voyager is run, or AOPA.
>> Same goes for ASA products. When all avenues are shutdown there will no
>> longer be a business need for them.
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@myrv10.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 9:51 AM
>> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: FlightPrep Lawsuit
>>
>>>
>>> Looks like the idiots at FlightCrap(prep) have been now targeting
>>> the news organizations. It's no wonder we haven't really heard
>>> a huge uproar from the normal news channels (AvWeb/AOPA/EAA and so
>>> on)...they're chicken from posting news about their advertisers.
>>> Thank goodness there are still some people who aren't sold out
>>> to their advertizers...but it sounds like FlightPrep gets pretty
>>> nasty. Check this link:
>>>
>>> http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?contentBlockId=9895d80b-2471-4710-bac5-a87c37210ce7
>>>
>>> Maybe with luck, 2011 will be the last year of their existance
>>> and the rest of the industry will flourish.
>>>
>>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/24/2010 10:20 AM, Pascal wrote:
>>>>
>>>> looks like Duats has a solution for this-
>>>> http://www.seattleavionics.com/default.aspx
>>>> P
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>> From: "cjay" <cgfinney@yahoo.com>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 8:20 PM
>>>> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>>>> Subject: RV10-List: Re: FlightPrep Lawsuit
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> As a software engineer and pilot, flightprep has no case,
>>>>> unfortunately it will require $$$ for runwayfinder to beat this
>>>>> unlawful money grab by flightprep in our inept legal system.
>>>>>
>>>>> boycottflightprep.com
>>>>>
>>>>> cjay
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=324176#324176
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: FlightPrep Lawsuit |
Huh. My emails complaining about others being invisible show up invisible
themselves? Ironic. :-)
Perhaps it only hits me when I reply to an invisible email. Is this one
visible?
Chris
On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 7:28 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>
> Yeah, I figured this would be their plan....maybe they're sinking
> as it is, so this is their last-ditch effort. Anyway, with luck,
> they'll have cut off their cash source and perhaps it won't be
> so appealing to hire lawyers if they risk losing everything
> over it.
>
> If I were in their shoes, I'd be doing an about-face right
> about now, and offer the "licensed technology" for free to
> all users, and apologize to the industry and then do whatever
> I could to bring my reputation back. Wonder how long it will
> take for them to get to that point?
>
> I'll post Deems's and Chris's emails next. I see their
> email client is sending stuff again, but it's being embedded
> in a way that's making it unreadable to us.
>
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
> do not archive
>
>
> On 1/1/2011 7:51 PM, Linn Walters wrote:
>
>>
>> I think the list may be missing the point. Flightprep doesn't care if
>> they're still in business .... the income would be from the licenses and
>> royalties ..... because they'll attack the little guys first who'll
>> either buy licenses or disappear .... and then they'll move up the food
>> chain until someone fights the patent in court ..... and who knows how
>> that will turn out.
>> Linn
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Alternate Air |
RV10-List: Alternate Air intake
I'm sure some of you have flown the Mooney with the "Ram Air" door in the
nose, pulled open gained about 2" MP @ cruise, look at most injected
production planes, sucker doors in the inlet somewhere in case filter gets
plugged. All sorts of ideas that work excellent. Personally over 25000 hours,
still instructing my comment if your air filter freezes over that is the
least of your problems, if I recall you can't legally fly in icing
conditions anyway, and your wings will shortly lose lift to support you. Be safe
live a long life,
Elbie Mendenhall EAA 38308
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| Subject: | Official RV10-List Usage Guidelines |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the RV10-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
RV10-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/RV10-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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RV10-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the RV10-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the RV10-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
RV10-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the RV10-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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