---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 01/02/11: 26 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:11 AM - Slickstart module location (jchang10) 2. 05:50 AM - rudder pedal extensions (Alan Mekler) 3. 06:14 AM - Re: rudder pedal extensions (Tim Olson) 4. 08:48 AM - Re: rudder pedal extensions (Alan Mekler) 5. 10:36 AM - Re: Slickstart module location (Dave Saylor) 6. 11:02 AM - Canada Sectionals Online (Scott Schmidt) 7. 12:30 PM - Re: Canada Sectionals Online (Les Kearney) 8. 12:58 PM - baggage door spring or strut (Pascal) 9. 01:34 PM - Re: Re: Alternate Air (Kelly McMullen) 10. 02:08 PM - Re: Miscellaneous end of year questions (Bill Watson) 11. 02:15 PM - Re: Re: Alternate Air (Linn Walters) 12. 02:15 PM - Re: Slickstart module location (Bill Watson) 13. 02:25 PM - Re: Miscellaneous end of year questions (woxofswa) 14. 03:12 PM - Re: baggage door spring or strut (g.combs) 15. 03:24 PM - Re: baggage door spring or strut (g.combs) 16. 03:25 PM - Re: baggage door spring or strut (Ron B.) 17. 03:33 PM - Re: Canada Sectionals Online (Ron B.) 18. 04:13 PM - Re: Canada Sectionals Online (Rick Lark) 19. 04:44 PM - Re: Slickstart module location (jchang10) 20. 04:44 PM - Re: Re: Alternate Air (Jack Phillips) 21. 06:43 PM - Re: Re: Slickstart module location (Dave Saylor) 22. 06:49 PM - Re: Canada Sectionals Online (Tim Olson) 23. 06:52 PM - Re: Re: Slickstart module location (Kelly McMullen) 24. 07:54 PM - Re: Re: Slickstart module location (Jae Chang) 25. 08:02 PM - Re: Re: Slickstart module location (Kelly McMullen) 26. 08:19 PM - Re: Re: Slickstart module location (Kevin Belue) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:11:47 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Slickstart module location From: "jchang10" For those of you with the Slickstart module, where did you end up installing it? I already have stuff on the left top of the firewall. The center top of the firewall might interfere with accessing the oil filter. Thus, the right top is seemingly the best choice for me. Just curious what others have done. Not sure what Van's did on their demo machine either. http://www.myrv10.com/N610RV/undercowl/P0003082.html Jae 40533 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325278#325278 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:50:44 AM PST US From: "Alan Mekler" Subject: RV10-List: rudder pedal extensions Does anyone make a rudder pedal extension? My wife is only 5 feet tall and can't reach the pedals. I tried making a 4inch extension but it interfered with the brakes. Alan N668G ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:14:38 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: rudder pedal extensions http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20090503/index.html These are really crude and could be refined well with some effort. I painte d them and have left them in almost all the time for I guess 1.5 years now. They don't interfere with the brakes but that's because I built them in suc h a way that they wouldn't. They basically only touch the pedal surface...no t anything else. I still have to pull them and drill some lightening holes some day, and mayb e fill some gaps with wood putty for cosmetics. Tim On Jan 2, 2011, at 7:41 AM, "Alan Mekler" wrote: > Does anyone make a rudder pedal extension? My wife is only 5 feet tall and can=99t reach the pedals. I tried making a 4inch extension but it int erfered with the brakes. > > Alan > > N668G > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:48:23 AM PST US From: "Alan Mekler" Subject: RE: RV10-List: rudder pedal extensions Tim, I had some made out of aluminum and mounted with a backing plate though the original holes in the pedals. They seemed to work fine but were not long enough so I had a welded extension piece added to the bottom. I put them on and noticed the brakes were locked engaged. Looking for a better solution. I'll send you some pictures next time I'm down at the hangar. Alan _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 9:13 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: rudder pedal extensions http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20090503/index.html These are really crude and could be refined well with some effort. I painted them and have left them in almost all the time for I guess 1.5 years now. They don't interfere with the brakes but that's because I built them in such a way that they wouldn't. They basically only touch the pedal surface...not anything else. I still have to pull them and drill some lightening holes some day, and maybe fill some gaps with wood putty for cosmetics. Tim On Jan 2, 2011, at 7:41 AM, "Alan Mekler" wrote: Does anyone make a rudder pedal extension? My wife is only 5 feet tall and can't reach the pedals. I tried making a 4inch extension but it interfered with the brakes. Alan N668G ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:36:11 AM PST US From: Dave Saylor Subject: Re: RV10-List: Slickstart module location It can go just about anywhere. We've put them on the firewall, adel-clamped to engine mount, behind the panel, etc. It's not too critical. Dave Saylor AirCrafters 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 95076 831-722-9141 Shop 831-750-0284 Cell On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 1:09 AM, jchang10 wrote: > > For those of you with the Slickstart module, where did you end up installing it? I already have stuff on the left top of the firewall. The center top of the firewall might interfere with accessing the oil filter. Thus, the right top is seemingly the best choice for me. > > Just curious what others have done. Not sure what Van's did on their demo machine either. > > http://www.myrv10.com/N610RV/undercowl/P0003082.html > > Jae > 40533 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325278#325278 > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:02:15 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Canada Sectionals Online From: Scott Schmidt I know there are quite a few Rv'ers in Canada and we may take the RV into Canada next year and was wondering if any of you knew if Canadian VFR charts were available online like Skyvector or Runwayfinder. That is if the Internet has reached Canada yet? J/K I found some links where this question was asked but it just took me to a site that offers the charts for sale. Thanks, Scott ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:30:11 PM PST US From: "Les Kearney" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Canada Sectionals Online Hi Scott What is this "internet thing". I heard someone named Gore invented it, along with global warming. In Canada we don't use aviation maps, we just follow the roads and railways and use auto club maps... That being said, I don't know of any place where you can get Canadian aviation maps online. If you want, I can get the maps you need and send them to you. In Canada we have the Canadian Flight Supplement (similar to the US AF/D) which lists all airports in Canada (last count I think there were six or seven). We also have the CAP (Canada Air Pilot) which contains all our instrument approaches (my favorite is the cat and duck approach). This comes in several editions, each covering a different area in Canada. We also have Low Level Enroute charts used for IFR but also handy for flight planning. Customs in Canada is a lot less stressful than in the US. The CanPass system is a breeze. You will need to deal with Eapis on your re-entry into the states however. I hope you are getting all the TSA security you seem to be buying.... When visiting here, keep in mind that our firearm restrictions are significant so leave the guns at home. I only mention this as I know of people who have had problems with handguns etc when coming into Canada. This is more than you asked for but it may help in your planning. If I can be of help, feel free to drop me a note directly. If you are in Edmonton (Alberta) I could even find a bed or two for you. Cheers Les -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Schmidt Sent: January-02-11 11:59 AM Subject: RV10-List: Canada Sectionals Online I know there are quite a few Rv'ers in Canada and we may take the RV into Canada next year and was wondering if any of you knew if Canadian VFR charts were available online like Skyvector or Runwayfinder. That is if the Internet has reached Canada yet? J/K I found some links where this question was asked but it just took me to a site that offers the charts for sale. Thanks, Scott ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:58:24 PM PST US From: "Pascal" Subject: RV10-List: baggage door spring or strut What have others done for the baggage door to keep it open? Thanks! Pascal ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:34:27 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Alternate Air From: Kelly McMullen The Mooney Ram Air is in NO way an alternate air. In fact it is prohibited from use in precipitation. There is a separate alternate air door that is spring loaded, automatic operation whenever intake suction overcomes the spring. On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 10:56 PM, wrote: > RV10-List: Alternate Air intake > > I'm sure some of you have flown the Mooney with the "Ram Air" door in the > nose, pulled open gained about 2" MP @ cruise, look at most injected > production planes, sucker doors in the inlet somewhere in case filter gets > plugged. All sorts of ideas that work excellent. Personally over 25000 > hours, still instructing my comment if your air filter freezes over that is > the least of your problems, if I recall you can't legally fly in icing > conditions anyway, and your wings will shortly lose lift to support you. Be > safe live a long life, > Elbie Mendenhall EAA 38308 > > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:08:50 PM PST US From: Bill Watson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Miscellaneous end of year questions 2 more observations.... > > My wire strippers don't seen to work very well on the fine Tefzel > wires of the RayAllen servos. Can anyone give me the name / model of a > good brand of wire strippers that will handle these wires? I suspect > this will be an ongoing issue. > I had the same problem with the RayAllen wires using my no-name grip and strip type stripper. They were the only 24-26 gauge wires on the project. My strippers worked very well on every other (larger) gauge wire. The wires on the RayAllens are too thin is my thought. > On the mechanical side, I am stumped over how to remove the tanks on > my QB wings. The screws seem to be very well set and I don't think I > can remove them without stripping the heads. Is there any trick to > removing these screws (WD40 etc)? Had the same problem with my QB tanks. What I found was that all phillips head drivers are not the same. Using my Craftsman drivers, I could only maul them. My neighbor cut some old drivers he had and welded on T-handles. The extra leverage seemed to help and I was able to remove one tank. On the second tank I accidentally picked up a rusty long shaft Enderes driver and found I could remove the screws without mauling them. I ended up buying a set of Enderes drivers - they are good but no magic. That particular rusty, long shaft driver is just particularly good. http://everything2.com/title/The+Perfect+Screwdriver?bookmark_nonce=114f7664880ed9680ced7d19b5bf6a73&bookmark_id=883913&bookmark_seed=871591566.59759&op=bookmark But all Phillips drivers are not equal. Try some different ones. I'm not sure removing the tanks was such a good idea since all I did was air/balloon test them. If they leak with fluid in them, they will have to come off again. However, I did remove the screws for painting so it will look good if they do come off. I really enjoyed the wiring - one of my favorite parts of the build. Bill "waiting for warmer painting weather" Watson ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:15:06 PM PST US From: Linn Walters Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Alternate Air I'm no expert, but I believe almost all the intake filters on certified aircraft are either a foam or folded filter element that is easily blocked by snow/freezing rain, bird feathers, or just plain dirt, and may be easily have a problem if there wasn't some alternate air source or carb heat. The ring type of filter we use is far more forgiving of stuff entering the intake and clogging the filter. I just don't see how the whole FAB would fill with enough stuff to cause a problem. With this thread, I have yet to hear from anybody that's had any type of intake malfunction ...... due to clogging ..... unless I just plain missed it. So, are there any flying -10s out there that have actually had a problem??? Linn On 1/2/2011 4:26 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: > The Mooney Ram Air is in NO way an alternate air. In fact it is > prohibited from use in precipitation. There is a separate alternate > air door that is spring loaded, automatic operation whenever intake > suction overcomes the spring. > > On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 10:56 PM, > wrote: > > RV10-List: Alternate Air intake > I'm sure some of you have flown the Mooney with the "Ram Air" > door in the nose, pulled open gained about 2" MP @ cruise, look at > most injected production planes, sucker doors in the inlet > somewhere in case filter gets plugged. All sorts of ideas that > work excellent. Personally over 25000 hours, still instructing > my comment if your air filter freezes over that is the least of > your problems, if I recall you can't legally fly in icing > conditions anyway, and your wings will shortly lose lift to > support you. Be safe live a long life, > Elbie Mendenhall EAA 38308 > > > * > > get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > tp://forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > * > > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:15:45 PM PST US From: Bill Watson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Slickstart module location That's where I put mine - right underneath the brake fluid reservoir. On 1/2/2011 4:09 AM, jchang10 wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "jchang10" > > For those of you with the Slickstart module, where did you end up installing it? I already have stuff on the left top of the firewall. The center top of the firewall might interfere with accessing the oil filter. Thus, the right top is seemingly the best choice for me. > > Just curious what others have done. Not sure what Van's did on their demo machine either. > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:25:43 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Miscellaneous end of year questions From: "woxofswa" For better grip on the tip of a screwdriver, in the absence of valve grind compound, pumice hand cleaner will work almost as well, and in the absence of that, try toothpaste -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse in mostly done, finishing kit in progress. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325345#325345 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:12:23 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: baggage door spring or strut From: "g.combs" Pascal Aerosport products will be offering This baggage door cover with gas strut. We will Also sell the strut and mounting accessories Separately. Available soon Geoff Sent from my iPhone Geoff On Jan 2, 2011, at 3:54 PM, "Pascal" wrote: > What have others done for the baggage door to keep it open? > > Thanks! > Pascal > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:24:15 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: baggage door spring or strut From: "g.combs" ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:25:33 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: baggage door spring or strut From: "Ron B." I used a lift strut from McMaster Carr part # 11615A14. It was easy to install and works good. I had to replace the plastic end as it is the stop for when the door is open. It would just pull right out. I made one from brass and it now holds. This it the same strut that Matt Dralle used on his RV-8 baggage door. Thanks Matt. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325352#325352 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:33:37 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Canada Sectionals Online From: "Ron B." Hello Scott I'm not aware of online charts either. I had been following your site quite closely during our build and appreciate that you have that site. I also would like to welcome you to Canada and would be glad to put you up if you chose to visit our end of Nova Scotia. We are not what I would call a remote area but we are at the south end of the province. That being said, by air not far from Maine. Ron Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325354#325354 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:13:33 PM PST US From: Rick Lark Subject: Re: RV10-List: Canada Sectionals Online Scott - As you probably realize by now, Canadian aeronautical charts/data are not a vailable on line.- The issue is with Nav Canada and a propriety issue.- I know of a couple of US companies that have tried to get Canadian data fo r their GPS systems and Nav Canada stone walled them in a big way. - As far as I know the only companies that have the data (besides Nav Canada) are Jeppeson and maybe Garmin (but I'm of the impression Garmin data comes from Jeppeson?).- I`m sure Jeppeson pays a heft price for the data too. - Charts/data can be purchased from "Aeronautical Publications, Sales and Dis tribution Centre" in Ottawa (1-800-731-PUBS). - IMHO, Nav Canada is a PITA but Transport Canada, a long tme ago sold us out , so this is what we Canadians have to deal with.- Be thankful of the FAA because they`re much more far sighted and proactive with regards to genera l aviation. (rant off). - Regards,- - Rick #40956 Southampton, Ont - - --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Scott Schmidt wrote: From: Scott Schmidt Subject: RV10-List: Canada Sectionals Online Received: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 6:59 PM I know there are quite a few Rv'ers in Canada and we may take the RV into C anada next year and was wondering if any of you knew if Canadian VFR charts were available online like Skyvector or Runwayfinder. That is if the Internet has reached Canada yet? J/K I found some links where this question was asked but it just took me to a s ite that offers the charts for sale. Thanks, Scott le, List Admin. =0A=0A ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 04:44:22 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Slickstart module location From: "jchang10" Thanks for the replies! Interestingly, i asked another flying -10 builder, where he put his slickstart module, and he said what is that? Thus, a Mattituck IO540 with 2 slick mags, no EI, and no slickstart module, seems to start up fine with no issues whatsoever. In the photo of N410RV, I don't see any "extra" wires going to their left mag, either. I plan to ask Van's about it this week. Jae 40533 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325362#325362 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 04:44:42 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Alternate Air I can sort of chime in here - at least about the reliability of the ring type air filters. A couple of years ago, a friend with little current tailwheel time had just bought an RV-6. I ferried the plane back home for him and it was tied down at a temporary home on a grass field awaiting completion of his hangar. That fall, a hurricane was approaching and he was out of town. I got a frantic call asking me to fly his plane up to Lakeridge airport in Durham, NC, because Bill "MauleDriver" Watson had enough room in his hangar (along with his Maule and his RV-10 project) to allow the RV-6 to be under shelter. I was to fly the plane to Lakeridge at dawn, and then Bill would take me to work. I told him I'd be happy to help. The storm was to hit that evening, so the weather should be good enough to fly it there in the morning. I got to the field before dawn and untied the plane. I pre-flighted it, including removing the cowling cooling inlet plugs (with their flags that draped over the propeller) and the "Remove Before Flight" pitot cover. I started the engine and taxied to the end of the runway where I did a runup. The engine ran normally and I was soon ready to takeoff, with the sky lightening behind me. I announced my departure on 122.9, swung into the wind and began the takeoff roll. It seemed a bit sluggish, but I had noticed it was sluggish when I ferried it - at least compared to my RV-4. I attributed this to the cruise prop it had installed. I climbed out and set my course for Lakeridge. As I passed through 500' AGL there was a THUMP that I both heard and felt. I immediately turned back toward the runway behind me, but the engine actually increased its RPM and the airspeed increased by nearly 10 knots. I circled the field to make sure it ws going to continue running before turning again for Lakeridge. Twenty minutes later I was taxiing up to Bill's hangar, and in the confusion of trying to fit the RV-6 under the wing of his Maule I forgot about the thump. Later that evening I talked to the owner and remembered the thump. He went to Bill's as soon as he got back in town and inspected his plane. What he found surprised him (and shocked me). Unbeknownst to me, since the last time I had flown the plane he had added a foam plug for the carburetor air inlet, a plug of black foam rubber and he had not gotten around to adding a "Remove Before Flight" tag for it. I had taken off with the foam plugging the inlet, and the "thump" was the foam getting sucked through the opening and up against the air filter. Even with that foam plug plastered on the ring-type air filter, the filter prevented the plug from getting into the carburetor (which really would have gotten interesting). The filter still allowed enough air to get through to make for a safe flight. Rest assured that I have learned from this to do a VERY thorough preflight when flying a strange airplane, particularly when that preflight takes place in the dark. I had a flashlight (which I inadvertantly left in his airplane), but I still didn't see that black foam plug in the carburetor inlet. Another lesson learned is to NEVER add any sort of cover that needs to be removed before flight without tagging it and making it obvious to any idiot that it must be removed. You never know which idiot might have to fly that plane next - it might be you. Jack Phillips #40610 - Wings Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Linn Walters Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 5:13 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Alternate Air I'm no expert, but I believe almost all the intake filters on certified aircraft are either a foam or folded filter element that is easily blocked by snow/freezing rain, bird feathers, or just plain dirt, and may be easily have a problem if there wasn't some alternate air source or carb heat. The ring type of filter we use is far more forgiving of stuff entering the intake and clogging the filter. I just don't see how the whole FAB would fill with enough stuff to cause a problem. With this thread, I have yet to hear from anybody that's had any type of intake malfunction ...... due to clogging ..... unless I just plain missed it. So, are there any flying -10s out there that have actually had a problem??? Linn ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 06:43:05 PM PST US From: Dave Saylor Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Slickstart module location Impulse couplings are the mechanical version of the SlickStart. That's what people use if they don't have a SlickStart, or if you look in the installation instructions you can uses a SlickStart with impulse couplings for a belt-and-suspenders approach. Dave Saylor AirCrafters 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 95076 831-722-9141 Shop 831-750-0284 Cell On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 4:41 PM, jchang10 wrote: > > Thanks for the replies! > > Interestingly, i asked another flying -10 builder, where he put his slickstart module, and he said what is that? Thus, a Mattituck IO540 with 2 slick mags, no EI, and no slickstart module, seems to start up fine with no issues whatsoever. > > In the photo of N410RV, I don't see any "extra" wires going to their left mag, either. I plan to ask Van's about it this week. > > Jae > 40533 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325362#325362 > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 06:49:53 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Canada Sectionals Online I don't know how complete it is, and it's not the same as having a sectional, but Voyager does have the airways and airport data from the looks of it. I panned up and planned a flight into Canada as a test, and terrain shows up, with airways, navaids, and airports. So at least the electronic version has the critical data. The airport data is there too when you click on the airports. So it seems to at least be a good supplement to paper. Is there anyone in Canada who uses it who can verify? Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD do not archive On 1/2/2011 6:10 PM, Rick Lark wrote: > Scott > As you probably realize by now, Canadian aeronautical charts/data are > not available on line. The issue is with Nav Canada and a propriety > issue. I know of a couple of US companies that have tried to get > Canadian data for their GPS systems and Nav Canada stone walled them in > a big way. > As far as I know the only companies that have the data (besides Nav > Canada) are Jeppeson and maybe Garmin (but I'm of the impression Garmin > data comes from Jeppeson?). I`m sure Jeppeson pays a heft price for the > data too. > Charts/data can be purchased from "Aeronautical Publications, Sales and > Distribution Centre" in Ottawa (1-800-731-PUBS). > IMHO, Nav Canada is a PITA but Transport Canada, a long tme ago sold us > out, so this is what we Canadians have to deal with. Be thankful of the > FAA because they`re much more far sighted and proactive with regards to > general aviation. (rant off). > Regards, > Rick > #40956 > Southampton, Ont > > > --- On *Sun, 1/2/11, Scott Schmidt //* wrote: > > > From: Scott Schmidt > Subject: RV10-List: Canada Sectionals Online > To: "RV-10 List" > Received: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 6:59 PM > > > > > I know there are quite a few Rv'ers in Canada and we may take the RV > into Canada next year and was wondering if any of you knew if > Canadian VFR charts were available online like Skyvector or > Runwayfinder. > > That is if the Internet has reached Canada yet? J/K > > I found some links where this question was asked but it just took me > to a site that oArchive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, ; --> > http://forums.sp; - > List Contribution Web Sbsp; > > http://www.===================== > > > > > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 06:52:37 PM PST US From: Kelly McMullen Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Slickstart module location The Slick start was originally a replacement for the vibrator in retard breaker systems such as the Bendix shower of sparks setup the Comanche and many Mooneys used. On 1/2/2011 7:39 PM, Dave Saylor wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: Dave Saylor > > Impulse couplings are the mechanical version of the SlickStart. > That's what people use if they don't have a SlickStart, or if you look > in the installation instructions you can uses a SlickStart with > impulse couplings for a belt-and-suspenders approach. > > Dave Saylor > AirCrafters > 140 Aviation Way > Watsonville, CA 95076 > 831-722-9141 Shop > 831-750-0284 Cell > > > On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 4:41 PM, jchang10 wrote: >> --> RV10-List message posted by: "jchang10" >> >> Thanks for the replies! >> >> Interestingly, i asked another flying -10 builder, where he put his slickstart module, and he said what is that? Thus, a Mattituck IO540 with 2 slick mags, no EI, and no slickstart module, seems to start up fine with no issues whatsoever. >> >> In the photo of N410RV, I don't see any "extra" wires going to their left mag, either. I plan to ask Van's about it this week. >> >> Jae >> 40533 >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325362#325362 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 07:54:56 PM PST US From: Jae Chang Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Slickstart module location Actually, I assumed he had the same Slick mag, with just a retard breaker. I don't know exactly what retard breakers do, but I am familiar with impulse couplers, from the Cessna training days. However, I can't remember if most Cessnas have dual or single impulse coupled mags? I would guess single, but now I wonder why? Is there anything wrong with having dual impulse coupled mags, other than extra cost? Jae 40533 On 1/2/2011 6:50 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: > > The Slick start was originally a replacement for the vibrator in > retard breaker systems such as the Bendix shower of sparks setup the > Comanche and many Mooneys used. > > > On 1/2/2011 7:39 PM, Dave Saylor wrote: >> --> RV10-List message posted by: Dave >> Saylor >> >> Impulse couplings are the mechanical version of the SlickStart. >> That's what people use if they don't have a SlickStart, or if you look >> in the installation instructions you can uses a SlickStart with >> impulse couplings for a belt-and-suspenders approach. >> >> Dave Saylor >> AirCrafters >> 140 Aviation Way >> Watsonville, CA 95076 >> 831-722-9141 Shop >> 831-750-0284 Cell >> >> >> >> On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 4:41 PM, >> jchang10 wrote: >>> --> RV10-List message posted by: >>> "jchang10" >>> >>> Thanks for the replies! >>> >>> Interestingly, i asked another flying -10 builder, where he put his >>> slickstart module, and he said what is that? Thus, a Mattituck IO540 >>> with 2 slick mags, no EI, and no slickstart module, seems to start >>> up fine with no issues whatsoever. >>> >>> In the photo of N410RV, I don't see any "extra" wires going to their >>> left mag, either. I plan to ask Van's about it this week. >>> >>> Jae >>> 40533 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325362#325362 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 08:02:10 PM PST US From: Kelly McMullen Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Slickstart module location Cost and complexity is why many planes only have a single impulse coupler. That is one mechanism prone to failure and subject of several ADs. An engine needs something to retard the spark when starting to TDC to avoid kickbacks. A retard breaker does this by a second set of points, with pulsation to generate sparks created either by a vibrator or Slickstart. Impulse coupling does it with a windup spring that releases at TDC and decouples above cranking rpm by centrifugal flyweights. On 1/2/2011 8:50 PM, Jae Chang wrote: > > Actually, I assumed he had the same Slick mag, with just a retard > breaker. I don't know exactly what retard breakers do, but I am > familiar with impulse couplers, from the Cessna training days. > > However, I can't remember if most Cessnas have dual or single impulse > coupled mags? I would guess single, but now I wonder why? Is there > anything wrong with having dual impulse coupled mags, other than extra > cost? > > Jae > 40533 > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 08:19:52 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Slickstart module location From: Kevin Belue Jae, The Slickstart's main purpose is to be an electronic replacement for the electromechanical vibrator used with Bendix retard breaker mags, which is necesary because they don't use impulse couplers to start the engine. There is also a version of Slickstart for Slick mags, which helps those start better, but is not necessary. Slickstart works very well, but they quit making the Bendix version several years ago. Since I have Bendix retard mags on my RV-10, I wanted a Slickstart and called everywhere to find one in stock. I finally found one in Canada and bought it. I haven't seen any more. They still make the version for Slick mags. Kevin Belue Sent from my iPhone On Jan 2, 2011, at 6:41 PM, "jchang10" wrote: > > Thanks for the replies! > > Interestingly, i asked another flying -10 builder, where he put his slickstart module, and he said what is that? Thus, a Mattituck IO540 with 2 slick mags, no EI, and no slickstart module, seems to start up fine with no issues whatsoever. > > In the photo of N410RV, I don't see any "extra" wires going to their left mag, either. I plan to ask Van's about it this week. > > Jae > 40533 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.