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1. 06:26 AM - Re: Fiberglass tape over the window edges (Bill Watson)
2. 06:49 AM - Re: Fiberglass tape over the window edges (DLM)
3. 10:11 AM - An item of critical importance when flying (Dawson-Townsend,Timothy)
4. 10:45 AM - Re: An item of critical importance when flying (John Gonzalez)
5. 10:45 AM - Re: An item of critical importance when flying (Linn Walters)
6. 10:53 AM - Re: An item of critical importance when flying (Tim Olson)
7. 11:03 AM - Re: An item of critical importance when flying (Geoff Combs)
8. 11:03 AM - Re: An item of critical importance when flying (Pascal)
9. 11:32 AM - Re: An item of critical importance when flying (Lenny Iszak)
10. 11:57 AM - Re: Re: An item of critical importance when flying (Seano)
11. 12:14 PM - Re: Re: An item of critical importance when flying (Tim Olson)
12. 12:14 PM - Re: An item of critical importance when flying (orchidman)
13. 12:22 PM - Re: Re: An item of critical importance when flying (Les Kearney)
14. 12:29 PM - Re: An item of critical importance when flying (Bill Watson)
15. 12:32 PM - Re: Re: An item of critical importance when flying (Bruce Johnson)
16. 12:34 PM - Re: Re: An item of critical importance when flying (Seano)
17. 01:09 PM - Re: An item of critical importance when flying (Tim Olson)
18. 01:20 PM - Wx sealing Fwd Fuse Top Skin (jchang10)
19. 01:45 PM - Item of critical importance when flying (Dawson-Townsend,Timothy)
20. 01:56 PM - Antenna Doubler (gjcostigan3@gmail.com)
21. 03:23 PM - Re: Antenna Doubler (Pascal)
22. 03:33 PM - Re: Antenna Doubler (Tim Olson)
23. 03:35 PM - Re: Wx sealing Fwd Fuse Top Skin (Tim Olson)
24. 04:28 PM - Re: Fiberglass tape over the window edges (Lenny Iszak)
25. 04:28 PM - Re: Wx sealing Fwd Fuse Top Skin (jchang10)
26. 04:50 PM - Re: Re: Fiberglass tape over the window edges (gary)
27. 05:32 PM - Re: Re: Fiberglass tape over the window edges (Pascal)
28. 05:36 PM - Re: Re: Wx sealing Fwd Fuse Top Skin (Pascal)
29. 07:52 PM - Re: Item of critical importance when flying (Strasnuts)
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass tape over the window edges |
Flailing around blindly, I wound up doing close to what John describes....
On 1/6/2011 12:58 AM, John Gonzalez wrote:
> snippety snip...
>
> Lastly, I would not use a fiberglass tape, it does not go around
> corners at all. Instead, with a sharpie pen scribe a line on the
> window where you want the fiberglass to overlap on the window then
> purchased some transparent semi stiff, flexible, thin acetate? plastic
> and make labelled patterns for each area of each window by taping this
> plastic over the scribed areas and sight through it to trace the
> contour onto this plastic. Cut out these patterns and label their
> location.
>
> Next, buy another type of less stiff plastic (5mm drop cloth) and use
> this on your table top, lay the fiberglass cloth down on it and wet it
> out with resin and a squegee, one ply at a time, one ply may be
> enough, no more than two needed, Now lay your pattern over this wetted
> out glass with drop cloth beneath and make a sandwich. Use a roller
> cutter to cut through the glass and drop cloth along the contour of
> your pattern. Now lift up this entire sandiwich and peel off the drop
> cloth plastic while the wetted out glass remains attached to the
> acetate pattern so you can carry it to the window location. Position
> it and peel the acetate off leaving the glass in place over the
> window/gap and onto the cabin top.
>
> It actually is a little more work, but it works exceptionally well. On
> mine I only used one ply of 9 oz satin weave glass. It is a flexible
> tight weave glass and follows contours well.
....didn't realize that I did the same until I saw his pics. It may be
less work. I'm not sure how easily FG tape would work. I'm not sure
that anyone who refers to taping over the window edges actually used FG
tape (?).
>
> Haven't been flying in so long I couldn't resist the other non build
> photos.
Nice wintertime pics. The "hang the camera out the vent" technique
gives you that great reflection off the canopy that makes many such pics
better than an unobstructed ones.
Here's a photo from a friend Erik Mann showing the valley around
Pennsylvania's Mifflin Co. airport - where western racers come to play
chicken on 500' ridges. Where has the flying season gone?
Bill "dreaming of flying in fair skies" Watson
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass tape over the window edges |
Use E-glass cut on a 45 bias (instead of tape) so that it turns the
corners easily. Be sure and scuff the edges and clean them with acetone
before applying E-glass saturated epoxy resin. To make it easy then
cover with brown Teflon coated release ply available from Spruce for a
fine mat finish.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Watson
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 7:23 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fiberglass tape over the window edges
Flailing around blindly, I wound up doing close to what John
describes....
On 1/6/2011 12:58 AM, John Gonzalez wrote:
snippety snip...
Lastly, I would not use a fiberglass tape, it does not go around
corners at all. Instead, with a sharpie pen scribe a line on the window
where you want the fiberglass to overlap on the window then purchased
some transparent semi stiff, flexible, thin acetate? plastic and make
labelled patterns for each area of each window by taping this plastic
over the scribed areas and sight through it to trace the contour onto
this plastic. Cut out these patterns and label their location.
Next, buy another type of less stiff plastic (5mm drop cloth) and
use this on your table top, lay the fiberglass cloth down on it and wet
it out with resin and a squegee, one ply at a time, one ply may be
enough, no more than two needed, Now lay your pattern over this wetted
out glass with drop cloth beneath and make a sandwich. Use a roller
cutter to cut through the glass and drop cloth along the contour of your
pattern. Now lift up this entire sandiwich and peel off the drop cloth
plastic while the wetted out glass remains attached to the acetate
pattern so you can carry it to the window location. Position it and peel
the acetate off leaving the glass in place over the window/gap and onto
the cabin top.
It actually is a little more work, but it works exceptionally well.
On mine I only used one ply of 9 oz satin weave glass. It is a flexible
tight weave glass and follows contours well.
....didn't realize that I did the same until I saw his pics. It may
be less work. I'm not sure how easily FG tape would work. I'm not sure
that anyone who refers to taping over the window edges actually used FG
tape (?).
Haven't been flying in so long I couldn't resist the other non build
photos.
Nice wintertime pics. The "hang the camera out the vent" technique
gives you that great reflection off the canopy that makes many such pics
better than an unobstructed ones.
Here's a photo from a friend Erik Mann showing the valley around
Pennsylvania's Mifflin Co. airport - where western racers come to play
chicken on 500' ridges. Where has the flying season gone?
Bill "dreaming of flying in fair skies" Watson
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| Subject: | An item of critical importance when flying |
Um, what are the options folks have been using for bottle or cup holders in
their '-10s?
I see RAM makes a drink holder with either suction cup or glareshield clamp
mounts . . .
http://sportys.com/PilotShop/product/9235
http://sportys.com/PilotShop/product/14253
Tim
Tim Dawson-Townsend
RV-10 N52KS (http://aprs.fi/?call=n52ks)
tdt@aurora.aero<mailto:tdt@aurora.aero>
617-500-4812 (office)
617-905-4800 (mobile)
smaller flight
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| Subject: | An item of critical importance when flying |
This is my recommendation for holding your coffee:
http://www.aeromedix.com/category-exec/parent_id/22/category_id/145/nm/Trav
elJohn_Spill_Proof_Portable_Urinal
On a side note=2C spilled drinks in the cockpit are a potencial hazzard:
http://article.wn.com/view/2011/01/05/Spilled_coffee_causes_United_Airlines
_flight_to_Frankfurt_to_9/
With a small plane like the RV10 they might scramble jets and shoot you dow
n just because you spilled your coffee.
From: tdawson-townsend@aurora.aero
Subject: RV10-List: An item of critical importance when flying
Um=2C what are the options folks have been using for bottle or cup holders
in their =91-10s?
I see RAM makes a drink holder with either suction cup or glareshield clamp
mounts . . .
http://sportys.com/PilotShop/product/9235
http://sportys.com/PilotShop/product/14253
Tim
Tim Dawson-Townsend
RV-10 N52KS (http://aprs.fi/?call=n52ks)
tdt@aurora.aero
617-500-4812 (office)
617-905-4800 (mobile)
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| Subject: | Re: An item of critical importance when flying |
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| Subject: | Re: An item of critical importance when flying |
I just put the screw top back on my beer bottle and
set it on the floor in the six pack holder.
Once the six-pack is done, I pass it back to the kids
to get me another. It works great for beer. I bet
you can do the same thing with other drinks. :)
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 1/6/2011 11:47 AM, Dawson-Townsend,Timothy wrote:
> Um, what are the options folks have been using for bottle or cup holders
> in their -10s?
>
> I see RAM makes a drink holder with either suction cup or glareshield
> clamp mounts . . .
>
> http://sportys.com/PilotShop/product/9235
>
> http://sportys.com/PilotShop/product/14253
>
> Tim
>
> Tim Dawson-Townsend
>
> RV-10 N52KS (http://aprs.fi/?call=n52ks)
>
> tdt@aurora.aero <mailto:tdt@aurora.aero>
>
> 617-500-4812 (office)
>
> 617-905-4800 (mobile)
>
> smaller flight
>
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| Subject: | An item of critical importance when flying |
Tim I have cup holders available at Aerosport Products. They can be mounted
in many places. They flip open when needed.
www.aerosportproducts.com <http://www.aerosportproducts.com/> The cost
is $20.00 each
Geoff Combs
President
614-834-5227p
614-834-5230f
www.aerosportmodeling.com
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Dawson-Townsend,Timothy
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 12:47 PM
Subject: RV10-List: An item of critical importance when flying
Um, what are the options folks have been using for bottle or cup holders in
their '-10s?
I see RAM makes a drink holder with either suction cup or glareshield clamp
mounts . . .
http://sportys.com/PilotShop/product/9235
http://sportys.com/PilotShop/product/14253
Tim
Tim Dawson-Townsend
RV-10 N52KS (http://aprs.fi/?call=n52ks)
tdt@aurora.aero
617-500-4812 (office)
617-905-4800 (mobile)
smaller flight
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| Subject: | Re: An item of critical importance when flying |
Critical importance?
here are some options my wife suggested:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspages/pilotreliefhorbracket.php
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/ps/cockpitaccessories_urinals.html
From: Dawson-Townsend,Timothy
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 9:47 AM
Subject: RV10-List: An item of critical importance when flying
Um, what are the options folks have been using for bottle or cup holders
in their =98-10s?
I see RAM makes a drink holder with either suction cup or glareshield
clamp mounts . . .
http://sportys.com/PilotShop/product/9235
http://sportys.com/PilotShop/product/14253
Tim
Tim Dawson-Townsend
RV-10 N52KS (http://aprs.fi/?call=n52ks)
tdt@aurora.aero
617-500-4812 (office)
617-905-4800 (mobile)
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| Subject: | Re: An item of critical importance when flying |
Good idea Tim!
Since i don't have kids yet, i'm planning on installing a mini beer keg in the
back, and routing some tubing through the overhead console, right next to the
oxygen outlets. Now i just have to find an on-demand beer regulator and i'm set
:D
Lenny
do not archive
Tim Olson wrote:
> I just put the screw top back on my beer bottle and
> set it on the floor in the six pack holder.
> Once the six-pack is done, I pass it back to the kids
> to get me another. It works great for beer. I bet
> you can do the same thing with other drinks. :)
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
> do not archive
>
>
> On 1/6/2011 11:47 AM, Dawson-Townsend,Timothy wrote:
>
> > Um, what are the options folks have been using for bottle or cup holders
> > in their -10s?
> >
> > I see RAM makes a drink holder with either suction cup or glareshield
> > clamp mounts . . .
> >
> > http://sportys.com/PilotShop/product/9235
> >
> > http://sportys.com/PilotShop/product/14253
> >
> > Tim
> >
> > Tim Dawson-Townsend
> >
> > RV-10 N52KS (http://aprs.fi/?call=n52ks)
> >
> > tdt@aurora.aero
> >
> > 617-500-4812 (office)
> >
> > 617-905-4800 (mobile)
> >
> > smaller flight
> >
> >
> >
>
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325828#325828
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| Subject: | Re: An item of critical importance when flying |
I'm making a Bose A20/beer can dispenser with straw. Soon available at www.PlaneAround.com! After two beers you can't tell the difference between Zulus or Bose.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 6, 2011, at 12:29, "Lenny Iszak" <lenard@rapiddecision.com> wrote:
>
> Good idea Tim!
> Since i don't have kids yet, i'm planning on installing a mini beer keg in the
back, and routing some tubing through the overhead console, right next to the
oxygen outlets. Now i just have to find an on-demand beer regulator and i'm
set :D
>
> Lenny
>
> do not archive
>
>
> Tim Olson wrote:
>> I just put the screw top back on my beer bottle and
>> set it on the floor in the six pack holder.
>> Once the six-pack is done, I pass it back to the kids
>> to get me another. It works great for beer. I bet
>> you can do the same thing with other drinks. :)
>>
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>> On 1/6/2011 11:47 AM, Dawson-Townsend,Timothy wrote:
>>
>>> Um, what are the options folks have been using for bottle or cup holders
>>> in their -10s?
>>>
>>> I see RAM makes a drink holder with either suction cup or glareshield
>>> clamp mounts . . .
>>>
>>> http://sportys.com/PilotShop/product/9235
>>>
>>> http://sportys.com/PilotShop/product/14253
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>
>>> Tim Dawson-Townsend
>>>
>>> RV-10 N52KS (http://aprs.fi/?call=n52ks)
>>>
>>> tdt@aurora.aero
>>>
>>> 617-500-4812 (office)
>>>
>>> 617-905-4800 (mobile)
>>>
>>> smaller flight
>>>
>>>
>>>
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325828#325828
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| Subject: | Re: An item of critical importance when flying |
I like Lenny's idea with the beer to the overhead console.
That way it comes down along with the Oxygen lines.
You could plumb it to the Bose A20 along the mic boom
and right to your mouth. That should work pretty slick.
Then for the other matter, a simple relief tube should
fit nicely down through that hole in the front face of
the seat tower where the stick comes out. You could
run them to the tunnel, and join the left/right/front/rear
seats together to a central line that goes aft to the tail
and out the bottom near the rear tiedown hole...or to be
safe, run it through the bottom rudder fairing and out
by the tail light, with 6" of hose sticking out to
prevent some blowback.
Should be the perfect redneck traveling machine!
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 1/6/2011 1:54 PM, Seano wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Seano<sean@braunandco.com>
>
> I'm making a Bose A20/beer can dispenser with straw. Soon available at www.PlaneAround.com! After two beers you can't tell the difference between Zulus or Bose.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 6, 2011, at 12:29, "Lenny Iszak"<lenard@rapiddecision.com> wrote:
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Lenny Iszak"<lenard@rapiddecision.com>
>>
>> Good idea Tim!
>> Since i don't have kids yet, i'm planning on installing a mini beer keg in the
back, and routing some tubing through the overhead console, right next to the
oxygen outlets. Now i just have to find an on-demand beer regulator and i'm
set :D
>>
>> Lenny
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>> Tim Olson wrote:
>>> I just put the screw top back on my beer bottle and
>>> set it on the floor in the six pack holder.
>>> Once the six-pack is done, I pass it back to the kids
>>> to get me another. It works great for beer. I bet
>>> you can do the same thing with other drinks. :)
>>>
>>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>>> do not archive
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/6/2011 11:47 AM, Dawson-Townsend,Timothy wrote:
>>>
>>>> Um, what are the options folks have been using for bottle or cup holders
>>>> in their -10s?
>>>>
>>>> I see RAM makes a drink holder with either suction cup or glareshield
>>>> clamp mounts . . .
>>>>
>>>> http://sportys.com/PilotShop/product/9235
>>>>
>>>> http://sportys.com/PilotShop/product/14253
>>>>
>>>> Tim
>>>>
>>>> Tim Dawson-Townsend
>>>>
>>>> RV-10 N52KS (http://aprs.fi/?call=n52ks)
>>>>
>>>> tdt@aurora.aero
>>>>
>>>> 617-500-4812 (office)
>>>>
>>>> 617-905-4800 (mobile)
>>>>
>>>> smaller flight
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>> Read this topic online here:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325828#325828
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| Subject: | Re: An item of critical importance when flying |
Tim Olson wrote:
> I just put the screw top back on my beer bottle and
> set it on the floor in the six pack holder.
>
As an alternate to the newer CD players, get one of the old PC CD players and presto,
your cup holder [Mr. Green]
And when you are finished put a CD in and rock on down the airway.
--------
Gary Blankenbiller
RV10 - # 40674
(N2GB Flying)
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325833#325833
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| Subject: | Re: An item of critical importance when flying |
Sean
Please don't forget those of us who prefer their drinks to have little umbrellas.
There is more to life than beer.
Cheers
Led
Sent from my iPhone
On 2011-01-06, at 1:54 PM, Seano <sean@braunandco.com> wrote:
>
> I'm making a Bose A20/beer can dispenser with straw. Soon available at www.PlaneAround.com! After two beers you can't tell the difference between Zulus or Bose.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 6, 2011, at 12:29, "Lenny Iszak" <lenard@rapiddecision.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Good idea Tim!
>> Since i don't have kids yet, i'm planning on installing a mini beer keg in the
back, and routing some tubing through the overhead console, right next to the
oxygen outlets. Now i just have to find an on-demand beer regulator and i'm
set :D
>>
>> Lenny
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>> Tim Olson wrote:
>>> I just put the screw top back on my beer bottle and
>>> set it on the floor in the six pack holder.
>>> Once the six-pack is done, I pass it back to the kids
>>> to get me another. It works great for beer. I bet
>>> you can do the same thing with other drinks. :)
>>>
>>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>>> do not archive
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/6/2011 11:47 AM, Dawson-Townsend,Timothy wrote:
>>>
>>>> Um, what are the options folks have been using for bottle or cup holders
>>>> in their -10s?
>>>>
>>>> I see RAM makes a drink holder with either suction cup or glareshield
>>>> clamp mounts . . .
>>>>
>>>> http://sportys.com/PilotShop/product/9235
>>>>
>>>> http://sportys.com/PilotShop/product/14253
>>>>
>>>> Tim
>>>>
>>>> Tim Dawson-Townsend
>>>>
>>>> RV-10 N52KS (http://aprs.fi/?call=n52ks)
>>>>
>>>> tdt@aurora.aero
>>>>
>>>> 617-500-4812 (office)
>>>>
>>>> 617-905-4800 (mobile)
>>>>
>>>> smaller flight
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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>> Read this topic online here:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325828#325828
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| Subject: | Re: An item of critical importance when flying |
On 1/6/2011 1:41 PM, John Gonzalez wrote:
> This is my recommendation for holding your coffee:
>
> http://www.aeromedix.com/category-exec/parent_id/22/category_id/145/nm/TravelJohn_Spill_Proof_Portable_Urinal
>
I use and like the Travel John gel packs. They work as advertised and
have the benefit of being fully disposable. They also play well with
other back-of-the-seat stuff. That is, Putting a 3 pack behind the seat
is handy and non-offensive, unlike...
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspages/liljohn.php
which I also carry and use. But I find myself packing it in the back
and when alone, I can't get to it.
Seriously, for those of you who manage your need to urinate by managing
your drinking - stop it! The only thing worse than fighting the urge
through a descent and landing, is the much more subtle effects of
dehydration. ...so, at the risk of TMI...
It seems that everyone is much more aware of hydration now in the days
of bottled water marketing (no need to wonder why), but in the days
before bottled water, I know that it was common practice for glider
guiders to hold off on the drinking so they could make a 3 - 6 hour
flight without urinating. It works, but 3 hours in a sunny cockpit,
especially down low, starts to degrade one's flying abilities unless you
stay hydrated. The classic result in glider racing was a high speed
worm burning finish followed by a waffling pull up and a befuddled
pilot unable to find the airport he just beat up. What happened? The
theory was that adrenaline would get you thru the finish but the relief
of finishing the race would shut off the valve and dehydration stupidity
would take over. I know since I did something like that once and bent
a bird.
In the 80s, we started talking about and using relief systems in a
serious way. The problem is more acute for large pilots, lying prone,
in a tight cockpit. External male catheters became my favorite solution:
http://www.vitalitymedical.com/Catalog/External-Catheters-154-.html
Skinny types in certain gliders could use a baggy, ideally with a tampon
inside to keep the sloshing down. This was the predecessor to the
Travel John above. I don't know how they did it but I know what it
looks like when it doesn't work. The baggy/Travel John approach is not
as much of a problem in a spacious cockpit like the '10 but perhaps if
shyness is an issue the external, self adhesive, pre-applied male cath
with leg bag is a good solution.
Female pilots and passengers have it a bit tougher. Less stuff is
available, it doesn't work as well, and then the possible shyness
factor. But all the same stuff applies.
In the end, for the pilot a diaper beats stupid and distracted. OTOH,
passengers keep rather well in parched condition. Just apply beer when
you land and join in.
PS - for those considering installation of a waste tube for airborne
disposal - think twice. It requires a bit of testing to find a location
that won't result in sucking the corrosive stuff into a steel hinge or
clevis. Been there, done that too.
Bill "longing for the primer wars" Watson
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Hey, some of us resemble that remark.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_______________________
_________=0AFrom: Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com>=0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com
=0ASent: Thu, January 6, 2011 1:11:58 PM=0ASubject: Re: RV10-List: Re: An i
tem of critical importance when flying=0A=0A--> RV10-List message posted by
: Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com>=0A=0AI like Lenny's idea with the beer to the
overhead console.=0AThat way it comes down along with the Oxygen lines.=0AY
ou could plumb it to the Bose A20 along the mic boom=0Aand right to your mo
uth.- That should work pretty slick.=0A=0AThen for the other matter, a si
mple relief tube should=0Afit nicely down through that hole in the front fa
ce of=0Athe seat tower where the stick comes out.- You could=0Arun them t
o the tunnel, and join the left/right/front/rear=0Aseats together to a cent
ral line that goes aft to the tail=0Aand out the bottom near the rear tiedo
wn hole...or to be=0Asafe, run it through the bottom rudder fairing and out
=0Aby the tail light, with 6" of hose sticking out to=0Aprevent some blowba
ck.=0A=0AShould be the perfect redneck traveling machine!=0A=0ATim Olson -
RV-10 N104CD=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0AOn 1/6/2011 1:54 PM, Seano wrote:=0A>
-->- RV10-List message posted by: Seano<sean@braunandco.com>=0A>=0A> I'm
making a Bose A20/beer can dispenser with straw.- Soon available at =0A>
www.PlaneAround.com!- After two beers you can't tell the difference betwe
en =0A>Zulus or Bose.=0A>=0A> Sent from my iPhone=0A>=0A> On Jan 6, 2011, a
t 12:29, "Lenny Iszak"<lenard@rapiddecision.com>- wrote:=0A>=0A>> -->-
RV10-List message posted by: "Lenny Iszak"<lenard@rapiddecision.com>=0A>>
=0A>> Good idea Tim!=0A>> Since i don't have kids yet, i'm planning on inst
alling a mini beer keg in the =0A>>back, and routing some tubing through th
e overhead console, right next to the =0A>>oxygen outlets. Now i just have
to find an on-demand beer regulator and i'm set- =0A>>:D=0A>>=0A>> Lenny
=0A>>=0A>> do not archive=0A>>=0A>>=0A>> Tim Olson wrote:=0A>>> I just put
the screw top back on my beer bottle and=0A>>> set it on the floor in the s
ix pack holder.=0A>>> Once the six-pack is done, I pass it back to the kids
=0A>>> to get me another. It works great for beer.- I bet=0A>>> you can d
o the same thing with other drinks. :)=0A>>>=0A>>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
=0A>>> do not archive=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>> On 1/6/2011 11:47 AM, Dawson-Townse
nd,Timothy wrote:=0A>>>=0A>>>> Um, what are the options folks have been usi
ng for bottle or cup holders=0A>>>> in their =EF=BD-10s?=0A>>>>=0A>>>> I
see RAM makes a drink holder with either suction cup or glareshield=0A>>>>
clamp mounts . . .=0A>>>>=0A>>>> http://sportys.com/PilotShop/product/9235
=0A>>>>=0A>>>> http://sportys.com/PilotShop/product/14253=0A>>>>=0A>>>> Tim
=0A>>>>=0A>>>> Tim Dawson-Townsend=0A>>>>=0A>>>> RV-10 N52KS (http://aprs.f
i/?call=n52ks)=0A>>>>=0A>>>> tdt@aurora.aero=0A>>>>=0A>>>> 617-500-4812 (
office)=0A>>>>=0A>>>> 617-905-4800 (mobile)=0A>>>>=0A>>>> smaller flight=0A
>>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>> Read this topic onli
ne here:=0A>>=0A>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325828#325
828=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>
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| Subject: | Re: An item of critical importance when flying |
What about kokanee? Mmmmmm
And it's from Canada.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 6, 2011, at 13:18, Les Kearney <kearney@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> Sean
>
> Please don't forget those of us who prefer their drinks to have little umbrellas.
There is more to life than beer.
>
> Cheers
>
> Led
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 2011-01-06, at 1:54 PM, Seano <sean@braunandco.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm making a Bose A20/beer can dispenser with straw. Soon available at www.PlaneAround.com! After two beers you can't tell the difference between Zulus or Bose.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 6, 2011, at 12:29, "Lenny Iszak" <lenard@rapiddecision.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Good idea Tim!
>>> Since i don't have kids yet, i'm planning on installing a mini beer keg in
the back, and routing some tubing through the overhead console, right next to
the oxygen outlets. Now i just have to find an on-demand beer regulator and i'm
set :D
>>>
>>> Lenny
>>>
>>> do not archive
>>>
>>>
>>> Tim Olson wrote:
>>>> I just put the screw top back on my beer bottle and
>>>> set it on the floor in the six pack holder.
>>>> Once the six-pack is done, I pass it back to the kids
>>>> to get me another. It works great for beer. I bet
>>>> you can do the same thing with other drinks. :)
>>>>
>>>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>>>> do not archive
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 1/6/2011 11:47 AM, Dawson-Townsend,Timothy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Um, what are the options folks have been using for bottle or cup holders
>>>>> in their -10s?
>>>>>
>>>>> I see RAM makes a drink holder with either suction cup or glareshield
>>>>> clamp mounts . . .
>>>>>
>>>>> http://sportys.com/PilotShop/product/9235
>>>>>
>>>>> http://sportys.com/PilotShop/product/14253
>>>>>
>>>>> Tim
>>>>>
>>>>> Tim Dawson-Townsend
>>>>>
>>>>> RV-10 N52KS (http://aprs.fi/?call=n52ks)
>>>>>
>>>>> tdt@aurora.aero
>>>>>
>>>>> 617-500-4812 (office)
>>>>>
>>>>> 617-905-4800 (mobile)
>>>>>
>>>>> smaller flight
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325828#325828
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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On a serious note, I actually have been using these little
John's:
http://www.skygeek.com/littlejohn.html
Except I don't like the cap on this one as much as some
nice green colored ones I found at a local farm and
general purpose store. The ladies use it too, but
with a funnel type adapter.
I also bring a 1 or 2 liter size gatorade container on
some trips, strictly in case one isn't enough. I've
been amazed that on some of our trips, even with
only 2 hour legs, or especially with 4.5+ hour legs,
we can come close to filling maybe 2 or 3 liters
or more, between the 4 of us...and that's with 2
of the kids being twerps.
Hydration is important, as Bill W. says, and
so is comfort, if you're going to be shooting an
approach or something. I make it a practice to
"get comfy" before landing.
We also keep a jug of bleach water at the hangar
just for rinsing the bottles occasionally. I'm so
glad I have girls that are plenty happy to release
it all in flight...some of these trips would be
much harder if I had to do 2 more stops a day.
If you're not yet married...marry "Low Maintenance"...
honestly!
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 1/6/2011 2:25 PM, Bill Watson wrote:
> On 1/6/2011 1:41 PM, John Gonzalez wrote:
>> This is my recommendation for holding your coffee:
>>
>> http://www.aeromedix.com/category-exec/parent_id/22/category_id/145/nm/TravelJohn_Spill_Proof_Portable_Urinal
>>
> I use and like the Travel John gel packs. They work as advertised and
> have the benefit of being fully disposable. They also play well with
> other back-of-the-seat stuff. That is, Putting a 3 pack behind the seat
> is handy and non-offensive, unlike...
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspages/liljohn.php
> which I also carry and use. But I find myself packing it in the back
> and when alone, I can't get to it.
>
> Seriously, for those of you who manage your need to urinate by managing
> your drinking - stop it! The only thing worse than fighting the urge
> through a descent and landing, is the much more subtle effects of
> dehydration. ...so, at the risk of TMI...
>
> It seems that everyone is much more aware of hydration now in the days
> of bottled water marketing (no need to wonder why), but in the days
> before bottled water, I know that it was common practice for glider
> guiders to hold off on the drinking so they could make a 3 - 6 hour
> flight without urinating. It works, but 3 hours in a sunny cockpit,
> especially down low, starts to degrade one's flying abilities unless you
> stay hydrated. The classic result in glider racing was a high speed
> worm burning finish followed by a waffling pull up and a befuddled
> pilot unable to find the airport he just beat up. What happened? The
> theory was that adrenaline would get you thru the finish but the relief
> of finishing the race would shut off the valve and dehydration stupidity
> would take over. I know since I did something like that once and bent
> a bird.
>
> In the 80s, we started talking about and using relief systems in a
> serious way. The problem is more acute for large pilots, lying prone,
> in a tight cockpit. External male catheters became my favorite solution:
> http://www.vitalitymedical.com/Catalog/External-Catheters-154-.html
> Skinny types in certain gliders could use a baggy, ideally with a tampon
> inside to keep the sloshing down. This was the predecessor to the
> Travel John above. I don't know how they did it but I know what it
> looks like when it doesn't work. The baggy/Travel John approach is not
> as much of a problem in a spacious cockpit like the '10 but perhaps if
> shyness is an issue the external, self adhesive, pre-applied male cath
> with leg bag is a good solution.
>
> Female pilots and passengers have it a bit tougher. Less stuff is
> available, it doesn't work as well, and then the possible shyness
> factor. But all the same stuff applies.
>
> In the end, for the pilot a diaper beats stupid and distracted. OTOH,
> passengers keep rather well in parched condition. Just apply beer when
> you land and join in.
>
> PS - for those considering installation of a waste tube for airborne
> disposal - think twice. It requires a bit of testing to find a location
> that won't result in sucking the corrosive stuff into a steel hinge or
> clevis. Been there, done that too.
>
> Bill "longing for the primer wars" Watson
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Wx sealing Fwd Fuse Top Skin |
Hi, I am preparing to finally rivet down the Fwd Fuse Top Skin. I was wondering
whether it is worth the trouble to proseal the rivet lines (see attached photo)
to prevent any moisture leaking into the cabin area? Or is this not even an
issue worth considering?
Thanks,
Jae
40533
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Um, thanks everyone for your serious, thoughtful, and may I say, thought-pr
ovoking responses to the drink holder question!
Tim
Tim Dawson-Townsend
RV-10 N52KS (http://aprs.fi/?call=n52ks)
tdt@aurora.aero<mailto:tdt@aurora.aero>
617-500-4812 (office)
617-905-4800 (mobile)
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Hi Guys,
After too long of a layoff, I'm back working on the 10.
I'm getting ready to close up the rear seat/baggage panels and wanted to add
doublers for 2 com antennas (CI-122) Does anyone have pictures of what they
did in this area?
I hope to order the finish kit this month. Now the challenge of the wiring
and electrical is looming. So I may be asking a lot of questions.
Thanks,
George Costigan
40434
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| Subject: | Re: Antenna Doubler |
George;
No pictures, I just made the doubler and don=99t recall this being
a big issue to do.
Many have removed numerous items from the finish kit. I believe Tim
Olson has/ or was going to make a list of items to remove, regardless
check the archives; this has come up before.
I can tell you off the top of my head:
Landing gear- skip the wheels and tires, get them from Matco and Desser
directly.
For the heat vents (I have plane innovations steel-
http://www.planeinnovations.com/) they are a great product compared to
the ones Vans provides, plus they have more solid seal.
For the wheel pant extensions you=99ll need the aftermarket
alternative, same for the door guides or better yet the 180 degree kit.
In fairness to builders who make these I wont give direct references,
there are a few options and they all are good. I will tell you that once
you find a site with the parts you=99ll find numerous options,
most of them are due to need for a better option than what is in the
kits.
I just install a Cee Baileys windscreen- pretty much ready to install
without major work- same price as Vans and a much better fit
I know Cee baileys is working on the door and rear windows but they are
still perfecting that, it may be worth not getting the windows from Vans
as I know the Cee baileys will be ready to fit as received- no need to
trim it to the cabin and doors. They may have it completed by the time
your ready, call them and ask- worth the wait based on what I have seen
with the wingtip and windshield products.
I know there are some that have bought aftermarket wheel pants fairings,
I can tell you the Vans ones are rather poor..
The list continues, whatever you do don=99t just get the finish
kit as is there are simply too many better options out there that work
=9Csafely=9D and are more durable.
As far as wiring, if you want a easier solution, consider the prewired
and hub solution from http://www.approachfaststack.com/index.html
As well as Vertical power for electrical
Pascal
From: gjcostigan3@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 1:54 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Antenna Doubler
Hi Guys,
After too long of a layoff, I'm back working on the 10.
I'm getting ready to close up the rear seat/baggage panels and wanted to
add doublers for 2 com antennas (CI-122) Does anyone have pictures of
what they did in this area?
I hope to order the finish kit this month. Now the challenge of the
wiring and electrical is looming. So I may be asking a lot of questions.
Thanks,
George Costigan
40434
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| Subject: | Re: Antenna Doubler |
George, I have some pics on this link.
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/fuselage/20050522/index.html
It would be good to tie the doubler into at least 2 of
the ribs or other verticals around the area if possible,
but it's a pretty reinforced area so it won't be hard
to get something that works.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 1/6/2011 3:54 PM, gjcostigan3@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi Guys,
>
> After too long of a layoff, I'm back working on the 10.
>
> I'm getting ready to close up the rear seat/baggage panels and wanted to
> add doublers for 2 com antennas (CI-122) Does anyone have pictures of
> what they did in this area?
>
> I hope to order the finish kit this month. Now the challenge of the
> wiring and electrical is looming. So I may be asking a lot of questions.
>
> Thanks,
>
> George Costigan
> 40434
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wx sealing Fwd Fuse Top Skin |
Jae, it won't hurt to do it, but it probably isn't going to do very
much for you. You'll be painting all that area anyway. Also, the
windshield fairing will cover a lot of it. If I were doing it
all over again, I'd fill the rivets from the outside, on that
forward deck, and the seam along the sides.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 1/6/2011 3:16 PM, jchang10 wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "jchang10"<jc-matronics_rv10@jline.com>
>
> Hi, I am preparing to finally rivet down the Fwd Fuse Top Skin. I was wondering
whether it is worth the trouble to proseal the rivet lines (see attached photo)
to prevent any moisture leaking into the cabin area? Or is this not even
an issue worth considering?
>
> Thanks,
> Jae
> 40533
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325847#325847
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass tape over the window edges |
Thanks everyone for the ideas. Looks like i'll just do two layers of thin FG cloth
over the plexi. I was just a little concerned about the fiberglass/plexi bond,
but i guess that's what everyone does.
Lenny.
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| Subject: | Re: Wx sealing Fwd Fuse Top Skin |
Right, I forgot about paint. At this point, I have no idea how long it will be
to get painted, so I'll probably do a bit of sealing esp. around the sides and
the firewall then.
Thanks,
Jae
[quote="Tim Olson"]Jae, it won't hurt to do it, but it probably isn't going to
do very
much for you. You'll be painting all that area anyway. Also, the
windshield fairing will cover a lot of it. If I were doing it
all over again, I'd fill the rivets from the outside, on that
forward deck, and the seam along the sides.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass tape over the window edges |
With this method of securing the plexi, adhesion is not as important as you
have a channel for the glass to lay in and it is supported both on the
inside and outside.
Gary Specketer
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lenny Iszak
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 7:26 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Fiberglass tape over the window edges
Thanks everyone for the ideas. Looks like i'll just do two layers of thin FG
cloth over the plexi. I was just a little concerned about the
fiberglass/plexi bond, but i guess that's what everyone does.
Lenny.
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass tape over the window edges |
wait until you get to the front windscreen and build the fairing, there are
10 layers of cloth over the plexi at that point.
You'll be fine!
Pascal
-----Original Message-----
From: Lenny Iszak
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 4:25 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Fiberglass tape over the window edges
Thanks everyone for the ideas. Looks like i'll just do two layers of thin FG
cloth over the plexi. I was just a little concerned about the
fiberglass/plexi bond, but i guess that's what everyone does.
Lenny.
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| Subject: | Re: Wx sealing Fwd Fuse Top Skin |
For what it's worth. I put etch, in prep for priming and body work on all
aluminum and the front upper area. I used my fire hose nozzle to get all the
etch out of the sides, bottom and top fusellage.
No water leaked in anywhere. If it can take the fire hose pressure it will
not leak in my mind.
Pascal
-----Original Message-----
From: jchang10
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 4:26 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Wx sealing Fwd Fuse Top Skin
Right, I forgot about paint. At this point, I have no idea how long it will
be to get painted, so I'll probably do a bit of sealing esp. around the
sides and the firewall then.
Thanks,
Jae
[quote="Tim Olson"]Jae, it won't hurt to do it, but it probably isn't going
to do very
much for you. You'll be painting all that area anyway. Also, the
windshield fairing will cover a lot of it. If I were doing it
all over again, I'd fill the rivets from the outside, on that
forward deck, and the seam along the sides.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
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| Subject: | Re: Item of critical importance when flying |
I actually have the cup holders from Aerosport Products and they look great.
I haven't installed them yet but they should be in within the next two months.
--------
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