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1. 05:57 AM - Cup holders on a serious note! (Peter James)
2. 06:06 AM - Pitot question/ other questions before bottom wing skins (Billy & Tami Britton)
3. 06:27 AM - Re: Pitot question/ other questions before bottom wing skins (Deems Davis)
4. 06:36 AM - Re: Pitot question/ other questions before bottom wing skins (Rene Felker)
5. 06:41 AM - Re: Pitot question/ other questions before bottom wing skins (Kelly McMullen)
6. 06:45 AM - Re: Re: FlightPrep Lawsuit (Tim Olson)
7. 06:47 AM - Re: Pitot question/ other questions before bottom wing skins (Kelly McMullen)
8. 06:52 AM - Cup Holders (partner14)
9. 06:58 AM - Cup Holders (partner14)
10. 04:44 PM - Cheap RV10 (Kelly McMullen)
11. 05:06 PM - Re: Cheap RV10 (Tom Biggs)
12. 05:11 PM - Re: Cheap RV10 (Pascal)
13. 05:25 PM - Re: Cheap RV10 (Jesse Saint)
14. 06:07 PM - Re: Cheap RV10 (Tim Olson)
15. 06:19 PM - Re: Pitot question/ other questions before bottom wing skins (Jim Berry)
16. 06:20 PM - Re: Cheap RV10 (Kelly McMullen)
17. 06:22 PM - Re: Cheap RV10 (Jesse Saint)
18. 06:25 PM - Re: Cheap RV10 (Kelly McMullen)
19. 07:14 PM - Re: Cheap RV10 (Pascal)
20. 08:49 PM - Bell Crank Heads Up (Les Kearney)
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| Subject: | Cup holders on a serious note! |
Gents,
Go to www.overton <http://www.overton's.com/> 's.com and search on "folding
drink holders" . You will find both plastic and stainless steel folding
drink holders. I put nutplates inside the tunnel for front and rear seats
down low near your seat. They fold up when not in use and weigh just a few
ounces. Boaters have been drinking far longer than pilots - unless you work
for Delta/Northwest. They have this down. Notice I didn't say.I have this
down.
Pete
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| Subject: | Pitot question/ other questions before bottom wing skins |
I'll hopefully be ready to install my pitot in the next 3-4 weeks. I
have a Gretz heated pitot and somebody recommended I check it for leaks
before installing. I guess this is where I'm showing my lack of
knowledge.....How do I check it for leaks???
Also, does anybody have a list of items that should be done before
riveting on the bottom wing skins? I have the Vans conduit installed
with a couple strings pulled through each wing/conduit. I'll be using
the gretz heated pitot as mentioned above. Some sort of LED NAV/POS
lighting in the wingtips (not sure what yet--any recommendations) and
the duckworks leading edge landing/taxi lighting in the wingtips, vans
stall warning, etc.... I'm sure I'm leaving something out. Just
curious if anybody had a list on any websites that may be a good idea to
complete before bottom skins. Don't really plan on pulling wires yet
but would atleast like to pull strings through to make wiring easier
later.
Thanks in advance,
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Pitot question/ other questions before bottom wing skins |
Bill
I haven't a clue as to how to check the Gretz for leaks prior to
installation. But as to wiring in the wings, if you're going to put in a
roll servo for autopilot you should run the wires now as the bundle of
several wires would be easier. Also, many have elected to mount an OAT
probe on one of the inspection plates in the wing (additional wires).
Deems
deemsrv10.com
On 1/7/2011 7:03 AM, Billy & Tami Britton wrote:
> I'll hopefully be ready to install my pitot in the next 3-4 weeks. I
> have a Gretz heated pitot and somebody recommended I check it for
> leaks before installing. I guess this is where I'm showing my lack of
> knowledge.....How do I check it for leaks???
> Also, does anybody have a list of items that should be done before
> riveting on the bottom wing skins? I have the Vans conduit installed
> with a couple strings pulled through each wing/conduit. I'll be using
> the gretz heated pitot as mentioned above. Some sort of LED NAV/POS
> lighting in the wingtips (not sure what yet--any recommendations) and
> the duckworks leading edge landing/taxi lighting in the wingtips, vans
> stall warning, etc.... I'm sure I'm leaving something out. Just
> curious if anybody had a list on any websites that may be a good idea
> to complete before bottom skins. Don't really plan on pulling wires
> yet but would atleast like to pull strings through to make wiring
> easier later.
> Thanks in advance,
> Bill
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| Subject: | Pitot question/ other questions before bottom wing skins |
One quick thought..aileron trim.
Rene' Felker
N423CF
801-721-6080
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Billy & Tami
Britton
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 7:04 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Pitot question/ other questions before bottom wing skins
I'll hopefully be ready to install my pitot in the next 3-4 weeks. I have a
Gretz heated pitot and somebody recommended I check it for leaks before
installing. I guess this is where I'm showing my lack of knowledge.....How
do I check it for leaks???
Also, does anybody have a list of items that should be done before riveting
on the bottom wing skins? I have the Vans conduit installed with a couple
strings pulled through each wing/conduit. I'll be using the gretz heated
pitot as mentioned above. Some sort of LED NAV/POS lighting in the wingtips
(not sure what yet--any recommendations) and the duckworks leading edge
landing/taxi lighting in the wingtips, vans stall warning, etc.... I'm
sure I'm leaving something out. Just curious if anybody had a list on any
websites that may be a good idea to complete before bottom skins. Don't
really plan on pulling wires yet but would atleast like to pull strings
through to make wiring easier later.
Thanks in advance,
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Pitot question/ other questions before bottom wing skins |
After you install the pitot and connect it to the tubing going to the wing
root, you want to check that system. Tape over both the pitot inlet and any
vent holes it may have. Connect a hand vacuum pump to the tubing at the wing
root. Pull about 2-3" of vacuum. See that it holds that vacuum for at least
a couple minutes. You just want to know that all the connections are leak
free. When you have the airplane together, the static ports and pitot get
connected to a vacuum pump, and for VFR pressure is lowered to show 1000AGL
on the altimeter. By reg, it must not lose more than 100 ft in one minute.
The pitot is kept at same pressure as static port, otherwise it would wind
up the airspeed to need top scale from the higher pressure of ambient vs the
static system. If the pitot had any leaks they would show in airspeed above
zero. IFR the system is pumped to lower pressure, 1000 ft at at time, all
the way up to 20,000 ft (or max you want it certified to), and the altitudes
must match a certified altimeter within a fairly narrow tolerance. Leaks in
pitot system would endanger the airspeed indicator(at least the mechanical
ones).
On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 7:03 AM, Billy & Tami Britton <william@gbta.net>wrote:
> I'll hopefully be ready to install my pitot in the next 3-4 weeks. I
> have a Gretz heated pitot and somebody recommended I check it for leaks
> before installing. I guess this is where I'm showing my lack of
> knowledge.....How do I check it for leaks???
>
>
> A
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| Subject: | Re: FlightPrep Lawsuit |
Interesting that this is starting to go mainstream:
http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/01/when-bad-patents-hurt-good-people-patent-threat
The EFF now has it on their radar as well....and they have a "Patent
Busting Project" to help with things like this.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 1/1/2011 10:02 PM, Pascal wrote:
>
> Well, the big guys aren't biting and if no one buys from any Flightprep
> run businesses, hence my suggesting telling DUATS you wont support them,
> Flightprep will have nothing.
> I agree it may go down to the patent in court but if folks stick to
> their words it doesn't matter how Flightprep plans to make money if no
> one buys the software indirectly. Seattle avionics has an alternative
> that is not impacted by the patent, so already there are options that
> will work.
> If no one buys Flightprep, they will go down as spending a whole lot of
> money on a patent/lawyers and have nothing to support them in business.
> Personally, they should have done this the right way. Use the money to
> develop better software and Flightprep would have done just fine.
> Instead they wimped out and decided to remove competition to force
> people to settle for what they have.
> The consumer decides who gets their business, many don't care about
> Flightprep, but most do, if DUATS gave up their licensing/royalties to
> flightprep due to losing their clients, it WOULD make a difference. Same
> goes for ASA, there are numerous other options to ASA training videos.
> The only point I know I am going to be missing is that of pointing my
> computer to any Flightprep run software based company.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pitot question/ other questions before bottom wing skins |
Perhaps for slow build wings. For QB wings, the inner bottom skin is alread
y
installed, so aileron trim would have to be put in through the existing
access cover.
On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 7:26 AM, Rene Felker <rene@felker.com> wrote:
> One quick thought=85.aileron trim.
>
>
> Rene' Felker
>
> N423CF
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> 801-721-6080
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>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Billy & Tami Britton
> *Sent:* Friday, January 07, 2011 7:04 AM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RV10-List: Pitot question/ other questions before bottom wing
> skins
>
>
> I'll hopefully be ready to install my pitot in the next 3-4 weeks. I hav
e
> a Gretz heated pitot and somebody recommended I check it for leaks before
> installing. I guess this is where I'm showing my lack of knowledge.....H
ow
> do I check it for leaks???
>
>
> Also, does anybody have a list of items that should be done before riveti
ng
> on the bottom wing skins? I have the Vans conduit installed with a coupl
e
> strings pulled through each wing/conduit. I'll be using the gretz heated
> pitot as mentioned above. Some sort of LED NAV/POS lighting in the wingt
ips
> (not sure what yet--any recommendations) and the duckworks leading edge
> landing/taxi lighting in the wingtips, vans stall warning, etc.... I'm
> sure I'm leaving something out. Just curious if anybody had a list on an
y
> websites that may be a good idea to complete before bottom skins. Don't
> really plan on pulling wires yet but would atleast like to pull strings
> through to make wiring easier later.
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>
> Thanks in advance,
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> Bill
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As a current boat owner, what I can tell you is that for whatever reason, anything
for the boat, from a boat supplier, will cost you more than if you go to an
RV (land based ones) site.... Campers World, etc. This not for an isolated
specific product, virtually 100% of the time. I know the one previously listed
on this site was stainless, but these work fine.... and if they have the stainless
one's, they'd be 50% cheaper.
http://www.campingworld.com/shopping/item/adjustable-drink-holder/4176
Don McDonald
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Don A. McDonald
40636
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As a current boat owner, what I can tell you is that for whatever reason, anything
for the boat, from a boat supplier, will cost you more than if you go to an
RV (land based ones) site.... Campers World, etc. This not for an isolated
specific product, virtually 100% of the time. I know the one previously listed
on this site was stainless, but these work fine.... and if they have the stainless
one's, they'd be 50% cheaper.
http://www.campingworld.com/shopping/item/adjustable-drink-holder/4176
Don McDonald
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40636
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While I suspect a typo in the ad, this one also invites any FSDO
inspector to yank the A./W certificate, since someone obviously had to
lie on the application.
http://www.trade-a-plane.com/detail/1153643.html
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Says $190k in the text. Must be a typo.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325948#325948
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2009 Vans RV-10, 52 Hrs, pro built, new & cert IO-540 Lycoming, Hartsell CS,
Advan. Elect. EFIS, Garmin 496 6PS, Icom IC-A200 Com, Bendix/King trans,
KT76-A, wheel pants incl. $190,000
The 19K is a typo but saying it is "pro built" (which I assume is what you
mean about the FSDO?) tells a potential buyer that the guy that built it
thought he did a "professional level" job building the plane.
All subject to intepretation. I can tell you that there are things I have
done that were basically repairing a "professional job" since it was subpar
for me, so technically if I sold that piece I could say it was
professionally repaired..
-----Original Message-----
From: Kelly McMullen
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 4:37 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Cheap RV10
While I suspect a typo in the ad, this one also invites any FSDO
inspector to yank the A./W certificate, since someone obviously had to
lie on the application.
http://www.trade-a-plane.com/detail/1153643.html
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In the Item Description he added a Zero, so I think the price listed above is a
typo.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
On Jan 7, 2011, at 7:37 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
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> While I suspect a typo in the ad, this one also invites any FSDO inspector to
yank the A./W certificate, since someone obviously had to lie on the application.
>
>
> http://www.trade-a-plane.com/detail/1153643.html
>
>
>
>
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You also gotta love it when the people don't even know the
name of their EFIS and stuff like that.... or is there
now an Advan. Elec. EFIS out there that just came to market?
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 1/7/2011 6:37 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
> While I suspect a typo in the ad, this one also invites any FSDO
> inspector to yank the A./W certificate, since someone obviously had to
> lie on the application.
>
>
> http://www.trade-a-plane.com/detail/1153643.html
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pitot question/ other questions before bottom wing skins |
I would recommend that you follow Kelly's method to check the pitot head itself
before installing it in the wing. Mine had a leak inside the head. It was a pita
to remove it after the wing was skinned and installed. I assumed the leak
was in one of my fittings, and spent a lot of time checking every one from my
panel and working outboard.
Jim Berry
N15JB
Phase I
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More of why I suspect he didn't build it.
On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 7:03 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
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> You also gotta love it when the people don't even know the
> name of their EFIS and stuff like that.... or is there
> now an Advan. Elec. EFIS out there that just came to market?
>
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
> do not archive
>
>
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Maybe it's the new EEFIS (Electronic Electronic Flight Instrument System). I hear
those are really nice.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
On Jan 7, 2011, at 9:03 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> You also gotta love it when the people don't even know the
> name of their EFIS and stuff like that.... or is there
> now an Advan. Elec. EFIS out there that just came to market?
>
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
> do not archive
>
>
> On 1/7/2011 6:37 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>>
>> While I suspect a typo in the ad, this one also invites any FSDO
>> inspector to yank the A./W certificate, since someone obviously had to
>> lie on the application.
>>
>>
>> http://www.trade-a-plane.com/detail/1153643.html
>>
>
>
>
>
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I guess it is open to interpretation.
I read it to say he hired a professional to build it and did not do it
himself, contrary to the amateur built rule.
I suppose it could also mean he is a professional and built it himself for
his education and recreation in keeping with the spirit of the rule, or as
you say, he is an amateur claiming to have done a professional job. Or he
hired professional assistance to help him do a professional job.
On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 6:09 PM, Pascal <rv10builder@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> 2009 Vans RV-10, 52 Hrs, pro built, new & cert IO-540 Lycoming, Hartsell
> CS, Advan. Elect. EFIS, Garmin 496 6PS, Icom IC-A200 Com, Bendix/King trans,
> KT76-A, wheel pants incl. $190,000
>
> The 19K is a typo but saying it is "pro built" (which I assume is what you
> mean about the FSDO?) tells a potential buyer that the guy that built it
> thought he did a "professional level" job building the plane.
> All subject to interpretation. I can tell you that there are things I have
> done that were basically repairing a "professional job" since it was subpar
> for me, so technically if I sold that piece I could say it was
> professionally repaired..
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Kelly McMullen
> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 4:37 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Cheap RV10
>
>
>
> While I suspect a typo in the ad, this one also invites any FSDO
> inspector to yank the A./W certificate, since someone obviously had to
> lie on the application.
>
>
> http://www.trade-a-plane.com/detail/1153643.html
>
>
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We=99re saying the same thing Kelly, what I was getting at is that
if a FSDO came after him he could say he did it, more than likely the
FSDO would not come after him in Hoxie however. BTW his co builder was
Don Ammons, supposedly his plane was in the 2010 Vans Calendar for the
month of December.
I think it=99s great that the =9Cwheel pants=9D are
included!
Pascal
From: Kelly McMullen
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 6:15 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Cheap RV10
I guess it is open to interpretation.
I read it to say he hired a professional to build it and did not do it
himself, contrary to the amateur built rule.
I suppose it could also mean he is a professional and built it himself
for his education and recreation in keeping with the spirit of the rule,
or as you say, he is an amateur claiming to have done a professional
job. Or he hired professional assistance to help him do a professional
job.
On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 6:09 PM, Pascal <rv10builder@verizon.net> wrote:
2009 Vans RV-10, 52 Hrs, pro built, new & cert IO-540 Lycoming,
Hartsell CS, Advan. Elect. EFIS, Garmin 496 6PS, Icom IC-A200 Com,
Bendix/King trans, KT76-A, wheel pants incl. $190,000
The 19K is a typo but saying it is "pro built" (which I assume is what
you mean about the FSDO?) tells a potential buyer that the guy that
built it thought he did a "professional level" job building the plane.
All subject to interpretation. I can tell you that there are things I
have done that were basically repairing a "professional job" since it
was subpar for me, so technically if I sold that piece I could say it
was professionally repaired..
-----Original Message----- From: Kelly McMullen
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 4:37 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: Cheap RV10
While I suspect a typo in the ad, this one also invites any FSDO
inspector to yank the A./W certificate, since someone obviously had to
lie on the application.
http://www.trade-a-plane.com/detail/1153643.html
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| Subject: | Bell Crank Heads Up |
Hi
Today I was showing an A&P my project and he mentioned a problem he found
during a recent RV9A prebuy inspection he was doing. Apparently the nut on
the bolt joining the elevator bellcrank halves to the push tube had come
loose. Or prehaps it was never tightend properly. In any event, the AN3 bolt
ended up getting bent and was probably on its way to failure as the port /
starboard elevators now had play.
This is something to keep an eye on.
Cheers
Les
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