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1. 02:42 AM - Re: [OhioValleyRVators] Good interior shops? (Bob Leffler)
2. 04:37 AM - Re: Re: [OhioValleyRVators] Good interior shops? (Linn Walters)
3. 09:22 AM - Plane power alternator (DLM)
4. 01:23 PM - Fw: Plane power alternator (DLM)
5. 03:47 PM - wire size from 60 amp alternator (John Gonzalez)
6. 04:44 PM - Re: wire size from 60 amp alternator (Rob Kochman)
7. 04:47 PM - TSO's LED nav lights. (David Leikam)
8. 05:12 PM - Re: wire size from 60 amp alternator (Kelly McMullen)
9. 05:37 PM - Re: TSO's LED nav lights. (Bob Leffler)
10. 06:01 PM - Re: TSO's LED nav lights. (David Leikam)
11. 06:07 PM - Re: TSO's LED nav lights. (Pascal)
12. 06:33 PM - Re: TSO's LED nav lights. (Kelly McMullen)
13. 06:56 PM - Re: wire size from 60 amp alternator (John Gonzalez)
14. 07:11 PM - Re: wire size from 60 amp alternator (Kelly McMullen)
15. 07:41 PM - Re: wire size from 60 amp alternator (Strasnuts)
16. 09:38 PM - Re: Re: wire size from 60 amp alternator (John Gonzalez)
17. 09:52 PM - AFS AOA flap switch (John Gonzalez)
18. 10:27 PM - Re: Re: wire size from 60 amp alternator (Tim Olson)
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| Subject: | RE: [OhioValleyRVators] Good interior shops? |
Dick,
I would give Geoff Combs a call (614) 834-8659. As you may know, he
owns <http://aerosportproducts.com/> Aerosport Products that sells many
interior products for the RV-10. I know that Geoff has not only
completed his RV-10, he=99s also done interiors for several
Cherokees. I don=99t know if he=99s willing to take on a
project at the moment, but I=99m sure he can give you
recommendations of other firms that have installed his products.
Depending on what you are specifically looking to do, his product line
should be able to cover just about everything you would want to do for
your RV-10.
Bob
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Sipp
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 8:14 PM
Subject: [OhioValleyRVators] Good interior shops?
I=99m soliciting recommendations for good aircraft interior
installation shops anywhere in the Midwest.
Do you know of one that did work for you that you are happy with?
Many thanks.
Tailwinds
Dick Sipp
RV-10 N110DV 310 hours
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| Subject: | Re: RE: [OhioValleyRVators] Good interior shops? |
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| Subject: | Plane power alternator |
Received a verbal today that the alternator is being covered under
warranty. The problem was alternator wire winding related, and possibly
caused due to vibration issues. The brush assembly was not related to
the problem. I carry an extra brush assembly in the spare parts box but
in this case it did not fix the problem. Also the blast tube
recommendation is a Vans suggestion due to the fact that they used to
supply converted car alternators that required the extra cooling.
According to PP, no extra cooling is required due to two integral fans
on their unit. PP received the unit Thursday afternoon and shipped
repaired unit Friday morning. In my experience of flying airplanes for
45 years the response was good.
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| Subject: | Fw: Plane power alternator |
correction they replaced with a new alternator under warranty.
----- Original Message -----
From: DLM
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 10:17 AM
Subject: Plane power alternator
Received a verbal today that the alternator is being covered under
warranty. The problem was alternator wire winding related, and possibly
caused due to vibration issues. The brush assembly was not related to
the problem. I carry an extra brush assembly in the spare parts box but
in this case it did not fix the problem. Also the blast tube
recommendation is a Vans suggestion due to the fact that they used to
supply converted car alternators that required the extra cooling.
According to PP, no extra cooling is required due to two integral fans
on their unit. PP received the unit Thursday afternoon and shipped
repaired unit Friday morning. In my experience of flying airplanes for
45 years the response was good.
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| Subject: | wire size from 60 amp alternator |
I didn't see a specification on a wire size in the simple wiring instructio
ns on the Plane Power web site.
Unfortunately=2C I only have size #8 wire=2C but #6 wire was recommended by
my panel builder.
Unfortunately my wire run length will be long as I am going from the right
side of the firewall to the left side of the panel where the circuit breake
rs are=2C back to the right side of the firewall where my AFS shunt is=2C t
hen back over to my main buss on the left side behind the panel. I should h
ave placed the shunt on the left side of the firewall=2C probably save me 2
.5 feet of length.
JOhn
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| Subject: | Re: wire size from 60 amp alternator |
If I were in your situation, I'd buy some #6. I wired mine with #8,
following the Van's wiring diagram, then realized that the diagram was for a
40A (I think) alternator. I decided to just go with it, since my load is
relativey low and wiring run short: down the left side of the engine to the
left side of the firewall for the ANL (no CB in the panel).
-Rob
On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 3:36 PM, John Gonzalez <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>wrote:
> I didn't see a specification on a wire size in the *simple wiring
> instructions* on the Plane Power web site.
>
> Unfortunately, I only have size #8 wire, but #6 wire was recommended by my
> panel builder.
>
> Unfortunately my wire run length will be long as I am going from the right
> side of the firewall to the left side of the panel where the circuit
> breakers are, back to the right side of the firewall where my AFS shunt is,
> then back over to my main buss on the left side behind the panel. I should
> have placed the shunt on the left side of the firewall, probably save me 2.5
> feet of length.
>
> JOhn
>
> *
>
> *
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>
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Rob Kochman
RV-10 "Finishing" Kit
Woodinville, WA (near Seattle)
http://kochman.net/N819K
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| Subject: | TSO's LED nav lights. |
Does anyone know if the old Creative Air LED nav lights are TSO'd? Or how to get
in touch with Whiskey Victor company guy?
David Leikam
RV10
N89DA
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| Subject: | Re: wire size from 60 amp alternator |
I'd also look at finding a way to reduce to wire length. Move the alt
circuit breaker or shunt so the flow is a straight line, not making a
double back across the firewall. I know of many certified planes that
bring the alt lead to voltage reg on right side of fire wall, then
direct to shunt and to right side of instrument panel, and the bus
extends full width right to left.
Kelly
On 1/21/2011 5:22 PM, Rob Kochman wrote:
> If I were in your situation, I'd buy some #6. I wired mine with #8,
> following the Van's wiring diagram, then realized that the diagram was
> for a 40A (I think) alternator. I decided to just go with it, since
> my load is relativey low and wiring run short: down the left side of
> the engine to the left side of the firewall for the ANL (no CB in the
> panel).
> -Rob
>
> On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 3:36 PM, John Gonzalez <indigoonlatigo@msn.com
> <mailto:indigoonlatigo@msn.com>> wrote:
>
> I didn't see a specification on a wire size in the _simple wiring
> instructions_ on the Plane Power web site.
>
> Unfortunately, I only have size #8 wire, but #6 wire was
> recommended by my panel builder.
>
> Unfortunately my wire run length will be long as I am going from
> the right side of the firewall to the left side of the panel where
> the circuit breakers are, back to the right side of the firewall
> where my AFS shunt is, then back over to my main buss on the left
> side behind the panel. I should have placed the shunt on the left
> side of the firewall, probably save me 2.5 feet of length.
>
> JOhn
>
> *
>
> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> ttp://forums.matronics.com
> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
> *
>
>
> --
> Rob Kochman
> RV-10 "Finishing" Kit
> Woodinville, WA (near Seattle)
> http://kochman.net/N819K
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | TSO's LED nav lights. |
No, they're not TSO'd. There are several threads on VAF about Bill's
customer service. I think most of his headaches started when he couldn't
sustain the business full time and had to take another job. This was right
after the newer nav lights he was attempting to sell had major RF issues.
The older nav lights were Killacycle products,
http://www.killacycle.com/Lights.htm . I would deal directly with the
Killacycle folks if you want to build the kit version.
bob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Leikam
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 7:21 PM
Subject: RV10-List: TSO's LED nav lights.
Does anyone know if the old Creative Air LED nav lights are TSO'd? Or how
to get in touch with Whiskey Victor company guy?
David Leikam
RV10
N89DA
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| Subject: | Re: TSO's LED nav lights. |
Thanks Bob,
I already have them installed as my plane is ready for inspection. The issue was
brought up that in order to be legal for night VFR and IFR, the nav lights
must be TSO'd or meet FAA standards. So I guess the better question is, do they
meet FAA requirements? Looking at the link you sent, it seems they do.
Thanks.
David Leikam
RV10
N89DA
On Jan 21, 2011, at 7:27 PM, Bob Leffler wrote:
>
> No, they're not TSO'd. There are several threads on VAF about Bill's
> customer service. I think most of his headaches started when he couldn't
> sustain the business full time and had to take another job. This was right
> after the newer nav lights he was attempting to sell had major RF issues.
> The older nav lights were Killacycle products,
> http://www.killacycle.com/Lights.htm . I would deal directly with the
> Killacycle folks if you want to build the kit version.
>
> bob
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Leikam
> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 7:21 PM
> To: RV-10 matronics
> Subject: RV10-List: TSO's LED nav lights.
>
>
> Does anyone know if the old Creative Air LED nav lights are TSO'd? Or how
> to get in touch with Whiskey Victor company guy?
>
> David Leikam
> RV10
> N89DA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: TSO's LED nav lights. |
I built my own thru a thread on VAF. Pretty easy stuff!
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=37018&highlight=led+nav+light
Pascal
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Leffler
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 5:27 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: TSO's LED nav lights.
No, they're not TSO'd. There are several threads on VAF about Bill's
customer service. I think most of his headaches started when he couldn't
sustain the business full time and had to take another job. This was right
after the newer nav lights he was attempting to sell had major RF issues.
The older nav lights were Killacycle products,
http://www.killacycle.com/Lights.htm . I would deal directly with the
Killacycle folks if you want to build the kit version.
bob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Leikam
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 7:21 PM
Subject: RV10-List: TSO's LED nav lights.
Does anyone know if the old Creative Air LED nav lights are TSO'd? Or how
to get in touch with Whiskey Victor company guy?
David Leikam
RV10
N89DA
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| Subject: | Re: TSO's LED nav lights. |
Initial inspection and approval for Phase I will be for day VFR only,
and ops limits will have statement of the regs that have to be met in
order to fly night or IFR in Phase II. You only have to have Day VFR
equipment for Phase I.
So you don't need IFR static system approval, you don't need to meet
night lighting standards to get airworthiness certificate. If DAR
questions, I think you could just say you understand the requirements,
existing lights are just place holders for lighting you intend to
install in the future.
Kelly
On 1/21/2011 6:55 PM, David Leikam wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: David Leikam<daveleikam@wi.rr.com>
>
> Thanks Bob,
> I already have them installed as my plane is ready for inspection. The issue
was brought up that in order to be legal for night VFR and IFR, the nav lights
must be TSO'd or meet FAA standards. So I guess the better question is, do
they meet FAA requirements? Looking at the link you sent, it seems they do.
> Thanks.
>
> David Leikam
> RV10
> N89DA
>
>
> On Jan 21, 2011, at 7:27 PM, Bob Leffler wrote:
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Bob Leffler"<rv@thelefflers.com>
>>
>> No, they're not TSO'd. There are several threads on VAF about Bill's
>> customer service. I think most of his headaches started when he couldn't
>> sustain the business full time and had to take another job. This was right
>> after the newer nav lights he was attempting to sell had major RF issues.
>> The older nav lights were Killacycle products,
>> http://www.killacycle.com/Lights.htm . I would deal directly with the
>> Killacycle folks if you want to build the kit version.
>>
>> bob
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Leikam
>> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 7:21 PM
>> To: RV-10 matronics
>> Subject: RV10-List: TSO's LED nav lights.
>>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: David Leikam<daveleikam@wi.rr.com>
>>
>> Does anyone know if the old Creative Air LED nav lights are TSO'd? Or how
>> to get in touch with Whiskey Victor company guy?
>>
>> David Leikam
>> RV10
>> N89DA
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| Subject: | wire size from 60 amp alternator |
I was told to place the shunt between the circuit breaker and the main bus
=2C and not place the shunt right off the alternator as the circuit breaker
wouldn't protect the shunt????I was trying to minimize the holes in the fi
rewall and there is the unused hole on the right side of the firewall near
where the manifold pressure line passes through the firewall. Plus=2C I alr
eady drilled the holes for the shunt screws and my wiring passes through on
the right side.I want to keep the circuit breakers together on the panel.
I have one circuit breaker on the left by the ignition switch for my electr
onic G3 ignition. BTW-0 I am flying from the right seat.
> Date: Fri=2C 21 Jan 2011 17:49:55 -0700
> From: kellym@aviating.com
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: wire size from 60 amp alternator
>
>
> I'd also look at finding a way to reduce to wire length. Move the alt
> circuit breaker or shunt so the flow is a straight line=2C not making a
> double back across the firewall. I know of many certified planes that
> bring the alt lead to voltage reg on right side of fire wall=2C then
> direct to shunt and to right side of instrument panel=2C and the bus
> extends full width right to left.
> Kelly
>
>
> On 1/21/2011 5:22 PM=2C Rob Kochman wrote:
> > If I were in your situation=2C I'd buy some #6. I wired mine with #8
=2C
> > following the Van's wiring diagram=2C then realized that the diagram wa
s
> > for a 40A (I think) alternator. I decided to just go with it=2C since
> > my load is relativey low and wiring run short: down the left side of
> > the engine to the left side of the firewall for the ANL (no CB in the
> > panel).
> > -Rob
> >
> > On Fri=2C Jan 21=2C 2011 at 3:36 PM=2C John Gonzalez <indigoonlatigo@ms
n.com
> > <mailto:indigoonlatigo@msn.com>> wrote:
> >
> > I didn't see a specification on a wire size in the _simple wiring
> > instructions_ on the Plane Power web site.
> >
> > Unfortunately=2C I only have size #8 wire=2C but #6 wire was
> > recommended by my panel builder.
> >
> > Unfortunately my wire run length will be long as I am going from
> > the right side of the firewall to the left side of the panel where
> > the circuit breakers are=2C back to the right side of the firewall
> > where my AFS shunt is=2C then back over to my main buss on the left
> > side behind the panel. I should have placed the shunt on the left
> > side of the firewall=2C probably save me 2.5 feet of length.
> >
> > JOhn
> >
> > *
> >
> > get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> > ttp://forums.matronics.com
> > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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> > --
> > Rob Kochman
> > RV-10 "Finishing" Kit
> > Woodinville=2C WA (near Seattle)
> > http://kochman.net/N819K
> > *
> >
> >
> > *
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| Subject: | Re: wire size from 60 amp alternator |
A shunt doesn't need circuit breaker protection. It is fully capable of
carrying as much load as the wire. The leads to the ammeter off the shunt
are normally fused to protect the meter. Most shunts are just a solid piece
of copper cut to have a specific low level resistance that will
essentially cause 50 mv to flow to meter when full rated load passes through
the shunt.
On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 7:52 PM, John Gonzalez <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>wrote:
> I was told to place the shunt between the circuit breaker and the main
> bus, and not place the shunt right off the alternator as the circuit breaker
> wouldn't protect the shunt????
>
> I was trying to minimize the holes in the firewall and there is the unused
> hole on the right side of the firewall near where the manifold pressure line
> passes through the firewall. Plus, I already drilled the holes for the shunt
> screws and my wiring passes through on the right side.
>
> I want to keep the circuit breakers together on the panel. I have one
> circuit breaker on the left by the ignition switch for my electronic G3
> ignition. BTW-0 I am flying from the right seat.
>
> > Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 17:49:55 -0700
> > From: kellym@aviating.com
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: wire size from 60 amp alternator
>
> >
> >
> > I'd also look at finding a way to reduce to wire length. Move the alt
> > circuit breaker or shunt so the flow is a straight line, not making a
> > double back across the firewall. I know of many certified planes that
> > bring the alt lead to voltage reg on right side of fire wall, then
> > direct to shunt and to right side of instrument panel, and the bus
> > extends full width right to left.
> > Kelly
> >
> >
> > On 1/21/2011 5:22 PM, Rob Kochman wrote:
> > > If I were in your situation, I'd buy some #6. I wired mine with #8,
> > > following the Van's wiring diagram, then realized that the diagram was
> > > for a 40A (I think) alternator. I decided to just go with it, since
> > > my load is relativey low and wiring run short: down the left side of
> > > the engine to the left side of the firewall for the ANL (no CB in the
> > > panel).
> > > -Rob
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 3:36 PM, John Gonzalez <indigoonlatigo@msn.com
> > > <mailto:indigoonlatigo@msn.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > > I didn't see a specification on a wire size in the _simple wiring
> > > instructions_ on the Plane Power web site.
> > >
> > > Unfortunately, I only have size #8 wire, but #6 wire was
> > > recommended by my panel builder.
> > >
> > > Unfortunately my wire run length will be long as I am going from
> > > the right side of the firewall to the left side of the panel where
> > > the circuit breakers are, back to the right side of the firewall
> > > where my AFS shunt is, then back over to my main buss on the left
> > > side behind the panel. I should have placed the shunt on the left
> > > side of the firewall, probably save me 2.5 feet of length.
> > >
> > > JOhn
> > >
> > > *
> > >
> > > get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> > > ttp://forums.matronics.com
> > > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> > >
> > > *
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Rob Kochman
> > > RV-10 "Finishing" Kit
> > > Woodinville, WA (near Seattle)
> > > http://kochman.net/N819K
> > > *
> > >
> > >
> > >============
>
> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: wire size from 60 amp alternator |
I know the Garmin stuff requires a 1 amp fuse on both leads from the shunts. I
had to install four 1 amp fuses for the shunt between the alt and the one on
the battery.
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| Subject: | Re: wire size from 60 amp alternator |
The #22 wires leaving the shunt goes to the AFS plug on the back of the EFI
S. In the schematic=2C there is no indication of needing a fuse between the
shunt and the connector on the back of the EFIS. Then again=2C the schemat
ic doesn't show the location of the 60amp fuse either.
The Plane Power drawing shows the 60amp fuse=2C but doesn't show the shunt.
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: wire size from 60 amp alternator
> From: sean@braunandco.com
> Date: Fri=2C 21 Jan 2011 19:37:30 -0800
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>
>
> I know the Garmin stuff requires a 1 amp fuse on both leads from the shun
ts. I had to install four 1 amp fuses for the shunt between the alt and th
e one on the battery.
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> RV-10 SB Fuselage
> N801VR reserved
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| Subject: | AFS AOA flap switch |
I don't understand why I have a Ray Allen flap position sensor which doesn'
t replace the flap switch for the AOA. Seems like a software issue which co
uld supercede the hardware issue.
Anyone have pictures of the AOA flap switch installed.
I have the Ray Allen flap sensor already completed.
Thanks
John
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| Subject: | Re: wire size from 60 amp alternator |
That's different in that it's just the small wire leads that you're
using to measure the shunt. You don't fuse the fat wire before it
though....only the little wires.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
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On 1/21/2011 9:37 PM, Strasnuts wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Strasnuts"<sean@braunandco.com>
>
> I know the Garmin stuff requires a 1 amp fuse on both leads from the shunts.
I had to install four 1 amp fuses for the shunt between the alt and the one on
the battery.
>
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> Cust. #40936
> RV-10 SB Fuselage
> N801VR reserved
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> Read this topic online here:
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