---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 01/21/11: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:42 AM - Re: [OhioValleyRVators] Good interior shops? (Bob Leffler) 2. 04:37 AM - Re: Re: [OhioValleyRVators] Good interior shops? (Linn Walters) 3. 09:22 AM - Plane power alternator (DLM) 4. 01:23 PM - Fw: Plane power alternator (DLM) 5. 03:47 PM - wire size from 60 amp alternator (John Gonzalez) 6. 04:44 PM - Re: wire size from 60 amp alternator (Rob Kochman) 7. 04:47 PM - TSO's LED nav lights. (David Leikam) 8. 05:12 PM - Re: wire size from 60 amp alternator (Kelly McMullen) 9. 05:37 PM - Re: TSO's LED nav lights. (Bob Leffler) 10. 06:01 PM - Re: TSO's LED nav lights. (David Leikam) 11. 06:07 PM - Re: TSO's LED nav lights. (Pascal) 12. 06:33 PM - Re: TSO's LED nav lights. (Kelly McMullen) 13. 06:56 PM - Re: wire size from 60 amp alternator (John Gonzalez) 14. 07:11 PM - Re: wire size from 60 amp alternator (Kelly McMullen) 15. 07:41 PM - Re: wire size from 60 amp alternator (Strasnuts) 16. 09:38 PM - Re: Re: wire size from 60 amp alternator (John Gonzalez) 17. 09:52 PM - AFS AOA flap switch (John Gonzalez) 18. 10:27 PM - Re: Re: wire size from 60 amp alternator (Tim Olson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:42:29 AM PST US From: "Bob Leffler" Subject: RV10-List: RE: [OhioValleyRVators] Good interior shops? Dick, I would give Geoff Combs a call (614) 834-8659. As you may know, he owns Aerosport Products that sells many interior products for the RV-10. I know that Geoff has not only completed his RV-10, he=99s also done interiors for several Cherokees. I don=99t know if he=99s willing to take on a project at the moment, but I=99m sure he can give you recommendations of other firms that have installed his products. Depending on what you are specifically looking to do, his product line should be able to cover just about everything you would want to do for your RV-10. Bob From: OhioValleyRVators@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OhioValleyRVators@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dick & Vicki Sipp Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 8:14 PM Subject: [OhioValleyRVators] Good interior shops? I=99m soliciting recommendations for good aircraft interior installation shops anywhere in the Midwest. Do you know of one that did work for you that you are happy with? Many thanks. Tailwinds Dick Sipp RV-10 N110DV 310 hours Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (1) .. Description: Image removed by sender. __._,_.___ Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (6) Recent Activity: Visit Your Group Description: Image removed by sender. Yahoo! Groups Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest =A2 Unsubscribe =A2 Terms of Use .. Description: Image removed by sender. __,_._,___ ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:37:41 AM PST US From: Linn Walters Subject: Re: RV10-List: RE: [OhioValleyRVators] Good interior shops? ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:22:50 AM PST US From: "DLM" Subject: RV10-List: Plane power alternator Received a verbal today that the alternator is being covered under warranty. The problem was alternator wire winding related, and possibly caused due to vibration issues. The brush assembly was not related to the problem. I carry an extra brush assembly in the spare parts box but in this case it did not fix the problem. Also the blast tube recommendation is a Vans suggestion due to the fact that they used to supply converted car alternators that required the extra cooling. According to PP, no extra cooling is required due to two integral fans on their unit. PP received the unit Thursday afternoon and shipped repaired unit Friday morning. In my experience of flying airplanes for 45 years the response was good. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:23:34 PM PST US From: "DLM" Subject: RV10-List: Fw: Plane power alternator correction they replaced with a new alternator under warranty. ----- Original Message ----- From: DLM Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 10:17 AM Subject: Plane power alternator Received a verbal today that the alternator is being covered under warranty. The problem was alternator wire winding related, and possibly caused due to vibration issues. The brush assembly was not related to the problem. I carry an extra brush assembly in the spare parts box but in this case it did not fix the problem. Also the blast tube recommendation is a Vans suggestion due to the fact that they used to supply converted car alternators that required the extra cooling. According to PP, no extra cooling is required due to two integral fans on their unit. PP received the unit Thursday afternoon and shipped repaired unit Friday morning. In my experience of flying airplanes for 45 years the response was good. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:47:37 PM PST US From: John Gonzalez Subject: RV10-List: wire size from 60 amp alternator I didn't see a specification on a wire size in the simple wiring instructio ns on the Plane Power web site. Unfortunately=2C I only have size #8 wire=2C but #6 wire was recommended by my panel builder. Unfortunately my wire run length will be long as I am going from the right side of the firewall to the left side of the panel where the circuit breake rs are=2C back to the right side of the firewall where my AFS shunt is=2C t hen back over to my main buss on the left side behind the panel. I should h ave placed the shunt on the left side of the firewall=2C probably save me 2 .5 feet of length. JOhn ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:44:41 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: wire size from 60 amp alternator From: Rob Kochman If I were in your situation, I'd buy some #6. I wired mine with #8, following the Van's wiring diagram, then realized that the diagram was for a 40A (I think) alternator. I decided to just go with it, since my load is relativey low and wiring run short: down the left side of the engine to the left side of the firewall for the ANL (no CB in the panel). -Rob On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 3:36 PM, John Gonzalez wrote: > I didn't see a specification on a wire size in the *simple wiring > instructions* on the Plane Power web site. > > Unfortunately, I only have size #8 wire, but #6 wire was recommended by my > panel builder. > > Unfortunately my wire run length will be long as I am going from the right > side of the firewall to the left side of the panel where the circuit > breakers are, back to the right side of the firewall where my AFS shunt is, > then back over to my main buss on the left side behind the panel. I should > have placed the shunt on the left side of the firewall, probably save me 2.5 > feet of length. > > JOhn > > * > > * > > -- Rob Kochman RV-10 "Finishing" Kit Woodinville, WA (near Seattle) http://kochman.net/N819K ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:47:38 PM PST US From: David Leikam Subject: RV10-List: TSO's LED nav lights. Does anyone know if the old Creative Air LED nav lights are TSO'd? Or how to get in touch with Whiskey Victor company guy? David Leikam RV10 N89DA ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:12:11 PM PST US From: Kelly McMullen Subject: Re: RV10-List: wire size from 60 amp alternator I'd also look at finding a way to reduce to wire length. Move the alt circuit breaker or shunt so the flow is a straight line, not making a double back across the firewall. I know of many certified planes that bring the alt lead to voltage reg on right side of fire wall, then direct to shunt and to right side of instrument panel, and the bus extends full width right to left. Kelly On 1/21/2011 5:22 PM, Rob Kochman wrote: > If I were in your situation, I'd buy some #6. I wired mine with #8, > following the Van's wiring diagram, then realized that the diagram was > for a 40A (I think) alternator. I decided to just go with it, since > my load is relativey low and wiring run short: down the left side of > the engine to the left side of the firewall for the ANL (no CB in the > panel). > -Rob > > On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 3:36 PM, John Gonzalez > wrote: > > I didn't see a specification on a wire size in the _simple wiring > instructions_ on the Plane Power web site. > > Unfortunately, I only have size #8 wire, but #6 wire was > recommended by my panel builder. > > Unfortunately my wire run length will be long as I am going from > the right side of the firewall to the left side of the panel where > the circuit breakers are, back to the right side of the firewall > where my AFS shunt is, then back over to my main buss on the left > side behind the panel. I should have placed the shunt on the left > side of the firewall, probably save me 2.5 feet of length. > > JOhn > > * > > get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > ttp://forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > * > > > -- > Rob Kochman > RV-10 "Finishing" Kit > Woodinville, WA (near Seattle) > http://kochman.net/N819K > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:37:54 PM PST US From: "Bob Leffler" Subject: RE: RV10-List: TSO's LED nav lights. No, they're not TSO'd. There are several threads on VAF about Bill's customer service. I think most of his headaches started when he couldn't sustain the business full time and had to take another job. This was right after the newer nav lights he was attempting to sell had major RF issues. The older nav lights were Killacycle products, http://www.killacycle.com/Lights.htm . I would deal directly with the Killacycle folks if you want to build the kit version. bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Leikam Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 7:21 PM Subject: RV10-List: TSO's LED nav lights. Does anyone know if the old Creative Air LED nav lights are TSO'd? Or how to get in touch with Whiskey Victor company guy? David Leikam RV10 N89DA ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:01:04 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: TSO's LED nav lights. From: David Leikam Thanks Bob, I already have them installed as my plane is ready for inspection. The issue was brought up that in order to be legal for night VFR and IFR, the nav lights must be TSO'd or meet FAA standards. So I guess the better question is, do they meet FAA requirements? Looking at the link you sent, it seems they do. Thanks. David Leikam RV10 N89DA On Jan 21, 2011, at 7:27 PM, Bob Leffler wrote: > > No, they're not TSO'd. There are several threads on VAF about Bill's > customer service. I think most of his headaches started when he couldn't > sustain the business full time and had to take another job. This was right > after the newer nav lights he was attempting to sell had major RF issues. > The older nav lights were Killacycle products, > http://www.killacycle.com/Lights.htm . I would deal directly with the > Killacycle folks if you want to build the kit version. > > bob > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Leikam > Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 7:21 PM > To: RV-10 matronics > Subject: RV10-List: TSO's LED nav lights. > > > Does anyone know if the old Creative Air LED nav lights are TSO'd? Or how > to get in touch with Whiskey Victor company guy? > > David Leikam > RV10 > N89DA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:07:59 PM PST US From: "Pascal" Subject: Re: RV10-List: TSO's LED nav lights. I built my own thru a thread on VAF. Pretty easy stuff! http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=37018&highlight=led+nav+light Pascal -----Original Message----- From: Bob Leffler Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 5:27 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: TSO's LED nav lights. No, they're not TSO'd. There are several threads on VAF about Bill's customer service. I think most of his headaches started when he couldn't sustain the business full time and had to take another job. This was right after the newer nav lights he was attempting to sell had major RF issues. The older nav lights were Killacycle products, http://www.killacycle.com/Lights.htm . I would deal directly with the Killacycle folks if you want to build the kit version. bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Leikam Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 7:21 PM Subject: RV10-List: TSO's LED nav lights. Does anyone know if the old Creative Air LED nav lights are TSO'd? Or how to get in touch with Whiskey Victor company guy? David Leikam RV10 N89DA ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:33:44 PM PST US From: Kelly McMullen Subject: Re: RV10-List: TSO's LED nav lights. Initial inspection and approval for Phase I will be for day VFR only, and ops limits will have statement of the regs that have to be met in order to fly night or IFR in Phase II. You only have to have Day VFR equipment for Phase I. So you don't need IFR static system approval, you don't need to meet night lighting standards to get airworthiness certificate. If DAR questions, I think you could just say you understand the requirements, existing lights are just place holders for lighting you intend to install in the future. Kelly On 1/21/2011 6:55 PM, David Leikam wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: David Leikam > > Thanks Bob, > I already have them installed as my plane is ready for inspection. The issue was brought up that in order to be legal for night VFR and IFR, the nav lights must be TSO'd or meet FAA standards. So I guess the better question is, do they meet FAA requirements? Looking at the link you sent, it seems they do. > Thanks. > > David Leikam > RV10 > N89DA > > > On Jan 21, 2011, at 7:27 PM, Bob Leffler wrote: > >> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Bob Leffler" >> >> No, they're not TSO'd. There are several threads on VAF about Bill's >> customer service. I think most of his headaches started when he couldn't >> sustain the business full time and had to take another job. This was right >> after the newer nav lights he was attempting to sell had major RF issues. >> The older nav lights were Killacycle products, >> http://www.killacycle.com/Lights.htm . I would deal directly with the >> Killacycle folks if you want to build the kit version. >> >> bob >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Leikam >> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 7:21 PM >> To: RV-10 matronics >> Subject: RV10-List: TSO's LED nav lights. >> >> --> RV10-List message posted by: David Leikam >> >> Does anyone know if the old Creative Air LED nav lights are TSO'd? Or how >> to get in touch with Whiskey Victor company guy? >> >> David Leikam >> RV10 >> N89DA >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:56:55 PM PST US From: John Gonzalez Subject: RE: RV10-List: wire size from 60 amp alternator I was told to place the shunt between the circuit breaker and the main bus =2C and not place the shunt right off the alternator as the circuit breaker wouldn't protect the shunt????I was trying to minimize the holes in the fi rewall and there is the unused hole on the right side of the firewall near where the manifold pressure line passes through the firewall. Plus=2C I alr eady drilled the holes for the shunt screws and my wiring passes through on the right side.I want to keep the circuit breakers together on the panel. I have one circuit breaker on the left by the ignition switch for my electr onic G3 ignition. BTW-0 I am flying from the right seat. > Date: Fri=2C 21 Jan 2011 17:49:55 -0700 > From: kellym@aviating.com > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: wire size from 60 amp alternator > > > I'd also look at finding a way to reduce to wire length. Move the alt > circuit breaker or shunt so the flow is a straight line=2C not making a > double back across the firewall. I know of many certified planes that > bring the alt lead to voltage reg on right side of fire wall=2C then > direct to shunt and to right side of instrument panel=2C and the bus > extends full width right to left. > Kelly > > > On 1/21/2011 5:22 PM=2C Rob Kochman wrote: > > If I were in your situation=2C I'd buy some #6. I wired mine with #8 =2C > > following the Van's wiring diagram=2C then realized that the diagram wa s > > for a 40A (I think) alternator. I decided to just go with it=2C since > > my load is relativey low and wiring run short: down the left side of > > the engine to the left side of the firewall for the ANL (no CB in the > > panel). > > -Rob > > > > On Fri=2C Jan 21=2C 2011 at 3:36 PM=2C John Gonzalez > > wrote: > > > > I didn't see a specification on a wire size in the _simple wiring > > instructions_ on the Plane Power web site. > > > > Unfortunately=2C I only have size #8 wire=2C but #6 wire was > > recommended by my panel builder. > > > > Unfortunately my wire run length will be long as I am going from > > the right side of the firewall to the left side of the panel where > > the circuit breakers are=2C back to the right side of the firewall > > where my AFS shunt is=2C then back over to my main buss on the left > > side behind the panel. I should have placed the shunt on the left > > side of the firewall=2C probably save me 2.5 feet of length. > > > > JOhn > > > > * > > > > get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > > ttp://forums.matronics.com > > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > * > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Rob Kochman > > RV-10 "Finishing" Kit > > Woodinville=2C WA (near Seattle) > > http://kochman.net/N819K > > * > > > > > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:11:40 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: wire size from 60 amp alternator From: Kelly McMullen A shunt doesn't need circuit breaker protection. It is fully capable of carrying as much load as the wire. The leads to the ammeter off the shunt are normally fused to protect the meter. Most shunts are just a solid piece of copper cut to have a specific low level resistance that will essentially cause 50 mv to flow to meter when full rated load passes through the shunt. On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 7:52 PM, John Gonzalez wrote: > I was told to place the shunt between the circuit breaker and the main > bus, and not place the shunt right off the alternator as the circuit breaker > wouldn't protect the shunt???? > > I was trying to minimize the holes in the firewall and there is the unused > hole on the right side of the firewall near where the manifold pressure line > passes through the firewall. Plus, I already drilled the holes for the shunt > screws and my wiring passes through on the right side. > > I want to keep the circuit breakers together on the panel. I have one > circuit breaker on the left by the ignition switch for my electronic G3 > ignition. BTW-0 I am flying from the right seat. > > > Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 17:49:55 -0700 > > From: kellym@aviating.com > > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Re: RV10-List: wire size from 60 amp alternator > > > > > > > I'd also look at finding a way to reduce to wire length. Move the alt > > circuit breaker or shunt so the flow is a straight line, not making a > > double back across the firewall. I know of many certified planes that > > bring the alt lead to voltage reg on right side of fire wall, then > > direct to shunt and to right side of instrument panel, and the bus > > extends full width right to left. > > Kelly > > > > > > On 1/21/2011 5:22 PM, Rob Kochman wrote: > > > If I were in your situation, I'd buy some #6. I wired mine with #8, > > > following the Van's wiring diagram, then realized that the diagram was > > > for a 40A (I think) alternator. I decided to just go with it, since > > > my load is relativey low and wiring run short: down the left side of > > > the engine to the left side of the firewall for the ANL (no CB in the > > > panel). > > > -Rob > > > > > > On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 3:36 PM, John Gonzalez > > > wrote: > > > > > > I didn't see a specification on a wire size in the _simple wiring > > > instructions_ on the Plane Power web site. > > > > > > Unfortunately, I only have size #8 wire, but #6 wire was > > > recommended by my panel builder. > > > > > > Unfortunately my wire run length will be long as I am going from > > > the right side of the firewall to the left side of the panel where > > > the circuit breakers are, back to the right side of the firewall > > > where my AFS shunt is, then back over to my main buss on the left > > > side behind the panel. I should have placed the shunt on the left > > > side of the firewall, probably save me 2.5 feet of length. > > > > > > JOhn > > > > > > * > > > > > > get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > > > ttp://forums.matronics.com > > > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > > * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Rob Kochman > > > RV-10 "Finishing" Kit > > > Woodinville, WA (near Seattle) > > > http://kochman.net/N819K > > > * > > > > > > > > >============ > > > > > > > > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:41:54 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: wire size from 60 amp alternator From: "Strasnuts" I know the Garmin stuff requires a 1 amp fuse on both leads from the shunts. I had to install four 1 amp fuses for the shunt between the alt and the one on the battery. -------- Cust. #40936 RV-10 SB Fuselage N801VR reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=327852#327852 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:38:49 PM PST US From: John Gonzalez Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: wire size from 60 amp alternator The #22 wires leaving the shunt goes to the AFS plug on the back of the EFI S. In the schematic=2C there is no indication of needing a fuse between the shunt and the connector on the back of the EFIS. Then again=2C the schemat ic doesn't show the location of the 60amp fuse either. The Plane Power drawing shows the 60amp fuse=2C but doesn't show the shunt. > Subject: RV10-List: Re: wire size from 60 amp alternator > From: sean@braunandco.com > Date: Fri=2C 21 Jan 2011 19:37:30 -0800 > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > > > I know the Garmin stuff requires a 1 amp fuse on both leads from the shun ts. I had to install four 1 amp fuses for the shunt between the alt and th e one on the battery. > > -------- > Cust. #40936 > RV-10 SB Fuselage > N801VR reserved > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=327852#327852 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:52:07 PM PST US From: John Gonzalez Subject: RV10-List: AFS AOA flap switch I don't understand why I have a Ray Allen flap position sensor which doesn' t replace the flap switch for the AOA. Seems like a software issue which co uld supercede the hardware issue. Anyone have pictures of the AOA flap switch installed. I have the Ray Allen flap sensor already completed. Thanks John ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:27:31 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: wire size from 60 amp alternator That's different in that it's just the small wire leads that you're using to measure the shunt. You don't fuse the fat wire before it though....only the little wires. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD do not archive On 1/21/2011 9:37 PM, Strasnuts wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Strasnuts" > > I know the Garmin stuff requires a 1 amp fuse on both leads from the shunts. I had to install four 1 amp fuses for the shunt between the alt and the one on the battery. > > -------- > Cust. #40936 > RV-10 SB Fuselage > N801VR reserved > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=327852#327852 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.