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1. 03:42 AM - Re: AFS AOA flap switch (Alan Mekler)
2. 04:35 AM - Re: AFS AOA flap switch (Bob Leffler)
3. 04:40 AM - Re: Re: wire size from 60 amp alternator (Seano)
4. 04:46 AM - Re: Re: wire size from 60 amp alternator (Kelly McMullen)
5. 04:48 AM - Re: AFS AOA flap switch (Alan Mekler)
6. 05:41 AM - Re: AFS AOA flap switch (Michael Kraus)
7. 07:27 AM - Re: AFS AOA flap switch (Dave Saylor)
8. 07:55 AM - Re: TSO's LED nav lights. (Pascal)
9. 07:56 AM - Re: AFS AOA flap switch (Alan Mekler)
10. 10:22 AM - Re: AFS AOA flap switch (John Gonzalez)
11. 10:25 AM - Re: Re: wire size from 60 amp alternator (John Gonzalez)
12. 11:24 AM - Re: Re: wire size from 60 amp alternator (Tim Olson)
13. 11:26 AM - Re: Re: wire size from 60 amp alternator (John Gonzalez)
14. 11:36 AM - Re: AFS AOA flap switch (Michael Kraus)
15. 11:43 AM - Re: AFS AOA flap switch (Michael Kraus)
16. 12:40 PM - Re: Re: wire size from 60 amp alternator (Kelly McMullen)
17. 02:53 PM - AOA switch and Alternator questions (John Gonzalez)
18. 04:26 PM - Re: AFS AOA flap switch (Dave Saylor)
19. 04:55 PM - Speaking of Ray Allen Servos (Les Kearney)
20. 05:15 PM - Re: AOA switch and Alternator questions (Alan Mekler)
21. 05:36 PM - Re: Speaking of Ray Allen Servos (Linn Walters)
22. 07:12 PM - Re: AOA switch and Alternator questions (John Gonzalez)
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| Subject: | AFS AOA flap switch |
John,
I have the Ray Allen POS12 flap sensor. It displays the flap position on the
AFS EFIS as well as gives the info to the AOA, It has nothing to do with the
flap switch which does not connect into the AFS EFIS.
Alan
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 12:47 AM
Subject: RV10-List: AFS AOA flap switch
I don't understand why I have a Ray Allen flap position sensor which doesn't
replace the flap switch for the AOA. Seems like a software issue which could
supercede the hardware issue.
Anyone have pictures of the AOA flap switch installed.
I have the Ray Allen flap sensor already completed.
Thanks
John
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| Subject: | AFS AOA flap switch |
Alan,
I've not seen anyone mount the POS12 like you did. I like it!
bob
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Mekler
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 6:36 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: AFS AOA flap switch
John,
I have the Ray Allen POS12 flap sensor. It displays the flap position on the
AFS EFIS as well as gives the info to the AOA, It has nothing to do with the
flap switch which does not connect into the AFS EFIS.
Alan
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 12:47 AM
Subject: RV10-List: AFS AOA flap switch
I don't understand why I have a Ray Allen flap position sensor which doesn't
replace the flap switch for the AOA. Seems like a software issue which could
supercede the hardware issue.
Anyone have pictures of the AOA flap switch installed.
I have the Ray Allen flap sensor already completed.
Thanks
John
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| Subject: | Re: wire size from 60 amp alternator |
The manual states somewhere the fuses are there to protect the unit. Not the wires.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 21, 2011, at 23:23, Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
>
> That's different in that it's just the small wire leads that you're
> using to measure the shunt. You don't fuse the fat wire before it
> though....only the little wires.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
> do not archive
>
>
> On 1/21/2011 9:37 PM, Strasnuts wrote:
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Strasnuts"<sean@braunandco.com>
>>
>> I know the Garmin stuff requires a 1 amp fuse on both leads from the shunts.
I had to install four 1 amp fuses for the shunt between the alt and the one
on the battery.
>>
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>> Cust. #40936
>> RV-10 SB Fuselage
>> N801VR reserved
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>> Read this topic online here:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=327852#327852
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| Subject: | Re: wire size from 60 amp alternator |
Protect your EFIS yes(or other variety of ammeter), protect the shunt, no.
On 1/22/2011 5:38 AM, Seano wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Seano<sean@braunandco.com>
>
> The manual states somewhere the fuses are there to protect the unit. Not the
wires.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 21, 2011, at 23:23, Tim Olson<Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson<Tim@myrv10.com>
>>
>> That's different in that it's just the small wire leads that you're
>> using to measure the shunt. You don't fuse the fat wire before it
>> though....only the little wires.
>>
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>> On 1/21/2011 9:37 PM, Strasnuts wrote:
>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Strasnuts"<sean@braunandco.com>
>>>
>>> I know the Garmin stuff requires a 1 amp fuse on both leads from the shunts.
I had to install four 1 amp fuses for the shunt between the alt and the one
on the battery.
>>>
>>> --------
>>> Cust. #40936
>>> RV-10 SB Fuselage
>>> N801VR reserved
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>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
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>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=327852#327852
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| Subject: | AFS AOA flap switch |
Bob,
It wasn't my idea but I don't remember who on the forum came up with it.
Alan
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 7:22 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: AFS AOA flap switch
Alan,
I've not seen anyone mount the POS12 like you did. I like it!
bob
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Mekler
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 6:36 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: AFS AOA flap switch
John,
I have the Ray Allen POS12 flap sensor. It displays the flap position on the
AFS EFIS as well as gives the info to the AOA, It has nothing to do with the
flap switch which does not connect into the AFS EFIS.
Alan
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 12:47 AM
Subject: RV10-List: AFS AOA flap switch
I don't understand why I have a Ray Allen flap position sensor which doesn't
replace the flap switch for the AOA. Seems like a software issue which could
supercede the hardware issue.
Anyone have pictures of the AOA flap switch installed.
I have the Ray Allen flap sensor already completed.
Thanks
John
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| Subject: | Re: AFS AOA flap switch |
Does this look familiar? :-)
On Jan 22, 2011, at 7:45 AM, Alan Mekler wrote:
> Bob,
> It wasn=92t my idea but I don=92t remember who on the forum came up
with it.
> Alan
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler
> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 7:22 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: AFS AOA flap switch
>
> Alan,
>
> I=92ve not seen anyone mount the POS12 like you did. I like it!
>
> bob
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Mekler
> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 6:36 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: AFS AOA flap switch
>
> John,
> I have the Ray Allen POS12 flap sensor. It displays the flap position
on the AFS EFIS as well as gives the info to the AOA, It has nothing to
do with the flap switch which does not connect into the AFS EFIS.
> Alan
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 12:47 AM
> To: RV 10 group
> Subject: RV10-List: AFS AOA flap switch
>
> I don't understand why I have a Ray Allen flap position sensor which
doesn't replace the flap switch for the AOA. Seems like a software issue
which could supercede the hardware issue.
>
> Anyone have pictures of the AOA flap switch installed.
>
> I have the Ray Allen flap sensor already completed.
>
> Thanks
>
> John
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
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| Subject: | Re: AFS AOA flap switch |
John, I don't have a photo handy but the AOA switch just tells the
EFIS when the flaps are down. Mine triggers when they're about 1/3
down.
Yes, I suppose the software might be able to pick the data off the
position sensor but I don't mind that the AOA has a redundant system
in that respect.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 9:47 PM, John Gonzalez <indigoonlatigo@msn.com> wrote:
> I don't understand why I have a Ray Allen flap position sensor which doesn't
> replace the flap switch for the AOA. Seems like a software issue which could
> supercede the hardware issue.
> Anyone have pictures of the AOA flap switch installed.
> I have the Ray Allen flap sensor already completed.
> Thanks
> John
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: TSO's LED nav lights. |
Here is the regs on nav lights- Courtesy of Whelen.
Pascal
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From: "David Leikam" <daveleikam@wi.rr.com>
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 5:55 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: TSO's LED nav lights.
>
> Thanks Bob,
> I already have them installed as my plane is ready for inspection. The
> issue was brought up that in order to be legal for night VFR and IFR, the
> nav lights must be TSO'd or meet FAA standards. So I guess the better
> question is, do they meet FAA requirements? Looking at the link you sent,
> it seems they do.
> Thanks.
>
> David Leikam
> RV10
> N89DA
>
>
> On Jan 21, 2011, at 7:27 PM, Bob Leffler wrote:
>
>>
>> No, they're not TSO'd. There are several threads on VAF about Bill's
>> customer service. I think most of his headaches started when he
>> couldn't
>> sustain the business full time and had to take another job. This was
>> right
>> after the newer nav lights he was attempting to sell had major RF issues.
>> The older nav lights were Killacycle products,
>> http://www.killacycle.com/Lights.htm . I would deal directly with the
>> Killacycle folks if you want to build the kit version.
>>
>> bob
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Leikam
>> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 7:21 PM
>> To: RV-10 matronics
>> Subject: RV10-List: TSO's LED nav lights.
>>
>>
>> Does anyone know if the old Creative Air LED nav lights are TSO'd? Or
>> how
>> to get in touch with Whiskey Victor company guy?
>>
>> David Leikam
>> RV10
>> N89DA
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| Subject: | AFS AOA flap switch |
Mike,
Thanks. It works great!
Alan
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Kraus
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 8:29 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: AFS AOA flap switch
Does this look familiar? :-)
On Jan 22, 2011, at 7:45 AM, Alan Mekler wrote:
Bob,
It wasn't my idea but I don't remember who on the forum came up with it.
Alan
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 7:22 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: AFS AOA flap switch
Alan,
I've not seen anyone mount the POS12 like you did. I like it!
bob
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Mekler
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 6:36 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: AFS AOA flap switch
John,
I have the Ray Allen POS12 flap sensor. It displays the flap position on the
AFS EFIS as well as gives the info to the AOA, It has nothing to do with the
flap switch which does not connect into the AFS EFIS.
Alan
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 12:47 AM
Subject: RV10-List: AFS AOA flap switch
I don't understand why I have a Ray Allen flap position sensor which doesn't
replace the flap switch for the AOA. Seems like a software issue which could
supercede the hardware issue.
Anyone have pictures of the AOA flap switch installed.
I have the Ray Allen flap sensor already completed.
Thanks
John
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| Subject: | AFS AOA flap switch |
Dave=2C I think everyone except you misunderstood what I was trying to say.
My flap position device(ray allen pos 12) is in place. I need a photo whic
h show the the AOA switch. My mind is trying to grasp how to make the which
through when it has less than 1/4" travel when all the other areas on the
flap mechanism travel much greater distances.
I guess I might be able to use it on the inside of the arc on the flap serv
o arm(closer to the rotation point)
JOhn
> From: dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com
> Date: Sat=2C 22 Jan 2011 07:15:50 -0800
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: AFS AOA flap switch
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>
il.com>
>
> John=2C I don't have a photo handy but the AOA switch just tells the
> EFIS when the flaps are down. Mine triggers when they're about 1/3
> down.
>
> Yes=2C I suppose the software might be able to pick the data off the
> position sensor but I don't mind that the AOA has a redundant system
> in that respect.
>
> Dave Saylor
> AirCrafters
> 140 Aviation Way
> Watsonville=2C CA 95076
> 831-722-9141 Shop
> 831-750-0284 Cell
>
>
>
> On Fri=2C Jan 21=2C 2011 at 9:47 PM=2C John Gonzalez <indigoonlatigo@msn.
com> wrote:
> > I don't understand why I have a Ray Allen flap position sensor which do
esn't
> > replace the flap switch for the AOA. Seems like a software issue which
could
> > supercede the hardware issue.
> > Anyone have pictures of the AOA flap switch installed.
> > I have the Ray Allen flap sensor already completed.
> > Thanks
> > John
> >
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: wire size from 60 amp alternator |
Tim=2C this drawing shows that I need to fuse the main wire:
http://www.plane-power.com/images/AL12_EI60%20Installation.pdf
The wires which come off the alternator plug are fused=2C but the #8 or #6
wire needs the 60 breaker=2C question is before or after the shunt?
> Date: Sat=2C 22 Jan 2011 00:23:00 -0600
> From: Tim@MyRV10.com
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: wire size from 60 amp alternator
>
>
> That's different in that it's just the small wire leads that you're
> using to measure the shunt. You don't fuse the fat wire before it
> though....only the little wires.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
> do not archive
>
>
> On 1/21/2011 9:37 PM=2C Strasnuts wrote:
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Strasnuts"<sean@braunandco.com>
> >
> > I know the Garmin stuff requires a 1 amp fuse on both leads from the sh
unts. I had to install four 1 amp fuses for the shunt between the alt and
the one on the battery.
> >
> > --------
> > Cust. #40936
> > RV-10 SB Fuselage
> > N801VR reserved
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=327852#327852
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| Subject: | Re: wire size from 60 amp alternator |
That's can be either before or after the shunt, but
in most cases I think the shunt will be firewall forward,
and the fuse/breaker can be either.
This is the alternator B lead that you're talking about...the
main power out lead. You can use a breaker or a fuse,
or whatever you wish. If you size it right, you'll size
that fuse for a load that you never expect to see. Like
if you have a 60A alternator, go a little larger. I
think mine is an 80A ANL fuse. It really doesn't need to
be a resettable device like a breaker. If that sucker
blows, you don't want to be screwing with it in flight.
There are many things you can use. I'm sure there are
better ways to go than what I have, but this works fine
for me.
Here's a picture of the ANL fuse.
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/panel/20060115/RV200601010021.jpg
Here's a picture of the fuse holder on the firewall.
I think I could have done a better job with wire routing.
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/panel/20060115/RV200601010023.jpg
On my plane, there is no "shunt", but I have a hall effect
sensor. So I have a coil of wire as part of the hall effect
sensor that wraps around a loop in the B-Lead. It's inside
my cabin.
The thing is, all the Shunt is doing is dropping a tiny
bit of voltage so that current can be measured. You can
measure current anywhere you want to along that wire.
There is no reason I should have had to have my ANL fuse
inside the cabin. Outside would be better, but at the
time I was trying to protect it from the elements.
You're just trying to protect from a big surge in power
draw, and that can come from either side of the fuse...you
could potentially short it at any point.
So just locate things as necessary. And as Kelly said,
fuse the small wires, because that's there to protect
your EFIS or engine monitor.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 1/22/2011 12:21 PM, John Gonzalez wrote:
> Tim, this drawing shows that I need to fuse the main wire:
>
> http://www.plane-power.com/images/AL12_EI60%20Installation.pdf
>
> The wires which come off the alternator plug are fused, but the #8 or #6
> wire needs the 60 breaker, question is before or after the shunt?
>
>
> > Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 00:23:00 -0600
> > From: Tim@MyRV10.com
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: wire size from 60 amp alternator
> >
> >
> > That's different in that it's just the small wire leads that you're
> > using to measure the shunt. You don't fuse the fat wire before it
> > though....only the little wires.
> >
> > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
> > do not archive
> >
> >
> > On 1/21/2011 9:37 PM, Strasnuts wrote:
> > >
> > > I know the Garmin stuff requires a 1 amp fuse on both leads from
> the shunts. I had to install four 1 amp fuses for the shunt between the
> alt and the one on the battery.
> > >
> > > --------
> > > Cust. #40936
> > > RV-10 SB Fuselage
> > > N801VR reserved
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Read this topic online here:
> > >
> > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=327852#327852
> > >
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| Subject: | Re: wire size from 60 amp alternator |
To finish a thought=2C I think the shunt needs to go between the circuit br
eaker and the main buse. By placing the breaker in that location is protect
s the small wires which go to the EFIS measuring the amps.
If I place the breaker on the firewall I wouldn't need to double back to th
e shunt=2C but then I wouldn't be able to reset=2C but if it trips=2C I pro
bably shouldn't reset it anyway??????
Thoughts?
From: indigoonlatigo@msn.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: wire size from 60 amp alternator
Tim=2C this drawing shows that I need to fuse the main wire:
http://www.plane-power.com/images/AL12_EI60%20Installation.pdf
The wires which come off the alternator plug are fused=2C but the #8 or #6
wire needs the 60 breaker=2C question is before or after the shunt?
> Date: Sat=2C 22 Jan 2011 00:23:00 -0600
> From: Tim@MyRV10.com
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: wire size from 60 amp alternator
>
>
> That's different in that it's just the small wire leads that you're
> using to measure the shunt. You don't fuse the fat wire before it
> though....only the little wires.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
> do not archive
>
>
> On 1/21/2011 9:37 PM=2C Strasnuts wrote:
> >
> > I know the Garmin stuff requires a 1 amp fuse on both leads from the sh
unts. I had to install four 1 amp fuses for the shunt between the alt and t
he one on the battery.
> >
> > --------
> > Cust. #40936
> > RV-10 SB Fuselage
> > N801VR reserved
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=327852#327852
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: AFS AOA flap switch |
This is what I did. I riveted a tab on the flap mechanism and mounted
the switch on the bulkhead behind the flap weldments (see photos).
On Jan 22, 2011, at 1:16 PM, John Gonzalez wrote:
> Dave, I think everyone except you misunderstood what I was trying to
say. My flap position device(ray allen pos 12) is in place. I need a
photo which show the the AOA switch. My mind is trying to grasp how to
make the which through when it has less than 1/4" travel when all the
other areas on the flap mechanism travel much greater distances.
>
> I guess I might be able to use it on the inside of the arc on the flap
servo arm(closer to the rotation point)
>
> JOhn
>
> > From: dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com
> > Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 07:15:50 -0800
> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: AFS AOA flap switch
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> >
<dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com>
> >
> > John, I don't have a photo handy but the AOA switch just tells the
> > EFIS when the flaps are down. Mine triggers when they're about 1/3
> > down.
> >
> > Yes, I suppose the software might be able to pick the data off the
> > position sensor but I don't mind that the AOA has a redundant system
> > in that respect.
> >
> > Dave Saylor
> > AirCrafters
> > 140 Aviation Way
> > Watsonville, CA 95076
> > 831-722-9141 Shop
> > 831-750-0284 Cell
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 9:47 PM, John Gonzalez
<indigoonlatigo@msn.com> wrote:
> > > I don't understand why I have a Ray Allen flap position sensor
which doesn't
> > > replace the flap switch for the AOA. Seems like a software issue
which could
> > > supercede the hardware issue.
> > > Anyone have pictures of the AOA flap switch installed.
> > > I have the Ray Allen flap sensor already completed.
> > > Thanks
> > > John
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
Michael Kraus
n223rv@wolflakeairport.net
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| Subject: | Re: AFS AOA flap switch |
This might be a better picture.
On Jan 22, 2011, at 1:16 PM, John Gonzalez wrote:
> Dave, I think everyone except you misunderstood what I was trying to
say. My flap position device(ray allen pos 12) is in place. I need a
photo which show the the AOA switch. My mind is trying to grasp how to
make the which through when it has less than 1/4" travel when all the
other areas on the flap mechanism travel much greater distances.
>
> I guess I might be able to use it on the inside of the arc on the flap
servo arm(closer to the rotation point)
>
> JOhn
>
> > From: dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com
> > Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 07:15:50 -0800
> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: AFS AOA flap switch
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> >
<dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com>
> >
> > John, I don't have a photo handy but the AOA switch just tells the
> > EFIS when the flaps are down. Mine triggers when they're about 1/3
> > down.
> >
> > Yes, I suppose the software might be able to pick the data off the
> > position sensor but I don't mind that the AOA has a redundant system
> > in that respect.
> >
> > Dave Saylor
> > AirCrafters
> > 140 Aviation Way
> > Watsonville, CA 95076
> > 831-722-9141 Shop
> > 831-750-0284 Cell
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 9:47 PM, John Gonzalez
<indigoonlatigo@msn.com> wrote:
> > > I don't understand why I have a Ray Allen flap position sensor
which doesn't
> > > replace the flap switch for the AOA. Seems like a software issue
which could
> > > supercede the hardware issue.
> > > Anyone have pictures of the AOA flap switch installed.
> > > I have the Ray Allen flap sensor already completed.
> > > Thanks
> > > John
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
Michael Kraus
n223rv@wolflakeairport.net
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| Subject: | Re: wire size from 60 amp alternator |
NO. Your shunt can go anywhere in the main line from alternator to the
bus. Most certified aircraft put the shunt immediately after the B
lead comes through the firewall, then connect to the fuse/circuit
breaker.
The breaker does not provide any protection to the small wires going
to the EFIS. It only turns off the main flow to the bus.
You need 1 amp fuses on the small wires. Probably could use even 1/2
amp fuses, since there normally is only 50 mv and minute amperage on
those lines. Just protection against a short.
On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 12:24 PM, John Gonzalez <indigoonlatigo@msn.com> wrote:
> To finish a thought, I think the shunt needs to go between the circuit
> breaker and the main buse. By placing the breaker in that location is
> protects the small wires which go to the EFIS measuring the amps.
>
> If I place the breaker on the firewall I wouldn't need to double back to the
> shunt, but then I wouldn't be able to reset, but if it trips, I probably
> shouldn't reset it anyway??????
>
>
> Thoughts?
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: indigoonlatigo@msn.com
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: wire size from 60 amp alternator
> Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 10:21:15 -0800
>
> Tim, this drawing shows that I need to fuse the main wire:
> http://www.plane-power.com/images/AL12_EI60%20Installation.pdf
> The wires which come off the alternator plug are fused, but the #8 or #6
> wire needs the 60 breaker, question is before or after the shunt?
>
>
>> Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 00:23:00 -0600
>> From: Tim@MyRV10.com
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: wire size from 60 amp alternator
>>
>>
>> That's different in that it's just the small wire leads that you're
>> using to measure the shunt. You don't fuse the fat wire before it
>> though....only the little wires.
>>
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>> On 1/21/2011 9:37 PM, Strasnuts wrote:
>> >
>> > I know the Garmin stuff requires a 1 amp fuse on both leads from the
>> > shunts. I had to install four 1 amp fuses for the shunt between the alt and
>> > the one on the battery.
>> >
>> > --------
>> > Cust. #40936
>> > RV-10 SB Fuselage
>> > N801VR reserved
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Read this topic online here:
>> >
>> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=327852#327852
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>>===============
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | AOA switch and Alternator questions |
Thank you all for your most excellent input and fast responses.
JOhn
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| Subject: | Re: AFS AOA flap switch |
IIRC, mine uses a cam attached to the torque tube. The OD of the cam
lobe doesn't go all the way around the travel.
I'll have the whole thing apart for the annual next month. Let me
know if that's not too late for a photo.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 10:16 AM, John Gonzalez <indigoonlatigo@msn.com> wrote:
> Dave, I think everyone except you misunderstood what I was trying to say. My
> flap position device(ray allen pos 12) is in place. I need a photo which
> show the the AOA switch. My mind is trying to grasp how to make the which
> through when it has less than 1/4" travel when all the other areas on the
> flap mechanism travel much greater distances.
> I guess I might be able to use it on the inside of the arc on the flap servo
> arm(closer to the rotation point)
> JOhn
>
>> From: dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com
>> Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 07:15:50 -0800
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: AFS AOA flap switch
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>
>> <dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com>
>>
>> John, I don't have a photo handy but the AOA switch just tells the
>> EFIS when the flaps are down. Mine triggers when they're about 1/3
>> down.
>>
>> Yes, I suppose the software might be able to pick the data off the
>> position sensor but I don't mind that the AOA has a redundant system
>> in that respect.
>>
>> Dave Saylor
>> AirCrafters
>> 140 Aviation Way
>> Watsonville, CA 95076
>> 831-722-9141 Shop
>> 831-750-0284 Cell
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 9:47 PM, John Gonzalez <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>> wrote:
>> > I don't understand why I have a Ray Allen flap position sensor which
>> > doesn't
>> > replace the flap switch for the AOA. Seems like a software issue which
>> > could
>> > supercede the hardware issue.
>> > Anyone have pictures of the AOA flap switch installed.
>> > I have the Ray Allen flap sensor already completed.
>> > Thanks
>> > John
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Speaking of Ray Allen Servos |
Hi
The pix of the alternative way to mount the POS 12 are great! I am mounting
mine Monday so it was very timely indeed.
Which brings me to another question. I have some shielded 3 and 2 connector
wire to attach my trim servos. Do I ground the shield by soldering a wire to
it and then attaching it to a ground block? If not, what how do I handle the
shield.
Next question - I plan to run my tail strobe wires along with the trim servo
wires. Will this be a problem or will the shielded trim servo wire handle
things adequately or is it even a concern?
Inquiring minds need to know
Les
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| Subject: | AOA switch and Alternator questions |
John,
I was told if you use the Ray Allen POS12 then you don't need the flap
switch that came with the AOA.
Alan
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 5:51 PM
Subject: RV10-List: AOA switch and Alternator questions
Thank you all for your most excellent input and fast responses.
JOhn
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| Subject: | Re: Speaking of Ray Allen Servos |
On 1/22/2011 7:52 PM, Les Kearney wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> The pix of the alternative way to mount the POS 12 are great! I am
> mounting mine Monday so it was very timely indeed.
>
> Which brings me to another question. I have some shielded 3 and 2
> connector wire to attach my trim servos. Do I ground the shield by
> soldering a wire to it and then attaching it to a ground block?
>
Well, that's one way. Put a piece of heat shrink over it.
>
> If not, what how do I handle the shield.
>
The 'professional' way would be to push the braid back the length you
need to put a lug on the end and attach to ground screw. Use an ice
pick or similer to open a hole in the braid and fish the wires through
the hole. Try not to break any of the braid wires. It's easier if you
fold the wire back on itself and then fish the wire through. Gets
easier with practice. Use a piece of heat shrink to cover where the
wires exit the shield. I think there's an EAA video on this method.
>
> Next question - I plan to run my tail strobe wires along with the trim
> servo wires. Will this be a problem or will the shielded trim servo
> wire handle things adequately or is it even a concern?
>
As with most things .... depends. Shouldn't be a problem. The
equipment manufacturer(s) should recommend whether to ground the
shield(s) at one or both ends.
Linn
> Inquiring minds need to know
>
> Les
>
>
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | AOA switch and Alternator questions |
Page 14 of AFS manual:
Flap Sensor
The AOA can use either the flap position sensor for the screen or the suppl
ied switch connected to Input #3 on the main EFIS harness. The AOA Use Flap
Sensor sould be set to YES if you have installed the Linear Flap Position
Sensor for the screen in instrument Calibration.
Is this what you are refering to?
This is what I was asking when I made the comment about software vs. hardwa
re. I just didn't understand the words=2C "Flap Position Sensor for the Scr
een" I thought the system pretty lame if I couldn't use the Pos 12 instrume
nt.
Now that I sent a few hours and am ready to install the switch=2C haven't d
rilled holes yet???????????????????????????????????????
John
From: amekler@metrocast.net
Subject: RE: RV10-List: AOA switch and Alternator questions
John=2C
I was told if you use the Ray Allen POS12 then you don=92t need the flap sw
itch that came with the AOA.
Alan
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
Sent: Saturday=2C January 22=2C 2011 5:51 PM
Subject: RV10-List: AOA switch and Alternator questions
Thank you all for your most excellent input and fast responses.
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