---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 01/22/11: 22 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:42 AM - Re: AFS AOA flap switch (Alan Mekler) 2. 04:35 AM - Re: AFS AOA flap switch (Bob Leffler) 3. 04:40 AM - Re: Re: wire size from 60 amp alternator (Seano) 4. 04:46 AM - Re: Re: wire size from 60 amp alternator (Kelly McMullen) 5. 04:48 AM - Re: AFS AOA flap switch (Alan Mekler) 6. 05:41 AM - Re: AFS AOA flap switch (Michael Kraus) 7. 07:27 AM - Re: AFS AOA flap switch (Dave Saylor) 8. 07:55 AM - Re: TSO's LED nav lights. (Pascal) 9. 07:56 AM - Re: AFS AOA flap switch (Alan Mekler) 10. 10:22 AM - Re: AFS AOA flap switch (John Gonzalez) 11. 10:25 AM - Re: Re: wire size from 60 amp alternator (John Gonzalez) 12. 11:24 AM - Re: Re: wire size from 60 amp alternator (Tim Olson) 13. 11:26 AM - Re: Re: wire size from 60 amp alternator (John Gonzalez) 14. 11:36 AM - Re: AFS AOA flap switch (Michael Kraus) 15. 11:43 AM - Re: AFS AOA flap switch (Michael Kraus) 16. 12:40 PM - Re: Re: wire size from 60 amp alternator (Kelly McMullen) 17. 02:53 PM - AOA switch and Alternator questions (John Gonzalez) 18. 04:26 PM - Re: AFS AOA flap switch (Dave Saylor) 19. 04:55 PM - Speaking of Ray Allen Servos (Les Kearney) 20. 05:15 PM - Re: AOA switch and Alternator questions (Alan Mekler) 21. 05:36 PM - Re: Speaking of Ray Allen Servos (Linn Walters) 22. 07:12 PM - Re: AOA switch and Alternator questions (John Gonzalez) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:42:40 AM PST US From: "Alan Mekler" Subject: RE: RV10-List: AFS AOA flap switch John, I have the Ray Allen POS12 flap sensor. It displays the flap position on the AFS EFIS as well as gives the info to the AOA, It has nothing to do with the flap switch which does not connect into the AFS EFIS. Alan _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 12:47 AM Subject: RV10-List: AFS AOA flap switch I don't understand why I have a Ray Allen flap position sensor which doesn't replace the flap switch for the AOA. Seems like a software issue which could supercede the hardware issue. Anyone have pictures of the AOA flap switch installed. I have the Ray Allen flap sensor already completed. Thanks John ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:35:44 AM PST US From: "Bob Leffler" Subject: RE: RV10-List: AFS AOA flap switch Alan, I've not seen anyone mount the POS12 like you did. I like it! bob From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Mekler Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 6:36 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: AFS AOA flap switch John, I have the Ray Allen POS12 flap sensor. It displays the flap position on the AFS EFIS as well as gives the info to the AOA, It has nothing to do with the flap switch which does not connect into the AFS EFIS. Alan _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 12:47 AM Subject: RV10-List: AFS AOA flap switch I don't understand why I have a Ray Allen flap position sensor which doesn't replace the flap switch for the AOA. Seems like a software issue which could supercede the hardware issue. Anyone have pictures of the AOA flap switch installed. I have the Ray Allen flap sensor already completed. Thanks John http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:40:46 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: wire size from 60 amp alternator From: Seano The manual states somewhere the fuses are there to protect the unit. Not the wires. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 21, 2011, at 23:23, Tim Olson wrote: > > That's different in that it's just the small wire leads that you're > using to measure the shunt. You don't fuse the fat wire before it > though....only the little wires. > > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD > do not archive > > > On 1/21/2011 9:37 PM, Strasnuts wrote: >> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Strasnuts" >> >> I know the Garmin stuff requires a 1 amp fuse on both leads from the shunts. I had to install four 1 amp fuses for the shunt between the alt and the one on the battery. >> >> -------- >> Cust. #40936 >> RV-10 SB Fuselage >> N801VR reserved >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=327852#327852 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:46:11 AM PST US From: Kelly McMullen Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: wire size from 60 amp alternator Protect your EFIS yes(or other variety of ammeter), protect the shunt, no. On 1/22/2011 5:38 AM, Seano wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: Seano > > The manual states somewhere the fuses are there to protect the unit. Not the wires. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 21, 2011, at 23:23, Tim Olson wrote: > >> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson >> >> That's different in that it's just the small wire leads that you're >> using to measure the shunt. You don't fuse the fat wire before it >> though....only the little wires. >> >> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD >> do not archive >> >> >> On 1/21/2011 9:37 PM, Strasnuts wrote: >>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Strasnuts" >>> >>> I know the Garmin stuff requires a 1 amp fuse on both leads from the shunts. I had to install four 1 amp fuses for the shunt between the alt and the one on the battery. >>> >>> -------- >>> Cust. #40936 >>> RV-10 SB Fuselage >>> N801VR reserved >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=327852#327852 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:48:24 AM PST US From: "Alan Mekler" Subject: RE: RV10-List: AFS AOA flap switch Bob, It wasn't my idea but I don't remember who on the forum came up with it. Alan _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 7:22 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: AFS AOA flap switch Alan, I've not seen anyone mount the POS12 like you did. I like it! bob From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Mekler Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 6:36 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: AFS AOA flap switch John, I have the Ray Allen POS12 flap sensor. It displays the flap position on the AFS EFIS as well as gives the info to the AOA, It has nothing to do with the flap switch which does not connect into the AFS EFIS. Alan _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 12:47 AM Subject: RV10-List: AFS AOA flap switch I don't understand why I have a Ray Allen flap position sensor which doesn't replace the flap switch for the AOA. Seems like a software issue which could supercede the hardware issue. Anyone have pictures of the AOA flap switch installed. I have the Ray Allen flap sensor already completed. Thanks John http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:41:04 AM PST US From: Michael Kraus Subject: Re: RV10-List: AFS AOA flap switch Does this look familiar? :-) On Jan 22, 2011, at 7:45 AM, Alan Mekler wrote: > Bob, > It wasn=92t my idea but I don=92t remember who on the forum came up with it. > Alan > > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler > Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 7:22 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV10-List: AFS AOA flap switch > > Alan, > > I=92ve not seen anyone mount the POS12 like you did. I like it! > > bob > > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Mekler > Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 6:36 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV10-List: AFS AOA flap switch > > John, > I have the Ray Allen POS12 flap sensor. It displays the flap position on the AFS EFIS as well as gives the info to the AOA, It has nothing to do with the flap switch which does not connect into the AFS EFIS. > Alan > > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez > Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 12:47 AM > To: RV 10 group > Subject: RV10-List: AFS AOA flap switch > > I don't understand why I have a Ray Allen flap position sensor which doesn't replace the flap switch for the AOA. Seems like a software issue which could supercede the hardware issue. > > Anyone have pictures of the AOA flap switch installed. > > I have the Ray Allen flap sensor already completed. > > Thanks > > John > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > > http://forums.matronics.com > > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics .com/Navigator?RV10-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > > > Michael Kraus n223rv@wolflakeairport.net ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:27:26 AM PST US From: Dave Saylor Subject: Re: RV10-List: AFS AOA flap switch John, I don't have a photo handy but the AOA switch just tells the EFIS when the flaps are down. Mine triggers when they're about 1/3 down. Yes, I suppose the software might be able to pick the data off the position sensor but I don't mind that the AOA has a redundant system in that respect. Dave Saylor AirCrafters 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 95076 831-722-9141 Shop 831-750-0284 Cell On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 9:47 PM, John Gonzalez wrote: > I don't understand why I have a Ray Allen flap position sensor which doesn't > replace the flap switch for the AOA. Seems like a software issue which could > supercede the hardware issue. > Anyone have pictures of the AOA flap switch installed. > I have the Ray Allen flap sensor already completed. > Thanks > John > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:55:51 AM PST US From: "Pascal" Subject: Re: RV10-List: TSO's LED nav lights. Here is the regs on nav lights- Courtesy of Whelen. Pascal -------------------------------------------------- From: "David Leikam" Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 5:55 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: TSO's LED nav lights. > > Thanks Bob, > I already have them installed as my plane is ready for inspection. The > issue was brought up that in order to be legal for night VFR and IFR, the > nav lights must be TSO'd or meet FAA standards. So I guess the better > question is, do they meet FAA requirements? Looking at the link you sent, > it seems they do. > Thanks. > > David Leikam > RV10 > N89DA > > > On Jan 21, 2011, at 7:27 PM, Bob Leffler wrote: > >> >> No, they're not TSO'd. There are several threads on VAF about Bill's >> customer service. I think most of his headaches started when he >> couldn't >> sustain the business full time and had to take another job. This was >> right >> after the newer nav lights he was attempting to sell had major RF issues. >> The older nav lights were Killacycle products, >> http://www.killacycle.com/Lights.htm . I would deal directly with the >> Killacycle folks if you want to build the kit version. >> >> bob >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Leikam >> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 7:21 PM >> To: RV-10 matronics >> Subject: RV10-List: TSO's LED nav lights. >> >> >> Does anyone know if the old Creative Air LED nav lights are TSO'd? Or >> how >> to get in touch with Whiskey Victor company guy? >> >> David Leikam >> RV10 >> N89DA >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:56:24 AM PST US From: "Alan Mekler" Subject: RE: RV10-List: AFS AOA flap switch Mike, Thanks. It works great! Alan _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Kraus Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 8:29 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: AFS AOA flap switch Does this look familiar? :-) On Jan 22, 2011, at 7:45 AM, Alan Mekler wrote: Bob, It wasn't my idea but I don't remember who on the forum came up with it. Alan _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 7:22 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: AFS AOA flap switch Alan, I've not seen anyone mount the POS12 like you did. I like it! bob From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Mekler Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 6:36 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: AFS AOA flap switch John, I have the Ray Allen POS12 flap sensor. It displays the flap position on the AFS EFIS as well as gives the info to the AOA, It has nothing to do with the flap switch which does not connect into the AFS EFIS. Alan _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 12:47 AM Subject: RV10-List: AFS AOA flap switch I don't understand why I have a Ray Allen flap position sensor which doesn't replace the flap switch for the AOA. Seems like a software issue which could supercede the hardware issue. Anyone have pictures of the AOA flap switch installed. I have the Ray Allen flap sensor already completed. Thanks John http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?RV10-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?RV10-List href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contri bution Michael Kraus n223rv@wolflakeairport.net ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:22:27 AM PST US From: John Gonzalez Subject: RE: RV10-List: AFS AOA flap switch Dave=2C I think everyone except you misunderstood what I was trying to say. My flap position device(ray allen pos 12) is in place. I need a photo whic h show the the AOA switch. My mind is trying to grasp how to make the which through when it has less than 1/4" travel when all the other areas on the flap mechanism travel much greater distances. I guess I might be able to use it on the inside of the arc on the flap serv o arm(closer to the rotation point) JOhn > From: dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com > Date: Sat=2C 22 Jan 2011 07:15:50 -0800 > Subject: Re: RV10-List: AFS AOA flap switch > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > il.com> > > John=2C I don't have a photo handy but the AOA switch just tells the > EFIS when the flaps are down. Mine triggers when they're about 1/3 > down. > > Yes=2C I suppose the software might be able to pick the data off the > position sensor but I don't mind that the AOA has a redundant system > in that respect. > > Dave Saylor > AirCrafters > 140 Aviation Way > Watsonville=2C CA 95076 > 831-722-9141 Shop > 831-750-0284 Cell > > > > On Fri=2C Jan 21=2C 2011 at 9:47 PM=2C John Gonzalez wrote: > > I don't understand why I have a Ray Allen flap position sensor which do esn't > > replace the flap switch for the AOA. Seems like a software issue which could > > supercede the hardware issue. > > Anyone have pictures of the AOA flap switch installed. > > I have the Ray Allen flap sensor already completed. > > Thanks > > John > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:25:22 AM PST US From: John Gonzalez Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: wire size from 60 amp alternator Tim=2C this drawing shows that I need to fuse the main wire: http://www.plane-power.com/images/AL12_EI60%20Installation.pdf The wires which come off the alternator plug are fused=2C but the #8 or #6 wire needs the 60 breaker=2C question is before or after the shunt? > Date: Sat=2C 22 Jan 2011 00:23:00 -0600 > From: Tim@MyRV10.com > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: wire size from 60 amp alternator > > > That's different in that it's just the small wire leads that you're > using to measure the shunt. You don't fuse the fat wire before it > though....only the little wires. > > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD > do not archive > > > On 1/21/2011 9:37 PM=2C Strasnuts wrote: > > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Strasnuts" > > > > I know the Garmin stuff requires a 1 amp fuse on both leads from the sh unts. I had to install four 1 amp fuses for the shunt between the alt and the one on the battery. > > > > -------- > > Cust. #40936 > > RV-10 SB Fuselage > > N801VR reserved > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=327852#327852 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:24:29 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: wire size from 60 amp alternator That's can be either before or after the shunt, but in most cases I think the shunt will be firewall forward, and the fuse/breaker can be either. This is the alternator B lead that you're talking about...the main power out lead. You can use a breaker or a fuse, or whatever you wish. If you size it right, you'll size that fuse for a load that you never expect to see. Like if you have a 60A alternator, go a little larger. I think mine is an 80A ANL fuse. It really doesn't need to be a resettable device like a breaker. If that sucker blows, you don't want to be screwing with it in flight. There are many things you can use. I'm sure there are better ways to go than what I have, but this works fine for me. Here's a picture of the ANL fuse. http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/panel/20060115/RV200601010021.jpg Here's a picture of the fuse holder on the firewall. I think I could have done a better job with wire routing. http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/panel/20060115/RV200601010023.jpg On my plane, there is no "shunt", but I have a hall effect sensor. So I have a coil of wire as part of the hall effect sensor that wraps around a loop in the B-Lead. It's inside my cabin. The thing is, all the Shunt is doing is dropping a tiny bit of voltage so that current can be measured. You can measure current anywhere you want to along that wire. There is no reason I should have had to have my ANL fuse inside the cabin. Outside would be better, but at the time I was trying to protect it from the elements. You're just trying to protect from a big surge in power draw, and that can come from either side of the fuse...you could potentially short it at any point. So just locate things as necessary. And as Kelly said, fuse the small wires, because that's there to protect your EFIS or engine monitor. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD do not archive On 1/22/2011 12:21 PM, John Gonzalez wrote: > Tim, this drawing shows that I need to fuse the main wire: > > http://www.plane-power.com/images/AL12_EI60%20Installation.pdf > > The wires which come off the alternator plug are fused, but the #8 or #6 > wire needs the 60 breaker, question is before or after the shunt? > > > > Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 00:23:00 -0600 > > From: Tim@MyRV10.com > > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: wire size from 60 amp alternator > > > > > > That's different in that it's just the small wire leads that you're > > using to measure the shunt. You don't fuse the fat wire before it > > though....only the little wires. > > > > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD > > do not archive > > > > > > On 1/21/2011 9:37 PM, Strasnuts wrote: > > > > > > I know the Garmin stuff requires a 1 amp fuse on both leads from > the shunts. I had to install four 1 amp fuses for the shunt between the > alt and the one on the battery. > > > > > > -------- > > > Cust. #40936 > > > RV-10 SB Fuselage > > > N801VR reserved > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=327852#327852 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >===================== > >=============== > > > > > > > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:26:54 AM PST US From: John Gonzalez Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: wire size from 60 amp alternator To finish a thought=2C I think the shunt needs to go between the circuit br eaker and the main buse. By placing the breaker in that location is protect s the small wires which go to the EFIS measuring the amps. If I place the breaker on the firewall I wouldn't need to double back to th e shunt=2C but then I wouldn't be able to reset=2C but if it trips=2C I pro bably shouldn't reset it anyway?????? Thoughts? From: indigoonlatigo@msn.com Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: wire size from 60 amp alternator Tim=2C this drawing shows that I need to fuse the main wire: http://www.plane-power.com/images/AL12_EI60%20Installation.pdf The wires which come off the alternator plug are fused=2C but the #8 or #6 wire needs the 60 breaker=2C question is before or after the shunt? > Date: Sat=2C 22 Jan 2011 00:23:00 -0600 > From: Tim@MyRV10.com > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: wire size from 60 amp alternator > > > That's different in that it's just the small wire leads that you're > using to measure the shunt. You don't fuse the fat wire before it > though....only the little wires. > > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD > do not archive > > > On 1/21/2011 9:37 PM=2C Strasnuts wrote: > > > > I know the Garmin stuff requires a 1 amp fuse on both leads from the sh unts. I had to install four 1 amp fuses for the shunt between the alt and t he one on the battery. > > > > -------- > > Cust. #40936 > > RV-10 SB Fuselage > > N801VR reserved > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=327852#327852 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >===================== >=============== > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:36:47 AM PST US From: Michael Kraus Subject: Re: RV10-List: AFS AOA flap switch This is what I did. I riveted a tab on the flap mechanism and mounted the switch on the bulkhead behind the flap weldments (see photos). On Jan 22, 2011, at 1:16 PM, John Gonzalez wrote: > Dave, I think everyone except you misunderstood what I was trying to say. My flap position device(ray allen pos 12) is in place. I need a photo which show the the AOA switch. My mind is trying to grasp how to make the which through when it has less than 1/4" travel when all the other areas on the flap mechanism travel much greater distances. > > I guess I might be able to use it on the inside of the arc on the flap servo arm(closer to the rotation point) > > JOhn > > > From: dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com > > Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 07:15:50 -0800 > > Subject: Re: RV10-List: AFS AOA flap switch > > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > > > > > > John, I don't have a photo handy but the AOA switch just tells the > > EFIS when the flaps are down. Mine triggers when they're about 1/3 > > down. > > > > Yes, I suppose the software might be able to pick the data off the > > position sensor but I don't mind that the AOA has a redundant system > > in that respect. > > > > Dave Saylor > > AirCrafters > > 140 Aviation Way > > Watsonville, CA 95076 > > 831-722-9141 Shop > > 831-750-0284 Cell > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 9:47 PM, John Gonzalez wrote: > > > I don't understand why I have a Ray Allen flap position sensor which doesn't > > > replace the flap switch for the AOA. Seems like a software issue which could > > > supercede the hardware issue. > > > Anyone have pictures of the AOA flap switch installed. > > > I have the Ray Allen flap sensor already completed. > > > Thanks > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael Kraus n223rv@wolflakeairport.net ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:43:06 AM PST US From: Michael Kraus Subject: Re: RV10-List: AFS AOA flap switch This might be a better picture. On Jan 22, 2011, at 1:16 PM, John Gonzalez wrote: > Dave, I think everyone except you misunderstood what I was trying to say. My flap position device(ray allen pos 12) is in place. I need a photo which show the the AOA switch. My mind is trying to grasp how to make the which through when it has less than 1/4" travel when all the other areas on the flap mechanism travel much greater distances. > > I guess I might be able to use it on the inside of the arc on the flap servo arm(closer to the rotation point) > > JOhn > > > From: dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com > > Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 07:15:50 -0800 > > Subject: Re: RV10-List: AFS AOA flap switch > > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > > > > > > John, I don't have a photo handy but the AOA switch just tells the > > EFIS when the flaps are down. Mine triggers when they're about 1/3 > > down. > > > > Yes, I suppose the software might be able to pick the data off the > > position sensor but I don't mind that the AOA has a redundant system > > in that respect. > > > > Dave Saylor > > AirCrafters > > 140 Aviation Way > > Watsonville, CA 95076 > > 831-722-9141 Shop > > 831-750-0284 Cell > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 9:47 PM, John Gonzalez wrote: > > > I don't understand why I have a Ray Allen flap position sensor which doesn't > > > replace the flap switch for the AOA. Seems like a software issue which could > > > supercede the hardware issue. > > > Anyone have pictures of the AOA flap switch installed. > > > I have the Ray Allen flap sensor already completed. > > > Thanks > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael Kraus n223rv@wolflakeairport.net ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:40:27 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: wire size from 60 amp alternator From: Kelly McMullen NO. Your shunt can go anywhere in the main line from alternator to the bus. Most certified aircraft put the shunt immediately after the B lead comes through the firewall, then connect to the fuse/circuit breaker. The breaker does not provide any protection to the small wires going to the EFIS. It only turns off the main flow to the bus. You need 1 amp fuses on the small wires. Probably could use even 1/2 amp fuses, since there normally is only 50 mv and minute amperage on those lines. Just protection against a short. On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 12:24 PM, John Gonzalez wrote: > To finish a thought, I think the shunt needs to go between the circuit > breaker and the main buse. By placing the breaker in that location is > protects the small wires which go to the EFIS measuring the amps. > > If I place the breaker on the firewall I wouldn't need to double back to the > shunt, but then I wouldn't be able to reset, but if it trips, I probably > shouldn't reset it anyway?????? > > > Thoughts? > > > ________________________________ > From: indigoonlatigo@msn.com > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: wire size from 60 amp alternator > Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 10:21:15 -0800 > > Tim, this drawing shows that I need to fuse the main wire: > http://www.plane-power.com/images/AL12_EI60%20Installation.pdf > The wires which come off the alternator plug are fused, but the #8 or #6 > wire needs the 60 breaker, question is before or after the shunt? > > >> Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 00:23:00 -0600 >> From: Tim@MyRV10.com >> To: rv10-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: wire size from 60 amp alternator >> >> >> That's different in that it's just the small wire leads that you're >> using to measure the shunt. You don't fuse the fat wire before it >> though....only the little wires. >> >> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD >> do not archive >> >> >> On 1/21/2011 9:37 PM, Strasnuts wrote: >> > >> > I know the Garmin stuff requires a 1 amp fuse on both leads from the >> > shunts. I had to install four 1 amp fuses for the shunt between the alt and >> > the one on the battery. >> > >> > -------- >> > Cust. #40936 >> > RV-10 SB Fuselage >> > N801VR reserved >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Read this topic online here: >> > >> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=327852#327852 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>===================== >>=============== >> >> >> > > > arget=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > ttp://forums.matronics.com > =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:53:47 PM PST US From: John Gonzalez Subject: RV10-List: AOA switch and Alternator questions Thank you all for your most excellent input and fast responses. JOhn ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:26:04 PM PST US From: Dave Saylor Subject: Re: RV10-List: AFS AOA flap switch IIRC, mine uses a cam attached to the torque tube. The OD of the cam lobe doesn't go all the way around the travel. I'll have the whole thing apart for the annual next month. Let me know if that's not too late for a photo. Dave Saylor AirCrafters 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 95076 831-722-9141 Shop 831-750-0284 Cell On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 10:16 AM, John Gonzalez wrote: > Dave, I think everyone except you misunderstood what I was trying to say. My > flap position device(ray allen pos 12) is in place. I need a photo which > show the the AOA switch. My mind is trying to grasp how to make the which > through when it has less than 1/4" travel when all the other areas on the > flap mechanism travel much greater distances. > I guess I might be able to use it on the inside of the arc on the flap servo > arm(closer to the rotation point) > JOhn > >> From: dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com >> Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 07:15:50 -0800 >> Subject: Re: RV10-List: AFS AOA flap switch >> To: rv10-list@matronics.com >> >> >> >> John, I don't have a photo handy but the AOA switch just tells the >> EFIS when the flaps are down. Mine triggers when they're about 1/3 >> down. >> >> Yes, I suppose the software might be able to pick the data off the >> position sensor but I don't mind that the AOA has a redundant system >> in that respect. >> >> Dave Saylor >> AirCrafters >> 140 Aviation Way >> Watsonville, CA 95076 >> 831-722-9141 Shop >> 831-750-0284 Cell >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 9:47 PM, John Gonzalez >> wrote: >> > I don't understand why I have a Ray Allen flap position sensor which >> > doesn't >> > replace the flap switch for the AOA. Seems like a software issue which >> > could >> > supercede the hardware issue. >> > Anyone have pictures of the AOA flap switch installed. >> > I have the Ray Allen flap sensor already completed. >> > Thanks >> > John >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 04:55:37 PM PST US From: "Les Kearney" Subject: RV10-List: Speaking of Ray Allen Servos Hi The pix of the alternative way to mount the POS 12 are great! I am mounting mine Monday so it was very timely indeed. Which brings me to another question. I have some shielded 3 and 2 connector wire to attach my trim servos. Do I ground the shield by soldering a wire to it and then attaching it to a ground block? If not, what how do I handle the shield. Next question - I plan to run my tail strobe wires along with the trim servo wires. Will this be a problem or will the shielded trim servo wire handle things adequately or is it even a concern? Inquiring minds need to know Les ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 05:15:56 PM PST US From: "Alan Mekler" Subject: RE: RV10-List: AOA switch and Alternator questions John, I was told if you use the Ray Allen POS12 then you don't need the flap switch that came with the AOA. Alan _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 5:51 PM Subject: RV10-List: AOA switch and Alternator questions Thank you all for your most excellent input and fast responses. JOhn ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 05:36:24 PM PST US From: Linn Walters Subject: Re: RV10-List: Speaking of Ray Allen Servos On 1/22/2011 7:52 PM, Les Kearney wrote: > > Hi > > The pix of the alternative way to mount the POS 12 are great! I am > mounting mine Monday so it was very timely indeed. > > Which brings me to another question. I have some shielded 3 and 2 > connector wire to attach my trim servos. Do I ground the shield by > soldering a wire to it and then attaching it to a ground block? > Well, that's one way. Put a piece of heat shrink over it. > > If not, what how do I handle the shield. > The 'professional' way would be to push the braid back the length you need to put a lug on the end and attach to ground screw. Use an ice pick or similer to open a hole in the braid and fish the wires through the hole. Try not to break any of the braid wires. It's easier if you fold the wire back on itself and then fish the wire through. Gets easier with practice. Use a piece of heat shrink to cover where the wires exit the shield. I think there's an EAA video on this method. > > Next question - I plan to run my tail strobe wires along with the trim > servo wires. Will this be a problem or will the shielded trim servo > wire handle things adequately or is it even a concern? > As with most things .... depends. Shouldn't be a problem. The equipment manufacturer(s) should recommend whether to ground the shield(s) at one or both ends. Linn > Inquiring minds need to know > > Les > > > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:12:15 PM PST US From: John Gonzalez Subject: RE: RV10-List: AOA switch and Alternator questions Page 14 of AFS manual: Flap Sensor The AOA can use either the flap position sensor for the screen or the suppl ied switch connected to Input #3 on the main EFIS harness. The AOA Use Flap Sensor sould be set to YES if you have installed the Linear Flap Position Sensor for the screen in instrument Calibration. Is this what you are refering to? This is what I was asking when I made the comment about software vs. hardwa re. I just didn't understand the words=2C "Flap Position Sensor for the Scr een" I thought the system pretty lame if I couldn't use the Pos 12 instrume nt. Now that I sent a few hours and am ready to install the switch=2C haven't d rilled holes yet??????????????????????????????????????? John From: amekler@metrocast.net Subject: RE: RV10-List: AOA switch and Alternator questions John=2C I was told if you use the Ray Allen POS12 then you don=92t need the flap sw itch that came with the AOA. Alan From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez Sent: Saturday=2C January 22=2C 2011 5:51 PM Subject: RV10-List: AOA switch and Alternator questions Thank you all for your most excellent input and fast responses. 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