---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 01/24/11: 25 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:17 AM - Re: First engine start (Eric_Kallio) 2. 06:23 AM - Re: Re: fuel caps (David Maib) 3. 06:57 AM - Re: Re: fuel caps (David Maib) 4. 07:14 AM - Re: Re: fuel caps (David Maib) 5. 07:35 AM - Re: I shant shunt (Strasnuts) 6. 01:33 PM - Re: Re: First engine start (Rob Kochman) 7. 02:09 PM - Step (Fred Williams, M.D.) 8. 03:43 PM - Re: Step (davidsoutpost@comcast.net) 9. 03:51 PM - Re: Step (Pascal) 10. 04:24 PM - Re: Step (Rob Kochman) 11. 04:34 PM - Re: Step (Kelly McMullen) 12. 04:34 PM - Re: First engine start (Eric_Kallio) 13. 04:51 PM - Re: Step (Tim Olson) 14. 04:51 PM - Re: Re: First engine start (Rob Kochman) 15. 05:17 PM - Re: fuel caps (mvultaggio) 16. 05:19 PM - Finish Kit Inventory (mds4878) 17. 05:25 PM - Re: Step (John Cumins) 18. 05:35 PM - Re: Re: fuel caps (David Maib) 19. 05:43 PM - Re: Step (David Maib) 20. 06:05 PM - Re: Step (Roger Standley) 21. 06:09 PM - Re: Re: fuel caps (Neil & Sarah Colliver) 22. 06:09 PM - Re: Landing gear shake (Roger Standley) 23. 07:39 PM - Re: Finish Kit Inventory (Bob Leffler) 24. 08:37 PM - Re: Speaking of Ray Allen Servos (Ben Westfall) 25. 09:13 PM - Re: Finish Kit Inventory (Pascal) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:17:37 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: First engine start From: "Eric_Kallio" Don't worry Rob. Mine was far from perfect either. Turns out the wiring diagram for my ignition was off and had me put the wrong ignition system to ground. I too have a mag and a Lightspeed, but the wiring diagram didn't have me grounding one out for start. According to the other mechanics on the filed I should run the mag used to start to the ground. going to review my schematics today. Congrats. I wonder who will be the next to get their first flight. Eric Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=328188#328188 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:23:57 AM PST US From: David Maib Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: fuel caps I have the retrofit caps from Van's. I don't know if they are identical to the Andair, but they sure look the same. http:// www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi? ident=1295878348-248-561&browse=misc&product=retro-cap Easy retrofit install in the existing QB tank flanges. I too can confirm that fuel leaks out of the key slot if the tanks are filled to the brim. I had mine engraved by Bill's Custom Engraving http://www.rvengraving.com/ and had him paint the engraved lettering black. They look great and are very high quality. I have never had any problem with the smaller opening and have fueled at many FBO's all over the country (east of the Rockies anyway). David Maib 40559 flying On Jan 23, 2011, at 11:04 PM, Billy & Tami Britton wrote: > > > The way I understand it--Andair's site doesn't really say much > about them--we go ahead and install the stock Vans flanges and the > andair flange is pro-sealed into that flange???? Has the smaller > opening presented any issues as far as fuel nozzles being too big > to fit in? > > Thanks again, > Bill > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Rob Kermanj" > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 7:51 PM > To: > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: fuel caps > >> >> I bought the Andair locking caps. I think $80 each. As it is true >> of all their products; cost more but high quality. Make sure you >> ask for a common key though. >> >> Do not archive >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Jan 23, 2011, at 3:50 PM, "rv10flyer" >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> I installed them on my sb tanks last year. You'll need to flatten >>> the curvature with a belt sander using 80 grit, then 120 grit. It >>> takes about an hour or so for both. They are made of a VERY hard >>> aluminum alloy...don't have any idea, but they will get very hot >>> while sanding so keep some water handy and good leather gloves. >>> You'll like them once done with sanding/installation. >>> >>> -------- >>> Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08 >>> Bldr# 40983 SB Started 12/1/09. >>> Fuselage Sec 41 Fwd top fuse skin/panel >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=328093#328093 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:57:53 AM PST US From: David Maib Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: fuel caps I just noticed that Bill's Custom Engraving is selling the retrofit Newton's Caps that Van's sells for $65 each. Bill is selling them for $28 each according to his web site!! I emailed him to find out if that is a "for real" price. David Maib 40559 flying On Jan 24, 2011, at 9:20 AM, David Maib wrote: > > I have the retrofit caps from Van's. I don't know if they are > identical to the Andair, but they sure look the same. http:// > www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi? > ident=1295878348-248-561&browse=misc&product=retro-cap Easy > retrofit install in the existing QB tank flanges. I too can confirm > that fuel leaks out of the key slot if the tanks are filled to the > brim. I had mine engraved by Bill's Custom Engraving http:// > www.rvengraving.com/ and had him paint the engraved lettering > black. They look great and are very high quality. I have never had > any problem with the smaller opening and have fueled at many FBO's > all over the country (east of the Rockies anyway). > > David Maib > 40559 > flying > > On Jan 23, 2011, at 11:04 PM, Billy & Tami Britton wrote: > >> >> >> The way I understand it--Andair's site doesn't really say much >> about them--we go ahead and install the stock Vans flanges and the >> andair flange is pro-sealed into that flange???? Has the smaller >> opening presented any issues as far as fuel nozzles being too big >> to fit in? >> >> Thanks again, >> Bill >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Rob Kermanj" >> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 7:51 PM >> To: >> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: fuel caps >> >>> >>> I bought the Andair locking caps. I think $80 each. As it is >>> true of all their products; cost more but high quality. Make sure >>> you ask for a common key though. >>> >>> Do not archive >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Jan 23, 2011, at 3:50 PM, "rv10flyer" >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I installed them on my sb tanks last year. You'll need to >>>> flatten the curvature with a belt sander using 80 grit, then 120 >>>> grit. It takes about an hour or so for both. They are made of a >>>> VERY hard aluminum alloy...don't have any idea, but they will >>>> get very hot while sanding so keep some water handy and good >>>> leather gloves. You'll like them once done with sanding/ >>>> installation. >>>> >>>> -------- >>>> Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08 >>>> Bldr# 40983 SB Started 12/1/09. >>>> Fuselage Sec 41 Fwd top fuse skin/panel >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Read this topic online here: >>>> >>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=328093#328093 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:14:35 AM PST US From: David Maib Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: fuel caps Bill responded very quickly to my email and told that his webmaster made a mistake and $28 is the price for the engraving on the Newton caps. He did not say what he sells the caps for. So, as usual, if it seems too good to be true...............!! David Maib 40559 flying On Jan 24, 2011, at 9:51 AM, David Maib wrote: > > I just noticed that Bill's Custom Engraving is selling the retrofit > Newton's Caps that Van's sells for $65 each. Bill is selling them > for $28 each according to his web site!! I emailed him to find out > if that is a "for real" price. > > David Maib > 40559 > flying > > On Jan 24, 2011, at 9:20 AM, David Maib wrote: > >> >> I have the retrofit caps from Van's. I don't know if they are >> identical to the Andair, but they sure look the same. http:// >> www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi? >> ident=1295878348-248-561&browse=misc&product=retro-cap Easy >> retrofit install in the existing QB tank flanges. I too can >> confirm that fuel leaks out of the key slot if the tanks are >> filled to the brim. I had mine engraved by Bill's Custom Engraving >> http://www.rvengraving.com/ and had him paint the engraved >> lettering black. They look great and are very high quality. I have >> never had any problem with the smaller opening and have fueled at >> many FBO's all over the country (east of the Rockies anyway). >> >> David Maib >> 40559 >> flying >> >> On Jan 23, 2011, at 11:04 PM, Billy & Tami Britton wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> The way I understand it--Andair's site doesn't really say much >>> about them--we go ahead and install the stock Vans flanges and >>> the andair flange is pro-sealed into that flange???? Has the >>> smaller opening presented any issues as far as fuel nozzles being >>> too big to fit in? >>> >>> Thanks again, >>> Bill >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "Rob Kermanj" >>> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 7:51 PM >>> To: >>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: fuel caps >>> >>>> >>>> I bought the Andair locking caps. I think $80 each. As it is >>>> true of all their products; cost more but high quality. Make >>>> sure you ask for a common key though. >>>> >>>> Do not archive >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>> On Jan 23, 2011, at 3:50 PM, "rv10flyer" >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I installed them on my sb tanks last year. You'll need to >>>>> flatten the curvature with a belt sander using 80 grit, then >>>>> 120 grit. It takes about an hour or so for both. They are made >>>>> of a VERY hard aluminum alloy...don't have any idea, but they >>>>> will get very hot while sanding so keep some water handy and >>>>> good leather gloves. You'll like them once done with sanding/ >>>>> installation. >>>>> >>>>> -------- >>>>> Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08 >>>>> Bldr# 40983 SB Started 12/1/09. >>>>> Fuselage Sec 41 Fwd top fuse skin/panel >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Read this topic online here: >>>>> >>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=328093#328093 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:35:46 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: I shant shunt From: "Strasnuts" Current Shunts are considered more accurate and cheaper than Hall effect devices. I'm sure it really is an insignificant difference and having less terminal connections is nice too. I went with two shunts for my G3X. The manual shows both hall effect and shunts. -------- Cust. #40936 RV-10 SB Fuselage N801VR reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=328202#328202 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:33:42 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: First engine start From: Rob Kochman Thanks, Eric... my money is on you, since my DAR visit isn't scheduled for almost a month. Is your mag an impulse coupled mag? I'm starting mine on both ignitions--we'll except for that first start :) BTW, added a couple videos... First start, on one mag: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImWsEK9Fhuc Starting it later on both ignitions: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfLZDNbsdrk -Rob On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 5:13 AM, Eric_Kallio wrote: > > Don't worry Rob. Mine was far from perfect either. Turns out the wiring > diagram for my ignition was off and had me put the wrong ignition system to > ground. I too have a mag and a Lightspeed, but the wiring diagram didn't > have me grounding one out for start. According to the other mechanics on the > filed I should run the mag used to start to the ground. going to review my > schematics today. Congrats. I wonder who will be the next to get their first > flight. > > Eric > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=328188#328188 > > -- Rob Kochman RV-10 "Finishing" Kit Woodinville, WA (near Seattle) http://kochman.net/N819K ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:09:05 PM PST US From: "Fred Williams, M.D." Subject: RV10-List: Step I wanted to add another data point to the broken step. I took some friends up for a ride this weekend. As a 300 lb guy was getting into the plane, the right step broke off . Same place as previous notes. Weld broke, looked like minimal weld material at top. I had a significant amount of rust inside. I remember that I did put some primer inside the tube. Will have to cut access holes to get to the bolt. May be something to think about if you have a heavy person to get in the plane. Might want to get a small step stool out to help them get up a little higher. When he was getting in the plane, he couldn't quite get his weight forward enough to grab the door sill. So he kinda hesitated and tried to catch his balance and wavered on the step just before it broke. Maybe if he had a step it would have been a little easier and he wouldn't have stressed the weld so much. Of course, small dent in the skin underneath. I'll try and take some pics and post later. May be the weekend before I can address the issue. Dr Fred 515 FW. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:43:56 PM PST US From: davidsoutpost@comcast.net Subject: Re: RV10-List: Step One of my steps had a stress crack about 3/8" long on the top of the step weld where it joins the strut. There was a small pit where it started in the middle. I have a TIG welder so I re-welded both steps adding quite a bit of filler as I went along . No way I want to have to remove one if/when one breaks, and that particular step would have broke real quickly. I am now waiting them to come back from chroming so I can get them installed and install the baggage floors. David Clifford RV-10 Builder N849RV (reserved) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Williams, M.D." Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 5:06:05 PM Subject: RV10-List: Step I wanted to add another data point to the broken step. I took some friends up for a ride this weekend. As a 300 lb guy was getting into the plane, the right step broke off . Same place as previous notes. Weld broke, looked like minimal weld material at top. I had a significant amount of rust inside. I remember that I did put some primer inside the tube. Will have to cut access holes to get to the bolt. May be something to think about if you have a heavy person to get in the plane. Might want to get a small step stool out to help them get up a little higher. When he was getting in the plane, he couldn't quite get his weight forward enough to grab the door sill. So he kinda hesitated and tried to catch his balance and wavered on the step just before it broke. Maybe if he had a step it would have been a little easier and he wouldn't have stressed the weld so much. Of course, small dent in the skin underneath. I'll try and take some pics and post later. May be the weekend before I can address the issue. Dr Fred 515 FW. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:51:45 PM PST US From: "Pascal" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Step Sounds like 300lbs is the limit on the step. Regardless of the rust I think there needs to be a concern that the step is a sore spot on the planes. While up at a VAF Socal meeting and show and tell there was a RV-7 that had a missing step as well. Seems many have commented on the weak weld and need to reweld the step before it breaks. I am seriously thinking of a portable step for my passengers. It may be a hassle, for the few times I do it, but it will be better than a broken step that will force me to do more later. Pascal -----Original Message----- From: Fred Williams, M.D. Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 2:06 PM Subject: RV10-List: Step I wanted to add another data point to the broken step. I took some friends up for a ride this weekend. As a 300 lb guy was getting into the plane, the right step broke off . Same place as previous notes. Weld broke, looked like minimal weld material at top. I had a significant amount of rust inside. I remember that I did put some primer inside the tube. Will have to cut access holes to get to the bolt. May be something to think about if you have a heavy person to get in the plane. Might want to get a small step stool out to help them get up a little higher. When he was getting in the plane, he couldn't quite get his weight forward enough to grab the door sill. So he kinda hesitated and tried to catch his balance and wavered on the step just before it broke. Maybe if he had a step it would have been a little easier and he wouldn't have stressed the weld so much. Of course, small dent in the skin underneath. I'll try and take some pics and post later. May be the weekend before I can address the issue. Dr Fred 515 FW. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:24:40 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Step From: Rob Kochman Are people getting injured when these things break? -Rob On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Pascal wrote: > > Sounds like 300lbs is the limit on the step. Regardless of the rust I think > there needs to be a concern that the step is a sore spot on the planes. > While up at a VAF Socal meeting and show and tell there was a RV-7 that had > a missing step as well. Seems many have commented on the weak weld and need > to reweld the step before it breaks. > I am seriously thinking of a portable step for my passengers. It may be a > hassle, for the few times I do it, but it will be better than a broken step > that will force me to do more later. > Pascal > > -----Original Message----- From: Fred Williams, M.D. > Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 2:06 PM > To: RV 10 > > Subject: RV10-List: Step > > drfred@suddenlinkmail.com> > > > I wanted to add another data point to the broken step. I took some > friends up for a ride this weekend. As a 300 lb guy was getting into > the plane, the right step broke off . Same place as previous notes. > Weld broke, looked like minimal weld material at top. I had a > significant amount of rust inside. I remember that I did put some > primer inside the tube. Will have to cut access holes to get to the bolt. > > May be something to think about if you have a heavy person to get in the > plane. Might want to get a small step stool out to help them get up a > little higher. When he was getting in the plane, he couldn't quite get > his weight forward enough to grab the door sill. So he kinda hesitated > and tried to catch his balance and wavered on the step just before it > broke. Maybe if he had a step it would have been a little easier and he > wouldn't have stressed the weld so much. > > Of course, small dent in the skin underneath. > > I'll try and take some pics and post later. May be the weekend before I > can address the issue. > > Dr Fred > > 515 FW. > > -- Rob Kochman RV-10 "Finishing" Kit Woodinville, WA (near Seattle) http://kochman.net/N819K ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:34:10 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Step From: Kelly McMullen Has anyone considered putting a grab handle under the right rear window to help passengers come aboard? On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Pascal wrote: > > Sounds like 300lbs is the limit on the step. Regardless of the rust I think > there needs to be a concern that the step is a sore spot on the planes. > While up at a VAF Socal meeting and show and tell there was a RV-7 that had > a missing step as well. Seems many have commented on the weak weld and need > to reweld the step before it breaks. > I am seriously thinking of a portable step for my passengers. It may be a > hassle, for the few times I do it, but it will be better than a broken step > that will force me to do more later. > Pascal ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:34:59 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: First engine start From: "Eric_Kallio" My mag is impulse coupled. Started with the lightspeed disabled on the first run. The second run had them both enabled, although the key switch grounds out the Lightspeed in the start position, but as soon as I release it and I am in the both position there is a noticeable smoothing of the engine. I like the videos. My airport manager filmed my first run on her iphone. and she hasn't been able to send it to me yet. I am looking at my first flight on February 6th or 7th. I'll see how the re-assembly goes. I am also changing the upper cowl faster from the hinge to the Skybolt fastners, so there is a days work. Eric Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=328321#328321 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:51:21 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Step Step breakage issues aren't unique to RV's...they're common on many other models too. So they're always something to treat carefully. A portable step would be a good idea if you're loading a lot of chubbies....you not only have the step breakage issue but if you're aft loaded with gear, you could have the "smash the tail to the ground" issue too. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD do not archive On 1/24/2011 5:48 PM, Pascal wrote: > > Sounds like 300lbs is the limit on the step. Regardless of the rust I > think there needs to be a concern that the step is a sore spot on the > planes. While up at a VAF Socal meeting and show and tell there was a > RV-7 that had a missing step as well. Seems many have commented on the > weak weld and need to reweld the step before it breaks. > I am seriously thinking of a portable step for my passengers. It may be > a hassle, for the few times I do it, but it will be better than a broken > step that will force me to do more later. > Pascal > > -----Original Message----- From: Fred Williams, M.D. > Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 2:06 PM > To: RV 10 > Subject: RV10-List: Step > > > > > I wanted to add another data point to the broken step. I took some > friends up for a ride this weekend. As a 300 lb guy was getting into > the plane, the right step broke off . Same place as previous notes. > Weld broke, looked like minimal weld material at top. I had a > significant amount of rust inside. I remember that I did put some > primer inside the tube. Will have to cut access holes to get to the bolt. > > May be something to think about if you have a heavy person to get in the > plane. Might want to get a small step stool out to help them get up a > little higher. When he was getting in the plane, he couldn't quite get > his weight forward enough to grab the door sill. So he kinda hesitated > and tried to catch his balance and wavered on the step just before it > broke. Maybe if he had a step it would have been a little easier and he > wouldn't have stressed the weld so much. > > Of course, small dent in the skin underneath. > > I'll try and take some pics and post later. May be the weekend before I > can address the issue. > > Dr Fred > > 515 FW. > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:51:56 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: First engine start From: Rob Kochman Has anyone had a kickback issue (or any other issues) starting with both lightspeed+mag on the (I)O-540? -Rob On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 4:32 PM, Eric_Kallio wrote: > > My mag is impulse coupled. Started with the lightspeed disabled on the > first run. The second run had them both enabled, although the key switch > grounds out the Lightspeed in the start position, but as soon as I release > it and I am in the both position there is a noticeable smoothing of the > engine. I like the videos. My airport manager filmed my first run on her > iphone. and she hasn't been able to send it to me yet. I am looking at my > first flight on February 6th or 7th. I'll see how the re-assembly goes. I am > also changing the upper cowl faster from the hinge to the Skybolt fastners, > so there is a days work. > > Eric > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=328321#328321 > > -- Rob Kochman RV-10 "Finishing" Kit Woodinville, WA (near Seattle) http://kochman.net/N819K ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:17:37 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: fuel caps From: "mvultaggio" Curious. If the Andair fuel caps leak a little when the tanks are totally full, does that mean they also allow water to get in the tanks in a rain storm? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=328328#328328 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:19:50 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Finish Kit Inventory From: "mds4878" Can anybody email me a RV10 inventory list for the finish kit? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=328329#328329 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:25:52 PM PST US From: "John Cumins" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Step We have a handle mounted on the curve of the fuselage above the step on our Saratoga, and I plan on adding 2 ea type handles to my -10 one on each side makes climbing the step much easier and safer. John G. Cumins 40864 Wings Rib riveting -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 4:30 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Step Has anyone considered putting a grab handle under the right rear window to help passengers come aboard? On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Pascal wrote: > > Sounds like 300lbs is the limit on the step. Regardless of the rust I > think there needs to be a concern that the step is a sore spot on the planes. > While up at a VAF Socal meeting and show and tell there was a RV-7 > that had a missing step as well. Seems many have commented on the weak > weld and need to reweld the step before it breaks. > I am seriously thinking of a portable step for my passengers. It may > be a hassle, for the few times I do it, but it will be better than a > broken step that will force me to do more later. > Pascal ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 05:35:29 PM PST US From: David Maib Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: fuel caps I wondered the same thing. I am happy to report that I have parked my airplane out in the rain overnight on a few occasions and have never seen even a drop of water come out of the sumps. I wonder if the slight pressurization of the tanks through the tank vents when in flight doesn't contribute to the "full tanks fuel out the key slot" issue with the Newton/Andair caps? David Maib 40559 flying On Jan 24, 2011, at 8:15 PM, mvultaggio wrote: > > Curious. If the Andair fuel caps leak a little when the tanks are > totally full, does that mean they also allow water to get in the > tanks in a rain storm? > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=328328#328328 > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 05:43:52 PM PST US From: David Maib Subject: Re: RV10-List: Step I put handles above the rear windows, and many others have as well. They are similar to handles on the older Bonanza I used to fly, and they work well. David Maib 40559 flying On Jan 24, 2011, at 7:29 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: > > Has anyone considered putting a grab handle under the right rear > window to help passengers come aboard? > > On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Pascal > wrote: >> >> Sounds like 300lbs is the limit on the step. Regardless of the >> rust I think >> there needs to be a concern that the step is a sore spot on the >> planes. >> While up at a VAF Socal meeting and show and tell there was a RV-7 >> that had >> a missing step as well. Seems many have commented on the weak weld >> and need >> to reweld the step before it breaks. >> I am seriously thinking of a portable step for my passengers. It >> may be a >> hassle, for the few times I do it, but it will be better than a >> broken step >> that will force me to do more later. >> Pascal > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 06:05:14 PM PST US From: "Roger Standley" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Step Is there an upper limit on the size of a single passenger or pilot? It seems that there would be a limit to how much can walk on the wing or that the seat and seat belts can support during CAT or high G maneuvers. Roger > On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Pascal > > wrote: > >> >> Sounds like 300lbs is the limit on the step. Regardless of the >> rust I think >> there needs to be a concern that the step is a sore spot on the >> planes. >> While up at a VAF Socal meeting and show and tell there was a RV-7 >> that had >> a missing step as well. Seems many have commented on the weak weld >> and need >> to reweld the step before it breaks. >> I am seriously thinking of a portable step for my passengers. It >> may be a >> hassle, for the few times I do it, but it will be better than a >> broken step >> that will force me to do more later. >> Pascal ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 06:09:00 PM PST US From: Neil & Sarah Colliver Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: fuel caps yes. On 25/01/2011, at 2:15 PM, mvultaggio wrote: > > Curious. If the Andair fuel caps leak a little when the tanks are totally full, does that mean they also allow water to get in the tanks in a rain storm? > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=328328#328328 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 06:09:59 PM PST US From: "Roger Standley" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Landing gear shake Thank you for the feedback. I plan to replace the main tires and brake pads soon and will be mindful of the items you all have mentioned. More to follow... Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: Phillip Perry To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 6:28 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Landing gear shake > I have a static balancer and found that following Van's 'red dot' plans but the tire/wheel assemblies at the most extreme out of balance scenario. I eventually had to install the red dot 180 degrees opposite of Vans plans and still add weight to bring the assembly into balance. This was true on both of the mains. I can't speak for Vans nosewheel because I went with the Matco setup. Your milage may vary, but this was just waht I found on mine after balancing them. On 1/23/11, Carl Froehlich > wrote: > Good discussions on this in the archive. > > > > Standard things to check: > > - Balance all wheels/tire assemblies. I use the stick on weights - > available at Matco. > > - Check main gear hub cap for proper load on the wheel bearings. > The wheel should spin a turn or so after a good hand push. > > - Check that you don't have an out of round tire. > > - On the nose gear install the Matco replacement axel if not > already done: > http://www.matcomfg.com/AXLEASSEMBLYA24125INCH-idv-3657-1.html This enables > a fixed preload on the nose bearing that is not affected by axel to fork > mounting bolt torque. Note - a nose gear shimmy can induce a main gear > vibration. > > > > Carl Froehlich > > RV-8A (600 hours) > > RV-10 (just finishing cowl and plenum install) > > > > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Standley > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 8:41 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Landing gear shake > > > > > Today I was able to have a guy observe the gear up close as I was landing. I > have been feeling a shake during roll out below 30 mph. Sometimes not too > much but sometimes significant. Applying brakes seems to make it worse but > nothing will make it stop until slowing below 20 mph. Speeds above 30 mph > are smooth. He said that the left main was shaking and it looked to be > rapidly moving forward and back. > > Are others noticing this shaking? Is there a fix or a way to minimize the > shaking that anyone has discovered? > > > > Thank you, > > > > Roger Standley > > N291RV > > 165 hours > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 07:39:24 PM PST US From: "Bob Leffler" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Finish Kit Inventory Here you go.... bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of mds4878 Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 8:18 PM Subject: RV10-List: Finish Kit Inventory Can anybody email me a RV10 inventory list for the finish kit? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=328329#328329 Packing List Order : 8-29808 Order Date:12.09.08 Ship Date :12.09.08 Page Num : 1 Customer: Ship To: NB209 SAMPLE rv-10 fin OVER-COUNTER SALES ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Ship Via:WILL CALL ORDER PULLED BY: CHECKED BY: ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Qty Picked Qty to Pick Item Number Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- __________ 1.00 RV-10 FINISH IO-540 KIT================== ________ 1.00 C-1002A-L CABIN DOOR OUTR.SHELL ________ 1.00 C-1002A-R CABIN DOOR OUTR.SHELL ________ 1.00 C-1002B-L CABIN DOOR INER.SHELL ________ 1.00 C-1002B-R CABIN DOOR INER.SHELL ________ 1.00 C-1003-L LEFT DOOR WINDOW ________ 1.00 C-1003-R RIGHT DOOR WINDOW ________ 1.00 CA SEAT ASSEMBLY -10 L/R SEAT ASSY/CUSHNS " ________ 1.00 COWL,10 BOT.IO-540 COWL BOTTOM " " ________ 1.00 COWL,10 TOP IO-540 COWL TOP " ________ 2.00 U 15X6.0-6 MAIN TIRE 6 PLY RV-10 ________ 2.00 U 15X6.0-6IT INNER TUBE MAIN RV-10 ________ 1.00 U 5:00X5-6 6 PLY TIRE MAIN GEAR ________ 1.00 U 5:00X5-6IT TUBE FOR 5:005-6 " ________ 1.00 U CLEVELAND 199-104A 6"" RV-10 WHEELS SETS " X ________ 1.00 U NW501.25 NOSE WHEEL W/BEARINGS $127 ________ 1.00 U-1001-L-PC MAIN GEAR LEG ________ 1.00 U-1001-R-PC MAIN GEAR LEG ________ 2.00 U-1004A AXLE NUT ON GEAR LEG ________ 1.00 U-1013A WHL.FAIR.NOSE FRONT ________ 1.00 U-1013B WHL.FAIR.NOSE REAR ________ 2.00 U-1057A MAIN WHL.FAIRNG.FRONT ________ 2.00 U-1057B MAIN WHL.FAIRING REAR X can't find ________ 2.00 VENT SV-10 VENT FRESH AIR ________ 1.00 WD-1001-D1-PC 10A DYNA-1 ENG.MNT. ________ 1.00 WD-1016-PC NOSE GEAR LINK ASSY. ________ 1.00 WD-1017-PC NOSE GEAR STRUT ________ 2.00 AN257-P3X6' HINGE X 6' ________ 1.00 HINGE PIANO 063X3' LEG FAIRING HINGE ALL ________ 1.00 HINGE PIANO 063X6' 063 PIANO HINGE ________ 1.00 SSP-090X6' STAINLESS STEEL PIN ________ 1.00 SSP-120X6' STAINLESS STEEL PIN ________ 1.00 VENT SCAT 2X6' SCAT TUBE X 6 FT ________ 1.00 RUBBER DOOR SEALX25' VA-198 DOOR SEAL " ________ 1.00 SPINNER, C/S-13 C/S SPINNER KIT ALL " " ________ 1.00 S-601-1 FG SPINNER BOWL 13"" " " ________ 1.00 S-602-1 FP,CS,SEN 13""BACK PLT " ________ 1.00 S-602B RV-6 CS DOUBLER PLATE ________ 1.00 S-603 RV-6 CS SPIN FRNT PLT ________ 1.00 BAG 924-3 C/S SPINNER HARDWARE ________ 1.00 BAG 945 ADDED SPINNER HWDRE ________ 1.00 DOC C/S SPINNER INSTALLATION DOCUMENT ________ 1.00 DWG C-4 SPINNER INSTALL ALL ________ 0.00 ZZZZZZZ EOK ZZZZZZZ -----END OF KIT------ ________ 2.00 AS3-020X1/2X48 WINGTIP BACK STRIP ________ 1.00 10A PLANS FINISH PLANS & MANUAL ________ 1.00 10 DOOR LATCH SYSTEM WARNING LIGHT KIT ________ 1.00 10 FIN SUB-KIT 1 MISC.PARTS ________ 2.00 C-1002C GAS STRUT ATT.DOUBLER ________ 2.00 C-1008 HANDLE LEVER X C-1016 HD ________ 2.00 C-1016 DOOR STRUT GAS STRUT FOR RV-10 $39 for C-1016 $109 for C-1016 HD " ________ 2.00 C-RACK 10"" GEAR RACK " ________ 1.00 F-10108A {10 FIN} {INV.COUNTER} ________ 1.00 F-10108B SPLICE PLATE ________ 1.00 F-10108C PLATE ________ 2.00 F-10109 LOUVER ________ 2.00 U-1003-PC BRAKE MOUNT ? ________ 1.00 U-1009 AXLE ________ 1.00 U-1010-L MAIN WHL.FAIRING BRKT ________ 1.00 U-1010-R MAIN WHL.FAIRING BRKT ________ 1.00 U-1013C-L N.WHEEL PANT BRACKET ________ 1.00 U-1013C-R N.WHEEL PANT BRACKET ________ 1.00 WD-1015-PC LINK CAP ASSY. ________ 2.00 WD-1022-PC DOOR HANDLE ASSEMBLY ________ 2.00 WD-1023-PC GAS STRUT BRACKET ________ 1.00 WD-1031-PC AXLE FLANGE ________ 1.00 AS3-063X5X10.469 AS 5X10.469 " ________ 1.00 FBGLS.PARABEAM 9X30 FBGLS CLOTH 9""X30"" " ________ 0.00 ZZZZZZZ EOK ZZZZZZZ -----END OF KIT------ ________ 1.00 10 FIN SUB-KIT 2 MISC.PARTS ________ 1.00 C-1011-L FWD.LATCH PIN ________ 1.00 C-1011-R FWD.LATCH PIN ________ 1.00 C-1012-L AFT LATCH PIN ASSY. ________ 1.00 C-1012-R AFT LATCH PIN ASSY. ________ 2.00 U-1017A GEAR LEG FAIRING MAIN ________ 1.00 U-1018A NOSE GEAR LEG FAIRING ________ 0.00 ZZZZZZZ EOK ZZZZZZZ -----END OF KIT------ ________ 1.00 10 FIN SUB-KIT 3 MISC.PARTS " ________ 1.00 COWL,10 INLET LEFT INLET LEFT " " ________ 1.00 COWL,10 INLET RIGHT INLET RIGHT " ________ 1.00 COWL-10-01A COWL OIL DOOR ________ 1.00 COWL-10-01B OIL DOOR CORE ________ 0.00 ZZZZZZZ EOK ZZZZZZZ -----END OF KIT------ ________ 1.00 10 FIN SUB-KIT 4 MISC.PARTS ________ 1.00 U-1019-L LWR.INTERSECT.FAIRING ________ 1.00 U-1019-R LWR.INTERSECT.FAIRING ________ 1.00 U-1020-L UPR.INTERSECT.FAIRING ________ 1.00 U-1020-R UPR.INTERSECT.FAIRING ________ 0.00 ZZZZZZZ EOK ZZZZZZZ -----END OF KIT------ ________ 1.00 10 FIN SUB-KIT 5 MISC.PARTS ________ 1.00 WD-1030 NOSE FORK ________ 4.00 EA J-11968-14 GEAR ELASTOMER -10 ________ 0.00 ZZZZZZZ EOK ZZZZZZZ -----END OF KIT------ ________ 1.00 10A FINISH HARDWARE HARDWARE BAGS ________ 1.00 BAG 1501 AN426AD3-3.5 ________ 1.00 BAG 1502 AN426AD3-4 ________ 1.00 BAG 1503 AN426AD3-4.5 ________ 1.00 BAG 1504 AN426AD3-5 ________ 1.00 BAG 1507 AN426AD4-5 ________ 1.00 BAG 1510 AN470AD3-4 ________ 1.00 BAG 1512 AN470AD4-5 ________ 1.00 BAG 1514 RIVET CCR264SS-3-2 ________ 1.00 BAG 1516 RIVET LP4-3 ________ 1.00 BAG 1518 AN3 BOLTS ________ 1.00 BAG 1520 AN4 BOLTS ________ 1.00 BAG 1521 AN5 BOLTS ________ 1.00 BAG 1522 AN6/AN7 BOLTS ________ 1.00 BAG 1523 SCREWS 632/832 ________ 1.00 BAG 1524 MISC. NUTS ________ 1.00 BAG 1525 SCREWS: FLATHEAD ________ 1.00 BAG 1526-1 SCREWS SS 632/832/SMS ________ 1.00 BAG 1527 NUTS: 10-32 ________ 1.00 BAG 1528 HOSE CLAMPS ________ 1.00 BAG 1529 MISC. LARGE WASHERS ________ 1.00 BAG 1530 MISC. SMALL WASHERS ________ 1.00 BAG 1531 CAMLOCKS ________ 1.00 BAG 1532 MISC PLATENUTS ________ 1.00 BAG 1533 K1000-06 PLATENUTS ________ 1.00 BAG 1534 K1000-08 PLATENUTS ________ 1.00 BAG 1535-1 AXLE HWR ________ 1.00 BAG 1536 MISC. HI TEMP STOPNUT ________ 1.00 BAG 1537 MISC. LOCKNUTS ________ 1.00 BAG 1539 MISC. COTTER PINS ________ 1.00 BAG 1541 MISC ________ 1.00 BAG 1542 WASHERS ________ 1.00 BAG 1545 MISC. HARDWARE ________ 1.00 BAG 1546 MISC. HARDWARE ________ 1.00 BAG 1547 MISC. HARDWARE ________ 1.00 BAG 1548 MISC. HARDWARE ________ 0.00 ZZZZZZZ EOK ZZZZZZZ -----END OF KIT------ ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 08:37:11 PM PST US From: "Ben Westfall" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Speaking of Ray Allen Servos Another method for the ray allen servo wires for those that might not have seen it http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/macservo/macservo.html With the E6000 and heat shrink it provides very effective strain relief. If you go to the trouble of trimming the db-9 connectors metal shells the whole assembly is very lite. Ben Westfall On 1/23/2011 8:59 PM, Les Kearney wrote: Hi Linn A small but perhaps important question. What kind of lug do you attach? Crimp on ring terminal? Usually. I put a little (1/2") heat shrink on the braid, crimp the terminal, and then do the shrinking. Don't cheap out on the crimp connectors, and use a good crimper. Hammers and vice grips don't hack it. Not saying you'd do that, but you'd be surprised how many do. Linn Cheers Les ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 09:13:58 PM PST US From: "Pascal" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Finish Kit Inventory I would ask Vans to send you the inventory for the finish kit. I saw a kit this weekend and noticed there were different parts sent to that builder than I received. Probably 1-2 year difference in kit receipt. remove half the items!! My biggest mistake was not getting "real" door seals- I am still fine tuning the work I did to make the doors fit. dont even think of getting the seals Vans sends Get the tires from Desser, get the windows from Cee Baileys get the front axle and wheels from Matco get on a aftermarket site for the RV-10 and buy the 180 degree door mechanism. the wheel pant extensions whatever you do for the doors when gluing together, lay a few layers of glass all around the doors to make them stiffer, they are waaaaayyyyy to flimsy per the plans instructions. P -----Original Message----- From: Bob Leffler Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 7:16 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Finish Kit Inventory Here you go.... bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of mds4878 Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 8:18 PM Subject: RV10-List: Finish Kit Inventory Can anybody email me a RV10 inventory list for the finish kit? 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