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1. 07:50 AM - FWF/Prop Gov (rleffler)
2. 07:55 AM - Re: Another official flying RV10 (rv10flyer)
3. 09:04 AM - AHRS Mount angle (Chris)
4. 09:10 AM - Re: FWF/Prop Gov (Jesse Saint)
5. 10:25 AM - Re: FWF/Prop Gov (Rob Kochman)
6. 10:32 AM - Re: FWF/Prop Gov (rleffler)
7. 10:43 AM - Re: FWF/Prop Gov (rleffler)
8. 11:11 AM - plane power alternator update (DLM)
9. 12:33 PM - Re: Doors redux (jayb)
10. 01:13 PM - Re: Re: FWF/Prop Gov (John Gonzalez)
11. 01:49 PM - Re: Re: ACK E-04 ELT (Werner Schneider)
12. 02:58 PM - Re: Re: ACK E-04 ELT (Tim Olson)
13. 03:03 PM - Re: Baggage Door Removal (Patrick Pulis)
14. 03:16 PM - Re: NAV/COM/GS Antenna (maca2790)
15. 06:07 PM - Re: ACK E-04 ELT (Lenny Iszak)
16. 06:11 PM - Re: ACK E-04 ELT (Ron B.)
17. 07:08 PM - Re: Re: ACK E-04 ELT (Tim Olson)
18. 10:49 PM - Re: Re: ACK E-04 ELT (Werner Schneider)
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I just picked up my FWF kit this morning. At the moment, I'm not a happy camper.
Van's did notify me that the exhaust system would be back ordered and I was ok
with that. When I got my kit this morning, I found that other items had been
back ordered, specifically one of the dynafocal kits. So I'm at a work stoppage
until the fourth dynafocal kit shows up.
My other annoyance at the moment is that they substituted a Hartzell Governor for
the MT with out any notification.
The feedback that I had received previously was that the Hartzell was a couple
pounds heavier and maintenance prone. I don't know if this reputation is do to
more familiarity with the Hartzell than the MT. I did decide to stay with
the MT as oppose to the PCU5000 to save $300.
At the moment, I'm planning on sending the Hartzell back to Van's and start a debate
over the 10% restocking fee. Am I over reacting? Is the difference in
performance, weight, and quality worth the hassle?
I plan on calling Van's in a bit after I cool off. Unfortunately, I also had
a bad experience again with Fedex-Ground this morning. It's been on of those
days. :x
bob
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Bob Leffler
N410BL - FWF
RV-10 #40684
http://mykitlog.com/rleffler
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| Subject: | Re: Another official flying RV10 |
Congratulations Byron!
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Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08
Bldr# 40983 SB Started 12/1/09.
Fuselage Sec 41 Fwd top fuse skin/panel
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| Subject: | AHRS Mount angle |
I have my AHRS (GRT) mounted behind the baggage bay on the two angles which
lay on top of the angle longerons . I see many people have this set up.
Best I can tell this does not result in a pitch for the AHRSl which is the
same as the door sill (door sill being the level called out for leveling the
aircraft). How is this handled ? Do I need to shim it?
Thanks
Chris Lucas
#40072
Approaching painting and other "minor" tidbits
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| Subject: | Re: FWF/Prop Gov |
There are a lot of things that you can do with the FWF kit before hanging the engine.
It's worth a call to Van's to find out when the other parts will get in.
On the Governor, I haven't heard anything about the Hartzell, but it's worth
a call to get them to change it or to see if they have changed from the MT
to the Hartzell across the board for the RV-10.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
On Jan 27, 2011, at 10:47 AM, rleffler wrote:
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> I just picked up my FWF kit this morning. At the moment, I'm not a happy camper.
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> Van's did notify me that the exhaust system would be back ordered and I was ok
with that. When I got my kit this morning, I found that other items had been
back ordered, specifically one of the dynafocal kits. So I'm at a work stoppage
until the fourth dynafocal kit shows up.
>
> My other annoyance at the moment is that they substituted a Hartzell Governor
for the MT with out any notification.
>
> The feedback that I had received previously was that the Hartzell was a couple
pounds heavier and maintenance prone. I don't know if this reputation is do
to more familiarity with the Hartzell than the MT. I did decide to stay with
the MT as oppose to the PCU5000 to save $300.
>
> At the moment, I'm planning on sending the Hartzell back to Van's and start a
debate over the 10% restocking fee. Am I over reacting? Is the difference
in performance, weight, and quality worth the hassle?
>
> I plan on calling Van's in a bit after I cool off. Unfortunately, I also had
a bad experience again with Fedex-Ground this morning. It's been on of those
days. :x
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> bob
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> Bob Leffler
> N410BL - FWF
> RV-10 #40684
> http://mykitlog.com/rleffler
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| Subject: | Re: FWF/Prop Gov |
I don't have an opinion on the MT vs. Hartzell, but I'd be really surprised
if Van's charged you anything to take the governor back, given you couldn't
have been expected to know about the change.
-Rob
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 7:47 AM, rleffler <rv@thelefflers.com> wrote:
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> I just picked up my FWF kit this morning. At the moment, I'm not a happy
> camper.
>
> Van's did notify me that the exhaust system would be back ordered and I was
> ok with that. When I got my kit this morning, I found that other items had
> been back ordered, specifically one of the dynafocal kits. So I'm at a work
> stoppage until the fourth dynafocal kit shows up.
>
> My other annoyance at the moment is that they substituted a Hartzell
> Governor for the MT with out any notification.
>
> The feedback that I had received previously was that the Hartzell was a
> couple pounds heavier and maintenance prone. I don't know if this
> reputation is do to more familiarity with the Hartzell than the MT. I did
> decide to stay with the MT as oppose to the PCU5000 to save $300.
>
> At the moment, I'm planning on sending the Hartzell back to Van's and start
> a debate over the 10% restocking fee. Am I over reacting? Is the
> difference in performance, weight, and quality worth the hassle?
>
> I plan on calling Van's in a bit after I cool off. Unfortunately, I also
> had a bad experience again with Fedex-Ground this morning. It's been on of
> those days. :x
>
> bob
>
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> Bob Leffler
> N410BL - FWF
> RV-10 #40684
> http://mykitlog.com/rleffler
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Rob Kochman
RV-10 "Finishing" Kit
Woodinville, WA (near Seattle)
http://kochman.net/N819K
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| Subject: | Re: FWF/Prop Gov |
jesse(at)saintaviation.co wrote:
> There are a lot of things that you can do with the FWF kit before hanging the
engine. It's worth a call to Van's to find out when the other parts will get
in. On the Governor, I haven't heard anything about the Hartzell, but it's worth
a call to get them to change it or to see if they have changed from the MT
to the Hartzell across the board for the RV-10.
>
>
I did talk with Dale at Van's. He mentioned that they are having sourcing issues
with the Lord mounts and apologized for just shipping three. They are getting
in twelve more tomorrow. Dale was responsive and shared probably more than
he should. I now know their stocking levels for the next few months on some
of the key fwf components.
I was wanting to get working on the cowls, but without the engine and governor
in place, that makes it difficult.
Dale just left me a voice mail stating that the Hartzell governor is a new design
that is only a year or so old. That may contribute to people making statements
about the longevity of the older models. He said to give Gus a call for
the details. I'll probably do that later today.
It will probably be mid-February before I get the baffles and exhaust. I guess
I just have to work on finishing up the electrical.
bob
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Bob Leffler
N410BL - FWF
RV-10 #40684
http://mykitlog.com/rleffler
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| Subject: | Re: FWF/Prop Gov |
rv10rob(at)gmail.com wrote:
> I don't have an opinion on the MT vs. Hartzell, but I'd be really surprised if
Van's charged you anything to take the governor back, given you couldn't have
been expected to know about the change.
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> -Rob
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Correct, Dale offered to pay for return shipping and swap out the governor. As
I just mentioned in the previous message to Jesse, it appears that this is a
new Hartzell governor, not the old one which had a poor reputation. Time for
a little more research.
bob
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Bob Leffler
N410BL - FWF
RV-10 #40684
http://mykitlog.com/rleffler
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| Subject: | plane power alternator update |
To their credit plane power sent a new alternator to replace the
original unit which in 2.7 years had accumulated 375 hours. I made a
ground run test today and the alternator generated 32A on startup at 850
RPM; buss voltage was 14.2V and 14.3V. It is possible that something was
wrong early in the process (2008) because I never felt the Odyssey
batteries ever received a full charge (I generally cruise 2250 RPM). I
mentally attributed that to the fact that they were located at the rear
of the aircraft through several contactors and 10 feet of wire. Toward
the latter stages I just used both 680s in parallel for starting,
although on the initial starts, a single 680 spun the IO540 quite
easily. In addition as the alternator in the last hundred hours or so,
it would take an RPM of 1200+ to get the voltage above 13.5V. Now I get
!4.2V or better at idle RPM while still supplying 32A to run the
avionics (14A) and recharge the batteries. It looks as though the
problem is fixed.
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I would do a couple things differently before bonding the door halves...
1) If using flush door handles, double bond the inner handle edges with both flox
and glass cloth.
2) Purchase handles, Sean- 90 degree cams, locks ... and pull straps. Then test
fit everything. I didn't do my pull straps and am now scratching my head about
where to put them and how the heck to get at it.
3) Don't add extra door reinforcement until everything get test fit.
Regards,
Jay
Piddling around with final door fit
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| Subject: | Re: FWF/Prop Gov |
IMO you need to do the baffles after you do the cowl. You will need to trim
the top of the baffle metal to the inside of the cowl and then do the baff
le seal.
You can determine whether you will use the spinner as a guide for your cowl
trimming or make a plywood template. The template will take some time. I a
m certain there are many things which can be done before you get the other
parts from Vans.
It sucks to keep changing gears and switching projects=2C seems like that i
s part of the overall build process....
I suspect you wouldn't be on the baffle in mid Feb even if you had all the
parts of the FWF. The cowl takes a lot of time to do correctly...IMO and ex
perience!
The exhaust can go in way towards the end of the build=2C has nothing to do
with the cowl.
JOhn G
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: FWF/Prop Gov
> From: rv@thelefflers.com
> Date: Thu=2C 27 Jan 2011 10:29:49 -0800
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
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>
>
> jesse(at)saintaviation.co wrote:
> > There are a lot of things that you can do with the FWF kit before hangi
ng the engine. It's worth a call to Van's to find out when the other parts
will get in. On the Governor=2C I haven't heard anything about the Hartzell
=2C but it's worth a call to get them to change it or to see if they have c
hanged from the MT to the Hartzell across the board for the RV-10.
> >
> >
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>
> I did talk with Dale at Van's. He mentioned that they are having sourcing
issues with the Lord mounts and apologized for just shipping three. They a
re getting in twelve more tomorrow. Dale was responsive and shared probably
more than he should. I now know their stocking levels for the next few mon
ths on some of the key fwf components.
>
> I was wanting to get working on the cowls=2C but without the engine and g
overnor in place=2C that makes it difficult.
>
> Dale just left me a voice mail stating that the Hartzell governor is a ne
w design that is only a year or so old. That may contribute to people makin
g statements about the longevity of the older models. He said to give Gus a
call for the details. I'll probably do that later today.
>
> It will probably be mid-February before I get the baffles and exhaust. I
guess I just have to work on finishing up the electrical.
>
> bob
>
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> Bob Leffler
> N410BL - FWF
> RV-10 #40684
> http://mykitlog.com/rleffler
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| Subject: | Re: ACK E-04 ELT |
January 26th 2011
Wow, I wondered when/if we would ever be able to say it....but we are
fully approved! Today we received the official certificate. We are doing
all of the final ordering this week, and we need to program the ELT's
with our certification numbers we just received. The ELT's should be
shipping by mid/late February. Thanks for your patience
On 26.01.2011 21:34, johngoodman wrote:
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| Subject: | Re: ACK E-04 ELT |
Thanks for the update Werner, I called the place I got
mine ordered to verify they still had the order, so
now I should be all set. I'm looking forward to it to
since my inspection time is coming up and I wanted
to swap it then.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
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On 1/27/2011 3:46 PM, Werner Schneider wrote:
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> January 26th 2011
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> Wow, I wondered when/if we would ever be able to say it....but we are
> fully approved! Today we received the official certificate. We are doing
> all of the final ordering this week, and we need to program the ELT's
> with our certification numbers we just received. The ELT's should be
> shipping by mid/late February. Thanks for your patience
>
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> On 26.01.2011 21:34, johngoodman wrote:
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>> I've been told to expect mine in March... for what it's worth.
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>> John
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| Subject: | Re: Baggage Door Removal |
Many thanks Robin, that has concreted my thoughts.=0A=0AI now have very lit
tle aluminium work left and have installed the cabin and now =0AI'm on to t
he doors.- I might install the landing gear and engine mount to lower =0A
the fuselage for easier access.=0A=0AThere is now a three month lead time o
n engine and instruments, bugger!=0A=0AMany thanks once again my friend, yo
ur input is invaluable.=0A=0AKind regards, Pat=0A=0APS: +47C here on Sunday
!=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Robin Marks <Robin
@PaintTheWeb.com>=0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Thu, 27 January, 20
11 12:11:04 PM=0ASubject: RE: RV10-List: Baggage Door Removal=0A=0A=0ASimpl
e solution to build as plans intend and still remove the door with no =0Aef
fort. Very common in the RV world.=0A-=0APhoto attached,=0ARobin=0A-=0A
From:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com =0A[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server
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:12 PM=0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: RE: RV10-List: Baggage Door
Removal=0A-=0AYes.- The piano hinge can be replaced with two C hinges
allowing easy removal of =0Athe door and ease of maintenance.- It provide
s a means to change the door from a =0Atwo dimensional shape to a three dim
ensional compound curve if you wanted to get =0Acrazy.- The "C" style hin
ge can also allow a greater range of hinged movement.=0A-=0AFor most, the
words "Just follow the plans and build it comes to mind".=0A-=0AI thing
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f its worth varying from the plans and modifying the =0Abaggage door to ena
ble removal with other than hinge pin extraction.=0A-=0AI would appreciat
e any feedback to determine if-this is warranted, or if the =0Asimple rem
oval of the hinge pin will suffice to enable removal of the door.=0A-=0AF
or those industrious inventors,'tinkerers' and 'builders of better mouse tr
aps' =0Aout there, who have modified their-baggage door installation to a
llow removal (a =0Ala nut plates or the like), with other than removal of t
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| Subject: | Re: NAV/COM/GS Antenna |
Thanks Guys,
I had thought of trimming some off the side or enlarging the fairing. I think I
may go with enlarging the fairing a little. The antenna is the CI-215 not a
CI-121 as I originally posted. Thanks to Kelly McMullen for pointing out that.
The photos from everyone all helped as well.
cheers
John MacCallum
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| Subject: | Re: ACK E-04 ELT |
Phewww, what a relief! I already had the hole cut in the panel for the ACK remote.
Really didn't want to go with another unit.
Lenny
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| Subject: | Re: ACK E-04 ELT |
Does anyone know if this gives full approval in Canada as well?
Thanks Ron
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| Subject: | Re: ACK E-04 ELT |
I think so...that's part of why the process is so long...it had to be
approved internationally. Actually, I think the U.S. might have been
the slow part of the approval and it was OK in some other countries
already...but don't quote me on that.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
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On 1/27/2011 8:09 PM, Ron B. wrote:
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> Does anyone know if this gives full approval in Canada as well?
> Thanks Ron
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| Subject: | Re: ACK E-04 ELT |
Ron,
they had the Canadian approval a long time, the one missing was the
COSPAS approval (service provider) see here for the Canadian one
<http://www.ackavionics.com/pdf/Canada%20TCCA%20approval%20letter.pdf>
Werner
On 28.01.2011 03:09, Ron B. wrote:
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> Does anyone know if this gives full approval in Canada as well?
> Thanks Ron
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