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Sun 01/30/11


Total Messages Posted: 22



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     1. 03:38 AM - Re: Section 46 - Engine Mount Question (Bob Leffler)
     2. 05:00 AM - Duckwork HID lights (ospreysammy)
     3. 05:17 AM - Re: Section 46 - Engine Mount Question (Kelly McMullen)
     4. 06:27 AM - defroster/defog (pilotdds)
     5. 06:44 AM - Re: defroster/defog (Rene)
     6. 07:09 AM - Re: defroster/defog (Tim Olson)
     7. 09:21 AM - Re: Duckwork HID lights (Robin Marks)
     8. 09:27 AM - Re: defroster/defog (Robin Marks)
     9. 09:46 AM - Re: Duckwork HID lights (Tim Olson)
    10. 09:51 AM - Re: defroster/defog (Tim Olson)
    11. 01:30 PM - Re: defroster/defog (pilotdds)
    12. 01:43 PM - Re: defroster/defog (davidsoutpost@comcast.net)
    13. 01:54 PM - Re: Section 46 - Engine Mount Question (Patrick Pulis)
    14. 01:54 PM - Re: Section 46 - Engine Mount Question (Patrick Pulis)
    15. 02:37 PM - Re: What it does look like if you collect your QB kit! (Michael Wellenzohn)
    16. 02:38 PM - Re: Section 46 - Engine Mount Question (Bob Leffler)
    17. 07:05 PM - Re: Duckwork HID lights (Rick Lark)
    18. 07:15 PM - Re: defroster/defog (Tim Olson)
    19. 07:24 PM - Re: Duckwork HID lights (Robin Marks)
    20. 08:41 PM - Re: defroster/defog (Robin Marks)
    21. 08:51 PM - Re: defroster/defog (davidsoutpost@comcast.net)
    22. 09:11 PM - Re: defroster/defog (Lenny Iszak)
 
 
 


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    Time: 03:38:35 AM PST US
    From: "Bob Leffler" <rv@thelefflers.com>
    Subject: Section 46 - Engine Mount Question
    Rev 1 12/5/08 is the version that I have, which I received with my finish kit this past spring. I think you are confusing two different steps. 46-2 talks about how to fasten the mount to the firewall and all the required hardware is included in the finish kit. I just performed this task a couple weeks ago and the instructions are correct. There does appear to be some "magic" to get all the holes to line up appropriately. There was a thread about a month ago, which I can't remember if it was here or on VAF, talking about this. My bottom holes didn't align perfectly, but the 3/16" hole was within the circumference of the 3/8" hole. Fortunately, the motor mount kept the bit from wandering using the 3/16" hole as the center. The parts you are referencing in the fwf kit are for attaching the engine to the mount. Two different tasks. These are used on page FF1-5. Here's a snipet: bob From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Pulis Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 1:11 AM Subject: RV10-List: Section 46 - Engine Mount Question Hi there guys, I'm at the point of installing my engine mount as per Section 46, page 46-2 (Drawing Revision 1) and I'd just like to clarify the hole sizes and installation hardware for the engine mount please. I have amended my drawings from Revision 0 to Revision 1, so i think that I have the correct installation drawings for Section 46? The instructions indicate to drill a 3/8" hole in the Firewall Assembly common to the WD-1001-D1 Dyna-1 Engine Mount, I did this. The drawing also makes reference to 6 x AN6-24 drilled bolts, which are used to attach the engine mount to the Firewall Assembly. In my firewall forward kit I have kit 'EA DYNA BOLT I(O)-540 Motor Mount Bolt Kit' which appears to correspond to the hardware required to attach the engine mount. This kit contains the following hardware: 4 x AN7-26 Drilled Bolt, 7/16" 4 x AN310-7 Nut, Castle, 7/16" 8 x AN960 -716 Washer 4 x MS24665 -283 Cotter Pin The above kit appears to be totally different from the hardware specified in the drawing, coupled with the fact that it is short 2 bolts, 2 nuts, 4 washers and 2 cotter pins and the diameter of the bolts are 7/16" instead of 3/8"? Have I missed a drawing revision guys? I'm hoping that you might be able to clarify this for me as I'm a little confused here. Kind regards Patrick Pulis RV-10 #40299 Adelaide, South Australia


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    Time: 05:00:59 AM PST US
    Subject: Duckwork HID lights
    From: "ospreysammy" <helosammy@gmail.com>
    I am currently at the point of finishing up the outboard leading edges and I plan on using the Duckworks HID landing light system. This has led me to two questions; first since they are so bright, is one in each wing needed or would one in the left only work? I am thinking only using one would reduce weight, complexity, electrical load but would add asymmetry. Second question is, do I need to wait to rivet the outboard rib until the light kit is done? I looked through Tim's outstanding writeup of his installation (thank you Tim) and it seems it may be easier to do the light kit with that outboard rib removable. Any insight from experience would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. -------- Sam Clark Builder # 40972 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=328966#328966


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    Time: 05:17:14 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Section 46 - Engine Mount Question
    From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com>
    The bolts you want are in the finish kit, I just got mine out yesterday...bag 1522 On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 11:11 PM, Patrick Pulis <rv10free2fly@yahoo.com.au> wrote: > Hi there guys, I'm at the point of installing my engine mount as per Section > 46, page 46-2 (Drawing Revision 1)and I'd just like to clarify the hole > sizes and installation hardware for the engine mount please.I have amended > my drawings from Revision 0 to Revision 1, so i think that I have the > correct installation drawings for Section 46? > > The instructions indicate to drill a 3/8" hole in the Firewall Assembly > common to the WD-1001-D1 Dyna-1 Engine Mount, I did this. The drawing also > makes referenceto 6 x AN6-24 drilled bolts, which are used to attach the > engine mount to the Firewall Assembly. > > In my firewall forward kit I have kit 'EA DYNA BOLT I(O)-540 Motor Mount > Bolt Kit'which appears to correspond to the hardware required to attach the > engine mount. This kit contains the following hardware: > > 4 x AN7-26 Drilled Bolt, 7/16" > 4 x AN310-7 Nut, Castle, 7/16" > 8 x AN960 -716 Washer > 4 x MS24665 -283 Cotter Pin > > The above kit appears to be totally different from the hardware specified in > the drawing, coupled with the fact that it is short 2 bolts, 2 nuts, 4 > washers and 2 cotter pins and the diameter of the boltsare 7/16" instead of > 3/8"? > > Have I missed a drawing revision guys? > > I'm hoping that you might be able to clarify this for me as I'm a little > confused here. > > Kind regards > > > Patrick Pulis > RV-10 #40299 > Adelaide, South Australia > >


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    Time: 06:27:53 AM PST US
    Subject: defroster/defog
    From: pilotdds <pilotdds@aol.com>
    Does anybody flying have a schematic or a description on how they created a defroster for the wind screen? -======================== -= - The RV10-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -========================


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    Time: 06:44:43 AM PST US
    From: "Rene" <rene@felker.com>
    Subject: defroster/defog
    I put two computer fans in the glare shield.live in Utah and have only had to use them once, about a week ago, worked great. They also help dissipate heat generated from the panel. Sorry, no pictures. Rene' 801-721-6080 From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pilotdds Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 7:16 AM Subject: RV10-List: defroster/defog Does anybody flying have a schematic or a description on how they created a defroster for the wind screen? get=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List p://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution


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    Time: 07:09:38 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: defroster/defog
    From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
    This is something that I'd recommend for ALL builders to do, on all RV10's f or heat dissipation reasons alone. It gets hot under there and your avionic s will probably last longer and perform better if you keep it cool. The other one is cutting the holes for the Duckworks lights. You don't have to even use lights, but for resale and construction reasons I would recomme nd that basically every builder cut the hole in each wing if they think ther e will EVER be a chance they sell the plane. Most buyers would be used to s eeing wing lights and they will want them, and cutting them later will wreck the paint. So just cut them initially and then decide later what to put in there. The wing is still the only location that doesn't come with some sor t of compromise. Tim On Jan 30, 2011, at 8:41 AM, "Rene" <rene@felker.com> wrote: > I put two computer fans in the glare shieldlive in Utah and have o nly had to use them once, about a week ago, worked great. > > > > They also help dissipate heat generated from the panel. > > > > Sorry, no pictures. > > > > Rene' > > 801-721-6080 > > > > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@ matronics.com] On Behalf Of pilotdds > Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 7:16 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: defroster/defog > > > > Does anybody flying have a schematic or a description on how they created a defroster for the wind screen? > > > > > > > > > > > > > get=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > p://forums.matronics.com > blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= >


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    Time: 09:21:32 AM PST US
    From: Robin Marks <robin@PaintTheWeb.com>
    Subject: Duckwork HID lights
    RV10-List: Duckwork HID lights Sam I am a big proponent of dual HID=92s and the Wig/Wag function. I have h ad sooooo many comments from tower controllers & commercial airlines on how visible my -10 is in wig/wag mode that I would not minimize my lighting situation. Furthermore I have each light set up at slightly different angle s so I get excellent coverage in most phases of landing/flair. As far as electrical load I have dual G900X screens, Back Up Dynon D100, dual 16 Watt Coms, plus the usual Transponder, Audio etc=85 and a lot of ot her odds & ends electronics and my 60A total never gets above something like 23 in flight including while running the HID=92s. Robin *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *ospreysammy *Sent:* Sunday, January 30, 2011 4:58 AM *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com *Subject:* RV10-List: Duckwork HID lights I am currently at the point of finishing up the outboard leading edges and I plan on using the Duckworks HID landing light system. This has led me to tw o questions; first since they are so bright, is one in each wing needed or would one in the left only work? I am thinking only using one would reduce weight, complexity, electrical load but would add asymmetry. Second questio n is, do I need to wait to rivet the outboard rib until the light kit is done ? I looked through Tim's outstanding writeup of his installation (thank you Tim) and it seems it may be easier to do the light kit with that outboard rib removable. Any insight from experience would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. -------- Sam Clark Builder # 40972 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=328966#328966 ------------------------------ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com


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    Time: 09:27:23 AM PST US
    From: Robin Marks <robin@PaintTheWeb.com>
    Subject: defroster/defog
    In deciding what fan to place there I think I searched NewEgg.com for various fan choices. I based my decision on Fan size and Fan CFM. I think I settled on dual =93Tornado=94 fans as they put out significantly more CFM t han the standard fans. The down side to the Tornado fans is that they are loude r than standard computer fans but not nearly as loud as the big fan mounted forward of the firewall so fan noise was not an concern to me. Robin *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Rene *Sent:* Sunday, January 30, 2011 6:42 AM *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: defroster/defog I put two computer fans in the glare shield=85live in Utah and have only ha d to use them once, about a week ago, worked great. They also help dissipate heat generated from the panel. Sorry, no pictures. Rene' 801-721-6080 *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *pilotdds *Sent:* Sunday, January 30, 2011 7:16 AM *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com *Subject:* RV10-List: defroster/defog Does anybody flying have a schematic or a description on how they created a defroster for the wind screen? get=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List p://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution * * * * * * *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List* * * *http://forums.matronics.com* * * *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* * * * * * * * * ===========* ===========* ===========* ===========* * * ------------------------------ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com


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    Time: 09:46:29 AM PST US
    From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
    Subject: Re: Duckwork HID lights
    Sam, I posted this reply as part of a different thread today when I was lazy and just had my iphone handy. "The other one is cutting the holes for the Duckworks lights. You don't have to even use lights, but for resale and construction reasons I would recommend that basically every builder cut the hole in each wing if they think there will EVER be a chance they sell the plane. Most buyers would be used to seeing wing lights and they will want them, and cutting them later will wreck the paint. So just cut them initially and then decide later what to put in there. The wing is still the only location that doesn't come with some sort of compromise." I'll expand a bit now that I'm at my regular PC. I would at LEAST cut the hole on the 2nd wing. Don't skip it and then find out after the fact that you aren't 100% happy. You can get OK lighting I'm sure with just 1, but 2 will give very good even lighting and even if you only put in 1 for the first couple years, I'd be prepared to put in a 2nd light. You'll be happier later. It's a real simple install to cut the hole, and no fiberglass involved. Regarding power draw, the total draw is something like 3A per HID for me after they start up. That's WAY less than normal landing lights. My old plane had a single 20A light....and you could go halogen for 10A. I can do 2 lights that are 3x as bright as the single halogen, and still be at 2/3 the power draw. You won't be disappointed in HIDs. There are some recent LED lights that are starting to approach HID's in intensity, however they are also starting to approach HID's for power draw as well, and they cost more. Over time, we may see LED's be a good option if the price decreases to the point where they are lower than HID's for the same brightness. With the holes cut, you could install even the mini lamps in the wings if you wanted. You may not get the performance, but at least the hole is cut. My total panel draw with everything on, including all lights, is under 40 or 42A. So no matter what you do, you're going to have it better off than many previous aircraft had it. Heck, I think my old Nav Lights had 7A bulbs in them...you won't be needing that. As for that outer rib, I don't know that it matters a lot if you rivet it or not. I think you could go either way. You're working in the outer bay of the wing, so nothing is too hard to get at. Tim On 1/30/2011 6:58 AM, ospreysammy wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "ospreysammy"<helosammy@gmail.com> > > I am currently at the point of finishing up the outboard leading > edges and I plan on using the Duckworks HID landing light system. > This has led me to two questions; first since they are so bright, is > one in each wing needed or would one in the left only work? I am > thinking only using one would reduce weight, complexity, electrical > load but would add asymmetry. Second question is, do I need to wait > to rivet the outboard rib until the light kit is done? I looked > through Tim's outstanding writeup of his installation (thank you Tim) > and it seems it may be easier to do the light kit with that outboard > rib removable. Any insight from experience would be appreciated. > Thanks in advance. > > -------- Sam Clark Builder # 40972 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=328966#328966 >


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    Time: 09:51:05 AM PST US
    From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
    Subject: Re: defroster/defog
    Yeah, you won't hear either fan, once the engine is running. :) I would get some that push some good CFM. My original attempt was using a small fan...maybe 1.5" square...it sucked. Then I went to some larger (maybe 60mm?) fans that do a pretty good job. I bought some that blow pretty good. If I were starting from scratch, I'd likely look at 80mm fans if they fit well. On very cold days, until I get off the ground and heat flowing good, I can still get some frost on the upper corners of the windshield near the visors. Would be nice to have just a bit more flow than what I have now, but at this point it's acceptable for me. I was shocked during my flyoff to look at my GRT EIS in the panel and see that it was reading something like 110F, and it was only 10-20F outside. With front heat coming out under the panel, you're really going to want heat exhaustion for the panel area YEAR ROUND. In the winter it'll do defrost as a bonus. No need for fancy defrost circuits added to your heater....just pump hot under-panel air up. Tim On 1/30/2011 11:23 AM, Robin Marks wrote: > In deciding what fan to place there I think I searched NewEgg.com for > various fan choices. I based my decision on Fan size and Fan CFM. I > think I settled on dual Tornado fans as they put out significantly > more CFM than the standard fans. The down side to the Tornado fans is > that they are louder than standard computer fans but not nearly as loud > as the big fan mounted forward of the firewall so fan noise was not an > concern to me. > > Robin > > *From:*owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>] *On Behalf Of *Rene > *Sent:* Sunday, January 30, 2011 6:42 AM > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com> > *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: defroster/defog > > I put two computer fans in the glare shieldlive in Utah and have only > had to use them once, about a week ago, worked great. > > They also help dissipate heat generated from the panel. > > Sorry, no pictures. > > Rene' > > 801-721-6080 > > *From:*owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>] *On Behalf Of *pilotdds > *Sent:* Sunday, January 30, 2011 7:16 AM > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com> > *Subject:* RV10-List: defroster/defog > > Does anybody flying have a schematic or a description on how they > created a defroster for the wind screen? > > > get=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > > p://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com> > > blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > * * > > * * > > * * > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List* > > * * > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > * * > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > * * > > * * > > * * > > * * > > *===========* > > RV10-List Email Forum - > > ** > > Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, > > *w.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV1* > > ====================== > > ** > > m">http://forums.matronics.com > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > ====================== > > * * > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com> > Version: 10.0.120 > > * > > > *


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    Time: 01:30:36 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: defroster/defog
    From: pilotdds <pilotdds@aol.com>
    thanks you guys,you saved me a bunch of complicated ducting-Jim -----Original Message----- From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> Sent: Sun, Jan 30, 2011 9:51 am Subject: Re: RV10-List: defroster/defog Yeah, you won't hear either fan, once the engine is running. :) would get some that push some good CFM. My original attempt as using a small fan...maybe 1.5" square...it sucked. Then I ent to some larger (maybe 60mm?) fans that do a pretty good ob. I bought some that blow pretty good. If I were starting rom scratch, I'd likely look at 80mm fans if they fit well. n very cold days, until I get off the ground and heat lowing good, I can still get some frost on the upper corners f the windshield near the visors. Would be nice to have ust a bit more flow than what I have now, but at this point t's acceptable for me. I was shocked during my flyoff to look at my GRT EIS in the anel and see that it was reading something like 110F, and t was only 10-20F outside. With front heat coming out nder the panel, you're really going to want heat exhaustion or the panel area YEAR ROUND. In the winter it'll do efrost as a bonus. No need for fancy defrost circuits dded to your heater....just pump hot under-panel air up. Tim n 1/30/2011 11:23 AM, Robin Marks wrote: In deciding what fan to place there I think I searched NewEgg.com for various fan choices. I based my decision on Fan size and Fan CFM. I think I settled on dual =9CTornado=9D fans as they put out sig nificantly more CFM than the standard fans. The down side to the Tornado fans is that they are louder than standard computer fans but not nearly as loud as the big fan mounted forward of the firewall so fan noise was not an concern to me. Robin *From:*owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>] *On Behalf Of *Rene *Sent:* Sunday, January 30, 2011 6:42 AM *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com> *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: defroster/defog I put two computer fans in the glare shieldlive in Utah and have only had to use them once, about a week ago, worked great. They also help dissipate heat generated from the panel. Sorry, no pictures. Rene' 801-721-6080 *From:*owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>] *On Behalf Of *pilotdds *Sent:* Sunday, January 30, 2011 7:16 AM *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com> *Subject:* RV10-List: defroster/defog Does anybody flying have a schematic or a description on how they created a defroster for the wind screen? get=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List p://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com> blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution * * * * * * *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List* * * *http://forums.matronics.com* * * *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* * * * * * * * * *===========* RV10-List Email Forum - ** Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, *w.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?R V1* ====================== ** m">http://forums.matronics.com *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* ====================== * * ------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com> Version: 10.0.120 * * -= - The RV10-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -========================


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    Time: 01:43:30 PM PST US
    From: davidsoutpost@comcast.net
    Subject: Re: defroster/defog


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    Time: 01:54:24 PM PST US
    From: Patrick Pulis <rv10free2fly@yahoo.com.au>
    Subject: Re: Section 46 - Engine Mount Question
    Thanks for clarifying my confusion guys, must be the heat (+44C).=0A=0A=0A =0AKind regards=0A=0APat=C2-=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A______________________________ __=0AFrom: Bob Leffler <rv@thelefflers.com>=0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Sun, 30 January, 2011 10:02:06 PM=0ASubject: RE: RV10-List: Sectio n 46 - Engine Mount Question=0A=0A=0ARev 1 12/5/08 is the version that I ha ve, which I received with my finish kit =0Athis past spring.=0A=C2-=0AI t hink you are confusing two different steps.=C2- =0A=C2-=0A46-2 talks ab out how to fasten the mount to the firewall and all the required =0Ahardwar e is included in the finish kit.=C2- I just performed this task a couple =0Aweeks ago and the instructions are correct.=C2- There does appear to b e some =0A=9Cmagic=9D to get all the holes to line up appropria tely.=C2- There was a thread about =0Aa month ago, which I can=99t remember if it was here or on VAF, talking about =0Athis.=C2- My bottom h oles didn=99t align perfectly, but the 3/16=9D hole was within the =0Acircumference of the 3/8=9D hole. Fortunately, the motor mount kept the bit from =0Awandering using the 3/16=9D hole as the center. =0A=C2-=0AThe parts you are referencing in the fwf kit are for attaching the engine to the =0Amount.=C2- Two different tasks.=C2- These are used on page FF1-5.=C2- Here=99s a snipet:=0A=C2-=0A=C2-=0Abob=0A =C2-=0AFrom:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com =0A[mailto:owner-rv10-li st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Pulis=0ASent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 1:11 AM=0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: RV10-List: Secti on 46 - Engine Mount Question=0A=C2-=0AHi there guys, I'm at the point of installing my engine mount as per Section 46, =0Apage 46-2 (Drawing Revisi on 1)=C2-and I'd just like to clarify the hole sizes and =0Ainstallation hardware for the engine mount please.=C2-=C2-I have amended my drawings =0Afrom Revision 0 to Revision 1, so i think that I have the correct insta llation =0Adrawings for Section 46?=0A=C2-=0A=C2-=0AThe instructions in dicate to drill a 3/8" hole in the Firewall Assembly common =0Ato the WD-10 01-D1 Dyna-1 Engine Mount, I did this.=C2- The drawing also makes =0Arefe rence=C2-to 6 x AN6-24 drilled bolts, which are used to attach the engine mount =0Ato the Firewall Assembly.=0A=C2-=0AIn my firewall forward kit I have kit 'EA DYNA BOLT I(O)-540 Motor Mount Bolt =0AKit'=C2-which appear s to correspond to the hardware required to attach the engine =0Amount.=C2 - This kit contains the following hardware:=0A=C2-=0A4 x AN7-26 Drilled Bolt, 7/16"=0A4 x AN310-7 Nut, Castle, 7/16"=0A8 x AN960 -716 Washer=0A4 x MS24665 -283 Cotter Pin=0A=C2-=0AThe above kit appears to be totally dif ferent from the hardware specified in the =0Adrawing, coupled with the fact that it is short 2 bolts, 2 nuts, 4 washers and 2 =0Acotter pins and the d iameter of the bolts=C2-are 7/16" instead of 3/8"?=0A=C2-=0AHave I miss ed a drawing revision guys?=0A=C2-=0AI'm hoping that you might be able to clarify this for me as I'm a little =0Aconfused here.=0A=C2-=0AKind rega rds=0A=C2-=0A=C2-=0A=C2-=0APatrick Pulis=0ARV-10 #40299=0AAdelaide, S outh Australia=0A=0A=C2-=0A=0A=C2- =0A =C2-=0A =C2-=0Ahttp://www.ma tronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com=0Ahttp://www. matronics.com/contribution=0A=0A=0A


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    Time: 01:54:50 PM PST US
    From: Patrick Pulis <rv10free2fly@yahoo.com.au>
    Subject: Re: Section 46 - Engine Mount Question
    Thanks Kelly.=0A=0AIs everyone drilling the 3/8" bolt holes in the firewall in one hit or step =0Adrilling them?=0A=0AIts a very large step from the o riginal hole to the 3/8" hole.- I'm stopping and =0Alubricating the drill bit as I go, but is slow going for each hole.=0A=0ARegards=0A=0APat=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Kelly McMullen <apilot2@g mail.com>=0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Sun, 30 January, 2011 11:44 :20 PM=0ASubject: Re: RV10-List: Section 46 - Engine Mount Question=0A=0A-- bolts you want are in the finish kit, I just got mine out=0Ayesterday...bag 1522=0A=0AOn Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 11:11 PM, Patrick Pulis=0A<rv10free2fly@ yahoo.com.au> wrote:=0A> Hi there guys, I'm at the point of installing my e ngine mount as per Section=0A> 46, page 46-2 (Drawing Revision 1)-and I'd just like to clarify the hole=0A> sizes and installation hardware for the engine mount please.--I have amended=0A> my drawings from Revision 0 to Revision 1, so i think that I have the=0A> correct installation drawings f or Section 46?=0A>=0A> The instructions indicate to drill a 3/8" hole in th e Firewall Assembly=0A> common to the WD-1001-D1 Dyna-1 Engine Mount, I did this.- The drawing also=0A> makes reference-to 6 x AN6-24 drilled bolt s, which are used to attach the=0A> engine mount to the Firewall Assembly. =0A>=0A> In my firewall forward kit I have kit 'EA DYNA BOLT I(O)-540 Motor Mount=0A> Bolt Kit'-which appears to correspond to the hardware required to attach the=0A> engine mount.- This kit contains the following hardwar e:=0A>=0A> 4 x AN7-26 Drilled Bolt, 7/16"=0A> 4 x AN310-7 Nut, Castle, 7/16 "=0A> 8 x AN960 -716 Washer=0A> 4 x MS24665 -283 Cotter Pin=0A>=0A> The abo ve kit appears to be totally different from the hardware specified in=0A> t he drawing, coupled with the fact that it is short 2 bolts, 2 nuts, 4=0A> w ashers and 2 cotter pins and the diameter of the bolts-are 7/16" instead of=0A> 3/8"?=0A>=0A> Have I missed a drawing revision guys?=0A>=0A> I'm hop ing that you might be able to clarify this for me as I'm a little=0A> confu sed here.=0A>=0A> Kind regards=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> Patrick Pulis=0A> RV-10 #402 -======================== ============0A=0A=0A


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    Time: 02:37:01 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: What it does look like if you collect your QB kit!
    From: "Michael Wellenzohn" <rv-10@wellenzohn.net>
    Hi Werner, I know exactly how you feel. Have fun doing the inventory and good to see you having a second XMas & birthday this year. Cheers Michael -------- RV-10 builder (interior,avionics, wiring) #511 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=329019#329019


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    Time: 02:38:05 PM PST US
    From: "Bob Leffler" <rv@thelefflers.com>
    Subject: Section 46 - Engine Mount Question
    Is everyone drilling the 3/8" bolt holes in the firewall in one hit or step drilling them? My bottom holes didn=99t align perfectly, but the 3/16=9D hole was within the circumference of the 3/8=9D hole. Fortunately, the motor mount kept the bit from wandering using the 3/16=9D hole as the center. You really need to drill these with the mount in place, so that eliminates the step drill option. Like I mentioned previously, the engine mount does a good job of keep the bit in place if the original 3/16=9D hole isn=99t quite centered. We have the opposite problem at the moment. We=99re experiencing a warm spell today of about 0 C :^) It=99s been 10-15 degrees colder the last couple weeks. bob


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    Time: 07:05:51 PM PST US
    From: Rick Lark <larkrv10@yahoo.ca>
    Subject: Re: Duckwork HID lights
    Sam, I've only bought and are about to install one-Duckworks light, for t he left wing.- Having said that I don't like night flying and avoid it wh en possible, so-I don't expect to use it a lot.- Also you can always- install another after the aircraft is flying if you plan accordingly.- I do know-one will be much brighter than the 2- lights in my Cessna Cardi nal. - Rick #40956 Southampton, Ont --- On Sun, 1/30/11, ospreysammy <helosammy@gmail.com> wrote: From: ospreysammy <helosammy@gmail.com> Subject: RV10-List: Duckwork HID lights Received: Sunday, January 30, 2011, 12:58 PM I am currently at the point of finishing up the outboard leading edges and I plan on using the Duckworks HID landing light system. This has led me to two questions; first since they are so bright, is one in each wing needed o r would one in the left only work? I am thinking only using one would reduc e weight, complexity, electrical load but would add asymmetry. Second quest ion is, do I need to wait to rivet the outboard rib until the light kit is done? I looked through Tim's outstanding writeup of his installation (thank you Tim) and it seems it may be easier to do the light kit with that outbo ard rib removable. Any insight from experience would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. -------- Sam Clark Builder # 40972 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=328966#328966 le, List Admin. =0A=0A


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    Time: 07:15:52 PM PST US
    From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
    Subject: Re: defroster/defog
    For those who couldn't view David's post, I've clipped out the text below so you can see it. Looks like a great way to go if you can find a good mounting for it. At $6, the price isn't bad at all. My advice is that when you do find a fan you like, buy a couple of spares for down the road. I paid $9 or so for mine, and I cracked one on install. So I used a spare right away. Once the bearings start to go....years down the road...it will be nice to just have a couple on hand to swap in so that all the holes line up. Not as critical for the square fans because they're pretty standard, but for a blower like this, you may want to not have to search for a match. Tim (See David's post below) On 1/30/2011 3:33 PM, davidsoutpost@comcast.net wrote: > > I just finished this area up last week. I used two of these http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?item=16-1358&catname=electric for the defrosters and one for avionics cooling. I figure there is no need to add heat to the defrosters as they will scavenge enough from the avionics and the tunnel. 23 cfm each and they blow pretty good and are quiet,,,not that that will matter when the engine is running and headsets are on. David Clifford RV-10 Builder N849RV (reserved)


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    Time: 07:24:20 PM PST US
    From: Robin Marks <robin@PaintTheWeb.com>
    Subject: Duckwork HID lights
    Again with my Wig/Wag HID=92s I get noticed 7 miles out on approach in the day time. Dual flashing HID=92s may be one of the best safety vs. cost items on your build. Seeing is avoiding. Robin *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Rick Lark *Sent:* Sunday, January 30, 2011 7:03 PM *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Duckwork HID lights Sam, I've only bought and are about to install one Duckworks light, for the left wing. Having said that I don't like night flying and avoid it when possible, so I don't expect to use it a lot. Also you can always install another after the aircraft is flying if you plan accordingly. I do know on e will be much brighter than the 2 lights in my Cessna Cardinal. Rick #40956 Southampton, Ont --- On *Sun, 1/30/11, ospreysammy <helosammy@gmail.com>* wrote: From: ospreysammy <helosammy@gmail.com> Subject: RV10-List: Duckwork HID lights Received: Sunday, January 30, 2011, 12:58 PM <helosammy@gmail.com<http://ca.mc1207.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=helosa mmy@gmail.com> > I am currently at the point of finishing up the outboard leading edges and I plan on using the Duckworks HID landing light system. This has led me to tw o questions; first since they are so bright, is one in each wing needed or would one in the left only work? I am thinking only using one would reduce weight, complexity, electrical load but would add asymmetry. Second questio n is, do I need to wait to rivet the outboard rib until the light kit is done ? I looked through Tim's outstanding writeup of his installation (thank you Tim) and it seems it may be easier to do the light kit with that outboard rib removable. Any insight from experience would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. -------- Sam Clark Builder # 40972 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=328966#328966 --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List great content also available via the Web nbsp; -Matt matronics.com/contribution" target=_blank> http://www.matronics.com/contri============== = * * * * ===========* ===========* ===========* ===========* * * ------------------------------ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com


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    Time: 08:41:04 PM PST US
    From: Robin Marks <robin@PaintTheWeb.com>
    Subject: defroster/defog
    Re: RV10-List: defroster/defog Those fans are 23 CFM max. That is not a significant amount of air. I think each of my 80 or 92 cm fans were above 100 CFM. Here=92s an 80 mm fan with 84 CFM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811999612&cm_re=c omputer_fan-_-11-999-612-_-Product Here is a 92 mm with 90 CFM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835213009&cm_re=c omputer_fan-_-35-213-009-_-Product Heck here is a 120 mm with 240 CFM. YIKES! http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835213001&cm_re=c omputer_fan-_-35-213-001-_-Product Disclaimer: Please do your own research as I have not read the product details in depth on any of these units. Robin Do Not Archive *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Tim Olson *Sent:* Sunday, January 30, 2011 7:13 PM *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: defroster/defog For those who couldn't view David's post, I've clipped out the text below so you can see it. Looks like a great way to go if you can find a good mounting for it. At $6, the price isn't bad at all. My advice is that when you do find a fan you like, buy a couple of spares for down the road. I paid $9 or so for mine, and I cracked one on install. So I used a spare right away. Once the bearings start to go....years down the road...it will be nice to just have a couple on hand to swap in so that all the holes line up. Not as critical for the square fans because they're pretty standard, but for a blower like this, you may want to not have to search for a match. Tim (See David's post below) On 1/30/2011 3:33 PM, davidsoutpost@comcast.net wrote: > > I just finished this area up last week. I used two of these http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?item=16-1358&catname=electric for the defrosters and one for avionics cooling. I figure there is no need to add heat to the defrosters as they will scavenge enough from the avionics and the tunnel. 23 cfm each and they blow pretty good and are quiet,,,not that that will matter when the engine is running and headsets are on. David Clifford RV-10 Builder N849RV (reserved) ------------------------------ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com


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    Time: 08:51:08 PM PST US
    From: davidsoutpost@comcast.net
    Subject: Re: defroster/defog
    They push plenty of air. To each his own. David Clifford RV-10 Builder Howell, MI ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Marks" <robin@PaintTheWeb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 11:37:24 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: defroster/defog Re: RV10-List: defroster/defog Those fans are 23 CFM max. That is not a significant amount of air. I think each of my 80 or 92 cm fans were above 100 CFM. Here=99s an 80 mm fan with 84 CFM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811999612&cm_re=c omputer_fan-_-11-999-612-_-Product Here is a 92 mm with 90 CFM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835213009&cm_re=c omputer_fan-_-35-213-009-_-Product Heck here is a 120 mm with 240 CFM. YIKES! http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835213001&cm_re=c omputer_fan-_-35-213-001-_-Product Disclaimer: Please do your own research as I have not read the product deta ils in depth on any of these units. Robin Do Not Archive From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: owner-rv10-list-server@ matronics.com ] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 7:13 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: defroster/defog For those who couldn't view David's post, I've clipped out the text below so you can see it. Looks like a great way to go if you can find a good mounting for it. At $6, the price isn't bad at all. My advice is that when you do find a fan you like, buy a couple of spares for down the road. I paid $9 or so for mine, and I cracked one on install. So I used a spare right away. Once the bearings start to go....years down the road...it will be nice to just have a couple on hand to swap in so that all the holes line up. Not as critical for the square fans because they're pretty standard, but for a blower like this, you may want to not have to search for a match. Tim (See David's post below) On 1/30/2011 3:33 PM, davidsoutpost@comcast.net wrote: > > I just finished this area up last week. I used two of these http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?item=16-1358&catname=electric for the defrosters and one for avionics cooling. I figure there is no need to add heat to the defrosters as they will scavenge enough from the avionics and the tunnel. 23 cfm each and they blow pretty good and are quiet,,,not that that will matter when the engine is running and headsets are on. David Clifford RV-10 Builder N849RV (reservedNavigator to browse ics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List ttp://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ======================== No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com ================ ==


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    Time: 09:11:59 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: defroster/defog
    From: "Lenny Iszak" <lenard@rapiddecision.com>
    Robin, One of them there needs its own alternator :) By the way, i have a certified avionics fan and it pushes half the CFMs at twice the amp draw of a computer fan... These things are amazing. Lenny [quote="robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com"]Those fans are 23 CFM max. That is not a significant amount of air. I think each of my 80 or 92 cm fans were above 100 CFM. Heres an 80 mm fan with 84 CFM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811999612&cm_re=computer_fan-_-11-999-612-_-Product (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811999612&cm_re=computer_fan-_-11-999-612-_-Product) Here is a 92 mm with 90 CFM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835213009&cm_re=computer_fan-_-35-213-009-_-Product (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835213009&cm_re=computer_fan-_-35-213-009-_-Product) Heck here is a 120 mm with 240 CFM. YIKES! http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835213001&cm_re=computer_fan-_-35-213-001-_-Product (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835213001&cm_re=computer_fan-_-35-213-001-_-Product) Disclaimer: Please do your own research as I have not read the product details in depth on any of these units. Robin Do Not Archive From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 7:13 PM Subject: Re: defroster/defog For those who couldn't view David's post, I've clipped out the text below so you can see it. Looks like a great way to go if you can find a good mounting for it. At $6, the price isn't bad at all. My advice is that when you do find a fan you like, buy a couple of spares for down the road. I paid $9 or so for mine, and I cracked one on install. So I used a spare right away. Once the bearings start to go....years down the road...it will be nice to just have a couple on hand to swap in so that all the holes line up. Not as critical for the square fans because they're pretty standard, but for a blower like this, you may want to not have to search for a match. Tim (See David's post below) On 1/30/2011 3:33 PM, davidsoutpost@comcast.net (davidsoutpost@comcast.net) wrote: > > > I just finished this area up last week. I used two of these > http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?item=16-1358&catname=electric (http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?item=16-1358&catname=electric) for the defrosters and one for avionics cooling. I figure there is no need to add heat to the defrosters as they will scavenge enough from the avionics and the tunnel. 23 cfm each and they blow pretty good and are quiet,,,not that that will matter when the engine is running and headsets are on. David Clifford RV-10 Builder N849RV (reservedNavigator to browse ics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List ttp://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ======================= No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com (http://www.avg.com) Version: 10.0.120 > [b] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=329051#329051




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