---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 03/03/11: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:56 AM - Re: Airworthiness Certificate (Seano) 2. 05:08 AM - Re: Airworthiness Certificate (David Leikam) 3. 05:34 AM - Beginning wiring (rvdave) 4. 06:27 AM - Re: Beginning wiring (Tim Olson) 5. 06:44 AM - Re: Beginning wiring (rv10flyer) 6. 06:50 AM - Re: Beginning wiring (DLM) 7. 07:45 AM - Re: Beginning wiring (Linn Walters) 8. 07:46 AM - Re: Beginning wiring (Linn Walters) 9. 09:59 AM - Re: Beginning wiring (Bill Watson) 10. 10:06 AM - Re: Beginning wiring (davidsoutpost@comcast.net) 11. 10:06 AM - Re: Airworthiness Certificate (Rob Kochman) 12. 10:54 AM - Re: Airworthiness Certificate (Jeff Carpenter) 13. 10:58 AM - Re: Beginning wiring (Bill Watson) 14. 11:40 AM - Re: Beginning wiring (William Greenley) 15. 12:59 PM - Re: Beginning wiring (Lenny Iszak) 16. 04:47 PM - iPad & ForeFlight (ehm6006) 17. 05:04 PM - Re: iPad & ForeFlight (Alan Mekler) 18. 05:40 PM - Re: iPad & ForeFlight (Robin Marks) 19. 07:46 PM - Re: iPad & ForeFlight (Jesse Saint) 20. 08:05 PM - Re: iPad & ForeFlight (Tim Olson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:56:01 AM PST US From: "Seano" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Airworthiness Certificate Congrats Dave! It is easy to appreciate the scale of this project after building one. Amazing how many of these being cranked out and the amount of labor in each one. OSH will have to secure a huge space for the RV-10 clan. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Leikam To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 8:44 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Airworthiness Certificate Make that two in one day. I got my blessing at about 7pm this evening. Just waiting for a calm day now. Congrads to you Sean and may you have an uneventful first flight. David Leikam RV10 N89DA On Mar 2, 2011, at 7:48 PM, Seano wrote: The whole build was frantic! It was sure nice having Scott's sweet plane next to me to reference. 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I started the quick build kit January of 2006. About 1260 hours into it so far. I still have to install the gear leg fairings and wheel pants and have it painted. David Leikam RV10 N89DA 40496 On Mar 2, 2011, at 11:39 PM, Rick Lark wrote: > Well done as well David. What's your build #? > > Rick > #40956 > (slow...slow.... build) > > --- On Thu, 3/3/11, David Leikam wrote: > > From: David Leikam > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Airworthiness Certificate > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Received: Thursday, March 3, 2011, 3:44 AM > > Make that two in one day. I got my blessing at about 7pm this evening. Just waiting for a calm day now. > Congrads to you Sean and may you have an uneventful first flight. > > David Leikam > RV10 > N89DA > > > > > > On Mar 2, 2011, at 7:48 PM, Seano wrote: > >> The whole build was frantic! >> It was sure nice having Scott's sweet plane next to me to reference. >> I can't imagine building one of the early ones without this huge support group >> >> Sent from my iPhone >>> >> >> >> 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D >> href="x-msg://534/3D%22http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List%22"> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >> 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D >> href="x-msg://534/3D%22http://forums.matronics.com%22">http://forums.mat ronics.com >> 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D >> href="x-msg://534/3D%22http://www.matronics.com/contribution%22">http:// www.matronics.com/contribution >> 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D >> > > > > =nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com > llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:34:12 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Beginning wiring From: "rvdave" I'm just starting to run conduit for fuselage, wondering how many 7/8 sections are necessary for tailcone area. I currently have 3. The ones I'm planning for are: 1) Static tubing? 2) Battery positive 3) Battery negative? 4) Rear Light 5) AHARS 6) Pitch servo 7) Elevator Trim servo 8 O/H console air controller 9) O/H console lighting? Is there something else I should be planning for? -------- Dave Ford RV6 flying RV10 building Cadillac, MI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=332612#332612 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:27:55 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Beginning wiring I actually wouldn't use any conduit in the tailcone itself, and wouldn't use any conduit in the sidewalls by the pilot/co-pilot seats. The only place I'd use conduit from the area on the side where the rear passengers feet are, to where it exits into the tailcone. Your best bet on the wiring/conduit sizing for that job then is to cut a few 6" pieces of wire for everything that you plan to run into the tail, and just bundle it up and see what sizes of conduit you need....but probably buy at least 150-200% more space than you need, because you'll surely forget some small wires or want to add them later. I have 2 conduits of 1.05" each, and they're pretty darn full. Oh, and to add to your list: 10) ELT control wire 11) ELT GPS wire perhaps 12) Nav Antenna coax 13) GPS antenna coax 13) Power/Serial wires for APRS perhaps 14) TCAS/ADS-B system wiring and possibly antenna coax and the list goes on and on. What you install now, will probably not be the end of what you eventually have. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD do not archive On 3/3/2011 7:31 AM, rvdave wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "rvdave" > > I'm just starting to run conduit for fuselage, wondering how many 7/8 sections are necessary for tailcone area. I currently have 3. The ones I'm planning for are: > > 1) Static tubing? > 2) Battery positive > 3) Battery negative? > 4) Rear Light > 5) AHARS > 6) Pitch servo > 7) Elevator Trim servo > 8 O/H console air controller > 9) O/H console lighting? > > Is there something else I should be planning for? > > -------- > Dave Ford > RV6 flying > RV10 building > Cadillac, MI > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=332612#332612 > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:44:16 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Beginning wiring From: "rv10flyer" On Mine: LH side: #2 ga power to front, 14ga power to strobe power supply, 2 ea 16-3/S strobe cables to wings, 18 ga tail pos light, pitot tubing to grt ahrs. RH side/Bundle #1(only one in conduit): Elt phone cable, dynon magnetometer 4-22/S, GRT ahrs/magnetometer harness, spare 18-3S, 10ga aux bat e-bus feed, 16 ga aux bat hot feed to front, crossfeed contactor and e-bus relay 22 ga grounds. RH side/Bundle #2: VOR RG-400, static tubing to front, 2 ea spare 18-3/S(for ads-b down the road or anything else in the tail), pitch ap servo harness, pitch trim 5-26/S cable. I only ran one conduit, the other two assemblies I did before covering the area. I only use conduit for wiring that I did not have or know about at the time. Everything that I could think of at the time got ran inside bushings, rubber grommets, ms clamps. I just like have my wires tight and not flopping around loose inside the conduit. Same for the wings. I run wires for hvac inside conduit on fixed equipment. Over time vibrations in the plane may or may not be good for the insulation. Conduit holds the heat in the bundle longer. I did not see the point in using high dollar tefzel wiring then enclose it in highly flammable plastic. I am sure there is a MS type conduit, but I doubt Van's supplies that. So if going with conduit and running a ground up front 3 should be fine unless your installing spares like I did then you may need 4. Been working on cabin cover then alternating with some wiring while epoxy cures. About ready to paint the interior, install some led lights/rg-400 to top com and install it in a few days. Doors after that...oh boy. -------- Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08 Bldr# 40983 SB Started 12/1/09. Fuselage Sec 43 Cabin Cover Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=332623#332623 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:50:41 AM PST US From: "DLM" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Beginning wiring ground to frame? saves weight,cost and space ----- Original Message ----- From: "rvdave" Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 6:31 AM Subject: RV10-List: Beginning wiring > > I'm just starting to run conduit for fuselage, wondering how many 7/8 > sections are necessary for tailcone area. I currently have 3. The ones > I'm planning for are: > > 1) Static tubing? > 2) Battery positive > 3) Battery negative? > 4) Rear Light > 5) AHARS > 6) Pitch servo > 7) Elevator Trim servo > 8 O/H console air controller > 9) O/H console lighting? > > Is there something else I should be planning for? > > -------- > Dave Ford > RV6 flying > RV10 building > Cadillac, MI > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=332612#332612 > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:45:42 AM PST US From: Linn Walters Subject: Re: RV10-List: Beginning wiring On a new aircraft, grounding to the frame works just fine. However, in the presence of an electrolyte ..... I live near the coast of FL .... salty air ..... I believe that current flow will hasten corrosion in the structure causing 'gremlin' problems down the road. I'm installing the ground cable up to the firewall and to a ground block. All my smaller wire ground returns will connect to that ground block. I'll probably not live long enough for problems to occur in my -10, but it's possible. Linn On 3/3/2011 9:30 AM, DLM wrote: > > ground to frame? saves weight,cost and space > ----- Original Message ----- From: "rvdave" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 6:31 AM > Subject: RV10-List: Beginning wiring > > >> >> I'm just starting to run conduit for fuselage, wondering how many 7/8 >> sections are necessary for tailcone area. I currently have 3. The >> ones I'm planning for are: >> >> 1) Static tubing? >> 2) Battery positive >> 3) Battery negative? >> 4) Rear Light >> 5) AHARS >> 6) Pitch servo >> 7) Elevator Trim servo >> 8 O/H console air controller >> 9) O/H console lighting? >> >> Is there something else I should be planning for? >> >> -------- >> Dave Ford >> RV6 flying >> RV10 building >> Cadillac, MI >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=332612#332612 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:46:36 AM PST US From: Linn Walters Subject: Re: RV10-List: Beginning wiring On a new aircraft, grounding to the frame works just fine. However, in the presence of an electrolyte ..... I live near the coast of FL .... salty air ..... I believe that current flow will hasten corrosion in the structure causing 'gremlin' problems down the road. I'm installing the ground cable up to the firewall and to a ground block. All my smaller wire ground returns will connect to that ground block. I'll probably not live long enough for problems to occur in my -10, but it's possible. Linn On 3/3/2011 9:30 AM, DLM wrote: > > ground to frame? saves weight,cost and space > ----- Original Message ----- From: "rvdave" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 6:31 AM > Subject: RV10-List: Beginning wiring > > >> >> I'm just starting to run conduit for fuselage, wondering how many 7/8 >> sections are necessary for tailcone area. I currently have 3. The >> ones I'm planning for are: >> >> 1) Static tubing? >> 2) Battery positive >> 3) Battery negative? >> 4) Rear Light >> 5) AHARS >> 6) Pitch servo >> 7) Elevator Trim servo >> 8 O/H console air controller >> 9) O/H console lighting? >> >> Is there something else I should be planning for? >> >> -------- >> Dave Ford >> RV6 flying >> RV10 building >> Cadillac, MI >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=332612#332612 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:59:45 AM PST US From: Bill Watson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Beginning wiring Like others, I took the approach of running everything I could plan using clamps, grommets, etc. Then I have 2 runs of conduit, just under the rear floor section that Tim described, for the 'unplanned' stuff. The planned stuff is mainly big wire electrical system stuff. The unplanned is more avionics and small circuts. Stactic lines I ran on the rh side wall. I'd suggest getting the documentation for Van's electrical kit. It has details for running a lot of electrical system wires including clamp/grommet hardware for running stuff from back to front. (There's good stuff for FWF wiring too). I wouldn't suggest the kit itself, just the doc. Then just add some empty conduit for other stuff. Added a pic of battery compartment to show some of big wire electrical system stuff at the bottom, and a conduit run in the middle of the pic. You can also see my battery to frame ground setup. Bill "praying for higher painting temps" Watson On 3/3/2011 8:31 AM, rvdave wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "rvdave" > > I'm just starting to run conduit for fuselage, wondering how many 7/8 sections are necessary for tailcone area. I currently have 3. The ones I'm planning for are: > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:06:14 AM PST US From: davidsoutpost@comcast.net Subject: Re: RV10-List: Beginning wiring This is what I did also,,,,,ground cable and terminal block at the firewall .. FWIW, I ran two 1" and one 3/4" conduit (the flexible kind from Home Dep ot) snaked through the baggage rib lightening holes, edges protected with e dge grommet, on each side (total of 6). They come up through the rear seat pans between the side covers and side fuselage skins. My SafeAir static/pit ot lines are on the co-pilot side and run through snap bushings installed i n the bulkheads. I am using heavy #1 marine cable, positive and negative, e ach in its own conduit. Two more of the conduits are used for two antenna c oax cables, and several bundles of other wires for elevator trim, rudder tr im, strobe cables and power supply, rudder position light, elevator AP serv o,,,,etc. Bottom line is I have two leftover 1"conduits for future wire run s I haven't thought of, or might need down the line. Run them now before yo u rivet the floor and seat pans down. You will not be sorry if you have one or two unused conduits but will be if you find out later you need one but did not put one in while you could. David Clifford RV-10 Builder Howell, MI ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linn Walters" Sent: Thursday, March 3, 2011 10:15:04 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Beginning wiring On a new aircraft, grounding to the frame works just fine. However, in the presence of an electrolyte ..... I live near the coast of FL .... salty air ..... I believe that current flow will hasten corrosion in the structure causing 'gremlin' problems down the road. I'm installing the ground cable up to the firewall and to a ground block. All my smaller wire ground returns will connect to that ground block. I'll probably not live long enough for problems to occur in my -10, but it's possible. Linn On 3/3/2011 9:30 AM, DLM wrote: > > ground to frame? saves weight,cost and space > ----- Original Message ----- From: "rvdave" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 6:31 AM > Subject: RV10-List: Beginning wiring > > >> >> I'm just starting to run conduit for fuselage, wondering how many 7/8 >> sections are necessary for tailcone area. I currently have 3. The >> ones I'm planning for are: >> >> 1) Static tubing? >> 2) Battery positive >> 3) Battery negative? >> 4) Rear Light >> 5) AHARS >> 6) Pitch servo >> 7) Elevator Trim servo >> 8 O/H console air controller >> 9) O/H console lighting? >> >> Is there something else I should be planning for? >> >> -------- >> Dave Ford >> RV6 flying >> RV10 building >> Cadillac, MI >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=332612#332612 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:06:29 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Airworthiness Certificate From: Rob Kochman Seems like the completion rate is accellerating. I got my AW cert a week and a half ago, but the weather here has been hideous, so no flight yet. It's sitting in the hangar ready to pull out and fly, driving me nuts. -Rob #40566, 3.5 years of building (QB wings and fuse) On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 7:44 PM, David Leikam wrote: > Make that two in one day. I got my blessing at about 7pm this evening. > Just waiting for a calm day now. > Congrads to you Sean and may you have an uneventful first flight. > > David Leikam > RV10 > N89DA > > > On Mar 2, 2011, at 7:48 PM, Seano wrote: > > The whole build was frantic! > It was sure nice having Scott's sweet plane next to me to reference. > I can't imagine building one of the early ones without this huge support > group > > Sent from my iPhone > > ** > > * > > > 3D======================================= > 3D==== > href="x-msg://534/3D%22http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List%22">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > > 3D======================================= > 3D==== > href="x-msg://534/3D%22http://forums.matronics.com%22">http://forums.matronics.com > > 3D======================================= > 3D==== > href="x-msg://534/3D%22http://www.matronics.com/contribution%22">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > 3D============================================ > > * > > > * > > > = > * > > -- Rob Kochman RV-10 "Finishing" Kit Woodinville, WA (near Seattle) http://kochman.net/N819K ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:54:17 AM PST US From: Jeff Carpenter Subject: Re: RV10-List: Airworthiness Certificate Congrats David! On Mar 3, 2011, at 5:06 AM, David Leikam wrote: > 40496. I started the quick build kit January of 2006. About 1260 > hours into it so far. I still have to install the gear leg fairings > and wheel pants and have it painted. > > David Leikam > RV10 > N89DA > 40496 > > > On Mar 2, 2011, at 11:39 PM, Rick Lark wrote: > >> Well done as well David. What's your build #? >> >> Rick >> #40956 >> (slow...slow.... build) >> >> --- On Thu, 3/3/11, David Leikam wrote: >> >> From: David Leikam >> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Airworthiness Certificate >> To: rv10-list@matronics.com >> Received: Thursday, March 3, 2011, 3:44 AM >> >> Make that two in one day. I got my blessing at about 7pm this >> evening. 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The planned stuff is mainly big wire electrical system stuff. > The unplanned is more avionics and small circuts. Stactic lines I ran > on the rh side wall. > > I'd suggest getting the documentation for Van's electrical kit. It > has details for running a lot of electrical system wires including > clamp/grommet hardware for running stuff from back to front. (There's > good stuff for FWF wiring too). I wouldn't suggest the kit itself, > just the doc. Wanted to add that you can use the doc and a parts list to identify any small brackets or stuff that you may want to order a la carte. Worked well for me. > > Then just add some empty conduit for other stuff. > > Added a pic of battery compartment to show some of big wire electrical > system stuff at the bottom, and a conduit run in the middle of the > pic. You can also see my battery to frame ground setup. > > Bill "praying for higher painting temps" Watson > > > On 3/3/2011 8:31 AM, rvdave wrote: >> --> RV10-List message posted by: "rvdave" >> >> I'm just starting to run conduit for fuselage, wondering how many 7/8 >> sections are necessary for tailcone area. I currently have 3. The >> ones I'm planning for are: >> > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:40:03 AM PST US From: "William Greenley" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Beginning wiring Where can you get the vans's electrical kit documentation? Will they give it to you? From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Watson Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 1:55 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Beginning wiring On 3/3/2011 12:30 PM, Bill Watson wrote: > Like others, I took the approach of running everything I could plan > using clamps, grommets, etc. Then I have 2 runs of conduit, just > under the rear floor section that Tim described, for the 'unplanned' > stuff. The planned stuff is mainly big wire electrical system stuff. > The unplanned is more avionics and small circuts. Stactic lines I ran > on the rh side wall. > > I'd suggest getting the documentation for Van's electrical kit. It > has details for running a lot of electrical system wires including > clamp/grommet hardware for running stuff from back to front. (There's > good stuff for FWF wiring too). I wouldn't suggest the kit itself, > just the doc. Wanted to add that you can use the doc and a parts list to identify any small brackets or stuff that you may want to order a la carte. Worked well for me. > > Then just add some empty conduit for other stuff. > > Added a pic of battery compartment to show some of big wire electrical > system stuff at the bottom, and a conduit run in the middle of the > pic. You can also see my battery to frame ground setup. > > Bill "praying for higher painting temps" Watson > > > On 3/3/2011 8:31 AM, rvdave wrote: >> --> RV10-List message posted by: "rvdave" >> >> I'm just starting to run conduit for fuselage, wondering how many 7/8 >> sections are necessary for tailcone area. I currently have 3. The >> ones I'm planning for are: >> > _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:59:01 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Beginning wiring From: "Lenny Iszak" Search for DOC ES HARNESS-10 540 at Van's web store. It costs 10 bucks. Lenny [quote="wgreenley"]Where can you get the vanss electrical kit documentation? Will they give it to you? From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Watson Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 1:55 PM To: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Beginning wiring On 3/3/2011 12:30 PM, Bill Watson wrote: > Like others, I took the approach of running everything I could plan > using clamps, grommets, etc. Then I have 2 runs of conduit, just > under the rear floor section that Tim described, for the 'unplanned' > stuff. The planned stuff is mainly big wire electrical system stuff. > The unplanned is more avionics and small circuts. Stactic lines I ran > on the rh side wall. > > I'd suggest getting the documentation for Van's electrical kit. It > has details for running a lot of electrical system wires including > clamp/grommet hardware for running stuff from back to front. (There's > good stuff for FWF wiring too). I wouldn't suggest the kit itself, > just the doc. Wanted to add that you can use the doc and a parts list to identify any small brackets or stuff that you may want to order a la carte. Worked well for me. > > Then just add some empty conduit for other stuff. > > Added a pic of battery compartment to show some of big wire electrical > system stuff at the bottom, and a conduit run in the middle of the > pic. You can also see my battery to frame ground setup. > > Bill "praying for higher painting temps" Watson > > > On 3/3/2011 8:31 AM, rvdave wrote: >> --> RV10-List message posted by: "rvdave" >> >> I'm just starting to run conduit for fuselage, wondering how many 7/8 >> sections are necessary for tailcone area. I currently have 3. The >> ones I'm planning for are: >> > ========== RV10-List Email Forum - href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List ========== bsp; - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ========== bsp; - List Contribution Web Site - bsp; -Matt Dralle, List Admin. href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com (http://www.avg.com) 03/03/11 > [b] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=332675#332675 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:47:12 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: iPad & ForeFlight From: "ehm6006" Does the iPad wifi only unit (not cellular unit) work with ForeFlight? Without a cell connection? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=332696#332696 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:04:42 PM PST US From: "Alan Mekler" Subject: RE: RV10-List: iPad & ForeFlight Yes but you need an external GPS ( GNS5870 or Bad Elf)to see your position on the maps. I have the Bluetooth GNS5870 and it works great with the IPAD. Alan -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ehm6006 Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 7:43 PM Subject: RV10-List: iPad & ForeFlight Does the iPad wifi only unit (not cellular unit) work with ForeFlight? Without a cell connection? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=332696#332696 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 05:40:06 PM PST US From: Robin Marks Subject: RE: RV10-List: iPad & ForeFlight RE: RV10-List: iPad & ForeFlight I have the Bad Elf and so far it has been flawless. Only down side is size. It is so small I am afraid I will lose it at some point. Robin Do Not Archive *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Alan Mekler *Sent:* Thursday, March 03, 2011 5:01 PM *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: iPad & ForeFlight Yes but you need an external GPS ( GNS5870 or Bad Elf)to see your position on the maps. I have the Bluetooth GNS5870 and it works great with the IPAD. Alan -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ehm6006 Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 7:43 PM Subject: RV10-List: iPad & ForeFlight Does the iPad wifi only unit (not cellular unit) work with ForeFlight? Without a cell connection? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=332696#332696 ------------------------------ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:46:45 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: iPad & ForeFlight From: Jesse Saint You need Internet to file a flight plan & an external gps for position, but if you download the charts & plates via wifi, they are available in the air. I have the holux bt gps, but you have to be jailbroken to use it. It is cheap at only $35, and works extremely well. Much better than internal gps in iPhone, IMHO. Jesse Saint I-TEC, Inc. jesse@itecusa.org www.itecusa.org www.mavericklsa.com C: 352-427-0285 O: 352-465-4545 F: 815-377-3694 Sent from my iPhone On Mar 3, 2011, at 7:43 PM, "ehm6006" wrote: > > Does the iPad wifi only unit (not cellular unit) work with ForeFlight? Without a cell connection? > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=332696#332696 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 08:05:32 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: iPad & ForeFlight I have the same holux GPS on a jailbroken iPad...good way to go. The GPS is set up to be plane-powered, so it's always ready to go. If you're thinking of jailbreaking your iphone/ipad, right now is a good time to do it. You can upgrade the iOS to 4.2.1, and use http://greenpois0n.com to jailbreak it in a couple of minutes. Just remember not to upgrade to 4.3 that will be coming out shortly, until the new jailbreak for 4.3 is released...usually a day or two, but could be a couple weeks. FYI: I dropped my AT&T iPhone (man is that a relief!), and have a couple of Verizon iPhones now. The reception is spectacular, and whereas I used to drop calls a few times a day, I haven't dropped one yet since I got the new phone the first day it shipped. I do use a rubber case on the phone, and I understand that with either provider, reception can be an issue with no case. The GPS on the Verizon phone seems to lock a bit quicker than the AT&T phone did too....which is good, because the ROQY-BT bluetooth stack that lets me use the Holux GPS doesn't yet work with the Verizon phone...I heard they used a different GPS chipset in the Verizon phone...probably why it acts differently. I'll check it out on my next trip in a month... I've also upgraded to Foreflight HD Pro, so I can try the georeferenced plates and taxi diagrams. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD do not archive On 3/3/2011 9:40 PM, Jesse Saint wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: Jesse Saint > > You need Internet to file a flight plan& an external gps for position, but if you download the charts& plates via wifi, they are available in the air. > > I have the holux bt gps, but you have to be jailbroken to use it. It is cheap at only $35, and works extremely well. Much better than internal gps in iPhone, IMHO. > > Jesse Saint > I-TEC, Inc. > jesse@itecusa.org > www.itecusa.org > www.mavericklsa.com > C: 352-427-0285 > O: 352-465-4545 > F: 815-377-3694 > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 3, 2011, at 7:43 PM, "ehm6006" wrote: > >> --> RV10-List message posted by: "ehm6006" >> >> Does the iPad wifi only unit (not cellular unit) work with ForeFlight? Without a cell connection? >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=332696#332696 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.