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1. 04:01 AM - Re: Re: seat rails and AN509 8R10 screws (Byron&Donya)
2. 04:07 AM - Re: Another first flight (Byron&Donya)
3. 04:22 AM - Re: Another first flight (Phillip Perry)
4. 05:09 AM - Re: Re: seat rails and AN509 8R10 screws (Tim Olson)
5. 05:09 AM - Re: Another first flight (Tim Olson)
6. 05:25 AM - Speaking of seat rails (Wayne Edgerton)
7. 05:46 AM - Re: Speaking of seat rails (Don McDonald)
8. 05:58 AM - Re: seat rails and AN509 8R10 screws (bill.peyton)
9. 06:01 AM - Re: Speaking of seat rails (Dick & Vicki Sipp)
10. 06:35 AM - Re: Speaking of seat rails (Tim Olson)
11. 07:26 AM - Re: Speaking of seat rails (Rene)
12. 08:12 AM - Re: Re: seat rails and AN509 8R10 screws (John Gonzalez)
13. 09:04 AM - Re: Speaking of seat rails (Tim Olson)
14. 09:22 AM - Re: Re: seat rails and AN509 8R10 screws (DLM)
15. 09:53 AM - Re: Re: seat rails and AN509 8R10 screws (g.combs)
16. 01:18 PM - Re: Re: seat rails and AN509 8R10 screws (John Gonzalez)
17. 03:13 PM - Re: Re: seat rails and AN509 8R10 screws (Robin Marks)
18. 03:20 PM - Re: Another first flight (Bill Watson)
19. 03:31 PM - FS: RV-10 Empennage $2400 (drthomasd)
20. 04:36 PM - Re: Re: seat rails and AN509 8R10 screws (Tim Olson)
21. 06:11 PM - Re: seat rails and AN509 8R10 screws (bill.peyton)
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| Subject: | Re: seat rails and AN509 8R10 screws |
Hi John:
I order everything from Aircraft Spruce.. Don't really have a conversion
chart but most everything has dual designations there. Type in AN509 and the
listing comes up for MS24694. From there you can see the second column
contains the older AN509 dash number. The -8R10 looks to be MS24694-S7.
Hope that helps out some.
Byron
N253RV Phase one
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 1:16 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: seat rails and AN509 8R10 screws
Yes guys I have been doing this orderring of all different bolts and
screw....but, and as is the case these are 8R10s, I have 8R7s.
My finishing kit did not contain these screws.
I'll place another order and wait a few days. It not like I am doing
anything you all haven't already done.
What I find difficult to do it order through Spruce because they use a
different system of numbering. Anyone have a conversion chart?
Thanks
JOhn
> Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 20:07:34 -0600
> From: Tim@myrv10.com
> To: RV10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: seat rails and AN509 8R10 screws
>
>
> Yes, you should just order 100 packs of many standard size screws,
> all the common ones, and all of the ones you need for
> commonly removed items. I ordered maybe 10 lengths of
> each size screw, 4-40, 6's, 8's, 10's....so that's a lot
> of screws but in 100 packs its not a big deal. You'll want
> them long term for maintenance anyway.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
> do not archive
>
>
> On 3/5/2011 7:48 PM, Pascal wrote:
> >
> > For what it's worth, I have no idea what I got and what Vans gave me,
> > but I am one of those that ordered all sorts of items from Spruce so I
> > always have extra's on hand for those times I need a hot swap for a
> > stripped hardware item or more commonly, misplaced items.
> > Pascal
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message----- From: Lew Gallagher
> > Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 4:42 PM
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RV10-List: Re: seat rails and AN509 8R10 screws
> >
> >
> > Hey John,
> >
> > It's been too long for me to remember exactly, but it seems there IS
> > something about the seat rail screws -- some countersunk, some not? not
> > all the holes in the rails are used? Others that are at that stage or
> > have the plans handy, chime in here. Or lay the seat rails out where
> > they fit and check it out.
> >
> > Later, - Lew
> >
> > --------
> > non-pilot
> > crazy about building
> > NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
> > Fly off completed !
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=332862#332862
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Another first flight |
Way to go Rob!
I know you are both proud. Getting the wife involved is the best option
(providing she wants). My wife became pretty good at shooting rivets while I
got in the difficult areas to buck. She seemed to really enjoy being part of
the project.
Congrats!
Byron
N253RV Phase 1
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Kochman
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 12:59 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Another first flight
Hi, all... after three years, six months, and one week, our RV-10 finally
had its first flight on Saturday! Rob took off from runway 34L at Paine
Field, climbed to 3000 feet, circled the airport for 15 minutes, then landed
uneventfully. Despite some nerves, the flight was a success. Only 39.75
more hours to go until the test period is complete and Kelly can ride, too!
Our RV-10 is powered by an Aero Sport Power IO-540-D4A5 (260 hp), Silver
Hawk EX FI system, with a slick mag on bottom and Light Speed Plasma III on
top. The instrument panel has a Dynon D100 EFIS, Dynon D120 EMS, Garmin GNS
430 GPS, and panel-mounted Garmin GPSMAP 696. Interior by Flightline
Interiors. Our tail number is 819K: 8/19 is our wedding anniversary, and K
is for "Kelly" (according to her).
Short video of today's flight: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60XPTEVzhYs
-Rob and Kelly
http://kochman.net/N819K/
P.S. (from Rob) The airplane was definitely my passion, but there's no way I
could have done it without Kelly. She put up with more than I could ever
ask for and kept me sane during the low points of the building, but she also
took it a step further. These pictures really show it was a team effort.
http://kochman.net/KellyAirplane/
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| Subject: | Re: Another first flight |
Oh that's awesome! The commentary was the best part of the whole show.
Congrats on a the first flight and excited wife.
Phil
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| Subject: | Re: seat rails and AN509 8R10 screws |
But that's what I mean....I ordered like 8R7's, 8R8's, 8R9's, 8R10's, 8R...
If you prepare and order some additional sizes above and below, you'll be r
eady. I found many places where a slightly longer screw was nicer, or where
I had some reason to switch. And for some locations I used stainless screw
s instead of the Cad plated, depending on what it was for.
You'll want to probably replace ALL of the wingtip and fairing screws with s
tainless, and leave them unpainted if you don't like chipped paint screws.
Do the same with AN bolts, especially 3's and 4's....get some additional siz
es. For general hardware, I found it better to just empty the Vans baggies i
nto parts bins all sorted out, and then order a pile of replacement and addi
tional hardware so I had a more complete assortment of hardware. At this po
int I rarely need to order anything. It promotes good maintenance because y
ou feel happy to replace a screw when it's in worsening condition, rather th
an reusing it because you didn't have one.
Buy 100 packs of cotter pins too....especially the ones for the axles.
And washers, and nuts both nylock and all-metal. You'll also find that in d
oing the engine you don't always do things 100% identically to other people,
so you'll want extra Adel clamps, and non-nylon nuts in the engine compartm
ent. Washers too of course. The list is long but if you're going to be you
r own mechanic later you may as well spend the $200-300 on extra hardware...
.even some sizes not in the plans. If it were a rare size, I ordered 20, bu
t common I just went for 100 packs for the discount. You can usually go up a
size if you need to, in a pinch.
Tim
On Mar 6, 2011, at 12:16 AM, John Gonzalez <indigoonlatigo@msn.com> wrote:
> Yes guys I have been doing this orderring of all different bolts and screw
....but, and as is the case these are 8R10s, I have 8R7s.
>
> My finishing kit did not contain these screws.
>
> I'll place another order and wait a few days. It not like I am doing anyth
ing you all haven't already done.
>
> What I find difficult to do it order through Spruce because they use a dif
ferent system of numbering. Anyone have a conversion chart?
>
> Thanks
>
> JOhn
>
> > Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 20:07:34 -0600
> > From: Tim@myrv10.com
> > To: RV10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: seat rails and AN509 8R10 screws
> >
> >
> > Yes, you should just order 100 packs of many standard size screws,
> > all the common ones, and all of the ones you need for
> > commonly removed items. I ordered maybe 10 lengths of
> > each size screw, 4-40, 6's, 8's, 10's....so that's a lot
> > of screws but in 100 packs its not a big deal. You'll want
> > them long term for maintenance anyway.
> >
> > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
> > do not archive
> >
> >
> > On 3/5/2011 7:48 PM, Pascal wrote:
> > >
> > > For what it's worth, I have no idea what I got and what Vans gave me,
> > > but I am one of those that ordered all sorts of items from Spruce so I
> > > always have extra's on hand for those times I need a hot swap for a
> > > stripped hardware item or more commonly, misplaced items.
> > > Pascal
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message----- From: Lew Gallagher
> > > Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 4:42 PM
> > > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > > Subject: RV10-List: Re: seat rails and AN509 8R10 screws
> > >
> > >
> > > Hey John,
> > >
> > > It's been too long for me to remember exactly, but it seems there IS
> > > something about the seat rail screws -- some countersunk, some not? no
t
> > > all the holes in the rails are used? Others that are at that stage or
> > > have the plans handy, chime in here. Or lay the seat rails out where
> > > they fit and check it out.
> > >
> > > Later, - Lew
> > >
> > > --------
> > > non-pilot
> > > crazy about building
> > > NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
> > > Fly off completed !
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Read this topic online here:
> > >
> > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=332862#332862
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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| Subject: | Re: Another first flight |
Big congrats Rob!
Tim
On Mar 5, 2011, at 11:58 PM, Rob Kochman <rv10rob@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi, all... after three years, six months, and one week, our RV-10 finally h
ad its first flight on Saturday! Rob took off from runway 34L at Paine Fiel
d, climbed to 3000 feet, circled the airport for 15 minutes, then landed une
ventfully. Despite some nerves, the flight was a success. Only 39.75 more h
ours to go until the test period is complete and Kelly can ride, too!
>
> Our RV-10 is powered by an Aero Sport Power IO-540-D4A5 (260 hp), Silver H
awk EX FI system, with a slick mag on bottom and Light Speed Plasma III on t
op. The instrument panel has a Dynon D100 EFIS, Dynon D120 EMS, Garmin GNS 4
30 GPS, and panel-mounted Garmin GPSMAP 696. Interior by Flightline Interio
rs. Our tail number is 819K: 8/19 is our wedding anniversary, and K is for "
Kelly" (according to her).
>
> Short video of today's flight: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60XPTEVzhY
s
>
> -Rob and Kelly
> http://kochman.net/N819K/
>
> P.S. (from Rob) The airplane was definitely my passion, but there's no way
I could have done it without Kelly. She put up with more than I could ever
ask for and kept me sane during the low points of the building, but she als
o took it a step further. These pictures really show it was a team effort. h
ttp://kochman.net/KellyAirplane/
>
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| Subject: | Speaking of seat rails |
Sent from my Iphone Wayne
Since were on the subject of seat rails I'm assuming some of you are having the
same problem as me with the seat being very difficult to move as tome goes on.
For those that have this same problem have you come up with an easy solution?
Boy during this colder period it's almost impossible to get them to slide.
Wayne Edgerton
N602WT
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| Subject: | Re: Speaking of seat rails |
I believe there's a strip of teflon/plastic in the rail.- If you pull it
out and =0Ajust sand yourself a little more clearance, it should take care
of the problem.=0ADon=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom
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=0A=0ASince were on the subject of seat rails I'm assuming some of you are
having the =0Asame problem as me with the seat being very difficult to move
as tome goes on. =0AFor those that have this same problem have you come up
with an easy solution? =0ABoy during this colder period it's almost imposs
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| Subject: | Re: seat rails and AN509 8R10 screws |
I checked and mine are in bag 1435 qty 80 an509-8r10. I attached a searchable
() word file for all but the Firewall Forward kit.
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Bill Peyton
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=332889#332889
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/rv_10_inventory_list_117.doc
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| Subject: | Re: Speaking of seat rails |
One thing that was a mistake was lubing the rails with white lithium
grease. Over time and with cold temps it made the situation worse. The
teflon? is on the seat riders.
Had to clean out all the grease, they seem to work best without lube or
perhaps some very light type. Have not tried that yet. If the tracks
are the least bit out of alignment the problem is obviously worse.
Dick Sipp
350 Hours
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| Subject: | Re: Speaking of seat rails |
A little silicone spray helps.
Tim
On Mar 6, 2011, at 7:40 AM, Don McDonald <building_partner@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I believe there's a strip of teflon/plastic in the rail. If you pull it o
ut and just sand yourself a little more clearance, it should take care of th
e problem.
> Don
>
> From: Wayne Edgerton <w.edgerton@verizon.net>
> To: "rv10-list@matronics.com" <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sun, March 6, 2011 7:16:34 AM
> Subject: RV10-List: Speaking of seat rails
>
>
>
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> Sent from my Iphone Wayne
>
>
> Since were on the subject of seat rails I'm assuming some of you are havin
g the same problem as me with the seat being very difficult to move as tome g
oes on. For those that have this same problem have you come up with an easy s
olution? Boy during this colder period it's almost impossible to get them to
slide.
>
> Wayne = - List Contribution Web Site -
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| Subject: | Speaking of seat rails |
What type are you using. I have used the LPS-2 with a little
successbut looking for something better..
I thought it would get better over time, but after 150 hours.I
have seen little improvement.
Rene'
801-721-6080
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 7:26 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Speaking of seat rails
A little silicone spray helps.
Tim
On Mar 6, 2011, at 7:40 AM, Don McDonald <building_partner@yahoo.com>
wrote:
I believe there's a strip of teflon/plastic in the rail. If you pull it
out and just sand yourself a little more clearance, it should take care
of the problem.
Don
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From: Wayne Edgerton <w.edgerton@verizon.net>
Sent: Sun, March 6, 2011 7:16:34 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Speaking of seat rails
Sent from my Iphone Wayne
Since were on the subject of seat rails I'm assuming some of you are
having the same problem as me with the seat being very difficult to move
as tome goes on. For those that have this same problem have you come up
with an easy solution? Boy during this colder period it's almost
impossible to get them to slide.
Wayne = - List Contribution Web Site -
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| Subject: | Re: seat rails and AN509 8R10 screws |
Thanks Bill. I referenced bag 1435 in my kit which is located in my "quickb
uild Fuselage Kit." My Firewall Foreward kits have bags in the 500's.
Indeed=2C this bag 1435 does contain the AN509 8R10 screws but there are on
ly #20. That would leave me five screws per rail.
Weird how Van's inventory with the kits ship=2C but it is an wonder it work
s at all.
BTW not only have I been orderring extra of everything=2C but also now have
the plastic Plano boxes to label and sort them.
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: seat rails and AN509 8R10 screws
> From: peyton.b@sbcglobal.net
> Date: Sun=2C 6 Mar 2011 05:55:49 -0800
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
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>
> I checked and mine are in bag 1435 qty 80 an509-8r10. I attached a search
able () word file for all but the Firewall Forward kit.
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> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Speaking of seat rails |
It's nothing too special...I'm not sure of the brand, maybe
"Gunk" or something...it's sold under so many brands.
It's just "Silicone Spray". It's not a normal oil lube
but real thin. I just sprayed a paper towel and then
wiped it onto the rails. You don't need to use much.
And, you don't want to get it on anything that you'll
want to paint later....but otherwise it's no big deal.
Don't use too much...you don't want to attract tons of
dirt and stuff.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 3/6/2011 9:23 AM, Rene wrote:
> What type are you using. I have used the LPS-2 with a little
> successbut looking for something better..
>
> I thought it would get better over time, but after 150 hours.I have
> seen little improvement.
>
> Rene'
>
> 801-721-6080
>
> *From:*owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Tim Olson
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 06, 2011 7:26 AM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Speaking of seat rails
>
> A little silicone spray helps.
>
> Tim
>
>
> On Mar 6, 2011, at 7:40 AM, Don McDonald <building_partner@yahoo.com
> <mailto:building_partner@yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
> I believe there's a strip of teflon/plastic in the rail. If you pull
> it out and just sand yourself a little more clearance, it should
> take care of the problem.
>
> Don
>
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> *From:*Wayne Edgerton <w.edgerton@verizon.net
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> *Subject:* RV10-List: Speaking of seat rails
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> Sent from my Iphone Wayne
>
>
> Since were on the subject of seat rails I'm assuming some of you are
> having the same problem as me with the seat being very difficult to
> move as tome goes on. For those that have this same problem have you
> come up with an easy solution? Boy during this colder period it's
> almost impossible to get them to slide.
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a real aviation supply house (Spruce)is first choice for the extra
hardware but when they don't stock it, try McMaster Carr for example,
for the cap screws for nose wheel stops and Wheel pant outboard "1/4"
type stainless.
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Olson
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 6:06 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: seat rails and AN509 8R10 screws
But that's what I mean....I ordered like 8R7's, 8R8's, 8R9's, 8R10's,
8R... If you prepare and order some additional sizes above and below,
you'll be ready. I found many places where a slightly longer screw was
nicer, or where I had some reason to switch. And for some locations I
used stainless screws instead of the Cad plated, depending on what it
was for.
You'll want to probably replace ALL of the wingtip and fairing screws
with stainless, and leave them unpainted if you don't like chipped paint
screws.
Do the same with AN bolts, especially 3's and 4's....get some
additional sizes. For general hardware, I found it better to just empty
the Vans baggies into parts bins all sorted out, and then order a pile
of replacement and additional hardware so I had a more complete
assortment of hardware. At this point I rarely need to order anything.
It promotes good maintenance because you feel happy to replace a screw
when it's in worsening condition, rather than reusing it because you
didn't have one.
Buy 100 packs of cotter pins too....especially the ones for the axles.
And washers, and nuts both nylock and all-metal. You'll also find
that in doing the engine you don't always do things 100% identically to
other people, so you'll want extra Adel clamps, and non-nylon nuts in
the engine compartment. Washers too of course. The list is long but if
you're going to be your own mechanic later you may as well spend the
$200-300 on extra hardware....even some sizes not in the plans. If it
were a rare size, I ordered 20, but common I just went for 100 packs for
the discount. You can usually go up a size if you need to, in a pinch.
Tim
On Mar 6, 2011, at 12:16 AM, John Gonzalez <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
wrote:
Yes guys I have been doing this orderring of all different bolts and
screw....but, and as is the case these are 8R10s, I have 8R7s.
My finishing kit did not contain these screws.
I'll place another order and wait a few days. It not like I am doing
anything you all haven't already done.
What I find difficult to do it order through Spruce because they use
a different system of numbering. Anyone have a conversion chart?
Thanks
JOhn
> Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 20:07:34 -0600
> From: Tim@myrv10.com
> To: RV10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: seat rails and AN509 8R10 screws
>
>
> Yes, you should just order 100 packs of many standard size screws,
> all the common ones, and all of the ones you need for
> commonly removed items. I ordered maybe 10 lengths of
> each size screw, 4-40, 6's, 8's, 10's....so that's a lot
> of screws but in 100 packs its not a big deal. You'll want
> them long term for maintenance anyway.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
> do not archive
>
>
> On 3/5/2011 7:48 PM, Pascal wrote:
<rv10flyer@verizon.net>
> >
> > For what it's worth, I have no idea what I got and what Vans
gave me,
> > but I am one of those that ordered all sorts of items from
Spruce so I
> > always have extra's on hand for those times I need a hot swap
for a
> > stripped hardware item or more commonly, misplaced items.
> > Pascal
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message----- From: Lew Gallagher
> > Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 4:42 PM
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RV10-List: Re: seat rails and AN509 8R10 screws
> >
<lewgall@charter.net>
> >
> > Hey John,
> >
> > It's been too long for me to remember exactly, but it seems
there IS
> > something about the seat rail screws -- some countersunk, some
not? not
> > all the holes in the rails are used? Others that are at that
stage or
> > have the plans handy, chime in here. Or lay the seat rails out
where
> > they fit and check it out.
> >
> > Later, - Lew
> >
> > --------
> > non-pilot
> > crazy about building
> > NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
> > Fly off completed !
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=332862#332862
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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One thing to check for is that your seat
Rails are not being distorted once you
Screw them down. Both sides on my
10 needed shinned at the aft end.
I believe the plans talk about this. I have
A .02 shim on the one side and without it
The seat can will hardly move.
Geoff
Sent from my iPhone Geoff
On Mar 6, 2011, at 12:16 PM, "DLM" <dlm34077@q.com> wrote:
> a real aviation supply house (Spruce)is first choice for the extra hardwar
e but when they don't stock it, try McMaster Carr for example, for the cap s
crews for nose wheel stops and Wheel pant outboard "1/4" type stainless.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tim Olson
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 6:06 AM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: seat rails and AN509 8R10 screws
>
> But that's what I mean....I ordered like 8R7's, 8R8's, 8R9's, 8R10's, 8R..
. If you prepare and order some additional sizes above and below, you'll b
e ready. I found many places where a slightly longer screw was nicer, or wh
ere I had some reason to switch. And for some locations I used stainless sc
rews instead of the Cad plated, depending on what it was for.
> You'll want to probably replace ALL of the wingtip and fairing screws with
stainless, and leave them unpainted if you don't like chipped paint screws.
> Do the same with AN bolts, especially 3's and 4's....get some additional s
izes. For general hardware, I found it better to just empty the Vans baggie
s into parts bins all sorted out, and then order a pile of replacement and a
dditional hardware so I had a more complete assortment of hardware. At this
point I rarely need to order anything. It promotes good maintenance becau
se you feel happy to replace a screw when it's in worsening condition, rathe
r than reusing it because you didn't have one.
> Buy 100 packs of cotter pins too....especially the ones for the axles.
> And washers, and nuts both nylock and all-metal. You'll also find that i
n doing the engine you don't always do things 100% identically to other peop
le, so you'll want extra Adel clamps, and non-nylon nuts in the engine compa
rtment. Washers too of course. The list is long but if you're going to be y
our own mechanic later you may as well spend the $200-300 on extra hardware.
...even some sizes not in the plans. If it were a rare size, I ordered 20, b
ut common I just went for 100 packs for the discount. You can usually go up
a size if you need to, in a pinch.
> Tim
>
>
>
> On Mar 6, 2011, at 12:16 AM, John Gonzalez <indigoonlatigo@msn.com> wrote:
>
>> Yes guys I have been doing this orderring of all different bolts and scre
w....but, and as is the case these are 8R10s, I have 8R7s.
>>
>> My finishing kit did not contain these screws.
>>
>> I'll place another order and wait a few days. It not like I am doing anyt
hing you all haven't already done.
>>
>> What I find difficult to do it order through Spruce because they use a di
fferent system of numbering. Anyone have a conversion chart?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> JOhn
>>
>> > Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 20:07:34 -0600
>> > From: Tim@myrv10.com
>> > To: RV10-list@matronics.com
>> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: seat rails and AN509 8R10 screws
>> >
>> >
>> > Yes, you should just order 100 packs of many standard size screws,
>> > all the common ones, and all of the ones you need for
>> > commonly removed items. I ordered maybe 10 lengths of
>> > each size screw, 4-40, 6's, 8's, 10's....so that's a lot
>> > of screws but in 100 packs its not a big deal. You'll want
>> > them long term for maintenance anyway.
>> >
>> > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>> > do not archive
>> >
>> >
>> > On 3/5/2011 7:48 PM, Pascal wrote:
>> > >
>> > > For what it's worth, I have no idea what I got and what Vans gave me,
>> > > but I am one of those that ordered all sorts of items from Spruce so I
>> > > always have extra's on hand for those times I need a hot swap for a
>> > > stripped hardware item or more commonly, misplaced items.
>> > > Pascal
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message----- From: Lew Gallagher
>> > > Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 4:42 PM
>> > > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> > > Subject: RV10-List: Re: seat rails and AN509 8R10 screws
>> > >
>
>> > >
>> > > Hey John,
>> > >
>> > > It's been too long for me to remember exactly, but it seems there IS
>> > > something about the seat rail screws -- some countersunk, some not? n
ot
>> > > all the holes in the rails are used? Others that are at that stage or
>> > > have the plans handy, chime in here. Or lay the seat rails out where
>> > > they fit and check it out.
>> > >
>> > > Later, - Lew
>> > >
>> > > --------
>> > > non-pilot
>> > > crazy about building
>> > > NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
>> > > Fly off completed !
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Read this topic online here:
>> > >
>> > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=332862#332862
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> &g===========
>> >
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I been thinking about Tim's response here and I know the truth regarding wh
at he is up to.
Tim's wife says=2C "Honey=2C you have more extra bolts=2C washers=2C nuts a
nd screws then you could ever use on our plane."
His reply=2C "Yah=2C I was thinking about that and I would hate for them to
go to waste=2C I think I should start another project=2C it will be done o
nce the kids move out and we only need two seats."
Very clever fox!!!!
From: Tim@MyRV10.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: seat rails and AN509 8R10 screws
But that's what I mean....I ordered like 8R7's=2C 8R8's=2C 8R9's=2C 8R10's
=2C 8R... If you prepare and order some additional sizes above and below
=2C you'll be ready. I found many places where a slightly longer screw was
nicer=2C or where I had some reason to switch. And for some locations I u
sed stainless screws instead of the Cad plated=2C depending on what it was
for.
You'll want to probably replace ALL of the wingtip and fairing screws with
stainless=2C and leave them unpainted if you don't like chipped paint screw
s.
Do the same with AN bolts=2C especially 3's and 4's....get some additional
sizes. For general hardware=2C I found it better to just empty the Vans ba
ggies into parts bins all sorted out=2C and then order a pile of replacemen
t and additional hardware so I had a more complete assortment of hardware.
At this point I rarely need to order anything. It promotes good maintena
nce because you feel happy to replace a screw when it's in worsening condit
ion=2C rather than reusing it because you didn't have one.
Buy 100 packs of cotter pins too....especially the ones for the axles.
And washers=2C and nuts both nylock and all-metal. You'll also find that
in doing the engine you don't always do things 100% identically to other pe
ople=2C so you'll want extra Adel clamps=2C and non-nylon nuts in the engin
e compartment. Washers too of course. The list is long but if you're goin
g to be your own mechanic later you may as well spend the $200-300 on extra
hardware....even some sizes not in the plans. If it were a rare size=2C I
ordered 20=2C but common I just went for 100 packs for the discount. You
can usually go up a size if you need to=2C in a pinch.
Tim
On Mar 6=2C 2011=2C at 12:16 AM=2C John Gonzalez <indigoonlatigo@msn.com> w
rote:
Yes guys I have been doing this orderring of all different bolts and screw.
...but=2C and as is the case these are 8R10s=2C I have 8R7s.
My finishing kit did not contain these screws.
I'll place another order and wait a few days. It not like I am doing anythi
ng you all haven't already done.
What I find difficult to do it order through Spruce because they use a diff
erent system of numbering. Anyone have a conversion chart?
Thanks
JOhn
> Date: Sat=2C 5 Mar 2011 20:07:34 -0600
> From: Tim@myrv10.com
> To: RV10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: seat rails and AN509 8R10 screws
>
>
> Yes=2C you should just order 100 packs of many standard size screws=2C
> all the common ones=2C and all of the ones you need for
> commonly removed items. I ordered maybe 10 lengths of
> each size screw=2C 4-40=2C 6's=2C 8's=2C 10's....so that's a lot
> of screws but in 100 packs its not a big deal. You'll want
> them long term for maintenance anyway.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
> do not archive
>
>
> On 3/5/2011 7:48 PM=2C Pascal wrote:
> >
> > For what it's worth=2C I have no idea what I got and what Vans gave me
=2C
> > but I am one of those that ordered all sorts of items from Spruce so I
> > always have extra's on hand for those times I need a hot swap for a
> > stripped hardware item or more commonly=2C misplaced items.
> > Pascal
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message----- From: Lew Gallagher
> > Sent: Saturday=2C March 05=2C 2011 4:42 PM
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RV10-List: Re: seat rails and AN509 8R10 screws
> >
> >
> > Hey John=2C
> >
> > It's been too long for me to remember exactly=2C but it seems there IS
> > something about the seat rail screws -- some countersunk=2C some not? n
ot
> > all the holes in the rails are used? Others that are at that stage or
> > have the plans handy=2C chime in here. Or lay the seat rails out where
> > they fit and check it out.
> >
> > Later=2C - Lew
> >
> > --------
> > non-pilot
> > crazy about building
> > NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
> > Fly off completed !
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=332862#332862
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Look what we did with our extra bolts, washers, screws & nuts.
Robin
Do Not archive
[image: Airworthy aircraft, tail skid 007.jpg]
*From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *John Gonzalez
*Sent:* Sunday, March 06, 2011 1:15 PM
*To:* RV 10 group
*Subject:* RE: RV10-List: Re: seat rails and AN509 8R10 screws
I been thinking about Tim's response here and I know the truth regarding
what he is up to.
Tim's wife says, "Honey, you have more extra bolts, washers, nuts and screws
then you could ever use on our plane."
His reply, "Yah, I was thinking about that and I would hate for them to go
to waste, I think I should start another project, it will be done once the
kids move out and we only need two seats."
Very clever fox!!!!
------------------------------
From: Tim@MyRV10.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: seat rails and AN509 8R10 screws
But that's what I mean....I ordered like 8R7's, 8R8's, 8R9's, 8R10's, 8R...
If you prepare and order some additional sizes above and below, you'll be
ready. I found many places where a slightly longer screw was nicer, or
where I had some reason to switch. And for some locations I used stainless
screws instead of the Cad plated, depending on what it was for.
You'll want to probably replace ALL of the wingtip and fairing screws with
stainless, and leave them unpainted if you don't like chipped paint screws.
Do the same with AN bolts, especially 3's and 4's....get some additional
sizes. For general hardware, I found it better to just empty the Vans
baggies into parts bins all sorted out, and then order a pile of replacement
and additional hardware so I had a more complete assortment of hardware. At
this point I rarely need to order anything. It promotes good maintenance
because you feel happy to replace a screw when it's in worsening condition,
rather than reusing it because you didn't have one.
Buy 100 packs of cotter pins too....especially the ones for the axles.
And washers, and nuts both nylock and all-metal. You'll also find that in
doing the engine you don't always do things 100% identically to other
people, so you'll want extra Adel clamps, and non-nylon nuts in the engine
compartment. Washers too of course. The list is long but if you're going
to be your own mechanic later you may as well spend the $200-300 on extra
hardware....even some sizes not in the plans. If it were a rare size, I
ordered 20, but common I just went for 100 packs for the discount. You can
usually go up a size if you need to, in a pinch.
Tim
On Mar 6, 2011, at 12:16 AM, John Gonzalez <indigoonlatigo@msn.com> wrote:
Yes guys I have been doing this orderring of all different bolts and
screw....but, and as is the case these are 8R10s, I have 8R7s.
My finishing kit did not contain these screws.
I'll place another order and wait a few days. It not like I am doing
anything you all haven't already done.
What I find difficult to do it order through Spruce because they use a
different system of numbering. Anyone have a conversion chart?
Thanks
JOhn
> Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 20:07:34 -0600
> From: Tim@myrv10.com
> To: RV10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: seat rails and AN509 8R10 screws
>
>
> Yes, you should just order 100 packs of many standard size screws,
> all the common ones, and all of the ones you need for
> commonly removed items. I ordered maybe 10 lengths of
> each size screw, 4-40, 6's, 8's, 10's....so that's a lot
> of screws but in 100 packs its not a big deal. You'll want
> them long term for maintenance anyway.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
> do not archive
>
>
> On 3/5/2011 7:48 PM, Pascal wrote:
> >
> > For what it's worth, I have no idea what I got and what Vans gave me,
> > but I am one of those that ordered all sorts of items from Spruce so I
> > always have extra's on hand for those times I need a hot swap for a
> > stripped hardware item or more commonly, misplaced items.
> > Pascal
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message----- From: Lew Gallagher
> > Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 4:42 PM
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RV10-List: Re: seat rails and AN509 8R10 screws
> >
> >
> > Hey John,
> >
> > It's been too long for me to remember exactly, but it seems there IS
> > something about the seat rail screws -- some countersunk, some not? not
> > all the holes in the rails are used? Others that are at that stage or
> > have the plans handy, chime in here. Or lay the seat rails out where
> > they fit and check it out.
> >
> > Later, - Lew
> >
> > --------
> > non-pilot
> > crazy about building
> > NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
> > Fly off completed !
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=332862#332862
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Congratulations on a great team effort!
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Check out my listing on Barnstormers for the information. All crated and ready
to go. Offers gladly accepted!
http://www.barnstormers.com/ad_manager/my_ads.php
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St Louis
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You know, you may be on to something. ;)
I do have the itch...
Tim
On Mar 6, 2011, at 3:14 PM, John Gonzalez <indigoonlatigo@msn.com> wrote:
> I been thinking about Tim's response here and I know the truth regarding w
hat he is up to.
>
> Tim's wife says, "Honey, you have more extra bolts, washers, nuts and scre
ws then you could ever use on our plane."
>
> His reply, "Yah, I was thinking about that and I would hate for them to go
to waste, I think I should start another project, it will be done once the k
ids move out and we only need two seats."
>
> Very clever fox!!!!
>
> From: Tim@MyRV10.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: seat rails and AN509 8R10 screws
> Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 07:06:05 -0600
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>
> But that's what I mean....I ordered like 8R7's, 8R8's, 8R9's, 8R10's, 8R..
. If you prepare and order some additional sizes above and below, you'll b
e ready. I found many places where a slightly longer screw was nicer, or wh
ere I had some reason to switch. And for some locations I used stainless sc
rews instead of the Cad plated, depending on what it was for.
> You'll want to probably replace ALL of the wingtip and fairing screws with
stainless, and leave them unpainted if you don't like chipped paint screws.
> Do the same with AN bolts, especially 3's and 4's....get some additional s
izes. For general hardware, I found it better to just empty the Vans baggie
s into parts bins all sorted out, and then order a pile of replacement and a
dditional hardware so I had a more complete assortment of hardware. At this
point I rarely need to order anything. It promotes good maintenance becau
se you feel happy to replace a screw when it's in worsening condition, rathe
r than reusing it because you didn't have one.
> Buy 100 packs of cotter pins too....especially the ones for the axles.
> And washers, and nuts both nylock and all-metal. You'll also find that i
n doing the engine you don't always do things 100% identically to other peop
le, so you'll want extra Adel clamps, and non-nylon nuts in the engine compa
rtment. Washers too of course. The list is long but if you're going to be y
our own mechanic later you may as well spend the $200-300 on extra hardware.
...even some sizes not in the plans. If it were a rare size, I ordered 20, b
ut common I just went for 100 packs for the discount. You can usually go up
a size if you need to, in a pinch.
> Tim
>
>
>
> On Mar 6, 2011, at 12:16 AM, John Gonzalez <indigoonlatigo@msn.com> wrote:
>
> Yes guys I have been doing this orderring of all different bolts and screw
....but, and as is the case these are 8R10s, I have 8R7s.
>
> My finishing kit did not contain these screws.
>
> I'll place another order and wait a few days. It not like I am doing anyth
ing you all haven't already done.
>
> What I find difficult to do it order through Spruce because they use a dif
ferent system of numbering. Anyone have a conversion chart?
>
> Thanks
>
> JOhn
>
> > Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 20:07:34 -0600
> > From: Tim@myrv10.com
> > To: RV10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: seat rails and AN509 8R10 screws
> >
> >
> > Yes, you should just order 100 packs of many standard size screws,
> > all the common ones, and all of the ones you need for
> > commonly removed items. I ordered maybe 10 lengths of
> > each size screw, 4-40, 6's, 8's, 10's....so that's a lot
> > of screws but in 100 packs its not a big deal. You'll want
> > them long term for maintenance anyway.
> >
> > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
> > do not archive
> >
> >
> > On 3/5/2011 7:48 PM, Pascal wrote:
> > >
> > > For what it's worth, I have no idea what I got and what Vans gave me,
> > > but I am one of those that ordered all sorts of items from Spruce so I
> > > always have extra's on hand for those times I need a hot swap for a
> > > stripped hardware item or more commonly, misplaced items.
> > > Pascal
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message----- From: Lew Gallagher
> > > Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 4:42 PM
> > > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > > Subject: RV10-List: Re: seat rails and AN509 8R10 screws
> > >
> > >
> > > Hey John,
> > >
> > > It's been too long for me to remember exactly, but it seems there IS
> > > something about the seat rail screws -- some countersunk, some not? no
t
> > > all the holes in the rails are used? Others that are at that stage or
> > > have the plans handy, chime in here. Or lay the seat rails out where
> > > they fit and check it out.
> > >
> > > Later, - Lew
> > >
> > > --------
> > > non-pilot
> > > crazy about building
> > > NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
> > > Fly off completed !
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Read this topic online here:
> > >
> > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=332862#332862
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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| Subject: | Re: seat rails and AN509 8R10 screws |
When I received my kit, I scanned in the entire inventory document using a text
converter, and then cleaned it up using MS Word, where it is easily searchable.
I then just put the bags in plastic drawers purchase from the aviation section
of Lowes. The drawers are numbered with the bag number. When I need a specific
part I just punch it in to the work area laptop, and it tells me which
bag its in. Vans told me they were in the process of converting all of the antique
inventory forms to Word. They sent me the QB Fuse list, which is all they
had done at the time. It sure makes it easier to find stuff. I never did
anthing more than a bag inventory. I did find that I was short 300 of the CS4-4s,
which Vans sent me ASAP, no questions.
bill
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Bill Peyton
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