---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 03/12/11: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:02 AM - Re: Another RV-10 takes to the air. (Marcus Cooper) 2. 05:42 AM - Re: Another RV-10 takes to the air. (Tim Olson) 3. 09:00 AM - Aviation Related (Robin Marks) 4. 09:18 AM - Re: Aviation Related (Chris Colohan) 5. 10:59 AM - 2006X oil cooler question (Tim Olson) 6. 12:31 PM - Re: 2006X oil cooler question (gary) 7. 01:47 PM - Re: 2006X oil cooler question (Tim Olson) 8. 02:33 PM - Re: 2006X oil cooler question (Robert Brunkenhoefer) 9. 02:34 PM - Re: 2006X oil cooler question (gary) 10. 03:45 PM - Re: Received new engine, questions (Andy Turner) 11. 04:30 PM - Re: Re: Received new engine, questions (Pascal) 12. 04:47 PM - Re: 2006X oil cooler question (Tim Olson) 13. 05:47 PM - Re: 2006X oil cooler question (Rene) 14. 06:03 PM - Re: Received new engine, questions (Jesse Saint) 15. 06:50 PM - Re: Another RV-10 takes to the air. (Rob Kochman) 16. 07:49 PM - Re: Received new engine, questions (rvdave) 17. 08:14 PM - Re: 2006X oil cooler question (Tim Olson) 18. 10:27 PM - Re: 2006X oil cooler question (Robin Marks) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:02:00 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Another RV-10 takes to the air. From: Marcus Cooper Well done David! Congrats and I hope you enjoy the fruits of your labor. Marcus do not archive On Mar 11, 2011, at 11:56 PM, David Leikam wrote: > > At about 4pm central standard time at KUES, kit #40496 flew to 4,200 feet for about 16 minutes. Everything worked and it flew great. #1 cylinder was a bit hot on climb but settled down after leveling off. > Man did it feel good to bring the whole project to the final step. Thanks to everyone on the list who provided me with information and help over the last 5 years. What a ride! See you at Oshkosh. > > David Leikam > RV10 > N89DA > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:42:24 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Another RV-10 takes to the air. Congrats Dave! You guys don't forget, once you're flying, and especially painted, shoot me a photo of your plane. It's great to keep the builders list full of photos so people can see all the RV-10's! Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD do not archive On 3/11/2011 10:56 PM, David Leikam wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: David Leikam > > At about 4pm central standard time at KUES, kit #40496 flew to 4,200 feet for about 16 minutes. Everything worked and it flew great. #1 cylinder was a bit hot on climb but settled down after leveling off. > Man did it feel good to bring the whole project to the final step. Thanks to everyone on the list who provided me with information and help over the last 5 years. What a ride! See you at Oshkosh. > > David Leikam > RV10 > N89DA > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:00:08 AM PST US From: Robin Marks Subject: RV10-List: Aviation Related Do Not Archive [image: http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2011/03/11/world/asia/20110311_japan-slide-YP21/20110311_japan-slide-YP21-jumbo.jpg] Sendai airport was inundated with cars, trucks, buses and thick mud deposited over its runways. NHK television transmitted aerial images of flood waters engulfing the airport, where survivors clustered on the roof of the main building. [image: http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2011/03/11/world/asia/20110311_japan-slide-3CTO/20110311_japan-slide-3CTO-jumbo.jpg] ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:18:54 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Aviation Related From: Chris Colohan Those are the first pictures I've seen of airplanes at Sendai. I notice this airport also has gates (aka, it services airlines). Does anyone know if any big iron was at the airport when the quake hit? Where are those planes? Did they manage to scramble them into the air before the wave hit? Chris On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 8:54 AM, Robin Marks wrote: > Do Not Archive > > [image: > http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2011/03/11/world/asia/20110311_japan-slide-YP21/20110311_japan-slide-YP21-jumbo.jpg] > > Sendai airport was inundated with cars, trucks, buses and thick mud > deposited over its runways. NHK television transmitted aerial images of > flood waters engulfing the airport, where survivors clustered on the roof of > the main building. > > [image: > http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2011/03/11/world/asia/20110311_japan-slide-3CTO/20110311_japan-slide-3CTO-jumbo.jpg] > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:59:45 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: 2006X oil cooler question From: Tim Olson Has anyone actually SWITCHED to the 2006X oil cooler from the standard Aero-Classic or the Niagara, and actually seen a definite improvement in oil cooling? >From the cooler body, everything from the machining, stamping, punch engraving, all parts, and everything else looks identical side-by-side, with the exception that the 2006X seems to have the thin WWWWWW fins slightly tighter packed giving about 10 more V's worth per row. All 3 brands of cooler are 13-row coolers, and while I haven't seen the Niagara and the others side by side, the Aero-Classic and 2006X even have some of the same stamping marks on the parts....looks like two letter persons initials. I don't want comments like "I have this one and it's great"....we're not blindly cheerleading. I want real hard examples like "I had brand/model X, and when I switched to Y, I saw a definite decrease (or increase) in oil temps. I bought the 2006X based on the claims of lowered temps, so I could put the oil cooler gate valve in and adjust the temps to keep it warm enough in the winter but cool in the summer....but if I'm not going to see definite changes (lowering) of temps, I'm not going to install either item. I need real evidence that there will be a difference, before i install these things, because from a construction difference, I just don't see it. Anyone? Tim ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:31:58 PM PST US From: "gary" Subject: RE: RV10-List: 2006X oil cooler question I had the Niagara and switched to the 206x. I saw about a 10 to 15 degree drop in oil temps. I did not put in their flow splitter thing in front of the cooler. Hope that helps. Gary Specketer -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 1:53 PM Subject: RV10-List: 2006X oil cooler question Has anyone actually SWITCHED to the 2006X oil cooler from the standard Aero-Classic or the Niagara, and actually seen a definite improvement in oil cooling? >From the cooler body, everything from the machining, stamping, punch engraving, all parts, and everything else looks identical side-by-side, with the exception that the 2006X seems to have the thin WWWWWW fins slightly tighter packed giving about 10 more V's worth per row. All 3 brands of cooler are 13-row coolers, and while I haven't seen the Niagara and the others side by side, the Aero-Classic and 2006X even have some of the same stamping marks on the parts....looks like two letter persons initials. I don't want comments like "I have this one and it's great"....we're not blindly cheerleading. I want real hard examples like "I had brand/model X, and when I switched to Y, I saw a definite decrease (or increase) in oil temps. I bought the 2006X based on the claims of lowered temps, so I could put the oil cooler gate valve in and adjust the temps to keep it warm enough in the winter but cool in the summer....but if I'm not going to see definite changes (lowering) of temps, I'm not going to install either item. I need real evidence that there will be a difference, before i install these things, because from a construction difference, I just don't see it. Anyone? Tim ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:47:48 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: 2006X oil cooler question From: Tim Olson Cool. That's the kind of thing I wanted to hear. I just bit the bullet and mounted mine so I'm crossing my fingers. Did the Niagara look physically the same pretty much too? Tim On Mar 12, 2011, at 2:25 PM, "gary" wrote: > > I had the Niagara and switched to the 206x. I saw about a 10 to 15 degree > drop in oil temps. I did not put in their flow splitter thing in front of > the cooler. > > Hope that helps. > > Gary Specketer > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 1:53 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: 2006X oil cooler question > > > Has anyone actually SWITCHED to the 2006X oil cooler from the standard > Aero-Classic or the Niagara, and actually seen a definite improvement in oil > cooling? >> From the cooler body, everything from the machining, stamping, punch > engraving, all parts, and everything else looks identical side-by-side, with > the exception that the 2006X seems to have the thin WWWWWW fins slightly > tighter packed giving about 10 more V's worth per row. All 3 brands of > cooler are 13-row coolers, and while I haven't seen the Niagara and the > others side by side, the Aero-Classic and 2006X even have some of the same > stamping marks on the parts....looks like two letter persons initials. > > > I don't want comments like "I have this one and it's great"....we're not > blindly cheerleading. I want real hard examples like "I had brand/model X, > and when I switched to Y, I saw a definite decrease (or increase) in oil > temps. > > I bought the 2006X based on the claims of lowered temps, so I could put the > oil cooler gate valve in and adjust the temps to keep it warm enough in the > winter but cool in the summer....but if I'm not going to see definite > changes (lowering) of temps, I'm not going to install either item. I need > real evidence that there will be a difference, before i install these > things, because from a construction difference, I just don't see it. > > Anyone? > Tim > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:33:43 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: 2006X oil cooler question From: Robert Brunkenhoefer Tim, I was having cooling problems early on and switched. For the last 250 hrs I have had no cooling troubles. Fwiw robert 661g 325hrs KCRP Robert Brunkenhoefer Sent from my Apple iPad On Mar 12, 2011, at 12:53 PM, Tim Olson wrote: > > Has anyone actually SWITCHED to the 2006X oil cooler from the standard Aero-Classic or the Niagara, and actually seen a definite improvement in oil cooling? >> From the cooler body, everything from the machining, stamping, punch engraving, all parts, and everything else looks identical side-by-side, with the exception that the 2006X seems to have the thin WWWWWW fins slightly tighter packed giving about 10 more V's worth per row. All 3 brands of cooler are 13-row coolers, and while I haven't seen the Niagara and the others side by side, the Aero-Classic and 2006X even have some of the same stamping marks on the parts....looks like two letter persons initials. > > I don't want comments like "I have this one and it's great"....we're not blindly cheerleading. I want real hard examples like "I had brand/model X, and when I switched to Y, I saw a definite decrease (or increase) in oil temps. > > I bought the 2006X based on the claims of lowered temps, so I could put the oil cooler gate valve in and adjust the temps to keep it warm enough in the winter but cool in the summer....but if I'm not going to see definite changes (lowering) of temps, I'm not going to install either item. I need real evidence that there will be a difference, before i install these things, because from a construction difference, I just don't see it. > > Anyone? > Tim > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:34:17 PM PST US From: "gary" Subject: RE: RV10-List: 2006X oil cooler question Yup looked the same. I was pissed when I first saw it. Gary -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 4:43 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: 2006X oil cooler question Cool. That's the kind of thing I wanted to hear. I just bit the bullet and mounted mine so I'm crossing my fingers. Did the Niagara look physically the same pretty much too? Tim On Mar 12, 2011, at 2:25 PM, "gary" wrote: > > I had the Niagara and switched to the 206x. I saw about a 10 to 15 degree > drop in oil temps. I did not put in their flow splitter thing in front of > the cooler. > > Hope that helps. > > Gary Specketer > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 1:53 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: 2006X oil cooler question > > > Has anyone actually SWITCHED to the 2006X oil cooler from the standard > Aero-Classic or the Niagara, and actually seen a definite improvement in oil > cooling? >> From the cooler body, everything from the machining, stamping, punch > engraving, all parts, and everything else looks identical side-by-side, with > the exception that the 2006X seems to have the thin WWWWWW fins slightly > tighter packed giving about 10 more V's worth per row. All 3 brands of > cooler are 13-row coolers, and while I haven't seen the Niagara and the > others side by side, the Aero-Classic and 2006X even have some of the same > stamping marks on the parts....looks like two letter persons initials. > > > I don't want comments like "I have this one and it's great"....we're not > blindly cheerleading. I want real hard examples like "I had brand/model X, > and when I switched to Y, I saw a definite decrease (or increase) in oil > temps. > > I bought the 2006X based on the claims of lowered temps, so I could put the > oil cooler gate valve in and adjust the temps to keep it warm enough in the > winter but cool in the summer....but if I'm not going to see definite > changes (lowering) of temps, I'm not going to install either item. I need > real evidence that there will be a difference, before i install these > things, because from a construction difference, I just don't see it. > > Anyone? > Tim > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:45:39 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Received new engine, questions From: "Andy Turner" Dave, I don't know the answers to your questions, as you are ahead of me, but I also have a McCaulley governor, and had assumed it will work. Hopefully someone can confirm this for us. -------- Andy Turner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333659#333659 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:30:49 PM PST US From: "Pascal" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Received new engine, questions If it were me I would see if it fits on the engine. Get the model number and contact McCauley Product Support at 1-800-621-7767. -----Original Message----- From: Andy Turner Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 3:42 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Received new engine, questions Dave, I don't know the answers to your questions, as you are ahead of me, but I also have a McCaulley governor, and had assumed it will work. Hopefully someone can confirm this for us. -------- Andy Turner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333659#333659 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:47:22 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: 2006X oil cooler question From: Tim Olson Super. I have it installed. Will fly it tomorrow and soon have a trip coming so I'll know for sure after that. If it lives up to the promises, I'll be happy...then I'll add that controller flap. Tim On Mar 12, 2011, at 4:23 PM, Robert Brunkenhoefer wrote: > > Tim, I was having cooling problems early on and switched. For the last 250 hrs I have had no cooling troubles. Fwiw robert 661g 325hrs KCRP > > Robert Brunkenhoefer > Sent from my Apple iPad > > On Mar 12, 2011, at 12:53 PM, Tim Olson wrote: > >> >> Has anyone actually SWITCHED to the 2006X oil cooler from the standard Aero-Classic or the Niagara, and actually seen a definite improvement in oil cooling? >>> From the cooler body, everything from the machining, stamping, punch engraving, all parts, and everything else looks identical side-by-side, with the exception that the 2006X seems to have the thin WWWWWW fins slightly tighter packed giving about 10 more V's worth per row. All 3 brands of cooler are 13-row coolers, and while I haven't seen the Niagara and the others side by side, the Aero-Classic and 2006X even have some of the same stamping marks on the parts....looks like two letter persons initials. >> >> I don't want comments like "I have this one and it's great"....we're not blindly cheerleading. I want real hard examples like "I had brand/model X, and when I switched to Y, I saw a definite decrease (or increase) in oil temps. >> >> I bought the 2006X based on the claims of lowered temps, so I could put the oil cooler gate valve in and adjust the temps to keep it warm enough in the winter but cool in the summer....but if I'm not going to see definite changes (lowering) of temps, I'm not going to install either item. I need real evidence that there will be a difference, before i install these things, because from a construction difference, I just don't see it. >> >> Anyone? >> Tim >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:47:59 PM PST US From: "Rene" Subject: RE: RV10-List: 2006X oil cooler question Tim, you might be asking a question that is hard to answer in a scientific manner. Since there are so many variables that could affect the outcome.........engine break in, baffling improvements, etc. After a trip to Vegas I decided that I could not live with my oil temperature problem and replaced the oil cooler. I saw a general oil temperature decrease.....lets say 10 degrees....on the hot climb outs. One other point....with the new cooler, I could not get the oil temps up above 180 in the winter without using the airflow control valve I installed. This past winter, on Utah cold days.........lets say 20-30f at takeoff....I have been flying with all the air flow cut off to the oil cooler. Max oil temps have been a little over 200f. Rene' 801-721-6080 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 5:44 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: 2006X oil cooler question Super. I have it installed. Will fly it tomorrow and soon have a trip coming so I'll know for sure after that. If it lives up to the promises, I'll be happy...then I'll add that controller flap. Tim On Mar 12, 2011, at 4:23 PM, Robert Brunkenhoefer wrote: > --> > > Tim, I was having cooling problems early on and switched. For the last > 250 hrs I have had no cooling troubles. Fwiw robert 661g 325hrs KCRP > > Robert Brunkenhoefer > Sent from my Apple iPad > > On Mar 12, 2011, at 12:53 PM, Tim Olson wrote: > >> >> Has anyone actually SWITCHED to the 2006X oil cooler from the standard Aero-Classic or the Niagara, and actually seen a definite improvement in oil cooling? >>> From the cooler body, everything from the machining, stamping, punch engraving, all parts, and everything else looks identical side-by-side, with the exception that the 2006X seems to have the thin WWWWWW fins slightly tighter packed giving about 10 more V's worth per row. All 3 brands of cooler are 13-row coolers, and while I haven't seen the Niagara and the others side by side, the Aero-Classic and 2006X even have some of the same stamping marks on the parts....looks like two letter persons initials. >> >> I don't want comments like "I have this one and it's great"....we're not blindly cheerleading. I want real hard examples like "I had brand/model X, and when I switched to Y, I saw a definite decrease (or increase) in oil temps. >> >> I bought the 2006X based on the claims of lowered temps, so I could put the oil cooler gate valve in and adjust the temps to keep it warm enough in the winter but cool in the summer....but if I'm not going to see definite changes (lowering) of temps, I'm not going to install either item. I need real evidence that there will be a difference, before i install these things, because from a construction difference, I just don't see it. >> >> Anyone? >> Tim >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:03:54 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Received new engine, questions From: Jesse Saint The standard angled oil filter adapter from Mattituck does fit the engine mount. When installing the engine, you need to swing the back of the engine down and under the engine mount bar, but it does fit with plenty of clearance. It's much better to change the oil with the angled adapter than with the straight adapter, which puts the back of the oil filter just aft of flush with the firewall (sticking into the firewall box just slightly). I can't speak to the prop governor, as I have only used the MT from Van's, but I don't see any reason why it wouldn't work. You may need to do some adjustments as have been necessary with some of the MT's, but that should be all. I'm no governor expert, however, so you might want to talk to one of those. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com C: 352-427-0285 F: 815-377-3694 On Mar 12, 2011, at 12:41 AM, rvdave wrote: > > Received my new Mattituck Red/Gold TMX IO-540, feels great but have some questions. 1) Wondering if there will be a problem with the angled oil filter adaptor so close to the firewall, 2) I have a McCaulley prop governor I was going to use on my RV6 but never did, is there any reason I can't use it on this 540 with Hartzell blended airfoil? > > -------- > Dave Ford > RV6 flying > RV10 building > Cadillac, MI > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333593#333593 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/oil_filter_adaptor_189.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:50:23 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Another RV-10 takes to the air. From: Rob Kochman Congrats! On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 5:36 AM, Tim Olson wrote: > > Congrats Dave! > You guys don't forget, once you're flying, and especially painted, > shoot me a photo of your plane. It's great to keep the builders > list full of photos so people can see all the RV-10's! > > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD > do not archive > > > On 3/11/2011 10:56 PM, David Leikam wrote: > >> --> RV10-List message posted by: David Leikam >> >> At about 4pm central standard time at KUES, kit #40496 flew to 4,200 feet >> for about 16 minutes. Everything worked and it flew great. #1 cylinder was >> a bit hot on climb but settled down after leveling off. >> Man did it feel good to bring the whole project to the final step. Thanks >> to everyone on the list who provided me with information and help over the >> last 5 years. What a ride! See you at Oshkosh. >> >> David Leikam >> RV10 >> N89DA >> >> >> > > -- Rob Kochman RV-10 "Finishing" Kit Woodinville, WA (near Seattle) http://kochman.net/N819K ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:49:26 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Received new engine, questions From: "rvdave" Thanks, just the information I was looking for. -------- Dave Ford RV6 flying RV10 building Cadillac, MI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333686#333686 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:14:30 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: 2006X oil cooler question Hi Rene', I know I couldn't really ask for a real scientific answer on that one. Not many people would actually swap coolers in one day and go through all the work to verify an exact drop in temps. I just figured if there were a handful of people who actually tried both and saw a difference, I could get a feel for it. That way their break-in, baffling, and all that doesn't really matter much...what matters is if they saw lower temps after the new cooler. I also didn't just want people who have ONLY had that cooler to report, because when you've only used ONE cooler, you don't really have a way know that you really have any difference. Besides, everything I could read about it just said that it has "X % greater cooling than similar sized coolers". That's not very scientific...you'd really need to specify WHICH coolers. I'm sure there are some really crappy coolers of similar size out there. But when I saw mine was nearly identical in construction, I just got worried that I may have wasted some good dollars. From the few replies so far though, it sounds like it may actually be a good deal. I'm right there with you on the airflow control valve. That was also part of my hangup. I didn't want to install the new cooler and have my oil be even MORE too cool on the winter days. As it was, it can get in the high 160's on cold flights. So I figured if I actually got -10 degrees out of it, I would do it with the control valve. That way I can do as you do and keep it optimal. Which valve did you use? I am very slightly worried that installing any valve may add a little restriction even at full-open, but I may just be paranoid there. That's also why I didn't want to add the valve unless I had the best cooler I could get. I bought the nonstopaviation.com valve. So far I did figure out a way to mount it on the cooler housing itself that would work, but mounting it on the back of the baffle gives too much interference with my engine mount for my satisfaction from the looks of it. Don M, if you're reading this, do you know where I can get some 4" SCAT tubing in Blue? I thought at one time you had a source for that. I'm guessing I'd buy 18" and then could trim it a little. Tim On 3/12/2011 7:47 PM, Rene wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Rene" > > Tim, you might be asking a question that is hard to answer in a scientific > manner. Since there are so many variables that could affect the > outcome.........engine break in, baffling improvements, etc. After a trip > to Vegas I decided that I could not live with my oil temperature problem and > replaced the oil cooler. I saw a general oil temperature decrease.....lets > say 10 degrees....on the hot climb outs. > > One other point....with the new cooler, I could not get the oil temps up > above 180 in the winter without using the airflow control valve I installed. > This past winter, on Utah cold days.........lets say 20-30f at takeoff....I > have been flying with all the air flow cut off to the oil cooler. Max oil > temps have been a little over 200f. > > Rene' > 801-721-6080 > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 5:44 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: 2006X oil cooler question > > --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson > > Super. I have it installed. Will fly it tomorrow and soon have a trip > coming so I'll know for sure after that. If it lives up to the promises, > I'll be happy...then I'll add that controller flap. > Tim > > > On Mar 12, 2011, at 4:23 PM, Robert Brunkenhoefer > wrote: > >> --> RV10-List message posted by: Robert Brunkenhoefer >> --> >> >> Tim, I was having cooling problems early on and switched. For the last >> 250 hrs I have had no cooling troubles. Fwiw robert 661g 325hrs KCRP >> >> Robert Brunkenhoefer >> Sent from my Apple iPad >> >> On Mar 12, 2011, at 12:53 PM, Tim Olson wrote: >> >>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson >>> >>> Has anyone actually SWITCHED to the 2006X oil cooler from the standard > Aero-Classic or the Niagara, and actually seen a definite improvement in oil > cooling? >>>> From the cooler body, everything from the machining, stamping, punch > engraving, all parts, and everything else looks identical side-by-side, with > the exception that the 2006X seems to have the thin WWWWWW fins slightly > tighter packed giving about 10 more V's worth per row. All 3 brands of > cooler are 13-row coolers, and while I haven't seen the Niagara and the > others side by side, the Aero-Classic and 2006X even have some of the same > stamping marks on the parts....looks like two letter persons initials. >>> >>> I don't want comments like "I have this one and it's great"....we're not > blindly cheerleading. I want real hard examples like "I had brand/model X, > and when I switched to Y, I saw a definite decrease (or increase) in oil > temps. >>> >>> I bought the 2006X based on the claims of lowered temps, so I could put > the oil cooler gate valve in and adjust the temps to keep it warm enough in > the winter but cool in the summer....but if I'm not going to see definite > changes (lowering) of temps, I'm not going to install either item. I need > real evidence that there will be a difference, before i install these > things, because from a construction difference, I just don't see it. >>> >>> Anyone? >>> Tim >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:27:04 PM PST US From: Robin Marks Subject: RE: RV10-List: 2006X oil cooler question Tim, I installed the 2008X as you may know so I can't offer any opinion on your situation other than to let you know we did not see any chance before/after installing the butterfly valve when the valve is full open. As for blue aeroduct tubing this is where we purchased ours but it is in 12' lengths. I think a friend recently told me about a place he purchases it by the foot. I will email him now. Maybe an answer tomorrow. http://www.hrpworld.com/googlebase.cfm?key=Aeroduct%20Hose%20-%20Colored%2 02-Ply%20Silicone%20&form_prod_id=3171&action=product Robin -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 8:10 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: 2006X oil cooler question Hi Rene', I know I couldn't really ask for a real scientific answer on that one. Not many people would actually swap coolers in one day and go through all the work to verify an exact drop in temps. I just figured if there were a handful of people who actually tried both and saw a difference, I could get a feel for it. That way their break-in, baffling, and all that doesn't really matter much...what matters is if they saw lower temps after the new cooler. I also didn't just want people who have ONLY had that cooler to report, because when you've only used ONE cooler, you don't really have a way know that you really have any difference. Besides, everything I could read about it just said that it has "X % greater cooling than similar sized coolers". That's not very scientific...you'd really need to specify WHICH coolers. I'm sure there are some really crappy coolers of similar size out there. But when I saw mine was nearly identical in construction, I just got worried that I may have wasted some good dollars. From the few replies so far though, it sounds like it may actually be a good deal. I'm right there with you on the airflow control valve. That was also part of my hangup. I didn't want to install the new cooler and have my oil be even MORE too cool on the winter days. As it was, it can get in the high 160's on cold flights. So I figured if I actually got -10 degrees out of it, I would do it with the control valve. That way I can do as you do and keep it optimal. Which valve did you use? I am very slightly worried that installing any valve may add a little restriction even at full-open, but I may just be paranoid there. That's also why I didn't want to add the valve unless I had the best cooler I could get. I bought the nonstopaviation.com valve. So far I did figure out a way to mount it on the cooler housing itself that would work, but mounting it on the back of the baffle gives too much interference with my engine mount for my satisfaction from the looks of it. Don M, if you're reading this, do you know where I can get some 4" SCAT tubing in Blue? I thought at one time you had a source for that. I'm guessing I'd buy 18" and then could trim it a little. Tim On 3/12/2011 7:47 PM, Rene wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Rene" > > Tim, you might be asking a question that is hard to answer in a scientific > manner. Since there are so many variables that could affect the > outcome.........engine break in, baffling improvements, etc. After a trip > to Vegas I decided that I could not live with my oil temperature problem and > replaced the oil cooler. I saw a general oil temperature decrease.....lets > say 10 degrees....on the hot climb outs. > > One other point....with the new cooler, I could not get the oil temps up > above 180 in the winter without using the airflow control valve I installed. > This past winter, on Utah cold days.........lets say 20-30f at takeoff....I > have been flying with all the air flow cut off to the oil cooler. Max oil > temps have been a little over 200f. > > Rene' > 801-721-6080 > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 5:44 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: 2006X oil cooler question > > --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson > > Super. I have it installed. Will fly it tomorrow and soon have a trip > coming so I'll know for sure after that. If it lives up to the promises, > I'll be happy...then I'll add that controller flap. > Tim > > > On Mar 12, 2011, at 4:23 PM, Robert Brunkenhoefer > wrote: > >> --> RV10-List message posted by: Robert Brunkenhoefer >> --> >> >> Tim, I was having cooling problems early on and switched. For the last >> 250 hrs I have had no cooling troubles. Fwiw robert 661g 325hrs KCRP >> >> Robert Brunkenhoefer >> Sent from my Apple iPad >> >> On Mar 12, 2011, at 12:53 PM, Tim Olson wrote: >> >>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson >>> >>> Has anyone actually SWITCHED to the 2006X oil cooler from the standard > Aero-Classic or the Niagara, and actually seen a definite improvement in oil > cooling? >>>> From the cooler body, everything from the machining, stamping, punch > engraving, all parts, and everything else looks identical side-by-side, with > the exception that the 2006X seems to have the thin WWWWWW fins slightly > tighter packed giving about 10 more V's worth per row. All 3 brands of > cooler are 13-row coolers, and while I haven't seen the Niagara and the > others side by side, the Aero-Classic and 2006X even have some of the same > stamping marks on the parts....looks like two letter persons initials. >>> >>> I don't want comments like "I have this one and it's great"....we're not > blindly cheerleading. I want real hard examples like "I had brand/model X, > and when I switched to Y, I saw a definite decrease (or increase) in oil > temps. >>> >>> I bought the 2006X based on the claims of lowered temps, so I could put > the oil cooler gate valve in and adjust the temps to keep it warm enough in > the winter but cool in the summer....but if I'm not going to see definite > changes (lowering) of temps, I'm not going to install either item. I need > real evidence that there will be a difference, before i install these > things, because from a construction difference, I just don't see it. >>> >>> Anyone? >>> Tim >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.