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1. 04:26 AM - Re: Elevator trim setting (dmaib@me.com)
2. 05:41 AM - Re: Elevator trim setting (Lew Gallagher)
3. 06:54 AM - Re: Re: Elevator trim setting (Marcus Cooper)
4. 07:23 AM - Re: Re: Elevator trim setting (Tim Olson)
5. 08:38 AM - Re: Flight Guide - Airguide publications (Robin Marks)
6. 12:41 PM - Re: Re: Elevator trim setting (John Cumins)
7. 03:09 PM - Re: Flight Guide - Airguide publications (Bruce Johnson)
8. 03:29 PM - Stand By Alternator (Bruce Johnson)
9. 04:47 PM - Re: Flight Guide - Airguide publications (Tim Olson)
10. 05:20 PM - brake linings (DLM)
11. 06:34 PM - Re: brake linings (Kelly McMullen)
12. 07:22 PM - Re: brake linings (Tim Olson)
13. 07:40 PM - Re: brake linings (Don McDonald)
14. 07:43 PM - Brakes and wheels info (Tim Olson)
15. 08:30 PM - Re: brake linings (Pascal)
16. 09:24 PM - Re: brake linings (Tim Olson)
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator trim setting |
I set mine up as Bill DeRouchey suggests in the post above yours. Mine works fine,
with no problems. I believe you will have more nose up trim authority this
way. Others have set theirs up this way, and others have done it per the plans.
You get to choose. :)
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David Maib
RV-10 #40559
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335383#335383
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator trim setting |
Here is Bill's revised post, works great for us.
Later, - Lew
From: billderou@yahoo.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: alternate elevator trim settings or twisted tail
John-
Talking about nose up/down and elevator trim up/down could be causing the confusion
since they move opposite to one another. Its also important to recognize
when the positioning is created by the servo end travel or the trim trailing edge.
Another problem causing confusion is communicating in degrees. I do not believe
that when Van says "-35 degrees" that this setting can be accurately repeated
for X hundred aircraft, nor do I believe that Vans two factory RV-10's are set
to -35 degrees. All of my settings and conclusions were drawn from doing the
Trig and cutting out accurate triangles. This is also why I specified a vertical
3" of measurement to eliminate the errors.
So - lets take another run at it:
1. Run the trim servo to its end point where the right (starboard) elevator trim
tab is full down. Full down is determined by the servo stopping and not the
trim tab jamming.
2. Set the trim tab trailing edge to 3" vertically below and normal to the elevator
trailing edge.
3. Get someone else to run the trim servo switch and have them slowly raise the
right elevator trim tab until it exactly aligns with the elevator trailing edge.
This is not the end of the servo run - it is determined by the trailing edges
matching.
4. Set the left (port) elevator trim tab trailing edge to align with the elevator
trailing edge.
Its very simple and much easier than working with the -35 degree spec for each
surface.
I did communicate and was supported by Vans engineering on this subject. However,
I believe the priority of the RV-12 got in the way of following this issue
to its conclusion.
Bill
--------
non-pilot
crazy about building
NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
Fly off completed !
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335387#335387
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator trim setting |
Jake,
This is normal. I don't remember the exact details but I believe they are in
the instructions. The system is designed so they both go down (giving you plenty
of up elevator trim) but only one sides moves up using different throw geometry.
I think the trick was to have one side faired to neutral when the other
side is up.
I suspect someone with more recent experience can provide more specifics.
Marcus
do not archive
On Mar 28, 2011, at 11:39 PM, JHearnsberger wrote:
>
> I would like to know others opinions on this topic. I might be willing to set
mine up this way.
>
> Here's where I am at now, going by the plans. I set both trim tabs to 35 degrees
down and when I bring them up to trail position, the right side is higher
than the left side.
>
> Please help me set my trim tabs up correctly.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jake
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335375#335375
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator trim setting |
I also used Bill's info and took some photos and did
a write-up here:
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/maintenance/20080622/index.html
In short, you want to get it so that both are neutral at the
same time, and you never have a situation where one is up and
the other is down. If you can do that, you're probably doing
just fine.
Tim
On 3/29/2011 6:55 AM, Lew Gallagher wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Lew Gallagher"<lewgall@charter.net>
>
> Here is Bill's revised post, works great for us.
> Later, - Lew
>
>
> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:55:08 -0800
> From: billderou@yahoo.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: alternate elevator trim settings or twisted tail
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>
> John-
> Talking about nose up/down and elevator trim up/down could be causing the confusion
since they move opposite to one another. Its also important to recognize
when the positioning is created by the servo end travel or the trim trailing
edge.
> Another problem causing confusion is communicating in degrees. I do not believe
that when Van says "-35 degrees" that this setting can be accurately repeated
for X hundred aircraft, nor do I believe that Vans two factory RV-10's are
set to -35 degrees. All of my settings and conclusions were drawn from doing the
Trig and cutting out accurate triangles. This is also why I specified a vertical
3" of measurement to eliminate the errors.
> So - lets take another run at it:
> 1. Run the trim servo to its end point where the right (starboard) elevator trim
tab is full down. Full down is determined by the servo stopping and not the
trim tab jamming.
> 2. Set the trim tab trailing edge to 3" vertically below and normal to the elevator
trailing edge.
> 3. Get someone else to run the trim servo switch and have them slowly raise the
right elevator trim tab until it exactly aligns with the elevator trailing
edge. This is not the end of the servo run - it is determined by the trailing
edges matching.
> 4. Set the left (port) elevator trim tab trailing edge to align with the elevator
trailing edge.
> Its very simple and much easier than working with the -35 degree spec for each
surface.
> I did communicate and was supported by Vans engineering on this subject. However,
I believe the priority of the RV-12 got in the way of following this issue
to its conclusion.
> Bill
>
> --------
> non-pilot
> crazy about building
> NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
> Fly off completed !
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335387#335387
>
>
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| Subject: | Flight Guide - Airguide publications |
Maybe my favorite line from the visionary film=85. Ghostbusters... =93Print
is
dead=94 Airguides type publications are dead man walking in the world of
electronic guides & digital data.
Robin
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*From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Scott Schmidt
*Sent:* Monday, March 28, 2011 9:19 PM
*To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
*Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Flight Guide - Airguide publications
Hmmmmmmm, Deems it is either a marketing ploy or someone at your airport or
another airport heard you fly in to the wrong airport, on the wrong
frequency, landed on the wrong runway, taxied on the wrong taxi way, tied
down in the wrong spot and took the wrong airport car and they are just
trying to help out.
Yaeeee, definitely a marketing ploy.
Do no archive
-Scott Schmidt
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*Subject:* RV10-List: Flight Guide - Airguide publications
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator trim setting |
I followed the write up on Tim's web site and it worked out perfect in trail
from neutral thru full up elevator the neutral and one tab on the down
elevator. Tim has a great how to write up on his site I would highly
recommend this to anyone.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 6:33 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Elevator trim setting
I also used Bill's info and took some photos and did a write-up here:
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/maintenance/20080622/index.html
In short, you want to get it so that both are neutral at the same time, and
you never have a situation where one is up and the other is down. If you can
do that, you're probably doing just fine.
Tim
On 3/29/2011 6:55 AM, Lew Gallagher wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Lew Gallagher"<lewgall@charter.net>
>
> Here is Bill's revised post, works great for us.
> Later, - Lew
>
>
> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:55:08 -0800
> From: billderou@yahoo.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: alternate elevator trim settings or twisted
> tail
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>
> John-
> Talking about nose up/down and elevator trim up/down could be causing the
confusion since they move opposite to one another. Its also important to
recognize when the positioning is created by the servo end travel or the
trim trailing edge.
> Another problem causing confusion is communicating in degrees. I do not
believe that when Van says "-35 degrees" that this setting can be accurately
repeated for X hundred aircraft, nor do I believe that Vans two factory
RV-10's are set to -35 degrees. All of my settings and conclusions were
drawn from doing the Trig and cutting out accurate triangles. This is also
why I specified a vertical 3" of measurement to eliminate the errors.
> So - lets take another run at it:
> 1. Run the trim servo to its end point where the right (starboard)
elevator trim tab is full down. Full down is determined by the servo
stopping and not the trim tab jamming.
> 2. Set the trim tab trailing edge to 3" vertically below and normal to the
elevator trailing edge.
> 3. Get someone else to run the trim servo switch and have them slowly
raise the right elevator trim tab until it exactly aligns with the elevator
trailing edge. This is not the end of the servo run - it is determined by
the trailing edges matching.
> 4. Set the left (port) elevator trim tab trailing edge to align with the
elevator trailing edge.
> Its very simple and much easier than working with the -35 degree spec for
each surface.
> I did communicate and was supported by Vans engineering on this subject.
However, I believe the priority of the RV-12 got in the way of following
this issue to its conclusion.
> Bill
>
> --------
> non-pilot
> crazy about building
> NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
> Fly off completed !
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335387#335387
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flight Guide - Airguide publications |
OK New subject, Has anybody else had issue with the B&C backup alternator?
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| Subject: | Stand By Alternator |
OK New subject, Has anybody else had issue with the B&C backup alternator?
Mine =0Akeeps flashing and setting off my audio warning. It=C2-used to ju
st come on at low =0ARPM and go off after around 1800, now it come on durin
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2. Any one else seen this issue???=0A=0A=0AThanks Bruce 151BJ 44.5 hrs=C2
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| Subject: | Re: Flight Guide - Airguide publications |
Bruce, if you want a new subject, why don't you
start it with a subject line other than
Flight Guide - Airguide publications...
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 3/29/2011 4:18 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:
> OK New subject, Has anybody else had issue with the B&C backup
> alternator? Mine keeps flashing and setting off my audio warning. It
> used to just come on at low RPM and go off after around 1800, now it
> come on during flight with no apparent reason. My voltage is steady ,
> around 14.1 or 2. Any one else seen this issue???
> Thanks Bruce 151BJ 44.5 hrs
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Robin Marks <robin@painttheweb.com>
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Tue, March 29, 2011 7:53:09 AM
> *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: Flight Guide - Airguide publications
>
> Maybe my favorite line from the visionary film. Ghostbusters... Print
> is dead Airguides type publications are dead man walking in the world
> of electronic guides & digital data.
>
> Robin
>
> Do Not Archive
>
> *From:*owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
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> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>] *On Behalf Of *Scott Schmidt
> *Sent:* Monday, March 28, 2011 9:19 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Flight Guide - Airguide publications
>
> Hmmmmmmm, Deems it is either a marketing ploy or someone at your airport
> or another airport heard you fly in to the wrong airport, on the wrong
> frequency, landed on the wrong runway, taxied on the wrong taxi way,
> tied down in the wrong spot and took the wrong airport car and they are
> just trying to help out.
>
> Yaeeee, definitely a marketing ploy.
>
> Do no archive
>
> -Scott Schmidt
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Mon, March 28, 2011 7:39:05 PM
> *Subject:* RV10-List: Flight Guide - Airguide publications
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Anyone found a good source for Rapco RA66-112 (Cleveland equivalent is
066-11200)? Spruce does not carry and Vans wants $60 + for a set of
Clevelands.
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| Subject: | Re: brake linings |
http://www.trade-a-plane.com/detail/1258510.html
Aircraft Supply in PA...$18.50
It is also used on the Beech Skipper
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 4:31 PM, DLM <dlm34077@q.com> wrote:
> Anyone found a good source for Rapco RA66-112 (Cleveland equivalent is
> 066-11200)? Spruce does not carry and Vans wants $60 + for a set of
> Clevelands.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: brake linings |
Spruce has carried them in the past. I just found them online
I think from Skygeek.com too for $18.99 each.
There are no Rapco's available yet. Rapco is in the process
of making them and getting them out but they said 2-3 more
months. I started talking to them back in 2006 or 2007 about
making them for the RV-10 and they're finally about to get
them in production. They told me last week that when they're
available, Desser Tire will have them first, but that it
will at least be 2-3 months yet.
For now, your only choice is Cleveland. Oh, and I saw that
Desser will likely be selling them for $16.99, so sadly,
it's not going to be a huge savings...only $8 for a complete
brake job.
Tim
On 3/29/2011 6:31 PM, DLM wrote:
> Anyone found a good source for Rapco RA66-112 (Cleveland equivalent is
> 066-11200)? Spruce does not carry and Vans wants $60 + for a set of
> Clevelands.
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: brake linings |
Just talked to the Rapco guys here at Sun and Fun, and they are going to go
ahead and release them to Desser for sale... prior to attaining the FAA
blessing.... probably 2 to 3 weeks, and at a much better price.
Don McDonald
Here at Lakeland in my RV41.
________________________________
From: DLM <dlm34077@q.com>
Sent: Tue, March 29, 2011 6:31:55 PM
Subject: RV10-List: brake linings
Anyone found a good source for Rapco RA66-112 (Cleveland equivalent is
066-11200)? Spruce does not carry and Vans wants $60 + for a set of Clevelands.
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| Subject: | Brakes and wheels info |
Another nice RV-10 builder tipped me off that a couple of offsite links to nice
wheel/brake parts diagrams were broken so I did one better and found them again,
along with more stuff.
Towards the bottom of this page are some links you may want for future maintenance
an parts needs.
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/maintenance/20061104/index.html
Have at it!
Tim
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| Subject: | Re: brake linings |
desser carries them
http://www.vansaircrafttires.com/categories/RV%252d10/Brakes/
From: DLM
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 4:31 PM
Subject: RV10-List: brake linings
Anyone found a good source for Rapco RA66-112 (Cleveland equivalent is
066-11200)? Spruce does not carry and Vans wants $60 + for a set of
Clevelands.
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| Subject: | Re: brake linings |
I hope the "much better" that Desser is advertising them for
ends up changing to a real actual "much" better. The
Clevelands I saw for $18.99. Desser wanted $16.99 for
the Rapcos. I think many other types of pads are under
$10 for Rapco's. If they can't do better than cutting
$2 off, I can't consider it "much". I'd love to
see them for $10 each.
Tim
On 3/29/2011 8:54 PM, Don McDonald wrote:
> Just talked to the Rapco guys here at Sun and Fun, and they are going to
> go ahead and release them to Desser for sale... prior to attaining the
> FAA blessing.... probably 2 to 3 weeks, and at a much better price.
> Don McDonald
> Here at Lakeland in my RV41.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* DLM <dlm34077@q.com>
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Tue, March 29, 2011 6:31:55 PM
> *Subject:* RV10-List: brake linings
>
> Anyone found a good source for Rapco RA66-112 (Cleveland equivalent is
> 066-11200)? Spruce does not carry and Vans wants $60 + for a set of
> Clevelands.
>
> *
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