---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 03/29/11: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:26 AM - Re: Elevator trim setting (dmaib@me.com) 2. 05:41 AM - Re: Elevator trim setting (Lew Gallagher) 3. 06:54 AM - Re: Re: Elevator trim setting (Marcus Cooper) 4. 07:23 AM - Re: Re: Elevator trim setting (Tim Olson) 5. 08:38 AM - Re: Flight Guide - Airguide publications (Robin Marks) 6. 12:41 PM - Re: Re: Elevator trim setting (John Cumins) 7. 03:09 PM - Re: Flight Guide - Airguide publications (Bruce Johnson) 8. 03:29 PM - Stand By Alternator (Bruce Johnson) 9. 04:47 PM - Re: Flight Guide - Airguide publications (Tim Olson) 10. 05:20 PM - brake linings (DLM) 11. 06:34 PM - Re: brake linings (Kelly McMullen) 12. 07:22 PM - Re: brake linings (Tim Olson) 13. 07:40 PM - Re: brake linings (Don McDonald) 14. 07:43 PM - Brakes and wheels info (Tim Olson) 15. 08:30 PM - Re: brake linings (Pascal) 16. 09:24 PM - Re: brake linings (Tim Olson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:26:43 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Elevator trim setting From: "dmaib@me.com" I set mine up as Bill DeRouchey suggests in the post above yours. Mine works fine, with no problems. I believe you will have more nose up trim authority this way. Others have set theirs up this way, and others have done it per the plans. You get to choose. :) -------- David Maib RV-10 #40559 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335383#335383 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:41:02 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Elevator trim setting From: "Lew Gallagher" Here is Bill's revised post, works great for us. Later, - Lew From: billderou@yahoo.com Subject: RE: RV10-List: alternate elevator trim settings or twisted tail John- Talking about nose up/down and elevator trim up/down could be causing the confusion since they move opposite to one another. Its also important to recognize when the positioning is created by the servo end travel or the trim trailing edge. Another problem causing confusion is communicating in degrees. I do not believe that when Van says "-35 degrees" that this setting can be accurately repeated for X hundred aircraft, nor do I believe that Vans two factory RV-10's are set to -35 degrees. All of my settings and conclusions were drawn from doing the Trig and cutting out accurate triangles. This is also why I specified a vertical 3" of measurement to eliminate the errors. So - lets take another run at it: 1. Run the trim servo to its end point where the right (starboard) elevator trim tab is full down. Full down is determined by the servo stopping and not the trim tab jamming. 2. Set the trim tab trailing edge to 3" vertically below and normal to the elevator trailing edge. 3. Get someone else to run the trim servo switch and have them slowly raise the right elevator trim tab until it exactly aligns with the elevator trailing edge. This is not the end of the servo run - it is determined by the trailing edges matching. 4. Set the left (port) elevator trim tab trailing edge to align with the elevator trailing edge. Its very simple and much easier than working with the -35 degree spec for each surface. I did communicate and was supported by Vans engineering on this subject. However, I believe the priority of the RV-12 got in the way of following this issue to its conclusion. Bill -------- non-pilot crazy about building NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549 Fly off completed ! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335387#335387 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:54:25 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Elevator trim setting From: Marcus Cooper Jake, This is normal. I don't remember the exact details but I believe they are in the instructions. The system is designed so they both go down (giving you plenty of up elevator trim) but only one sides moves up using different throw geometry. I think the trick was to have one side faired to neutral when the other side is up. I suspect someone with more recent experience can provide more specifics. Marcus do not archive On Mar 28, 2011, at 11:39 PM, JHearnsberger wrote: > > I would like to know others opinions on this topic. I might be willing to set mine up this way. > > Here's where I am at now, going by the plans. I set both trim tabs to 35 degrees down and when I bring them up to trail position, the right side is higher than the left side. > > Please help me set my trim tabs up correctly. > > Thanks, > > Jake > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335375#335375 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:23:21 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Elevator trim setting I also used Bill's info and took some photos and did a write-up here: http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/maintenance/20080622/index.html In short, you want to get it so that both are neutral at the same time, and you never have a situation where one is up and the other is down. If you can do that, you're probably doing just fine. Tim On 3/29/2011 6:55 AM, Lew Gallagher wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Lew Gallagher" > > Here is Bill's revised post, works great for us. > Later, - Lew > > > Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:55:08 -0800 > From: billderou@yahoo.com > Subject: RE: RV10-List: alternate elevator trim settings or twisted tail > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > > John- > Talking about nose up/down and elevator trim up/down could be causing the confusion since they move opposite to one another. Its also important to recognize when the positioning is created by the servo end travel or the trim trailing edge. > Another problem causing confusion is communicating in degrees. I do not believe that when Van says "-35 degrees" that this setting can be accurately repeated for X hundred aircraft, nor do I believe that Vans two factory RV-10's are set to -35 degrees. All of my settings and conclusions were drawn from doing the Trig and cutting out accurate triangles. This is also why I specified a vertical 3" of measurement to eliminate the errors. > So - lets take another run at it: > 1. Run the trim servo to its end point where the right (starboard) elevator trim tab is full down. Full down is determined by the servo stopping and not the trim tab jamming. > 2. Set the trim tab trailing edge to 3" vertically below and normal to the elevator trailing edge. > 3. Get someone else to run the trim servo switch and have them slowly raise the right elevator trim tab until it exactly aligns with the elevator trailing edge. This is not the end of the servo run - it is determined by the trailing edges matching. > 4. Set the left (port) elevator trim tab trailing edge to align with the elevator trailing edge. > Its very simple and much easier than working with the -35 degree spec for each surface. > I did communicate and was supported by Vans engineering on this subject. However, I believe the priority of the RV-12 got in the way of following this issue to its conclusion. > Bill > > -------- > non-pilot > crazy about building > NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549 > Fly off completed ! > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335387#335387 > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:38:19 AM PST US From: Robin Marks Subject: RE: RV10-List: Flight Guide - Airguide publications Maybe my favorite line from the visionary film=85. Ghostbusters... =93Print is dead=94 Airguides type publications are dead man walking in the world of electronic guides & digital data. Robin Do Not Archive *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Scott Schmidt *Sent:* Monday, March 28, 2011 9:19 PM *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Flight Guide - Airguide publications Hmmmmmmm, Deems it is either a marketing ploy or someone at your airport or another airport heard you fly in to the wrong airport, on the wrong frequency, landed on the wrong runway, taxied on the wrong taxi way, tied down in the wrong spot and took the wrong airport car and they are just trying to help out. Yaeeee, definitely a marketing ploy. Do no archive -Scott Schmidt ------------------------------ *From:* Deems Davis *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com *Sent:* Mon, March 28, 2011 7:39:05 PM *Subject:* RV10-List: Flight Guide - Airguide publications * * * * ===========* ===========* ===========* ===========* * * ------------------------------ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:41:44 PM PST US From: "John Cumins" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Elevator trim setting I followed the write up on Tim's web site and it worked out perfect in trail from neutral thru full up elevator the neutral and one tab on the down elevator. Tim has a great how to write up on his site I would highly recommend this to anyone. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 6:33 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Elevator trim setting I also used Bill's info and took some photos and did a write-up here: http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/maintenance/20080622/index.html In short, you want to get it so that both are neutral at the same time, and you never have a situation where one is up and the other is down. If you can do that, you're probably doing just fine. Tim On 3/29/2011 6:55 AM, Lew Gallagher wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Lew Gallagher" > > Here is Bill's revised post, works great for us. > Later, - Lew > > > Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:55:08 -0800 > From: billderou@yahoo.com > Subject: RE: RV10-List: alternate elevator trim settings or twisted > tail > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > > John- > Talking about nose up/down and elevator trim up/down could be causing the confusion since they move opposite to one another. Its also important to recognize when the positioning is created by the servo end travel or the trim trailing edge. > Another problem causing confusion is communicating in degrees. I do not believe that when Van says "-35 degrees" that this setting can be accurately repeated for X hundred aircraft, nor do I believe that Vans two factory RV-10's are set to -35 degrees. All of my settings and conclusions were drawn from doing the Trig and cutting out accurate triangles. This is also why I specified a vertical 3" of measurement to eliminate the errors. > So - lets take another run at it: > 1. Run the trim servo to its end point where the right (starboard) elevator trim tab is full down. Full down is determined by the servo stopping and not the trim tab jamming. > 2. Set the trim tab trailing edge to 3" vertically below and normal to the elevator trailing edge. > 3. Get someone else to run the trim servo switch and have them slowly raise the right elevator trim tab until it exactly aligns with the elevator trailing edge. This is not the end of the servo run - it is determined by the trailing edges matching. > 4. Set the left (port) elevator trim tab trailing edge to align with the elevator trailing edge. > Its very simple and much easier than working with the -35 degree spec for each surface. > I did communicate and was supported by Vans engineering on this subject. However, I believe the priority of the RV-12 got in the way of following this issue to its conclusion. > Bill > > -------- > non-pilot > crazy about building > NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549 > Fly off completed ! > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335387#335387 > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:09:52 PM PST US From: Bruce Johnson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Flight Guide - Airguide publications OK New subject, Has anybody else had issue with the B&C backup alternator? Mine =0Akeeps flashing and setting off my audio warning. It=C2-used to ju st come on at low =0ARPM and go off after around 1800, now it come on durin g flight with no apparent =0Areason. My voltage is steady , around 14.1 or 2. Any one else seen this issue???=0A=0AThanks Bruce 151BJ 44.5 hrs=C2- =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Robin Marks =0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Tue, March 29, 2011 7:53:09 AM=0ASubject: RE: RV10-List: Flight Guide - Airguide publications =0A=0A=0AMaybe my favorite line from the visionary film. Ghostbust ers... =9CPrint is dead=9D =0AAirguides type publications are d ead man walking in the world of electronic =0Aguides & digital data. =0A=0A =C2-=0ARobin=0ADo Not Archive =0A=C2-=0AFrom:owner-rv10-list-server@mat ronics.com =0A[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sc ott Schmidt=0ASent: Monday, March 28, 2011 9:19 PM=0ATo: rv10-list@matronic s.com=0ASubject: Re: RV10-List: Flight Guide - Airguide publications=0A=C2 -=0AHmmmmmmm, Deems it is either a marketing ploy or someone at your airp ort or =0Aanother airport heard you fly in to the wrong airport, on the wro ng frequency, =0Alanded on the wrong runway, taxied on the wrong taxi way, tied down in the wrong =0Aspot and took the wrong airport car and they are just trying to help out.=C2- =0A=0A=0AYaeeee, definitely a marketing ploy . =0A=0ADo no archive=0A=C2-=0A-Scott Schmidt=0A=C2-=0A=C2-=0A=0A____ ____________________________=0A=0AFrom:Deems Davis =0AT o: rv10-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Mon, March 28, 2011 7:39:05 PM=0ASubject : RV10-List: Flight Guide - Airguide publications=0A=C2-=0A=C2-=0Amatro nics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List =================http://forums.matronics. com=0Am ==================C2-=C2-=C2 -=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- -Matt Dr alle, List Admin.=0A=C2-=0A=0A________________________________=0A=0ANo vi rus found in this message.=0AChecked by AVG - www.avg.com=0AVersion: 10.0.1 ======= =0A ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:29:02 PM PST US From: Bruce Johnson Subject: RV10-List: Stand By Alternator OK New subject, Has anybody else had issue with the B&C backup alternator? Mine =0Akeeps flashing and setting off my audio warning. It=C2-used to ju st come on at low =0ARPM and go off after around 1800, now it come on durin g flight with no apparent =0Areason. My voltage is steady , around 14.1 or 2. Any one else seen this issue???=0A=0A=0AThanks Bruce 151BJ 44.5 hrs=C2 -=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Robin Marks =0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Tue, March 29, 20 11 7:53:09 AM=0ASubject: RE: RV10-List: Flight Guide - Airguide publication s=0A=0A=0AMaybe my favorite line from the visionary film. Ghostbus ters... =9CPrint is dead=9D =0AAirguides type publications are dead man walking in the world of electronic =0Aguides & digital data. =0A =0A=C2-=0ARobin=0ADo Not Archive =0A=C2-=0AFrom:owner-rv10-list-server@ matronics.com =0A[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Schmidt=0ASent: Monday, March 28, 2011 9:19 PM=0ATo: rv10-list@matro nics.com=0ASubject: Re: RV10-List: Flight Guide - Airguide publications=0A =C2-=0AHmmmmmmm, Deems it is either a marketing ploy or someone at your a irport or =0Aanother airport heard you fly in to the wrong airport, on the wrong frequency, =0Alanded on the wrong runway, taxied on the wrong taxi wa y, tied down in the wrong =0Aspot and took the wrong airport car and they a re just trying to help out.=C2- =0A=0A=0AYaeeee, definitely a marketing p loy. =0A=0ADo no archive=0A=C2-=0A-Scott Schmidt=0A=C2-=0A=C2-=0A=0A_ _______________________________=0A=0AFrom:Deems Davis =0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Mon, March 28, 2011 7:39:05 PM=0ASub ject: RV10-List: Flight Guide - Airguide publications=0A=C2-=0A=C2-=0Am atronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-L ist=================http://forums.matroni cs.com=0Am ==================C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2 -=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin.=0A=C2-=0A=0A________________________________=0A=0ANo virus found in this message.=0AChecked by AVG - www.avg.com=0AVersion: 10. ====== ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:47:38 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Flight Guide - Airguide publications Bruce, if you want a new subject, why don't you start it with a subject line other than Flight Guide - Airguide publications... Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD do not archive On 3/29/2011 4:18 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: > OK New subject, Has anybody else had issue with the B&C backup > alternator? Mine keeps flashing and setting off my audio warning. It > used to just come on at low RPM and go off after around 1800, now it > come on during flight with no apparent reason. My voltage is steady , > around 14.1 or 2. Any one else seen this issue??? > Thanks Bruce 151BJ 44.5 hrs > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Robin Marks > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Tue, March 29, 2011 7:53:09 AM > *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: Flight Guide - Airguide publications > > Maybe my favorite line from the visionary film. Ghostbusters... Print > is dead Airguides type publications are dead man walking in the world > of electronic guides & digital data. > > Robin > > Do Not Archive > > *From:*owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > ] *On Behalf Of *Scott Schmidt > *Sent:* Monday, March 28, 2011 9:19 PM > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Flight Guide - Airguide publications > > Hmmmmmmm, Deems it is either a marketing ploy or someone at your airport > or another airport heard you fly in to the wrong airport, on the wrong > frequency, landed on the wrong runway, taxied on the wrong taxi way, > tied down in the wrong spot and took the wrong airport car and they are > just trying to help out. > > Yaeeee, definitely a marketing ploy. > > Do no archive > > -Scott Schmidt > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:*Deems Davis > > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Mon, March 28, 2011 7:39:05 PM > *Subject:* RV10-List: Flight Guide - Airguide publications > > * * > > * * > > ** > > = the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, > matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List================ > > http://forums.matronics.com ================ > > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > > * * > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.120 > > *http://forums.m=== > > * > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:20:03 PM PST US From: "DLM" Subject: RV10-List: brake linings Anyone found a good source for Rapco RA66-112 (Cleveland equivalent is 066-11200)? Spruce does not carry and Vans wants $60 + for a set of Clevelands. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:34:23 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: brake linings From: Kelly McMullen http://www.trade-a-plane.com/detail/1258510.html Aircraft Supply in PA...$18.50 It is also used on the Beech Skipper On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 4:31 PM, DLM wrote: > Anyone found a good source for Rapco RA66-112 (Cleveland equivalent is > 066-11200)? Spruce does not carry and Vans wants $60 + for a set of > Clevelands. > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:22:43 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: brake linings Spruce has carried them in the past. I just found them online I think from Skygeek.com too for $18.99 each. There are no Rapco's available yet. Rapco is in the process of making them and getting them out but they said 2-3 more months. I started talking to them back in 2006 or 2007 about making them for the RV-10 and they're finally about to get them in production. They told me last week that when they're available, Desser Tire will have them first, but that it will at least be 2-3 months yet. For now, your only choice is Cleveland. Oh, and I saw that Desser will likely be selling them for $16.99, so sadly, it's not going to be a huge savings...only $8 for a complete brake job. Tim On 3/29/2011 6:31 PM, DLM wrote: > Anyone found a good source for Rapco RA66-112 (Cleveland equivalent is > 066-11200)? Spruce does not carry and Vans wants $60 + for a set of > Clevelands. > > * ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:40:22 PM PST US From: Don McDonald Subject: Re: RV10-List: brake linings Just talked to the Rapco guys here at Sun and Fun, and they are going to go ahead and release them to Desser for sale... prior to attaining the FAA blessing.... probably 2 to 3 weeks, and at a much better price. Don McDonald Here at Lakeland in my RV41. ________________________________ From: DLM Sent: Tue, March 29, 2011 6:31:55 PM Subject: RV10-List: brake linings Anyone found a good source for Rapco RA66-112 (Cleveland equivalent is 066-11200)? Spruce does not carry and Vans wants $60 + for a set of Clevelands. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:43:46 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Brakes and wheels info From: Tim Olson Another nice RV-10 builder tipped me off that a couple of offsite links to nice wheel/brake parts diagrams were broken so I did one better and found them again, along with more stuff. Towards the bottom of this page are some links you may want for future maintenance an parts needs. http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/maintenance/20061104/index.html Have at it! Tim ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:30:36 PM PST US From: "Pascal" Subject: Re: RV10-List: brake linings desser carries them http://www.vansaircrafttires.com/categories/RV%252d10/Brakes/ From: DLM Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 4:31 PM Subject: RV10-List: brake linings Anyone found a good source for Rapco RA66-112 (Cleveland equivalent is 066-11200)? Spruce does not carry and Vans wants $60 + for a set of Clevelands. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:24:20 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: brake linings I hope the "much better" that Desser is advertising them for ends up changing to a real actual "much" better. The Clevelands I saw for $18.99. Desser wanted $16.99 for the Rapcos. I think many other types of pads are under $10 for Rapco's. If they can't do better than cutting $2 off, I can't consider it "much". I'd love to see them for $10 each. Tim On 3/29/2011 8:54 PM, Don McDonald wrote: > Just talked to the Rapco guys here at Sun and Fun, and they are going to > go ahead and release them to Desser for sale... prior to attaining the > FAA blessing.... probably 2 to 3 weeks, and at a much better price. > Don McDonald > Here at Lakeland in my RV41. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* DLM > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Tue, March 29, 2011 6:31:55 PM > *Subject:* RV10-List: brake linings > > Anyone found a good source for Rapco RA66-112 (Cleveland equivalent is > 066-11200)? Spruce does not carry and Vans wants $60 + for a set of > Clevelands. > > * ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.