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1. 08:27 AM - Door Pin Lube? (Phillip Perry)
2. 08:42 AM - Re: Door Pin Lube? (Kelly McMullen)
3. 08:45 AM - Re: Door Pin Lube? (Tim Olson)
4. 08:45 AM - Re: Door Pin Lube? (Pascal)
5. 09:03 AM - Re: Door Pin Lube? (Kelly McMullen)
6. 09:14 AM - Re: Door Pin Lube? (Seano)
7. 09:21 AM - Re: Door Pin Lube? (Seano)
8. 09:23 AM - Re: Door Pin Lube? (Phillip Perry)
9. 09:27 AM - Re: "Worn Out" CT-Q67 Cable Assembly (Warning!) (John Cox)
10. 09:29 AM - Re: Door Pin Lube? (Phillip Perry)
11. 09:50 AM - Re: Door Pin Lube? (Seano)
12. 10:11 AM - Re: Door Pin Lube? (Phillip Perry)
13. 01:44 PM - Re: Door Pin Lube? (gary)
14. 07:15 PM - Re: Door Pin Lube? (rv10flyer)
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Good Monday morning....
The J.O.B. is slowing down a bit and that's giving me a chance to get
started on the airplane again. :)
Last night I was installing the door pins in one of the doors and while I
can operate them with one hand I still feel like they're tight. I put a
slight bend in the rear pin but that didn't seem to help too much. The only
thing I can figure is that it's simply drag between the pins and the delrin
blocks.
Is there a lube that others have used to free up the friction?
I'm using Sean's kit if that matters.
Thanks,
Phil "Finally back to building!" Perry
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| Subject: | Re: Door Pin Lube? |
I put a few drops of Triflow on mine, but Boelube is probably just as
good. Mainly want something that is a dry paraffin or silicone type
lube, that won't attract dirt.
On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 8:24 AM, Phillip Perry <philperry9@gmail.com> wrote:
> Good Monday morning....
>
> The J.O.B. is slowing down a bit and that's giving me a chance to get
> started on the airplane again. :)
>
> Last night I was installing the door pins in one of the doors and while I
> can operate them with one hand I still feel like they're tight. I put a
> slight bend in the rear pin but that didn't seem to help too much. The only
> thing I can figure is that it's simply drag between the pins and the delrin
> blocks.
>
> Is there a lube that others have used to free up the friction?
>
> I'm using Sean's kit if that matters.
>
> Thanks,
> Phil "Finally back to building!" Perry
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Door Pin Lube? |
I've been using lithium grease on the pins now, done maybe
2-3 times a year...but I only started last year. I was
amazed at how much easier they operated.
I'm sure other greases would work too. Lithium seems to
clean up easy.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 4/18/2011 10:24 AM, Phillip Perry wrote:
> Good Monday morning....
>
> The J.O.B. is slowing down a bit and that's giving me a chance to get
> started on the airplane again. :)
>
> Last night I was installing the door pins in one of the doors and while
> I can operate them with one hand I still feel like they're tight. I put
> a slight bend in the rear pin but that didn't seem to help too much.
> The only thing I can figure is that it's simply drag between the pins
> and the delrin blocks.
>
> Is there a lube that others have used to free up the friction?
>
> I'm using Sean's kit if that matters.
>
> Thanks,
> Phil "Finally back to building!" Perry
>
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| Subject: | Re: Door Pin Lube? |
Do yourself a huge favor. Toss the delrin and get the aluminum.
You=99ll find the door will close easier and it will be much more
secure than the Delrin blocks.
From: Phillip Perry
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 8:24 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Door Pin Lube?
Good Monday morning....
The J.O.B. is slowing down a bit and that's giving me a chance to get
started on the airplane again. :)
Last night I was installing the door pins in one of the doors and while
I can operate them with one hand I still feel like they're tight. I put
a slight bend in the rear pin but that didn't seem to help too much.
The only thing I can figure is that it's simply drag between the pins
and the delrin blocks.
Is there a lube that others have used to free up the friction?
I'm using Sean's kit if that matters.
Thanks,
Phil "Finally back to building!" Perry
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| Subject: | Re: Door Pin Lube? |
Delrin is NOT the problem. UHMW that Vans supplies is the problem.
Specifically the pin guides on the door itself. Delrin is an
excellent self lubing material, much more resistant to wear, harder
material than the UHMW. Does someone offer pin guides for the door in
other than Van's UHMW? The stuff that Sean and Steve(iflyrv10) are the
door frame side guides.
On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 8:42 AM, Pascal <rv10flyer@verizon.net> wrote:
> Do yourself a huge favor. Toss the delrin and get the aluminum. Youll find
> the door will close easier and it will be much more secure than the Delrin
> blocks.
>
> From: Phillip Perry
> Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 8:24 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Door Pin Lube?
>
> Good Monday morning....
>
> The J.O.B. is slowing down a bit and that's giving me a chance to get
> started on the airplane again. :)
>
> Last night I was installing the door pins in one of the doors and while I
> can operate them with one hand I still feel like they're tight. I put a
> slight bend in the rear pin but that didn't seem to help too much. The only
> thing I can figure is that it's simply drag between the pins and the delrin
> blocks.
>
> Is there a lube that others have used to free up the friction?
>
> I'm using Sean's kit if that matters.
>
> Thanks,
> Phil "Finally back to building!" Perry
>
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Door Pin Lube? |
My door pin guides (180) kit and my fuselage guides come in Delrin.
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 18, 2011, at 10:00, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Delrin is NOT the problem. UHMW that Vans supplies is the problem.
> Specifically the pin guides on the door itself. Delrin is an
> excellent self lubing material, much more resistant to wear, harder
> material than the UHMW. Does someone offer pin guides for the door in
> other than Van's UHMW? The stuff that Sean and Steve(iflyrv10) are the
> door frame side guides.
>
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 8:42 AM, Pascal <rv10flyer@verizon.net> wrote:
>> Do yourself a huge favor. Toss the delrin and get the aluminum. Youll find
>> the door will close easier and it will be much more secure than the Delrin
>> blocks.
>>
>> From: Phillip Perry
>> Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 8:24 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: Door Pin Lube?
>>
>> Good Monday morning....
>>
>> The J.O.B. is slowing down a bit and that's giving me a chance to get
>> started on the airplane again. :)
>>
>> Last night I was installing the door pins in one of the doors and while I
>> can operate them with one hand I still feel like they're tight. I put a
>> slight bend in the rear pin but that didn't seem to help too much. The only
>> thing I can figure is that it's simply drag between the pins and the delrin
>> blocks.
>>
>> Is there a lube that others have used to free up the friction?
>>
>> I'm using Sean's kit if that matters.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Phil "Finally back to building!" Perry
>>
>>
>>
>> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Door Pin Lube? |
Phil.
It is probably not the Delrin. Does your handle turn easy if the door is ope
n? Do you think it is the alignment on the fuselage guides or the door guid
es? If it is on the fuselage try paralleling the pushrod movement into the f
uselage guide with a 7/16 reamer. Feel free to call me. I have done a bunch o
f these.
8015803737
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 18, 2011, at 9:24, Phillip Perry <philperry9@gmail.com> wrote:
> Good Monday morning....
>
> The J.O.B. is slowing down a bit and that's giving me a chance to get star
ted on the airplane again. :)
>
> Last night I was installing the door pins in one of the doors and while I c
an operate them with one hand I still feel like they're tight. I put a slig
ht bend in the rear pin but that didn't seem to help too much. The only thi
ng I can figure is that it's simply drag between the pins and the delrin blo
cks.
>
> Is there a lube that others have used to free up the friction?
>
> I'm using Sean's kit if that matters.
>
> Thanks,
> Phil "Finally back to building!" Perry
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Door Pin Lube? |
Does someone offer pin guides for the door in other than Van's UHMW?
Yeah - Sean's kit is delrin. It's much nicer, smoother, and harder than the
UHMW that shipped with Vans.
Phil
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| Subject: | "Worn Out" CT-Q67 Cable Assembly (Warning!) |
Instrument Sales and Service on Airport Way, Portland, OR. They
manufacture for the OEM and will make any length, got a set once in 20
minutes during a lunch 1/2 hour. The initial lengths can sometimes be
problematically too short or slightly too long. Just right is a good
thing.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DLM
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 5:37 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: "Worn Out" CT-Q67 Cable Assembly (Warning!)
Contact John in purchasing at Vans; I had the same problem (at 400 TT)
with
quadrant prop and mixture; He acknowledged that these are made from
Cablecraft Tuthill parts by an Oregon company and should last to TBO. It
was
a PITA changing these with the engine on the airframe.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle@matronics.com>
<rv12-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 3:23 PM
Subject: RV10-List: "Worn Out" CT-Q67 Cable Assembly (Warning!)
>
> Dear Listers,
>
> At 170 hours on my RV-8 now, the Prop control had become increasing
more
> difficult to move starting around 100 hours. The Mixture and Throttle
> have worked fine and continue to. All three controls use the standard
> "Green" control cables from Vans, typically a "CT-Qxx" part.
>
> A couple of weeks ago, I disassembled the Governor end of the assembly
and
> made sure that there was no binding or issues on that end. I even
lightly
> lubed up the various moving bits. Yesterday, the Prop control became
so
> difficult to move that I had trouble cycling the prop during run up.
I
> pulled the whole throttle quadrant installation apart today to have a
> look. I got the cable completely out of the airplane and there are NO
> outward signs of wear or abuse of *any kind*. But even with the cable
> completely out of the plane and nothing connected to either end, it is
> almost impossible to move the cable!! I have a new CT-Q67 cable
assembly
> for my front-mounted governor installation and I'm going to install
that
> next.
>
> But, I wanted to give everyone a heads up on these CT-Q controls.
These
> things are built like they go on a Caterpillar Tractor, so I can't
figure
> out why they would wear out like this.
>
> If one of these controls starts getting stiff and tight, its probably
not
> going to get any better. Replace it before it becomes a safety issue!
> Not a big deal on the Prop control, but on a throttle or mixture it
could
> be a serious concern.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Matt
>
> -
> Matt Dralle
> RV-8 #82880 N998RV
> http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Blog
> http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
> Status: 170+ Hours Total Time Since May 2 2010 Test Flight!
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Door Pin Lube? |
Sean,
It's still simply sitting on the bench. I haven't bolted it to the airframe
and drilled those holes yet.
Phil
On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Seano <sean@braunandco.com> wrote:
> Phil.
>
> It is probably not the Delrin. Does your handle turn easy if the door is
> open? Do you think it is the alignment on the fuselage guides or the door
> guides? If it is on the fuselage try paralleling the pushrod movement into
> the fuselage guide with a 7/16 reamer. Feel free to call me. I have done a
> bunch of these.
> 8015803737
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Door Pin Lube? |
I dont have my computer with me so I can't tell you you bought the 90 or the
180 kit. If you want the delrin sleeves for the door guides Let me know. Th
ey come with the 180 kits. The whole mechanism should have little drag even
after everything is installed with the seal in place.
Sean
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 18, 2011, at 10:26, Phillip Perry <philperry9@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sean,
>
> It's still simply sitting on the bench. I haven't bolted it to the airfra
me and drilled those holes yet.
>
> Phil
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Seano <sean@braunandco.com> wrote:
> Phil.
>
> It is probably not the Delrin. Does your handle turn easy if the door is o
pen? Do you think it is the alignment on the fuselage guides or the door gu
ides? If it is on the fuselage try paralleling the pushrod movement into th
e fuselage guide with a 7/16 reamer. Feel free to call me. I have done a bun
ch of these.
> 8015803737
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Door Pin Lube? |
I'm a 180 kind of guy. I think it's simply friction because they are pretty
firm to push on.
Phil
On Apr 18, 2011 11:53 AM, "Seano" <sean@braunandco.com> wrote:
> I dont have my computer with me so I can't tell you you bought the 90 or
the 180 kit. If you want the delrin sleeves for the door guides Let me know.
They come with the 180 kits. The whole mechanism should have little drag
even after everything is installed with the seal in place.
>
>
> Sean
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 18, 2011, at 10:26, Phillip Perry <philperry9@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Sean,
>>
>> It's still simply sitting on the bench. I haven't bolted it to the
airframe and drilled those holes yet.
>>
>> Phil
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Seano <sean@braunandco.com> wrote:
>> Phil.
>>
>> It is probably not the Delrin. Does your handle turn easy if the door is
open? Do you think it is the alignment on the fuselage guides or the door
guides? If it is on the fuselage try paralleling the pushrod movement into
the fuselage guide with a 7/16 reamer. Feel free to call me. I have done a
bunch of these.
>> 8015803737
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>>
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Do not!!!!!!! Get silicone any where near your unpainted aircraft. It
causes fish eyes when you go to paint, and it migrates everywhere.
Gary Specketer
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 10:37 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Door Pin Lube?
I put a few drops of Triflow on mine, but Boelube is probably just as
good. Mainly want something that is a dry paraffin or silicone type
lube, that won't attract dirt.
On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 8:24 AM, Phillip Perry <philperry9@gmail.com> wrote:
> Good Monday morning....
>
> The J.O.B. is slowing down a bit and that's giving me a chance to get
> started on the airplane again. :)
>
> Last night I was installing the door pins in one of the doors and while I
> can operate them with one hand I still feel like they're tight. I put a
> slight bend in the rear pin but that didn't seem to help too much. The
only
> thing I can figure is that it's simply drag between the pins and the
delrin
> blocks.
>
> Is there a lube that others have used to free up the friction?
>
> I'm using Sean's kit if that matters.
>
> Thanks,
> Phil "Finally back to building!" Perry
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Door Pin Lube? |
I opened the holes on Sean's kit and on Van's uhmw/bulkheads until friction was
where I liked it. If you don't take care of the increased drag of the doors now
it will really increase once on the plane. I also took a chunk of boelube and
rubbed it across all gear teeth then used a propane torch to melt it in slightly
before final latch assembly(no fiberglass nearby during this procedure).
Smooth as can be now. If you look back in the holes in the airframe once your
doors are on and latches actuated, you will notice areas that are darker than
others. Those are the areas to take down some. I sanded with 180 then vacuumed
holes out. I put a small amount of vaseline on mine. Hey, whatever works to
decrease the friction right? My doors sitting static are 1/4" away from cabin
surface and I can close with thumb on the button release and one finger on the
handle. Thanks again Sean for my extra safety latch that does not stick out of
the door exterior and require another hand to operate.
--------
Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08
Bldr# 40983 SB Started 12/1/09.
Fuselage Sec 46 Eng mount/Gear- 1359 hrs to date.
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