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1. 08:46 AM - Re: Re: I-Pad2 and Bad elf question (Alan Mekler)
2. 09:22 AM - Re: Re: I-Pad2 and Bad elf question (Tim Olson)
3. 10:36 AM - Re: Re: I-Pad2 and Bad elf question (Michael Kraus)
4. 10:42 AM - Re: Re: I-Pad2 and Bad elf question (Alan Mekler)
5. 10:48 AM - Foreflight centering button (Sheldon Olesen)
6. 10:49 AM - Re: Re: I-Pad2 and Bad elf question (Alan Mekler)
7. 11:21 AM - Re: Re: I-Pad2 and Bad elf question (Tim Olson)
8. 12:01 PM - Iphone / Android (DLM)
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| Subject: | Re: I-Pad2 and Bad elf question |
Tim,
I starting using the Dual xgps150 Bluetooth gps with my ipad2. It works
great and has an app that shows battery life as well as satellites and
displays your position on Google earth. It locks on fast. I=99m
using foreflight and considering changing to wingX when my foreflight
subscription expires in May. One thing I don=99t like about
foreflight is the plane moves and you have to move the map image to keep
up with it. This requires attention constantly if you are zoomed in. Is
wing X the same way? If would be nice to have a moving map program on
the IPAD not a moving airplane.
Alan
N668G
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: I-Pad2 and Bad elf question
I didn't really care about altitude. IMHO, lateral is really the only
thing that matters. Trusting any cheap gps for vertical guidance isn't
something I'd want to to. That said, my ipad 2 gps was pretty close to
actual altitude when I looked a couple times on this trip. But, you're
better off using baro altitudes. If you're relying on the ipad to be a
backup vertical approach gps, bad elf or not, you're putting too much
faith in it.
Tim
On Apr 10, 2011, at 9:33 AM, Phillip Perry <philperry9@gmail.com> wrote:
My internal was absolutely perfect last night on the iPad 2.
On Apr 10, 2011 9:30 AM, "Kelly McMullen" <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> How is the altitude accuracy in GPS only mode? I notice substantial
> improvement with WAAS equipped GPS vs non-WAAS on altitude, not so
> much in horizontal position. Has anyone compared having Bad Elf vs
> internal?
>
> On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 5:38 AM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
> >
> > Exactly. The gps in my iPhone 3GS was less quick than either my
AT&T or verizon ipad. The worst thing about either is just that you
can't put it in full airplane mode. Other than that, it works well. I
wish the gps chip was separate and you could turn it on separately. But
what Jason said works good.
> > Tim
>
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| Subject: | Re: I-Pad2 and Bad elf question |
Awesome. Sorry so short...am driving. Just checked it in the car and Wingx m
oves the map so it would work.
Tim
On Apr 23, 2011, at 10:39 PM, "Alan Mekler" <amekler@metrocast.net> wrote:
> Tim,
>
> I starting using the Dual xgps150 Bluetooth gps with my ipad2. It works gr
eat and has an app that shows battery life as well as satellites and display
s your position on Google earth. It locks on fast. I=99m using forefli
ght and considering changing to wingX when my foreflight subscription expire
s in May. One thing I don=99t like about foreflight is the plane moves
and you have to move the map image to keep up with it. This requires attent
ion constantly if you are zoomed in. Is wing X the same way? If would be ni
ce to have a moving map program on the IPAD not a moving airplane.
>
> Alan
>
> N668G
>
>
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@
matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 11:46 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: I-Pad2 and Bad elf question
>
>
>
> I didn't really care about altitude. IMHO, lateral is really the only thi
ng that matters. Trusting any cheap gps for vertical guidance isn't somethi
ng I'd want to to. That said, my ipad 2 gps was pretty close to actual alti
tude when I looked a couple times on this trip. But, you're better off usin
g baro altitudes. If you're relying on the ipad to be a backup vertical app
roach gps, bad elf or not, you're putting too much faith in it.
>
> Tim
>
>
>
> On Apr 10, 2011, at 9:33 AM, Phillip Perry <philperry9@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> My internal was absolutely perfect last night on the iPad 2.
> On Apr 10, 2011 9:30 AM, "Kelly McMullen" <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > How is the altitude accuracy in GPS only mode? I notice substantial
> > improvement with WAAS equipped GPS vs non-WAAS on altitude, not so
> > much in horizontal position. Has anyone compared having Bad Elf vs
> > internal?
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 5:38 AM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Exactly. The gps in my iPhone 3GS was less quick than either my AT&T o
r verizon ipad. The worst thing about either is just that you can't put it i
n full airplane mode. Other than that, it works well. I wish the gps chip w
as separate and you could turn it on separately. But what Jason said works g
ood.
> > > Tim
> >
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| Subject: | Re: I-Pad2 and Bad elf question |
Foreflight moves the map, you just need to hit the little arrow or triangle i
con. It will recenter the map on the plane and keep the plane in the center
of the map. Unless you touch and zoom or zoom out, then you need to hit th
e little arrow icon again.
I haven't used WingX yet, but I absolutely love Foreflight!
-Mike Kraus
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 23, 2011, at 11:39 PM, "Alan Mekler" <amekler@metrocast.net> wrote:
> Tim,
>
> I starting using the Dual xgps150 Bluetooth gps with my ipad2. It works gr
eat and has an app that shows battery life as well as satellites and display
s your position on Google earth. It locks on fast. I=99m using forefli
ght and considering changing to wingX when my foreflight subscription expire
s in May. One thing I don=99t like about foreflight is the plane moves
and you have to move the map image to keep up with it. This requires attent
ion constantly if you are zoomed in. Is wing X the same way? If would be ni
ce to have a moving map program on the IPAD not a moving airplane.
>
> Alan
>
> N668G
>
>
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@
matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 11:46 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: I-Pad2 and Bad elf question
>
>
>
> I didn't really care about altitude. IMHO, lateral is really the only thi
ng that matters. Trusting any cheap gps for vertical guidance isn't somethi
ng I'd want to to. That said, my ipad 2 gps was pretty close to actual alti
tude when I looked a couple times on this trip. But, you're better off usin
g baro altitudes. If you're relying on the ipad to be a backup vertical app
roach gps, bad elf or not, you're putting too much faith in it.
>
> Tim
>
>
>
> On Apr 10, 2011, at 9:33 AM, Phillip Perry <philperry9@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> My internal was absolutely perfect last night on the iPad 2.
> On Apr 10, 2011 9:30 AM, "Kelly McMullen" <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > How is the altitude accuracy in GPS only mode? I notice substantial
> > improvement with WAAS equipped GPS vs non-WAAS on altitude, not so
> > much in horizontal position. Has anyone compared having Bad Elf vs
> > internal?
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 5:38 AM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Exactly. The gps in my iPhone 3GS was less quick than either my AT&T o
r verizon ipad. The worst thing about either is just that you can't put it i
n full airplane mode. Other than that, it works well. I wish the gps chip w
as separate and you could turn it on separately. But what Jason said works g
ood.
> > > Tim
> >
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| Subject: | Re: I-Pad2 and Bad elf question |
Tim,
I just got this reply from foreflight. I don=99t have the HD
version. Deciding which on to go with .
Alan
Hi Alan,
No problem. The charts in ForeFlight HD can be used in either mode
(moving map/moving airplane). To toggle this, use the crosshairs icon in
the far upper right of the 'Maps' view.
Note that if you toggle this on, the map will stay centered on your
aircraft and you won't have to pan the map- but if you *do* pan the map
manually, the auto-center feature disengages, so you'd need to use the
icon again to re-engage.
Give that a try and let us know if you continue to have difficulty or
any other questions arise -- we're happy to help!
Best Regards,
Jeff Schuster
ForeFlight Customer Support
ForeFlight LLC
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 12:17 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: I-Pad2 and Bad elf question
Awesome. Sorry so short...am driving. Just checked it in the car and
Wingx moves the map so it would work.
Tim
On Apr 23, 2011, at 10:39 PM, "Alan Mekler" <amekler@metrocast.net>
wrote:
Tim,
I starting using the Dual xgps150 Bluetooth gps with my ipad2. It works
great and has an app that shows battery life as well as satellites and
displays your position on Google earth. It locks on fast. I=99m
using foreflight and considering changing to wingX when my foreflight
subscription expires in May. One thing I don=99t like about
foreflight is the plane moves and you have to move the map image to keep
up with it. This requires attention constantly if you are zoomed in. Is
wing X the same way? If would be nice to have a moving map program on
the IPAD not a moving airplane.
Alan
N668G
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: I-Pad2 and Bad elf question
I didn't really care about altitude. IMHO, lateral is really the only
thing that matters. Trusting any cheap gps for vertical guidance isn't
something I'd want to to. That said, my ipad 2 gps was pretty close to
actual altitude when I looked a couple times on this trip. But, you're
better off using baro altitudes. If you're relying on the ipad to be a
backup vertical approach gps, bad elf or not, you're putting too much
faith in it.
Tim
On Apr 10, 2011, at 9:33 AM, Phillip Perry <philperry9@gmail.com> wrote:
My internal was absolutely perfect last night on the iPad 2.
On Apr 10, 2011 9:30 AM, "Kelly McMullen" <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> How is the altitude accuracy in GPS only mode? I notice substantial
> improvement with WAAS equipped GPS vs non-WAAS on altitude, not so
> much in horizontal position. Has anyone compared having Bad Elf vs
> internal?
>
> On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 5:38 AM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
> >
> > Exactly. The gps in my iPhone 3GS was less quick than either my
AT&T or verizon ipad. The worst thing about either is just that you
can't put it in full airplane mode. Other than that, it works well. I
wish the gps chip was separate and you could turn it on separately. But
what Jason said works good.
> > Tim
>
>
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| Subject: | Foreflight centering button |
Hi Alan,
Foreflight does have a centering button. It is in the upper right corner of the
map page-- it is a circle with 4 short lines on the cardial points. It took
me awhile to find it too.
Sheldon Olesen
N475PV.
Sent from my iPad
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| Subject: | Re: I-Pad2 and Bad elf question |
Mike,
I don=99t have the HD version so I don=99t have this
feature.
Alan
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Kraus
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: I-Pad2 and Bad elf question
Foreflight moves the map, you just need to hit the little arrow or
triangle icon. It will recenter the map on the plane and keep the plane
in the center of the map. Unless you touch and zoom or zoom out, then
you need to hit the little arrow icon again.
I haven't used WingX yet, but I absolutely love Foreflight!
-Mike Kraus
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 23, 2011, at 11:39 PM, "Alan Mekler" <amekler@metrocast.net>
wrote:
Tim,
I starting using the Dual xgps150 Bluetooth gps with my ipad2. It works
great and has an app that shows battery life as well as satellites and
displays your position on Google earth. It locks on fast. I=99m
using foreflight and considering changing to wingX when my foreflight
subscription expires in May. One thing I don=99t like about
foreflight is the plane moves and you have to move the map image to keep
up with it. This requires attention constantly if you are zoomed in. Is
wing X the same way? If would be nice to have a moving map program on
the IPAD not a moving airplane.
Alan
N668G
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: I-Pad2 and Bad elf question
I didn't really care about altitude. IMHO, lateral is really the only
thing that matters. Trusting any cheap gps for vertical guidance isn't
something I'd want to to. That said, my ipad 2 gps was pretty close to
actual altitude when I looked a couple times on this trip. But, you're
better off using baro altitudes. If you're relying on the ipad to be a
backup vertical approach gps, bad elf or not, you're putting too much
faith in it.
Tim
On Apr 10, 2011, at 9:33 AM, Phillip Perry <philperry9@gmail.com> wrote:
My internal was absolutely perfect last night on the iPad 2.
On Apr 10, 2011 9:30 AM, "Kelly McMullen" <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> How is the altitude accuracy in GPS only mode? I notice substantial
> improvement with WAAS equipped GPS vs non-WAAS on altitude, not so
> much in horizontal position. Has anyone compared having Bad Elf vs
> internal?
>
> On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 5:38 AM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
> >
> > Exactly. The gps in my iPhone 3GS was less quick than either my
AT&T or verizon ipad. The worst thing about either is just that you
can't put it in full airplane mode. Other than that, it works well. I
wish the gps chip was separate and you could turn it on separately. But
what Jason said works good.
> > Tim
>
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| Subject: | Re: I-Pad2 and Bad elf question |
That's one thing about foreflight....they have awesome support.
WingX is beating them in in-flight features but they still have zoom-to-TAC c
hart and the best filing/briefing/weather, so I can't see dropping them, eve
n though I use WingX more while flying. In contrast I basically never use W
ingx on the ground.
Tim
On Apr 24, 2011, at 12:36 AM, "Alan Mekler" <amekler@metrocast.net> wrote:
> Tim,
>
> I just got this reply from foreflight. I don=99t have the HD version
. Deciding which on to go with .
>
> Alan
>
> Hi Alan,
>
>
>
> No problem. The charts in ForeFlight HD can be used in either mode (moving
map/moving airplane). To toggle this, use the crosshairs icon in the far up
per right of the 'Maps' view.
>
>
>
> Note that if you toggle this on, the map will stay centered on your aircra
ft and you won't have to pan the map- but if you *do* pan the map manually, t
he auto-center feature disengages, so you'd need to use the icon again to re
-engage.
>
>
>
> Give that a try and let us know if you continue to have difficulty or any o
ther questions arise -- we're happy to help!
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Jeff Schuster
>
> ForeFlight Customer Support
>
> ForeFlight LLC
>
>
>
>
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@
matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 12:17 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: I-Pad2 and Bad elf question
>
>
>
> Awesome. Sorry so short...am driving. Just checked it in the car and Wing
x moves the map so it would work.
>
> Tim
>
>
>
> On Apr 23, 2011, at 10:39 PM, "Alan Mekler" <amekler@metrocast.net> wrote:
>
> Tim,
>
> I starting using the Dual xgps150 Bluetooth gps with my ipad2. It works gr
eat and has an app that shows battery life as well as satellites and display
s your position on Google earth. It locks on fast. I=99m using forefli
ght and considering changing to wingX when my foreflight subscription expire
s in May. One thing I don=99t like about foreflight is the plane moves
and you have to move the map image to keep up with it. This requires attent
ion constantly if you are zoomed in. Is wing X the same way? If would be ni
ce to have a moving map program on the IPAD not a moving airplane.
>
> Alan
>
> N668G
>
>
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@
matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 11:46 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: I-Pad2 and Bad elf question
>
>
>
> I didn't really care about altitude. IMHO, lateral is really the only thi
ng that matters. Trusting any cheap gps for vertical guidance isn't somethi
ng I'd want to to. That said, my ipad 2 gps was pretty close to actual alti
tude when I looked a couple times on this trip. But, you're better off usin
g baro altitudes. If you're relying on the ipad to be a backup vertical app
roach gps, bad elf or not, you're putting too much faith in it.
>
> Tim
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 10, 2011, at 9:33 AM, Phillip Perry <philperry9@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> My internal was absolutely perfect last night on the iPad 2.
> On Apr 10, 2011 9:30 AM, "Kelly McMullen" <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > How is the altitude accuracy in GPS only mode? I notice substantial
> > improvement with WAAS equipped GPS vs non-WAAS on altitude, not so
> > much in horizontal position. Has anyone compared having Bad Elf vs
> > internal?
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 5:38 AM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Exactly. The gps in my iPhone 3GS was less quick than either my AT&T o
r verizon ipad. The worst thing about either is just that you can't put it i
n full airplane mode. Other than that, it works well. I wish the gps chip w
as separate and you could turn it on separately. But what Jason said works g
ood.
> > > Tim
> >
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| Subject: | Iphone / Android |
It seems there are a lot of Iphone users among the 10 list. Perhaps need
to review the article.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703983704576277101723453610
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