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Wed 04/27/11


Total Messages Posted: 16



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 12:58 PM - Ted Chang (Bob Leffler)
     2. 02:50 PM - Re: Ted Chang (Alan Mekler MD)
     3. 03:45 PM - Re: Ted Chang (David Leikam)
     4. 04:16 PM - Re: Ted Chang (Pascal)
     5. 05:22 PM - Re: Ted Chang (pilotdds)
     6. 06:31 PM - Re: Ted Chang (Bob Leffler)
     7. 06:44 PM - Trutrak autopilot (DLM)
     8. 07:00 PM - Re: Trutrak autopilot (Rene)
     9. 07:03 PM - Re: Ted Chang (Phil Perry)
    10. 07:25 PM - Re: Ted Chang (Pascal)
    11. 07:37 PM - Re: Ted Chang (Kelly McMullen)
    12. 07:46 PM - Re: Ted Chang (David Leikam)
    13. 07:53 PM - Re: Ted Chang (Phillip Perry)
    14. 08:30 PM - Re: Ted Chang (Sean Stephens)
    15. 08:42 PM - Re: Ted Chang (Les Kearney)
    16. 09:31 PM - Re: Ted Chang (Bob Turner)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:58:59 PM PST US
    From: Bob Leffler <rv@thelefflers.com>
    Subject: Ted Chang
    Ted just posted to facebook that he had an inflight fire and landed 4nm off a irport during his phase 1. Ted is ok, but the rv-10's gear collapsed. The re was no mention as to the cause of the fire. He posted some photos to facebook Sent from my iPhone__,_._,___


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    Time: 02:50:12 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Ted Chang
    From: Alan Mekler MD <amekler@metrocast.net>
    Too many Ted changs on face book Sent from my iPhone On Apr 27, 2011, at 3:39 PM, Bob Leffler <rv@thelefflers.com> wrote: > > Ted just posted to facebook that he had an inflight fire and landed 4nm of f airport during his phase 1. Ted is ok, but the rv-10's gear collapsed. T here was no mention as to the cause of the fire. > > He posted some photos to facebook > > Sent from my iPhone__,_._,___ > > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >


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    Time: 03:45:26 PM PST US
    From: David Leikam <daveleikam@wi.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Ted Chang
    http://newsodrome.com/aviation_news/ted-s-plane-and-the-voice-25394830 David Leikam RV10 Flying On Apr 27, 2011, at 2:39 PM, Bob Leffler wrote: > > Ted just posted to facebook that he had an inflight fire and landed 4nm off airport during his phase 1. Ted is ok, but the rv-10's gear collapsed. There was no mention as to the cause of the fire. > > He posted some photos to facebook > > Sent from my iPhone__,_._,___ > > > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D >


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    Time: 04:16:39 PM PST US
    From: "Pascal" <rv10flyer@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: Ted Chang
    Really sad, but good Ted walked away. Be interesting to know what happened? does not look like any fire damage to the aircraft. Pascal From: David Leikam Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 3:39 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Ted Chang http://newsodrome.com/aviation_news/ted-s-plane-and-the-voice-25394830 David Leikam RV10 Flying On Apr 27, 2011, at 2:39 PM, Bob Leffler wrote: Ted just posted to facebook that he had an inflight fire and landed 4nm off airport during his phase 1. Ted is ok, but the rv-10's gear collapsed. There was no mention as to the cause of the fire. He posted some photos to facebook Sent from my iPhone__,_._,___ 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D href="x-msg://1484/3D%22http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List%22 ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D href="x-msg://1484/3D%22http://forums.matronics.com%22">http://forums.m atronics.com 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D href="x-msg://1484/3D%22http://www.matronics.com/contribution%22">http: //www.matronics.com/contribution 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D


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    Time: 05:22:20 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Ted Chang
    From: pilotdds <pilotdds@aol.com>
    Glad Ted walked away-wonder what happened to the door,Inflight fire is a sc ary thing-Hope you regroup and get back in the air quickly -----Original Message----- From: Pascal <rv10flyer@verizon.net> Sent: Wed, Apr 27, 2011 4:17 pm Subject: Re: RV10-List: Ted Chang Really sad, but good Ted walked away. Be interesting to know what happened? does not look like any fire damage to the aircraft. Pascal From: David Leikam Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 3:39 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Ted Chang http://newsodrome.com/aviation_news/ted-s-plane-and-the-voice-25394830 David Leikam RV10 Flying On Apr 27, 2011, at 2:39 PM, Bob Leffler wrote: Ted just posted to facebook that he had an inflight fire and landed 4nm off airport during his phase 1. Ted is ok, but the rv-10's gear collapsed. There was no mention as to the cause of the fire. He posted some photos to facebook Sent from my iPhone__,_._,___ 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D ref="x-msg://1484/3D%22http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List%22">h ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D ref="x-msg://1484/3D%22http://forums.matronics.com%22">http://forums.matr onics.com D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D ref="x-msg://1484/3D%22http://www.matronics.com/contribution%22">http://w ww.matronics.com/contribution D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?RV10-List ref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c -= - The RV10-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -========================


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    Time: 06:31:36 PM PST US
    From: "Bob Leffler" <rv@thelefflers.com>
    Subject: Ted Chang
    Ted posted the following to the local RV list: Thank you for your concern. I have been busy today and finally get a chance to organize my pictures and thoughts. Here is a link to my photos. It works as long as you click on this link. https://picasaweb.google.com/tc1234c/4272011RV10Accident?authkey=Gv1sRgCPjmt viSyuKsQg# <https://picasaweb.google.com/tc1234c/4272011RV10Accident?authkey=Gv1sRgCPjm tviSyuKsQg> I had a fuel fire while four miles up wind to runway 18. I discharged fire extinguisher to put off the fire that is outside of the tunnel. In a few seconds the blinding smoke filled the cabin (from paint or SCAT tube? not wires since there is only fuel pump and fuel flow sensor wires in there.). I turned the fuel selector to shut off the fuel supply . Since I could not see, I popped open the pilot side door and it quickly flew off. Now I saw that I have a pasture on my left. This is a hilly country with streams, trees and houses, not too many landing choices. Engine quit and I banked left sharply to make to the field. I saw a telephone line along the road and ducked down under it. As soon as I cleared the phone line I pull the nose up and the airplane impacted the ground (with the stall warning beeping) which is sloping up. The impact bent all three landing gears and absorbed the impact. I did not feel a very hard bump at all. The airplane slided uphill for a few hundred feet and stopped over the top of the hill. I got out and saw a little smoke still coming out under the tunnel. I grabbed my phone and camera and began calling 911. That began a very long day taking the statement and waiting for the FAA inspector. The only injury I sustained is a 1/8" size burn on my hand, no blister even. Our local TV station reported that I burnt my hand. It is a little exaggerated. This is the first accident I have had. I hope it is the last too. From this experience I learned a few things: a. Whatever happens keep cool. b. Don't try to save your airplane, save yourself first. c. Fly your airplane until you have no control of it. I will open the cowling and tunnel cover after the airplane is brought back to my hangar and find what is the cause of the fire. At that time I will share with you my findings. Be safe! Ted From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pilotdds Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 8:18 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Ted Chang Glad Ted walked away-wonder what happened to the door,Inflight fire is a scary thing-Hope you regroup and get back in the air quickly -----Original Message----- From: Pascal <rv10flyer@verizon.net> Sent: Wed, Apr 27, 2011 4:17 pm Subject: Re: RV10-List: Ted Chang Really sad, but good Ted walked away. Be interesting to know what happened? does not look like any fire damage to the aircraft. Pascal From: David Leikam <mailto:daveleikam@wi.rr.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 3:39 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Ted Chang http://newsodrome.com/aviation_news/ted-s-plane-and-the-voice-25394830 David Leikam RV10 Flying On Apr 27, 2011, at 2:39 PM, Bob Leffler wrote: Ted just posted to facebook that he had an inflight fire and landed 4nm off airport during his phase 1. Ted is ok, but the rv-10's gear collapsed. There was no mention as to the cause of the fire. He posted some photos to facebook Sent from my iPhone__,_._,___ 3D=========================3 D=================== href="x-msg://1484/3D%22http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List%22 <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List%22%22%3ehttp://www.matronics.c om/Navigator?RV10-List> ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List 3D=========================3 D=================== href="x-msg://1484/3D%22http://forums.matronics.com%22">http://forums.matron ics.com <http://forums.matronics.com/> 3D=========================3 D=================== href="x-msg://1484/3D%22http://www.matronics.com/contribution%22 <http://www.matronics.com/contribution%22%22%3Ehttp:/www.matronics.com/contr ibution> ">http://www.matronics.com/contribution 3D=========================3 D=================== href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List%22%3ehttp://www.matronics.com/ Navigator?RV10-List> ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List href="http://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com%22%3ehttp/forums.matronics.com> ">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution <http://www.matronics.com/contribution%22%3Ehttp:/www.matronics.com/c> ">http://www.matronics.com/c get=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List p://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution


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    Time: 06:44:30 PM PST US
    From: "DLM" <dlm34077@q.com>
    Subject: Trutrak autopilot
    I have the DigiFlite II VSGV; when I was building I specifically asked TT whether the AP should be off on the buss while cranking. I was told the AP could be on while cranking. Experience has shown and TT has confirmed that the AP should be off during cranking and the aircraft should remain stopped for about 30 seconds to allow the internal sensors to determine the parameters for straight and level flight. At the next annual I intend to switch the pullable breaker for the AP to a toggle breaker.


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    Time: 07:00:47 PM PST US
    From: "Rene" <rene@felker.com>
    Subject: Trutrak autopilot
    That is what Stein recommended with my panel. It also gives you a switch to turn off if the AP goes crazy and tries to crash the airplane. J Rene' 801-721-6080 From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DLM Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 8:45 AM Subject: RV10-List: Trutrak autopilot I have the DigiFlite II VSGV; when I was building I specifically asked TT whether the AP should be off on the buss while cranking. I was told the AP could be on while cranking. Experience has shown and TT has confirmed that the AP should be off during cranking and the aircraft should remain stopped for about 30 seconds to allow the internal sensors to determine the parameters for straight and level flight. At the next annual I intend to switch the pullable breaker for the AP to a toggle breaker.


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    Time: 07:03:31 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Ted Chang
    From: Phil Perry <philperry9@gmail.com>
    Interesting. Glad he is safe and I hope he will share some honest detail re garding his fuel system and any modifications he made. I guess that answers the question about being able to open a door in flight. We now know it is possible. I always wondered if it could be done or if t he sucking action on the doors would cause so much friction at the pins that they wouldn't move. That question is now answered (at least at maneuvering speeds). Most importantly - I'm really glad he is safe. Phil On Apr 27, 2011, at 8:22 PM, "Bob Leffler" <rv@thelefflers.com> wrote: > Ted posted the following to the local RV list: > > > > Thank you for your concern. I have been busy today and finally get a chanc e to organize my pictures and thoughts. Here is a link to my photos. It wor ks as long as you click on this link. > > > > https://picasaweb.google.com/tc1234c/4272011RV10Accident?authkey=Gv1sRgC PjmtviSyuKsQg# > > > > I had a fuel fire while four miles up wind to runway 18. I discharged fire extinguisher to put off the fire that is outside of the tunnel. In a few se conds the blinding smoke filled the cabin (from paint or SCAT tube? not wire s since there is only fuel pump and fuel flow sensor wires in there.). I tur ned the fuel selector to shut off the fuel supply . Since I could not see, I popped open the pilot side door and it quickly flew off. Now I saw that I h ave a pasture on my left. This is a hilly country with streams, trees and ho uses, not too many landing choices. Engine quit and I banked left sharply to make to the field. I saw a telephone line along the road and ducked down un der it. As soon as I cleared the phone line I pull the nose up and the airpl ane impacted the ground (with the stall warning beeping) which is sloping up . The impact bent all three landing gears and absorbed the impact. I did not feel a very hard bump at all. The airplane slided uphill for a few hundred f eet and stopped over the top of the hill. I got out and saw a little smoke s till coming out under the tunnel. I grabbed my phone and camera and began ca lling 911. That began a very long day taking the statement and waiting for t he FAA inspector. The only injury I sustained is a 1/8" size burn on my hand , no blister even. Our local TV station reported that I burnt my hand. It is a little exaggerated. > > > > This is the first accident I have had. I hope it is the last too. =46rom t his experience I learned a few things: > > > > a. Whatever happens keep cool. > > b. Don't try to save your airplane, save yourself first. > > c. Fly your airplane until you have no control of it. > > > > I will open the cowling and tunnel cover after the airplane is brought bac k to my hangar and find what is the cause of the fire. At that time I will s hare with you my findings. > > > > Be safe! > > > > Ted > > > > > > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@ matronics.com] On Behalf Of pilotdds > Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 8:18 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Ted Chang > > > > Glad Ted walked away-wonder what happened to the door,Inflight fire is a s cary thing-Hope you regroup and get back in the air quickly > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pascal <rv10flyer@verizon.net> > To: rv10-list <rv10-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Wed, Apr 27, 2011 4:17 pm > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Ted Chang > > Really sad, but good Ted walked away. Be interesting to know what happened ? does not look like any fire damage to the aircraft. > > Pascal > > > > From: David Leikam > > Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 3:39 PM > > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Ted Chang > > > > http://newsodrome.com/aviation_news/ted-s-plane-and-the-voice-25394830 > > > > David Leikam > > RV10 > > Flying > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 27, 2011, at 2:39 PM, Bob Leffler wrote: > > > > > > Ted just posted to facebook that he had an inflight fire and landed 4nm of f airport during his phase 1. Ted is ok, but the rv-10's gear collapsed. 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    Time: 07:25:53 PM PST US
    From: "Pascal" <rv10flyer@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: Ted Chang
    I never thought the doors opening/flying off in air was an issue, they do it without trying too! it was trying to close them/save them if they became open that I always wondered about. From: Phil Perry Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 7:00 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Ted Chang Interesting. Glad he is safe and I hope he will share some honest detail regarding his fuel system and any modifications he made. I guess that answers the question about being able to open a door in flight. We now know it is possible. I always wondered if it could be done or if the sucking action on the doors would cause so much friction at the pins that they wouldn't move. That question is now answered (at least at maneuvering speeds). Most importantly - I'm really glad he is safe. Phil On Apr 27, 2011, at 8:22 PM, "Bob Leffler" <rv@thelefflers.com> wrote: Ted posted the following to the local RV list: Thank you for your concern. I have been busy today and finally get a chance to organize my pictures and thoughts. Here is a link to my photos. It works as long as you click on this link. https://picasaweb.google.com/tc1234c/4272011RV10Accident?authkey=Gv1sRg CPjmtviSyuKsQg# I had a fuel fire while four miles up wind to runway 18. I discharged fire extinguisher to put off the fire that is outside of the tunnel. In a few seconds the blinding smoke filled the cabin (from paint or SCAT tube? not wires since there is only fuel pump and fuel flow sensor wires in there.). I turned the fuel selector to shut off the fuel supply . Since I could not see, I popped open the pilot side door and it quickly flew off. Now I saw that I have a pasture on my left. This is a hilly country with streams, trees and houses, not too many landing choices. Engine quit and I banked left sharply to make to the field. I saw a telephone line along the road and ducked down under it. As soon as I cleared the phone line I pull the nose up and the airplane impacted the ground (with the stall warning beeping) which is sloping up. The impact bent all three landing gears and absorbed the impact. I did not feel a very hard bump at all. The airplane slided uphill for a few hundred feet and stopped over the top of the hill. I got out and saw a little smoke still coming out under the tunnel. I grabbed my phone and camera and began calling 911. That began a very long day taking the statement and waiting for the FAA inspector. The only injury I sustained is a 1/8" size burn on my hand, no blister even. Our local TV station reported that I burnt my hand. It is a little exaggerated. This is the first accident I have had. I hope it is the last too. From this experience I learned a few things: a. Whatever happens keep cool. b. Don't try to save your airplane, save yourself first. c. Fly your airplane until you have no control of it. I will open the cowling and tunnel cover after the airplane is brought back to my hangar and find what is the cause of the fire. At that time I will share with you my findings. Be safe! Ted From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pilotdds Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 8:18 PM To: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: Ted Chang Glad Ted walked away-wonder what happened to the door,Inflight fire is a scary thing-Hope you regroup and get back in the air quickly -----Original Message----- From: Pascal <rv10flyer@verizon.net> To: rv10-list <rv10-list@matronics.com> Sent: Wed, Apr 27, 2011 4:17 pm Subject: Re: RV10-List: Ted Chang Really sad, but good Ted walked away. Be interesting to know what happened? does not look like any fire damage to the aircraft. 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    Time: 07:37:25 PM PST US
    From: Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com>
    Subject: Re: Ted Chang
    Has anyone considered putting a vent window on either door window, such as Bonanza, Piper, Mooney do? Might be awful handy to ventilate the cockpit without losing a door. On 4/27/2011 7:16 PM, Pascal wrote: > I never thought the doors opening/flying off in air was an issue, they > do it without trying too! it was trying to close them/save them if they > became open that I always wondered about.


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    Time: 07:46:59 PM PST US
    From: David Leikam <daveleikam@wi.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Ted Chang
    Looks and sounds like some really good flying by Ted. Getting the thing under a power line and then a full stall touch down!? Thank God he walked away. The fuel valve selector looks like it has a different handle on it. Like the door handle supplied in the kit. I wonder what valve he used. I wish the tunnel was easier to access to inspect the fuel plumbing more often. David Leikam RV10 Flying On Apr 27, 2011, at 5:39 PM, David Leikam wrote: > http://newsodrome.com/aviation_news/ted-s-plane-and-the-voice-25394830 > > David Leikam > RV10 > Flying > > > > > > > > > On Apr 27, 2011, at 2:39 PM, Bob Leffler wrote: > >> >> Ted just posted to facebook that he had an inflight fire and landed 4nm off airport during his phase 1. Ted is ok, but the rv-10's gear collapsed. There was no mention as to the cause of the fire. >> >> He posted some photos to facebook >> >> Sent from my iPhone__,_._,___ >> >> >> >> >> 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D >> href="x-msg://1484/3D%22http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List%22" >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >> 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D >> href="x-msg://1484/3D%22http://forums.matronics.com%22">http://forums.ma tronics.com >> 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D >> href="x-msg://1484/3D%22http://www.matronics.com/contribution%22">http:/ /www.matronics.com/contribution >> 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D >> > > > >


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    Time: 07:53:32 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Ted Chang
    From: Phillip Perry <philperry9@gmail.com>
    There was one at OSH 2 years ago with one installed but I can't remember who had it. On Apr 27, 2011 9:40 PM, "Kelly McMullen" <kellym@aviating.com> wrote: > > Has anyone considered putting a vent window on either door window, such > as Bonanza, Piper, Mooney do? Might be awful handy to ventilate the > cockpit without losing a door. > > On 4/27/2011 7:16 PM, Pascal wrote: >> I never thought the doors opening/flying off in air was an issue, they >> do it without trying too! it was trying to close them/save them if they >> became open that I always wondered about. > >


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    Time: 08:30:28 PM PST US
    From: Sean Stephens <sean@stephensville.com>
    Subject: Re: Ted Chang
    "I wish the tunnel was easier to access to inspect the fuel plumbing more often." Tunnel Access Kit... http://airward.com/amelia/search.asp?advnav=&action=Search&store=&cat=10000016&subcat_10000003=10000016&ShowImages=&ShowDetails=&menuID=15~15&id=17 Actually looks like he had at least one of these on the pilot side. On 4/27/11 9:44 PM, David Leikam wrote: > Looks and sounds like some really good flying by Ted. Getting the > thing under a power line and then a full stall touch down!? Thank God > he walked away. > The fuel valve selector looks like it has a different handle on it. > Like the door handle supplied in the kit. I wonder what valve he > used. I wish the tunnel was easier to access to inspect the fuel > plumbing more often. > > David Leikam > RV10 > Flying > > > On Apr 27, 2011, at 5:39 PM, David Leikam wrote: > >> http://newsodrome.com/aviation_news/ted-s-plane-and-the-voice-25394830 >> >> David Leikam >> RV10 >> Flying >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Apr 27, 2011, at 2:39 PM, Bob Leffler wrote: >> >>> >>> Ted just posted to facebook that he had an inflight fire and landed >>> 4nm off airport during his phase 1. Ted is ok, but the rv-10's >>> gear collapsed. There was no mention as to the cause of the fire. >>> >>> He posted some photos to facebook >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone__,_._,___ >>> >>> >>> * >>> >>> 3D============================================ >>> href="x-msg://1484/3D%22http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List%22">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >>> 3D============================================ >>> href="x-msg://1484/3D%22http://forums.matronics.com%22">http://forums.matronics.com >>> 3D============================================ >>> href="x-msg://1484/3D%22http://www.matronics.com/contribution%22">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>> 3D============================================ >>> >>> * >> >> * >> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >> href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com >> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> * > > * > > > *


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    Time: 08:42:32 PM PST US
    From: "Les Kearney" <kearney@shaw.ca>
    Subject: Ted Chang
    Hmmm Speaking of vents, has anyone put a vent in the tunnel. I am wondering if a piece of tubing, facing rearward and mounted on the exterior skin under the tunnel, could be used to keep negative pressure in the tunnel. Inquiring miinds need to know Les PS: I am very glad Ted was able to land safely. It sounds like he did an amazing job in a very sticky situation. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen Sent: April-27-11 8:34 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Ted Chang Has anyone considered putting a vent window on either door window, such as Bonanza, Piper, Mooney do? Might be awful handy to ventilate the cockpit without losing a door. On 4/27/2011 7:16 PM, Pascal wrote: > I never thought the doors opening/flying off in air was an issue, they > do it without trying too! it was trying to close them/save them if > they became open that I always wondered about.


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    Time: 09:31:33 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Ted Chang
    From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu>
    "The fuel valve selector looks like it has a different handle on it." That is the handle from Vans, supplied on kits after about March 2008. The "new" fuel setup has the (essentially) same valve but lower in the tunnel, with a long shaft up to the handle. There is an AN fitting on the line where it penetrates the tunnel, unlike the original design where it was a continuous piece of aluminum going thru a rubber grommet. Handle appears to be in between left and right, which I guess is off. I'd have put it to the rear for a more positive 'off'. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=338267#338267




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