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1. 02:48 AM - Re: [LML] Re: Beware update (Kelly McMullen)
2. 03:21 AM - Re: [LML] Re: Beware update (DLM)
3. 04:39 AM - Re: [LML] Re: Beware update (Kelly McMullen)
4. 04:51 AM - Re: fuel tank countersinks (George, Neal Capt 505 TRS/DOJ)
5. 05:26 AM - Re: [LML] Re: Beware update (cloudvalley@comcast.net)
6. 05:58 AM - Re: fuel tank countersinks (Billy & Tami Britton)
7. 07:29 AM - Re: [LML] Re: Beware update (Don McDonald)
8. 08:15 AM - Re: Re: Retrofit locking fuel caps (Deems Davis)
9. 08:18 AM - Re: traveling covers, for really traveling (Rob Kochman)
10. 08:20 AM - Re: travel covers (Rob Kochman)
11. 08:28 AM - Re: NACA Vent Insect Screens (Dj Merrill)
12. 02:03 PM - Re: I-Pad2 and Bad elf question (Steve Roberts)
13. 02:11 PM - Re: traveling covers, for really traveling (AirMike)
14. 05:26 PM - Re: Re: Retrofit locking fuel caps (James McGrew)
15. 06:04 PM - Re: fuel tank countersinks (Rick Lark)
16. 06:09 PM - Re: fuel tank countersinks (Rick Lark)
17. 06:27 PM - Re: Re: Retrofit locking fuel caps (Roger Standley)
18. 08:39 PM - OT Flying to San Luis Obispo (Jim Berry)
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| Subject: | Re: [LML] Re: Beware update |
On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 5:49 PM, johngoodman <johngoodman@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> How about giving us a little info on the subject - I haven't a clue on what you're
talking about.
> John
For those asking, this was the original message. Incident A Lancair
pilot was detained at small MO airport after flying there from CA.
Request to local police came from CBP. Allegation was some illegal was
a passenger...Only pilot and wife were on board. Pilot was AF reserve
F22 pilot.
On 5/2/2011 10:29 AM, Bobby J. Hughes wrote:
> Heres a post from another group that may be of interest to some. It
> appears AOPA has been in contact with CBP regarding a new trend. I
> find AOPAs (Craig Spence) comments disturbing.
>
> Bobby Hughes
>
> N416AS
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:*vtailjeff@aol.com <mailto:vtailjeff@aol.com>
>
> *To:*lml@lancaironline.net <mailto:lml@lancaironline.net>
>
> *Sent:*Sunday, May 01, 2011 10:00 AM
>
> *Subject:*[LML] Re: Beware update
>
>
> As most of you on the list know we had an incident in April here in St.
> Louis where one of our own was "stopped" by local police based on a
> "tip" from Customs and Border Patrol. Here is an update to that story:
>
> Bob Rickard (who was the individual stopped) and I have received more
> emails from other Lancair pilots who have been stopped as well based on
> "tips" from CBP. So this is not an isolated incident. I contacted AOPA,
> my congressman's staff, and CBP themselves. AOPA's Craig Spence is
> presently working this issue on our behalf. He already had ascheduled
> meeting with CBP on Wednesday, so he brought this subject up. He said
> that CBP wants to be the new "skycop". He conveyed our concerns to them
> --targeting GA for poloce searches and the issue of the fax that is sent
> to police agencies justifying detaining pilots. Mr. Spence told them
> that the fax has errors on it and agreed to help them correct those. On
> the issue of tracking GA flights and detaining pilots, Mr. Spence said
> the CBP is not budging. He believes we need to take this to
> Congressional leaders --he said we are in for a long battle with CBP.
>
> The day after Mr. Spence's meeting I received two phone calls from CBP
> (so it is true about smelly stuff rolling downhill). The first call was
> from "Carlos" at CBP HQ. Carlos works in Gen. Mike Kostelnik's office in
> DC. Kostelnik, a retired AF two star, is the head of the CBP Air and
> Marine Center. Carlos wanted to know what our concerns were and I
> repeated that we did not like getting stopped based on bogus
> information. He wanted to know how I was certain CBP was behind these
> stops (he implied they had nothing to do with it) and I said it was from
> information from the local police and the fax AMOC sent to them. (Ah,
> the truth and evidence is so great) He was pretty agitated during our
> conversation and said if we were stopped and the police questioned us
> then we should tell them what they wanted to know. I said I disagreed
> (Fifth Amendment) . I gave him the specifics of Bobaloos stop two weeks
> ago and he agreed to look into it. I said that in the best light their
> intell is either unvetted or their analyis is poor. He disagreed (of
> course) and gave many other reasons (all bogus) as to why their intel
> was good. He said it could have been because the aircraft was a prior
> drug aircraft. I replied that would be pretty difficult since I built
> it, flew it and then sold it to Col. Rickard. I said that in the worst
> light --their folks are making up stories to get the local police to
> stop GA pilots--for the crime of ....flying. Of course he about blew a
> gasket. I asked him to tell me where CBP got this information about Bob
> carrying a fugitive. He replied that is a matter of national security
> and could not tell me.
>
> A couple of hours later I receive a phone call from Tony C. at the CBP
> AMOC in Riverside, CA asking again about my concerns. Again I expressed
> the same and while he was very polite and cordial and appears to be a
> dedicated public servant doing a tough job I reiterated that law abiding
> GA pilots do not enjoy getting stopped by law enforcement based on
> seemingly bogus information. Tony said they are just trying to "put
> their eyes on people"--meaning us. I remarked that there has to be a
> better way of doing that than surrounding a pilot with 6 police cars and
> ten officers. He said they have tough job catching bad guys. I said that
> that they need to do a better job screening their intel. It seemed both
> he and Carlos went back and forth on whether the intel came from
> internal sources or external ones. At one point he said people were
> calling their hotline with tips -- so I challenged him as to how someone
> would know the Mr. McCrae was on Bob's airplane and then called them in
> Riverside to report it. The story seemed to change to they had strong
> intel internally. Never an admission that they screwed up. Just more
> reasons why their intel is solid. Even at one point denying it is their
> intel-- "it comes from somewhere else-- they are just the middle man."
> Tony said they are all ex military and are all pilots so I pointed oujt
> that the fax has numerous errors and the FARs contains no language
> allowing detention of a pilot for failing to have his medical or logbook
> on his person (look for that to change as CBP will probably write
> criminal regulations re: pilots) . The whole time I could hear a beep
> every ten seconds or so probably indicating I was being recorded.
> Althoug Tony was pleasant there was no progress on this issue. None.
>
> I spoke with my congressman's senior staffer as well. I relayed the
> details of the issue to her and she seemed sincerely interested. She
> said it is best to generate a letter from our organizations (we are) and
> forward that with a personal note to all of our congressmen. She said I
> should be carefull so that I don't become a target.
>
> All for now.
>
> Jeff "Bullseye" Edwards
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: [LML] Re: Beware update |
Has anyone checked whether this is a hoax? Only half of the first 6 points
have any basis in fact and are required by FARs. No 337s, no logbook, no
escort pass,; I will pass this to my Congress person. This goes back to
basics when original license was obtained; we all knew/know what documents
are required in the aircraft.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@myrv10.com>
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: [LML] Re: Beware update
>I think it was in the original post I replied to, but
> here, I'll post it below my signature. It's from
> the Lancair list. Also, if this post referrs to
> a fax, see the attached .pdf that has some inaccuracies
> in it that the CBP are using.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>
>
> ---------------------------------------
>
> As most of you on the list know we had an incident in April here in St.
> Louis where one of our own was "stopped" by local police based on a
> "tip" from Customs and Border Patrol. Here is an update to that story:
>
> Bob Rickard (who was the individual stopped) and I have received more
> emails from other Lancair pilots who have been stopped as well based on
> "tips" from CBP. So this is not an isolated incident. I contacted AOPA,
> my congressman's staff, and CBP themselves. AOPA's Craig Spence is
> presently working this issue on our behalf. He already had ascheduled
> meeting with CBP on Wednesday, so he brought this subject up. He said
> that CBP wants to be the new "skycop". He conveyed our concerns to them
> --targeting GA for poloce searches and the issue of the fax that is sent
> to police agencies justifying detaining pilots. Mr. Spence told them
> that the fax has errors on it and agreed to help them correct those. On
> the issue of tracking GA flights and detaining pilots, Mr. Spence said
> the CBP is not budging. He believes we need to take this to
> Congressional leaders --he said we are in for a long battle with CBP.
>
> The day after Mr. Spence's meeting I received two phone calls from CBP
> (so it is true about smelly stuff rolling downhill). The first call was
> from "Carlos" at CBP HQ. Carlos works in Gen. Mike Kostelnik's office in
> DC. Kostelnik, a retired AF two star, is the head of the CBP Air and
> Marine Center. Carlos wanted to know what our concerns were and I
> repeated that we did not like getting stopped based on bogus
> information. He wanted to know how I was certain CBP was behind these
> stops (he implied they had nothing to do with it) and I said it was from
> information from the local police and the fax AMOC sent to them. (Ah,
> the truth and evidence is so great) He was pretty agitated during our
> conversation and said if we were stopped and the police questioned us
> then we should tell them what they wanted to know. I said I disagreed
> (Fifth Amendment) . I gave him the specifics of Bobaloos stop two weeks
> ago and he agreed to look into it. I said that in the best light their
> intell is either unvetted or their analyis is poor. He disagreed (of
> course) and gave many other reasons (all bogus) as to why their intel
> was good. He said it could have been because the aircraft was a prior
> drug aircraft. I replied that would be pretty difficult since I built
> it, flew it and then sold it to Col. Rickard. I said that in the worst
> light --their folks are making up stories to get the local police to
> stop GA pilots--for the crime of ....flying. Of course he about blew a
> gasket. I asked him to tell me where CBP got this information about Bob
> carrying a fugitive. He replied that is a matter of national security
> and could not tell me.
>
> A couple of hours later I receive a phone call from Tony C. at the CBP
> AMOC in Riverside, CA asking again about my concerns. Again I expressed
> the same and while he was very polite and cordial and appears to be a
> dedicated public servant doing a tough job I reiterated that law abiding
> GA pilots do not enjoy getting stopped by law enforcement based on
> seemingly bogus information. Tony said they are just trying to "put
> their eyes on people"--meaning us. I remarked that there has to be a
> better way of doing that than surrounding a pilot with 6 police cars and
> ten officers. He said they have tough job catching bad guys. I said
> that that they need to do a better job screening their intel. It seemed
> both he and Carlos went back and forth on whether the intel came from
> internal sources or external ones. At one point he said people were
> calling their hotline with tips -- so I challenged him as to how someone
> would know the Mr. McCrae was on Bob's airplane and then called them in
> Riverside to report it. The story seemed to change to they had strong
> intel internally. Never an admission that they screwed up. Just more
> reasons why their intel is solid. Even at one point denying it is their
> intel-- "it comes from somewhere else-- they are just the middle man."
> Tony said they are all ex military and are all pilots so I pointed oujt
> that the fax has numerous errors and the FARs contains no language
> allowing detention of a pilot for failing to have his medical or
> logbook on his person (look for that to change as CBP will probably
> write criminal regulations re: pilots) . The whole time I could hear a
> beep every ten seconds or so probably indicating I was being recorded.
> Althoug Tony was pleasant there was no progress on this issue. None.
>
> I spoke with my congressman's senior staffer as well. I relayed the
> details of the issue to her and she seemed sincerely interested. She
> said it is best to generate a letter from our organizations (we are) and
> forward that with a personal note to all of our congressmen. She said I
> should be carefull so that I don't become a target.
>
> All for now.
>
> Jeff "Bullseye" Edwards
>
>
> On 5/2/2011 9:08 PM, dmaib@me.com wrote:
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "dmaib@me.com"<dmaib@me.com>
>>
>>
>> johngoodman wrote:
>>> How about giving us a little info on the subject - I haven't a clue on
>>> what you're talking about.
>>> John
>>
>>
>> Me too! What is the story here?
>>
>> --------
>> David Maib
>> RV-10 #40559
>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: [LML] Re: Beware update |
Point is the memo originated from CBP not FAA. I've seen no indication
of a hoax. Just the usual govt agency trying to spread its turf into
another agency's arena and knows just enough to be dangerous. One
situation does require one specific 337 to be on board, if there is a
fuel tank in the cabin that is not factory original.
On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 6:18 AM, DLM <dlm34077@q.com> wrote:
>
> Has anyone checked whether this is a hoax? Only half of the first 6 points
> have any basis in fact and are required by FARs. No 337s, no logbook, no
> escort pass,; I will pass this to my Congress person. This goes back to
> basics when original license was obtained; we all knew/know what documents
> are required in the aircraft.
>
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| Subject: | fuel tank countersinks |
Rick -
The tank skins are barely thick enough to accept the countersink, thus
leaving a thin, fragile hole edge that is easily damaged by the clecos
used to hold things in place. Leaving a number of holes with their full
thickness of metal and using those holes to align and clamp the
structure gives the builder a better chance of proper fit-up and final
assembly.
neal
-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Lark
Hi all
I'm just about to countersink the tank skins to the rear baffle, and
can't figure out why we are to leave every 10th hole untouched only to
go back later and then complete the countersink and rivetting etc.
Sounds like it has something to do with alignment???
I must be missing something. Can anyone explain?
Thx, Rick
#40956
Southampton, Ont
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| Subject: | Re: [LML] Re: Beware update |
Hello,
Here's another incident in 2009; when interviewed, the pilot mentioned two
other cases he knew of in the SOCal area. This is no hoax.
http://www.avweb.com/podcast/podcast/AudioPodcast_DavidPerry_CustomsBorderP
atrol_CheckScare_200520-1.html?kw=RelatedStory
Anyone want to file IFR?
Brian and Ruth Preston
----- Original Message -----
From: "DLM" <dlm34077@q.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 3, 2011 3:18:46 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: [LML] Re: Beware update
Has anyone checked whether this is a hoax? Only half of the first 6 points
have any basis in fact and are required by FARs. No 337s, no logbook, no
escort pass,; I will pass this to my Congress person. This goes back to
basics when original license was obtained; we all knew/know what documents
are required in the aircraft.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@myrv10.com>
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: [LML] Re: Beware update
>I think it was in the original post I replied to, but
> here, I'll post it below my signature. It's from
> the Lancair list. =C2-Also, if this post referrs to
> a fax, see the attached .pdf that has some inaccuracies
> in it that the CBP are using.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>
>
> ---------------------------------------
>
> As most of you on the list know we had an incident in April here in St.
> Louis where one of our own was "stopped" by local police based on a
> "tip" from Customs and Border Patrol. Here is an update to that story:
>
> Bob Rickard (who was the individual stopped) and I have received more
> emails from other Lancair pilots who have been stopped as well based on
> "tips" from CBP. So this is not an isolated incident. I contacted AOPA,
> my congressman's staff, and CBP themselves. AOPA's Craig Spence is
> presently working this issue on our behalf. He already had ascheduled
> meeting with CBP on Wednesday, so he brought this subject up. He said
> that CBP wants to be the new "skycop". =C2-He conveyed our concerns to
them
> --targeting GA for poloce searches and the issue of the fax that is sent
> to police agencies justifying detaining pilots. Mr. Spence told them
> that the fax has errors on it and agreed to help them correct those. On
> the issue of tracking GA flights and detaining pilots, Mr. Spence said
> the CBP is not budging. He believes we need to take this to
> Congressional leaders --he said we are in for a long battle with CBP.
>
> The day after Mr. Spence's meeting I received two phone calls from CBP
> (so it is true about smelly stuff rolling downhill). The first call was
> from "Carlos" at CBP HQ. Carlos works in Gen. Mike Kostelnik's office in
> DC. Kostelnik, a retired AF two star, =C2-is the head of the CBP Air an
d
> Marine Center. Carlos wanted to know what our concerns were and I
> repeated that we did not like getting stopped based on bogus
> information. He wanted to know how I was certain CBP was behind these
> stops (he implied they had nothing to do with it) and I said it was from
> information from the local police and the fax AMOC sent to them. (Ah,
> the truth and evidence is so great) =C2-He was pretty agitated during o
ur
> conversation and said if we were stopped and the police questioned us
> then we should tell them what they wanted to know. I said I disagreed
> (Fifth Amendment) . I gave him the specifics of Bobaloos stop two weeks
> ago and he agreed to look into it. =C2-I said that in the best light th
eir
> intell is either unvetted or their analyis is poor. He disagreed (of
> course) and gave many other reasons (all bogus) as to why their intel
> was good. He said it could have been because the aircraft was a prior
> drug aircraft. I replied that would be pretty difficult since I built
> it, flew it and then sold it to Col. Rickard. I said that in the worst
> light --their folks are making up stories to get the local police to
> stop GA pilots--for the crime of ....flying. Of course he about blew a
> gasket. I asked him to =C2-tell me where CBP got this information about
Bob
> carrying a fugitive. He replied that is a matter of national security
> and could not tell me.
>
> A couple of hours later I receive a phone call from Tony C. at the CBP
> AMOC in Riverside, CA asking again about my concerns. Again I expressed
> the same and while he was very polite and cordial and appears to be a
> dedicated public servant doing a tough job I reiterated that law abiding
> GA pilots do not enjoy getting stopped by law enforcement based on
> seemingly bogus information. Tony said they are just trying to "put
> their eyes on people"--meaning us. I remarked that there has to be a
> better way of doing that than surrounding a pilot with 6 police cars and
> ten officers. He said they have =C2-tough job catching bad guys. I said
> that =C2-that they need to do a better job screening their intel. It se
emed
> both he and Carlos went back and forth on whether the intel came from
> internal sources or external ones. At one point he said people were
> calling their hotline with tips -- so I challenged him as to how someone
> would know the Mr. McCrae was on Bob's airplane and then called them in
> Riverside to report it. The story seemed to change to they had strong
> intel internally. Never an admission that they screwed up. Just more
> reasons why their intel is solid. Even at one point denying it is their
> intel-- "it comes from somewhere else-- they are just the middle man."
> Tony said they are all ex military and are all pilots so I pointed oujt
> that the fax has numerous errors and the FARs contains no language
> allowing detention of =C2-a pilot for failing to have his medical or
> logbook on his person (look for that to change as CBP will probably
> write criminal regulations re: pilots) . The whole time I could hear a
> beep every ten seconds or so probably indicating I was being recorded.
> Althoug Tony was pleasant there was no progress on this issue. None.
>
> I spoke with my congressman's senior staffer as well. I relayed the
> details of the issue to her and she seemed sincerely interested. She
> said it is best to generate a letter from our organizations (we are) and
> forward that with a personal note to all of our congressmen. =C2-She sa
id I
> should be carefull so that I don't become a target.
>
> All for now.
>
> Jeff "Bullseye" Edwards
>
>
>
> On 5/2/2011 9:08 PM, dmaib@me.com wrote:
>> --> =C2-RV10-List message posted by: "dmaib@me.com"<dmaib@me.com>
>>
>>
>> johngoodman wrote:
>>> How about giving us a little info on the subject - I haven't a clue on
>>> what you're talking about.
>>> John
>>
>>
>> Me too! What is the story here?
>>
>> --------
>> David Maib
>> RV-10 #40559
>>
>
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e -
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| Subject: | Re: fuel tank countersinks |
Rick, I know the instructions say to countersink, but I dimpled mine and
everything turned out perfectly. Dimpled the skins and the rear baffles.
Much faster, more uniform holes, etc.......
Just a thought.
Bill
--------------------------------------------------
From: "George, Neal Capt 505 TRS/DOJ" <Neal.George@hurlburt.af.mil>
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 6:41 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: fuel tank countersinks
> <Neal.George@hurlburt.af.mil>
>
> Rick -
>
> The tank skins are barely thick enough to accept the countersink, thus
> leaving a thin, fragile hole edge that is easily damaged by the clecos
> used to hold things in place. Leaving a number of holes with their full
> thickness of metal and using those holes to align and clamp the
> structure gives the builder a better chance of proper fit-up and final
> assembly.
>
> neal
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rick Lark
>
> Hi all
>
> I'm just about to countersink the tank skins to the rear baffle, and
> can't figure out why we are to leave every 10th hole untouched only to
> go back later and then complete the countersink and rivetting etc.
> Sounds like it has something to do with alignment???
>
> I must be missing something. Can anyone explain?
>
> Thx, Rick
>
> #40956
> Southampton, Ont
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: [LML] Re: Beware update |
Ok guys, I can't help myself.... to me, almost as bad as the aircraft being
=0Astopped in the first place, is the number of cars and officers who were
=0Ainvolved!!!!!!!!!- It's not like they were trying to stop a 747.- D
oes anyone =0Aask themselves, "what would these 10 officers be doing if the
y hadn't pursued =0Athis goose chase"?????- =0A=0AThe same kind of thing
happened across from our commercial propt in Calif.... =0Asomeone set a 55
gal drum of water out in a field.- Someone called the EPA or =0Asome othe
r govt entity.... we also had 6 vehicles and 8-10 highly paid govt =0Aworke
rs out here.... which again makes me wonder what they would have been doing
=0Aif not standing around out in this field???- Unfortunately, the answe
r is, NOT =0AMUCH.- So this is really all about empire building.- If ju
st one stop of a GA =0Aaircraft actually results in a "find" of some sorts,
this will justify the =0Aaddition of a whole new department, adding more g
ovt jobs and more hassle for =0Athe public citizens.- Honest guys, this i
s how it works.- A whole new =0Abureaucracy would be formed.- And maybe
again the worst part, once formed, it =0Anever goes away, and just gets bi
gger!=0ADon McDonald=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom:
Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com>=0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com=0ASent: T
ue, May 3, 2011 6:36:07 AM=0ASubject: Re: RV10-List: [LML] Re: Beware updat
=0A=0APoint is the memo originated from CBP not FAA. I've seen no indicatio
n=0Aof a hoax. Just the usual govt agency trying to spread its turf into=0A
another agency's arena and knows just enough to be dangerous. One=0Asituati
on does require one specific 337 to be on board, if there is a=0Afuel tank
in the cabin that is not factory original.=0A=0AOn Tue, May 3, 2011 at 6:18
<dlm34077@q.com>=0A>=0A> Has anyone checked whether this is a hoax? Only h
alf of the first 6 points=0A> have any basis in fact and are required by FA
Rs. No 337s, no logbook, no=0A> escort pass,; I will pass this to my Congre
ss person. This goes back to=0A> basics when original license was obtained;
we all knew/know what documents=0A> are required in the aircraft.=0A=0A>
=============
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| Subject: | Re: Retrofit locking fuel caps |
I can confirm that the Andair fuel caps leak, when the tanks are full,
its last for a few minutes after t.
Deems
On 5/2/2011 1:05 PM, Robin Marks wrote:
>
> I LOVE Andair products but I recall a discussion stating that the
> locking fuel tend to vent out of the lock mechanism and that builders
> that fill their tanks up nearly all the way experience blue fuel
> streaks coming off of the fuel cap opening in flight. The best
> solution seems to be to paint your wings blue.
>
> Not 100% sure this was an Andair cap issue or another locking cap.
>
> Robin
>
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> *Subject:* RV10-List: Re: Retrofit locking fuel caps
>
> <rv-10@wellenzohn.net <mailto:rv-10@wellenzohn.net>>
>
> I am interested in the Andair retrofit fuel caps. Did anyone use them
> and is already flying? Pictures of the installation would be much
> appreciated.
>
> Regards
> Michael
>
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| Subject: | Re: traveling covers, for really traveling |
I duct taped a thick towel to the windsceen, in case a high-flying rock hit
it.
http://kochman.net/N819K/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/IMG_3243-400x300.jpg
I figured everything else would be fine, though.
-Rob
On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 10:13 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>
> Personally I wouldn't use a cover on the highway.
> Could do more damage than good if things start
> buzzing, flapping, and part of it pops off.
> I'd leave that protector gunk on the windshield
> and just keep the speed down...maybe drive 45,
> and just take it easy on the trip. You don't
> say how many miles you're going, but, even if it's
> 50 miles, it would be smoother just to stay slower.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
> do not archive
>
>
> On 5/2/2011 11:31 PM, John Gonzalez wrote:
>
>> I will be towing my 10 quite a distance to have the paint done.
>>
>> The plane will be on top of a flat bed trailer behind my F-250. I have
>> mud flaps on the rear end of the truck and the plane's windscreen will
>> be pretty high up away from the road.
>>
>> Would it be wiser to leave the windscreen and windows coverred in the
>> paint on plexiglass protector solution or do that in addition, purchase
>> a cover like the Bruce's cover and cover it. Without seeing the covers,
>> I am concerned that it will not fit tight enough and in the wind of
>> 55mph will scratch the plexiglass while it flaps around.
>>
>> Thoughts??
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>
>
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RV-10 Flying, Phase 1
Woodinville, WA
http://kochman.net/N819K
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| Subject: | Re: travel covers |
Thanks, guys... I keep thinking about Dave Saylor's rear windows, so hoping
it'll keep the temps down, especially since it's not painted yet.
-Rob
On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 9:07 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>
> I've only tried 3. The Bruce's that I've tried were the
> full thick cover. To me, they're way too big to travel
> with but they're excellent covers to use if you wanted
> something for longer term storage. If they make a
> travel cover I'm not familiar with it. I've tried
> the Cleaveland one, which was too thin and simple for
> my taste....it was not much in the line of protection.
> I own the Flightline one. I like that it's small, light,
> packs well, and has a dark inside and light outside color.
> It's amazing that in the hot sun, the inside of the
> plane is dark and kept cool, and it is thick enough to
> provide some good sun and other protection, yet
> thin enough to travel with. She also sells cowl plugs,
> so you can get those at the same time and save shipping.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>
>
> On 5/2/2011 6:54 PM, Rob Kochman wrote:
>
>> What is everyone using for a travel cover, and do you like it? I know
>> there's the Van's lightweight one, Flightline has one, and I've heard of
>> Bruce's. Will probably also get some cowl inlet plugs as well.
>> Thanks...
>> -Rob
>>
>> --
>> Rob Kochman
>> RV-10 Flying, Phase 1
>> http://kochman.net/N819K
>>
>>
>
>
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RV-10 Flying, Phase 1
Woodinville, WA
http://kochman.net/N819K
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| Subject: | Re: NACA Vent Insect Screens |
On 05/02/2011 08:57 PM, Patrick Pulis wrote:
> What are people doing to block their NACA vents when the aircraft is
> parked, especially whilst out in the open when away from home base?
I bought a "Make your own Cowl Plug" kit from Aircraft spruce awhile
ago, and used some of the left over yellow foam material to make plugs
for the NACA vents:
http://deej.net/glastar/cover/IMG_1073.JPG
http://deej.net/glastar/cover/IMG_1077.JPG
Also, if you are looking for a nice and cheap way to stop bugs from
entering your fuel vents, go to the craft section of Walmart and buy a
package of bright red or orange "pipe cleaners" (I think they call them
"fuzzy sticks" or similar, and are about $2 for a hundred pack). Take
one pipe cleaner and cut it in half. Take one of the pieces and fold it
in half, then at about the halfway point bend the legs back out flat in
opposite directions. You get a shape that is something like this:
_/\_
Stick the pointy end up the fuel vent. Keeps bugs out, and the nice
thing about this is that if you somehow forget to take them out, air can
still pass through into the tank.
-Dj
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| Subject: | I-Pad2 and Bad elf question |
Tim,
I have the LE1600 running Voyager with a lifetime chart data subscription.
I bought it on your suggestion as I needed something that was daylight
viewable. I like it but it is a bit clunky and slow.
I noticed you are now (also?) using an ipad with a Brando anti-glare screen.
What software are you using and are you able to leverage you lifetime
subscription with Seattle Avionics? My primary interest is approach plates.
How is your wife's pilot training coming along? Mine is working on her
instrument rating but still needs about 30 hours of cross country. We hope
to see you guys at OSH, we will be there all week.
Steve Roberts
RV-10 tail kit
1966 Mooney M20E 'Ms. Obsession' KMOR Morristown, TN
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| Subject: | Re: traveling covers, for really traveling |
I would be very careful to use some very heavy duty cardboard and
secure it with 3M metallic tape or duct tape. one rock could ruin your day
Good luck.
--------
See you OSH '11
Q/B - flying 1 yr+
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| Subject: | Re: Retrofit locking fuel caps |
Thanks for all the inputs. It appears that all the available locking caps
require a 1 3/8" insert to be pro-sealed in to the existing 2" opening.
Also, it appears that all the locking caps leak when the tanks are topped
off. I was looking at my stock Van's caps yesterday and I think I figured
out a simple way to padlock them. It won't be necessarily pretty, but will
probably suffice for the rare occasion when I want to have my tanks locked
overnight. At $28 each from Van's, I'll just have one set of modified ones
in the back of the plane along with my tie downs, chocks, canopy cover,
control locks etc. I'll post pictures when I complete the modification.
-Jim
N312JE
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Retrofit locking fuel caps
I can confirm that the Andair fuel caps leak, when the tanks are full, its
last for a few minutes after t.
Deems
On 5/2/2011 1:05 PM, Robin Marks wrote:
I LOVE Andair products but I recall a discussion stating that the locking
fuel tend to vent out of the lock mechanism and that builders that fill
their tanks up nearly all the way experience blue fuel streaks coming off of
the fuel cap opening in flight. The best solution seems to be to paint your
wings blue.
Not 100% sure this was an Andair cap issue or another locking cap.
Robin
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Wellenzohn
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 12:32 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Retrofit locking fuel caps
I am interested in the Andair retrofit fuel caps. Did anyone use them and is
already flying? Pictures of the installation would be much appreciated.
Regards
Michael
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| Subject: | fuel tank countersinks |
Ahh...I knew there was a simple reason.- Thx Neal
-
Rick
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--- On Tue, 5/3/11, George, Neal Capt 505 TRS/DOJ <Neal.George@hurlburt.af.
mil> wrote:
From: George, Neal Capt 505 TRS/DOJ <Neal.George@hurlburt.af.mil>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: fuel tank countersinks
Received: Tuesday, May 3, 2011, 11:41 AM
ge@hurlburt.af.mil>
Rick -
The tank skins are barely thick enough to accept the countersink, thus
leaving a thin, fragile hole edge that is easily damaged by the clecos
used to hold things in place.- Leaving a number of holes with their full
thickness of metal and using those holes to align and clamp the
structure gives the builder a better chance of proper fit-up and final
assembly.
neal-
-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Lark
Hi all
I'm just about to countersink the tank skins to the rear baffle, and
can't figure out why we are to leave every 10th hole untouched only to
go back later and then complete the countersink and rivetting etc.
Sounds like it has something to do with alignment???
I must be missing something.- Can anyone explain?
Thx,- Rick
#40956
Southampton, Ont
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| Subject: | Re: fuel tank countersinks |
Bill, I like the way you think.- Dimpling sounds like a great idea, far s
tronger.- I can't see any reason to countersink either. I assume you had
no trouble getting the rear baffle in place when you had the tank sealant a
pplied?
-
Thx,-- Rick
#40956
Southampton, Ont
--- On Tue, 5/3/11, Billy & Tami Britton <william@gbta.net> wrote:
From: Billy & Tami Britton <william@gbta.net>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: fuel tank countersinks
Received: Tuesday, May 3, 2011, 12:54 PM
Rick, I know the instructions say to countersink, but I dimpled mine and
everything turned out perfectly.- Dimpled the skins and the rear baffles.
Much faster, more uniform holes, etc.......
Just a thought.
Bill
--------------------------------------------------
From: "George, Neal Capt 505 TRS/DOJ" <Neal.George@hurlburt.af.mil>
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 6:41 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: fuel tank countersinks
> <Neal.George@hurlburt.af.mil>
>
> Rick -
>
> The tank skins are barely thick enough to accept the countersink, thus
> leaving a thin, fragile hole edge that is easily damaged by the clecos
> used to hold things in place.- Leaving a number of holes with their ful
l
> thickness of metal and using those holes to align and clamp the
> structure gives the builder a better chance of proper fit-up and final
> assembly.
>
> neal
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rick Lark
>
> Hi all
>
> I'm just about to countersink the tank skins to the rear baffle, and
> can't figure out why we are to leave every 10th hole untouched only to
> go back later and then complete the countersink and rivetting etc.
> Sounds like it has something to do with alignment???
>
> I must be missing something.- Can anyone explain?
>
> Thx,- Rick
>
> #40956
> Southampton, Ont
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Retrofit locking fuel caps |
RV10-List: Re: Retrofit locking fuel capsOK, so what are you going to do
about the sump drains?
Roger
----- Original Message -----
From: James McGrew<mailto:jsmcgrew@alum.mit.edu>
To: rv10-list@matronics.com<mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 5:18 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Retrofit locking fuel caps
Thanks for all the inputs. It appears that all the available locking
caps require a 1 3/8" insert to be pro-sealed in to the existing 2"
opening. Also, it appears that all the locking caps leak when the tanks
are topped off. I was looking at my stock Van's caps yesterday and I
think I figured out a simple way to padlock them. It won't be
necessarily pretty, but will probably suffice for the rare occasion when
I want to have my tanks locked overnight. At $28 each from Van's, I'll
just have one set of modified ones in the back of the plane along with
my tie downs, chocks, canopy cover, control locks etc. I'll post
pictures when I complete the modification.
-Jim
N312JE
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 9:08 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Retrofit locking fuel caps
I can confirm that the Andair fuel caps leak, when the tanks are full,
its last for a few minutes after t.
Deems
On 5/2/2011 1:05 PM, Robin Marks wrote:
I LOVE Andair products but I recall a discussion stating that the
locking fuel tend to vent out of the lock mechanism and that builders
that fill their tanks up nearly all the way experience blue fuel streaks
coming off of the fuel cap opening in flight. The best solution seems to
be to paint your wings blue.
Not 100% sure this was an Andair cap issue or another locking cap.
Robin
From:
owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matron
ics.com>
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-rv10-list-serve
r@matronics.com>] On Behalf Of Michael Wellenzohn
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 12:32 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com<mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Retrofit locking fuel caps
<rv-10@wellenzohn.net<mailto:rv-10@wellenzohn.net>>
I am interested in the Andair retrofit fuel caps. Did anyone use them
and is already flying? Pictures of the installation would be much
appreciated.
Regards
Michael
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| Subject: | OT Flying to San Luis Obispo |
We are flying the -10 to San Luis Obispo on June 20 for the start of a week of
biking. Can anyone give me information on the local FBO's, tie downs or a short
term hangar? Thanks.
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