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1. 06:06 AM - Quick Build fuselage and what I learned, so far! (billz)
2. 03:34 PM - F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors (Bill Watson)
3. 03:45 PM - Re: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors (efdsteve@aol.com)
4. 07:26 PM - Re: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors (Kelly McMullen)
5. 08:32 PM - Re: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors (Les Kearney)
6. 09:00 PM - Re: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors (Pascal)
7. 09:45 PM - Re: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors (John Gonzalez)
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| Subject: | Quick Build fuselage and what I learned, so far! |
Well, Ive worked through most of the fuselage quick build issues. Although the
quick builders did a ton of work and in general, the work is great, there were
a few minor issues that needed attention.
1. I finally decided to remove the landing gear fittings, allowing inspection of
the forward floor area. What I found was mixed. First, there was nothing under
the forward floor except the remains of the temporary rivets and few metal
shavings. Nothing that was worth the trouble of removing the landing gear fittings!
It did satisfy my curiosity and allowed me to spray some self etching
primer in that area. (BTW, It is not possible to totally remove the floor panels
since the side panels are installed and get in the way. I could lift the
rear edge enough to conduct a thorough inspection and prime.) I decided not
to add insulation under the forward floorboards due to concerns of possible moisture
accumulation and future corrosion issues. As most of you have stated,
removing the landing gear fittings is a major pain! Many of the bolts required
pry bars, some bolts were bent and all were damaged to the point that I replaced
all the hardware. I found the mounting holes were never drilled properly,
(as described in the instructions). After re-working the mounting holes the
mounting bolts can be installed with only minor force.
2. The F-1005-R/L brackets were fastened to the F-1005C-R/L bulkheads incorrectly
with AN470 rivets rather the AN426 rivets. I removed these rivets, countersink
the holes and install the correct rivets. The rivets on the forward door
opening were also incorrect and required replacement.
3. The F-6122-1 Tri-Gear Brake Bracket was installed incorrectly with the flange
facing the outside, rather the inside of the fuselage. I needed to remove the
bracket to install the parking brake mounting bracket, anyway, so that wasnt
a big deal.
4. The F-1051J Scat tube support was installed at the wrong location. Rather than
being located 12 21/32 in. from the reference line, it was installed 16 in.
from the reference line. This moves the Scat tube support too far forward
and does not provide the intended support. I moved the bracket back to the correct
location and put short bolts and nuts in the holes to fill them.
5. Page 27-4 (fig 2) calls for the vent DL-10 (2.4deg) to be installed on both
sides. These were installed with the incorrect orientation causing the heat duct
to be jammed together, at some weird angles. As it turns out, it was better
to have these out of the way (per plans) for installation of the brake lines.
6. Many bushings were not installed and not included in the parts shipped with
the kit. There were none of the following bushings installed. (SB 625-8, SB
437-4, SB 625-7, SB 750-10) (Apparently, they were not included in the parts bags
because it was assumed they were installed during the quick build.) Vans
is sending me a package with the missing bushings.
So now, a week later, Im through the pain of inspecting all the quick build work
and on to better things. In hindsight, Im glad I removed the landing gear fittings,
if only to make sure the mounting bolts are not damaged. I know theyre
drilled correctly, torqued correctly and not damaged. At least not until my
first landing! Everyone has to do what works for them. This is what I learned,
along the way. Happy building!
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| Subject: | F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors |
That's right, F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ doors!!
Bill "ready to put the wings on and fly once I get the F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@
doors closed" Watson
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| Subject: | Re: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors |
I feel your pain, man!
Steve Weinstock
40230, finishing kit
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From: Bill Watson <Mauledriver@nc.rr.com>
Sent: Thu, Jun 16, 2011 5:35 pm
Subject: RV10-List: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors
That's right, F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ doors!!
Bill "ready to put the wings on and fly once I get the F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@
oors closed" Watson
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| Subject: | Re: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors |
Right there with ya. More time spent on doors than most of plane to that
point. Doesn't help that doors "to plans" are clearly unacceptable re
latching. Then there is the question of whether to accept the cheezy weather
stripping or do the work for the McMaster Carr solution. Not to mention how
many times you want to vacuum sanding dust from inside and outside the
project.
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Bill Watson <Mauledriver@nc.rr.com> wrote:
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> That's right, F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ doors!!
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> Bill "ready to put the wings on and fly once I get the F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@
> doors closed" Watson
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| Subject: | Re: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors |
Kelly
The doors build character.
Cheers
Les
Sent from my iPhone
On 2011-06-16, at 10:21 PM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
> Right there with ya. More time spent on doors than most of plane to that p
oint. Doesn't help that doors "to plans" are clearly unacceptable re latchin
g. Then there is the question of whether to accept the cheezy weather stripp
ing or do the work for the McMaster Carr solution. Not to mention how many t
imes you want to vacuum sanding dust from inside and outside the project.
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> On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Bill Watson <Mauledriver@nc.rr.com> wrote
:
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> That's right, F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ doors!!
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> Bill "ready to put the wings on and fly once I get the F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ doo
rs closed" Watson
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| Subject: | Re: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors |
Then there is the question of whether to accept the cheezy weather
stripping or do the work for the McMaster Carr solution
Question? Are you kidding? If there was one thing I would never do again
it=99s use the cheezy Vans stripping. Can=99t say that for
all that many items, but there is no question about it, cheezy is out!!
Took me about 3 months to get the doors right, lots of reshaping was
involved, all after using the rubber sealing. Don=99t do it man!!
Pascal =9Cready to put the wings on and fly once I finish
everything else=9D Reid
From: Kelly McMullen
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 7:21 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors
Right there with ya. More time spent on doors than most of plane to that
point. Doesn't help that doors "to plans" are clearly unacceptable re
latching. Then there is the question of whether to accept the cheezy
weather stripping or do the work for the McMaster Carr solution. Not to
mention how many times you want to vacuum sanding dust from inside and
outside the project.
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Bill Watson <Mauledriver@nc.rr.com>
wrote:
That's right, F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ doors!!
Bill "ready to put the wings on and fly once I get the F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@
doors closed" Watson
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| Subject: | F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors |
Character...Next week I will be leaving my plane with the painter and he wi
ll be trying to convince me to allow him to open up the tight fit I made by
spending those month making the door fit PERFECTLY. The fit is so good tha
t all the pro painters are worried the primer and paint will chip because t
here is no room for it.
I argue that they should mask a 1/8" line where the door and cabin top meet
and leave it unpainted.
I build it to the standards of a sailplane=2C minimal drag...to hell if I w
ill let them ruin my work. The return on the inside fits equally well.
From: kearney@shaw.ca
Subject: Re: RV10-List: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors
Kelly
The doors build character.
Cheers
Les
Sent from my iPhone
On 2011-06-16=2C at 10:21 PM=2C Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
Right there with ya. More time spent on doors than most of plane to that po
int. Doesn't help that doors "to plans" are clearly unacceptable re latchin
g. Then there is the question of whether to accept the cheezy weather strip
ping or do the work for the McMaster Carr solution. Not to mention how many
times you want to vacuum sanding dust from inside and outside the project.
On Thu=2C Jun 16=2C 2011 at 3:28 PM=2C Bill Watson <Mauledriver@nc.rr.com>
wrote:
That's right=2C F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ doors!!
Bill "ready to put the wings on and fly once I get the F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ door
s closed" Watson
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