---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 06/16/11: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:06 AM - Quick Build fuselage and what I learned, so far! (billz) 2. 03:34 PM - F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors (Bill Watson) 3. 03:45 PM - Re: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors (efdsteve@aol.com) 4. 07:26 PM - Re: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors (Kelly McMullen) 5. 08:32 PM - Re: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors (Les Kearney) 6. 09:00 PM - Re: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors (Pascal) 7. 09:45 PM - Re: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors (John Gonzalez) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:06:10 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Quick Build fuselage and what I learned, so far! From: "billz" Well, Ive worked through most of the fuselage quick build issues. Although the quick builders did a ton of work and in general, the work is great, there were a few minor issues that needed attention. 1. I finally decided to remove the landing gear fittings, allowing inspection of the forward floor area. What I found was mixed. First, there was nothing under the forward floor except the remains of the temporary rivets and few metal shavings. Nothing that was worth the trouble of removing the landing gear fittings! It did satisfy my curiosity and allowed me to spray some self etching primer in that area. (BTW, It is not possible to totally remove the floor panels since the side panels are installed and get in the way. I could lift the rear edge enough to conduct a thorough inspection and prime.) I decided not to add insulation under the forward floorboards due to concerns of possible moisture accumulation and future corrosion issues. As most of you have stated, removing the landing gear fittings is a major pain! Many of the bolts required pry bars, some bolts were bent and all were damaged to the point that I replaced all the hardware. I found the mounting holes were never drilled properly, (as described in the instructions). After re-working the mounting holes the mounting bolts can be installed with only minor force. 2. The F-1005-R/L brackets were fastened to the F-1005C-R/L bulkheads incorrectly with AN470 rivets rather the AN426 rivets. I removed these rivets, countersink the holes and install the correct rivets. The rivets on the forward door opening were also incorrect and required replacement. 3. The F-6122-1 Tri-Gear Brake Bracket was installed incorrectly with the flange facing the outside, rather the inside of the fuselage. I needed to remove the bracket to install the parking brake mounting bracket, anyway, so that wasnt a big deal. 4. The F-1051J Scat tube support was installed at the wrong location. Rather than being located 12 21/32 in. from the reference line, it was installed 16 in. from the reference line. This moves the Scat tube support too far forward and does not provide the intended support. I moved the bracket back to the correct location and put short bolts and nuts in the holes to fill them. 5. Page 27-4 (fig 2) calls for the vent DL-10 (2.4deg) to be installed on both sides. These were installed with the incorrect orientation causing the heat duct to be jammed together, at some weird angles. As it turns out, it was better to have these out of the way (per plans) for installation of the brake lines. 6. Many bushings were not installed and not included in the parts shipped with the kit. There were none of the following bushings installed. (SB 625-8, SB 437-4, SB 625-7, SB 750-10) (Apparently, they were not included in the parts bags because it was assumed they were installed during the quick build.) Vans is sending me a package with the missing bushings. So now, a week later, Im through the pain of inspecting all the quick build work and on to better things. In hindsight, Im glad I removed the landing gear fittings, if only to make sure the mounting bolts are not damaged. I know theyre drilled correctly, torqued correctly and not damaged. At least not until my first landing! Everyone has to do what works for them. This is what I learned, along the way. Happy building! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343163#343163 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1357_192.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1356_198.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1354_191.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1351_569.jpg ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:34:49 PM PST US From: Bill Watson Subject: RV10-List: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors That's right, F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ doors!! Bill "ready to put the wings on and fly once I get the F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ doors closed" Watson ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:45:27 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors From: efdsteve@aol.com I feel your pain, man! Steve Weinstock 40230, finishing kit -----Original Message----- From: Bill Watson Sent: Thu, Jun 16, 2011 5:35 pm Subject: RV10-List: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors That's right, F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ doors!! Bill "ready to put the wings on and fly once I get the F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ oors closed" Watson -======================== -= - The RV10-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:26:45 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors From: Kelly McMullen Right there with ya. More time spent on doors than most of plane to that point. Doesn't help that doors "to plans" are clearly unacceptable re latching. Then there is the question of whether to accept the cheezy weather stripping or do the work for the McMaster Carr solution. Not to mention how many times you want to vacuum sanding dust from inside and outside the project. On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Bill Watson wrote: > > That's right, F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ doors!! > > Bill "ready to put the wings on and fly once I get the F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ > doors closed" Watson > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:32:52 PM PST US From: Les Kearney Subject: Re: RV10-List: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors Kelly The doors build character. Cheers Les Sent from my iPhone On 2011-06-16, at 10:21 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: > Right there with ya. More time spent on doors than most of plane to that p oint. Doesn't help that doors "to plans" are clearly unacceptable re latchin g. Then there is the question of whether to accept the cheezy weather stripp ing or do the work for the McMaster Carr solution. Not to mention how many t imes you want to vacuum sanding dust from inside and outside the project. > > On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Bill Watson wrote : > > That's right, F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ doors!! > > Bill "ready to put the wings on and fly once I get the F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ doo rs closed" Watson > > > ========================= > arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > ========================= > http://forums.matronics.com > ========================= > le, List Admin. > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========================= > > > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:00:27 PM PST US From: "Pascal" Subject: Re: RV10-List: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors Then there is the question of whether to accept the cheezy weather stripping or do the work for the McMaster Carr solution Question? Are you kidding? If there was one thing I would never do again it=99s use the cheezy Vans stripping. Can=99t say that for all that many items, but there is no question about it, cheezy is out!! Took me about 3 months to get the doors right, lots of reshaping was involved, all after using the rubber sealing. Don=99t do it man!! Pascal =9Cready to put the wings on and fly once I finish everything else=9D Reid From: Kelly McMullen Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 7:21 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors Right there with ya. More time spent on doors than most of plane to that point. Doesn't help that doors "to plans" are clearly unacceptable re latching. Then there is the question of whether to accept the cheezy weather stripping or do the work for the McMaster Carr solution. Not to mention how many times you want to vacuum sanding dust from inside and outside the project. On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Bill Watson wrote: That's right, F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ doors!! Bill "ready to put the wings on and fly once I get the F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ doors closed" Watson arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://forums.matronics.com le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:45:10 PM PST US From: John Gonzalez Subject: RE: RV10-List: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors Character...Next week I will be leaving my plane with the painter and he wi ll be trying to convince me to allow him to open up the tight fit I made by spending those month making the door fit PERFECTLY. The fit is so good tha t all the pro painters are worried the primer and paint will chip because t here is no room for it. I argue that they should mask a 1/8" line where the door and cabin top meet and leave it unpainted. I build it to the standards of a sailplane=2C minimal drag...to hell if I w ill let them ruin my work. The return on the inside fits equally well. From: kearney@shaw.ca Subject: Re: RV10-List: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors Kelly The doors build character. Cheers Les Sent from my iPhone On 2011-06-16=2C at 10:21 PM=2C Kelly McMullen wrote: Right there with ya. More time spent on doors than most of plane to that po int. Doesn't help that doors "to plans" are clearly unacceptable re latchin g. Then there is the question of whether to accept the cheezy weather strip ping or do the work for the McMaster Carr solution. Not to mention how many times you want to vacuum sanding dust from inside and outside the project. On Thu=2C Jun 16=2C 2011 at 3:28 PM=2C Bill Watson wrote: That's right=2C F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ doors!! 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