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1. 04:33 AM - Re: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors (Bill Watson)
2. 04:59 AM - Re: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors (Bob Leffler)
3. 05:57 AM - Re: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors (Bill Watson)
4. 07:24 AM - Travel insurance (John Gonzalez)
5. 07:39 AM - Re: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors (Dj Merrill)
6. 07:43 AM - Re: Travel insurance (Carl Froehlich)
7. 07:44 AM - Re: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors (George, Neal Capt 505 TRS/DOJ)
8. 07:52 AM - Re: Travel insurance (Dave Saylor)
9. 07:56 AM - Re: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors (Space Cadet)
10. 08:10 AM - Re: Re: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors (Kelly McMullen)
11. 08:20 AM - ADHARS Location (Kelly McMullen)
12. 08:40 AM - Re: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors (rwwende)
13. 08:54 AM - Re: ADHARS Location (Carl Froehlich)
14. 08:56 AM - Re: Travel insurance (Marcus Cooper)
15. 09:12 AM - Re: Travel insurance (AirMike)
16. 09:14 AM - Re: Sold on whiskers (AirMike)
17. 09:17 AM - Re: Travel insurance (Michael Kraus)
18. 10:03 AM - Re: Re: Sold on whiskers (Tim Olson)
19. 10:24 AM - Re: Re: Sold on whiskers (Tim Olson)
20. 11:29 AM - Re: Re: Sold on whiskers (Gordon Anderson)
21. 12:02 PM - Re: Quick Build fuselage and what I learned, so far! (dhmoose)
22. 12:16 PM - Re: ADHARS Location (Michael Kraus)
23. 12:34 PM - Re: Re: Sold on whiskers (Steve Stella)
24. 12:51 PM - Re: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors (woxofswa)
25. 01:23 PM - Expression Of Frustration (Dave Fritzsche (Building))
26. 01:41 PM - Re: ADHARS Location (Kelly McMullen)
27. 01:45 PM - Re: Re: Sold on whiskers (Miller John)
28. 03:19 PM - Re: Re: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors (Bill Watson)
29. 04:00 PM - Re: Re: Sold on whiskers (Tim Olson)
30. 04:00 PM - Re: Re: Sold on whiskers (Tim Olson)
31. 04:25 PM - Re: Re: Sold on whiskers (Kelly McMullen)
32. 05:12 PM - Re: Sold on whiskers (Nick Leonard)
33. 05:24 PM - Re: Re: Sold on whiskers (Tim Olson)
34. 05:39 PM - Re: Re: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors (John Gonzalez)
35. 07:28 PM - Re: Re: Sold on whiskers (Sean Stephens)
36. 07:32 PM - Fw: ADHARS Location (Michael Kraus)
37. 07:38 PM - Re: Re: Sold on whiskers (Kelly McMullen)
38. 08:44 PM - Re: ADHARS Location (Rick Lark)
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| Subject: | Re: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors |
It does give you great appreciation for the fine work of Schleicher,
Schempp-Hirth, and especially Rolladen-Schneider.
I definitely did not strive for sailplane standards but it looks
good.... once I get the F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ doors closed again after
applying some aesthetically pleasing interior trim to the bloody thing.
Bill "girded up in long pants and long sleeves for another session with
the itching powder" Watson
On 6/17/2011 12:40 AM, John Gonzalez wrote:
> Character...Next week I will be leaving my plane with the painter and
> he will be trying to convince me to allow him to open up the tight fit
> I made by spending those month making the door fit PERFECTLY. The fit
> is so good that all the pro painters are worried the primer and paint
> will chip because there is no room for it.
>
> I argue that they should mask a 1/8" line where the door and cabin top
> meet and leave it unpainted.
>
> I build it to the standards of a sailplane, minimal drag...to hell if
> I will let them ruin my work. The return on the inside fits equally well.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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| Subject: | Re: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors |
Bill,
I would be interested in seeing photos of your door trim. Are they on your k
itlog site? I'm in the process of determining how to finish my sorts.
Thanks
Bob
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 17, 2011, at 7:29 AM, Bill Watson <Mauledriver@nc.rr.com> wrote:
> It does give you great appreciation for the fine work of Schleicher, Schem
pp-Hirth, and especially Rolladen-Schneider.
>
> I definitely did not strive for sailplane standards but it looks good....
once I get the F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ doors closed again after applying some aesth
etically pleasing interior trim to the bloody thing.
>
> Bill "girded up in long pants and long sleeves for another session with th
e itching powder" Watson
>
>
> On 6/17/2011 12:40 AM, John Gonzalez wrote:
>>
>> Character...Next week I will be leaving my plane with the painter and he w
ill be trying to convince me to allow him to open up the tight fit I made by
spending those month making the door fit PERFECTLY. The fit is so good that
all the pro painters are worried the primer and paint will chip because the
re is no room for it.
>>
>> I argue that they should mask a 1/8" line where the door and cabin top me
et and leave it unpainted.
>>
>> I build it to the standards of a sailplane, minimal drag...to hell if I w
ill let them ruin my work. The return on the inside fits equally well.
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors |
I don't think I have a lot out there, but probably have quite a few
pics. I'm willing to share but it may be tough until next week.
In particular, if you have a green top, I think I can share quite a
bit. The final result is looking good but every aspect has been done
several times over.
I'll try to get something together or give me a call anytime.
Bill "shop cleaned, FG tools out, ready to rumble one more time" Watson
919-824-4179
On 6/17/2011 7:56 AM, Bob Leffler wrote:
> Bill,
>
> I would be interested in seeing photos of your door trim. Are they on
> your kitlog site? I'm in the process of determining how to finish my
> sorts.
>
> Thanks
>
> Bob
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 17, 2011, at 7:29 AM, Bill Watson <Mauledriver@nc.rr.com
> <mailto:Mauledriver@nc.rr.com>> wrote:
>
>> It does give you great appreciation for the fine work of Schleicher,
>> Schempp-Hirth, and especially Rolladen-Schneider.
>>
>> I definitely did not strive for sailplane standards but it looks
>> good.... once I get the F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ doors closed again after
>> applying some aesthetically pleasing interior trim to the bloody thing.
>>
>> Bill "girded up in long pants and long sleeves for another session
>> with the itching powder" Watson
>>
>>
>> On 6/17/2011 12:40 AM, John Gonzalez wrote:
>>> Character...Next week I will be leaving my plane with the painter
>>> and he will be trying to convince me to allow him to open up the
>>> tight fit I made by spending those month making the door fit
>>> PERFECTLY. The fit is so good that all the pro painters are worried
>>> the primer and paint will chip because there is no room for it.
>>>
>>> I argue that they should mask a 1/8" line where the door and cabin
>>> top meet and leave it unpainted.
>>>
>>> I build it to the standards of a sailplane, minimal drag...to hell
>>> if I will let them ruin my work. The return on the inside fits
>>> equally well.
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>
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>>
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>
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| Subject: | Travel insurance |
As stated=2C next Friday the plane leaves for the paint shop.
It is a 218 mile trip up the 101 freeway at say 55mph.
Special precautions where taken with the plexiglass=2C I covered them in 5m
il clear vinyl and taped it with plumber's tape to the plexiglass every fou
r inches in strips=2C quite an artistic look.
Question=2C do I call my auto insurance about coverage or do I call an airc
raft insurer???
The fuselage will be towed on a flat bed trailer behing my F250 diesel=2C t
he wings and other structures will be in a Penski moving Van and I applied
for content insurance.
JOhn
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| Subject: | Re: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors |
On 06/16/2011 11:29 PM, Les Kearney wrote:
> The doors build character.
>
...and here I thought we were talking about a bunch of characters
building doors... *wink*
-Dj
--
Dj Merrill - N1JOV
Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/
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| Subject: | Travel insurance |
I believe this is best covered under a "Builder's Insurance" policy. Nation
Air is the company I use.
Carl
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 10:20 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Travel insurance
As stated, next Friday the plane leaves for the paint shop.
It is a 218 mile trip up the 101 freeway at say 55mph.
Special precautions where taken with the plexiglass, I covered them in 5mil
clear vinyl and taped it with plumber's tape to the plexiglass every four
inches in strips, quite an artistic look.
Question, do I call my auto insurance about coverage or do I call an
aircraft insurer???
The fuselage will be towed on a flat bed trailer behing my F250 diesel, the
wings and other structures will be in a Penski moving Van and I applied for
content insurance.
JOhn
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| Subject: | F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors |
Bill -
Since you live in the middle of NASCAR country, you could just forego the
doors and install webbing exit nets...
neal
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Watson
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 7:53 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors
I don't think I have a lot out there, but probably have quite a few pics.
I'm willing to share but it may be tough until next week.
In particular, if you have a green top, I think I can share quite a bit. The
final result is looking good but every aspect has been done several times
over.
I'll try to get something together or give me a call anytime.
Bill "shop cleaned, FG tools out, ready to rumble one more time" Watson
919-824-4179
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| Subject: | Re: Travel insurance |
Years ago we repaired a plane that was hit while on a trailer. I
think we dealt with an aircraft insurer, not car insurance. I agree,
builder insurance is the way to go.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 7:20 AM, John Gonzalez <indigoonlatigo@msn.com> wrote:
> As stated, next Friday the plane leaves for the paint shop.
> It is a 218 mile trip up the 101 freeway at say 55mph.
> Special precautions where taken with the plexiglass, I covered them in 5mil
> clear vinyl and taped it with plumber's tape to the plexiglass every four
> inches in strips,quite an artistic look.
> Question, do I call my auto insurance about coverage or do I call an
> aircraft insurer???
> The fuselage will be towed on a flat bed trailer behing my F250 diesel, the
> wings and other structures will be in a Penski moving Van and I applied for
> content insurance.
> JOhn
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors |
Is it just the flimsiness of the gray Vans seal that people object to? That's
what bothered me, so I went with a AS-acquired seal that was the same dimensions
as Vans, but was more of a foam-rubber-like material, in black. Think it was
called luggage door seal. Very solid and keeps its shape well. Takes more
effort to close, but not unreasonable. Seems like it will hold up well too.
It kept the modifications to the door and frame to a minimum.
Course, I'm not flying yet, so YMMV.
Dwight
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| Subject: | Re: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors |
Dwight,
Do you have a link to AS item number?
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 7:53 AM, Space Cadet <Dwight@drefs.net> wrote:
>
> Is it just the flimsiness of the gray Vans seal that people object to?
> That's what bothered me, so I went with a AS-acquired seal that was the
> same dimensions as Vans, but was more of a foam-rubber-like material, in
> black. Think it was called luggage door seal. Very solid and keeps its
> shape well. Takes more effort to close, but not unreasonable. Seems like
> it will hold up well too. It kept the modifications to the door and frame
> to a minimum.
>
> Course, I'm not flying yet, so YMMV.
>
> Dwight
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343292#343292
>
>
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Vans sells a kit shelf for ADHARS. It clearly is intended by Vans to be
placed alongside the elevator bellcrank behind the battery. I know some
(Dynon) ADHARS have incorporated the magnetometer in the same unit, so need
a magnetically benign location. Given the steel bolts, etc in the bellcrank,
probably not so good a place.
IIRC some have built a shelf near the top of fuselage one bulkhead behind
the rear of the baggage compartment. I don't remember who's website I saw
this on, but would like to copy it. Can someone give me a link to such a
fabrication?
Kelly
40866
Not sure from day to day what stage I am at...somewhere between fuselage and
FWF.
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| Subject: | Re: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors |
After longer than I want to admit, I am at the final stages of fitting the doors!
Just painted the interior last night. I finally got a satisfactory fit by
using clear packing tape on the Jams, hair spray as a release agent, then used
flox with the west systems and filled the jams with the doors closed. This
allows the resin to stick to the door edge and not the jams. Then meticulously
hand and until you get the gap you want. No doubt the doors SUCK!
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This is what I did. The bottom of the shelf is made from =BC=94
fiberglass
fiber core board (out of the scrap bin of a Lancair builder). The
hardest
part was getting the dimensions of the sides just right so that the
shelf
was level with the plane axis. Note the copper wire used for the hinge
pins
instead of steel pins and the ADHARS mounting hardware is non-magnetic
stainless steel. The shelf is very ridged. The hinge material makes
for
easy shelf removal/install.
Carl
Prepping the fuselage for paint.
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly
McMullen
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 11:18 AM
Subject: RV10-List: ADHARS Location
Vans sells a kit shelf for ADHARS. It clearly is intended by Vans to be
placed alongside the elevator bellcrank behind the battery. I know some
(Dynon) ADHARS have incorporated the magnetometer in the same unit, so
need
a magnetically benign location. Given the steel bolts, etc in the
bellcrank,
probably not so good a place.
IIRC some have built a shelf near the top of fuselage one bulkhead
behind
the rear of the baggage compartment. I don't remember who's website I
saw
this on, but would like to copy it. Can someone give me a link to such
a
fabrication?
Kelly
40866
Not sure from day to day what stage I am at...somewhere between fuselage
and
FWF.
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| Subject: | Re: Travel insurance |
Others have mentioned builder's insurance which I agree, however I got
some unsettling news when I asked the question to my insurer Falcon
insurance. Turns out they only cover a short drive from the house to
the airport. I am quite sure I asked the question before moving it from
Fl to MS and then to VA and felt it was covered, turns out it was not!
Good thing nothing happened, but I highly recommend not just builders
insurance but verifying they will cover the transit you have planned.
Marcus
On Jun 17, 2011, at 10:20 AM, John Gonzalez wrote:
> As stated, next Friday the plane leaves for the paint shop.
>
> It is a 218 mile trip up the 101 freeway at say 55mph.
>
> Special precautions where taken with the plexiglass, I covered them in
5mil clear vinyl and taped it with plumber's tape to the plexiglass
every four inches in strips, quite an artistic look.
>
> Question, do I call my auto insurance about coverage or do I call an
aircraft insurer???
>
> The fuselage will be towed on a flat bed trailer behing my F250
diesel, the wings and other structures will be in a Penski moving Van
and I applied for content insurance.
>
> JOhn
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Travel insurance |
I priced non-flying a/c insurance when I was building my plane and I felt that
it was too high. As a former insurance agent. I feel that a lot of insurance in
the non-mass-market product lines is overpriced due to a lack of good actuarial
data. Similar products are sailboats on round-the-world voyages, special event
insurance, and earthquake insurance in small markets. It is my feeling that
the companies just price the product off the top of their heads with no real
feel for the risk. I went naked on insurance till I got my N-number. You can
minimize a lot of risks with a few extra safety precautions: Have several fire
extinguishers around you build site or hanger. Use lots of people to help you
move the plane and explain what you are doing before you do it making sure that
everyone understand what is going to happen. Finally move the plane during
low traffic times (I did mine early Sat. morning). For a long haul 5-7AM in the
Summer is a good low traffic time, or 7-9 in the evening. You cannot eliminate
risk, but you can do a lot to minimize it.
--------
See you OSH '11
Q/B - flying 1 yr+
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| Subject: | Re: Sold on whiskers |
Tim ......Do you have a pic of where you whiskers are mounted?
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See you OSH '11
Q/B - flying 1 yr+
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| Subject: | Re: Travel insurance |
I'd put the wings on it, fly it for awhile, fix all the squaks, and then fly
it to the painters!!
Then if you have something you want to change or add (like more cowl exit lo
uvers to cool the engine) you won't mess up your pretty paint job!
Just something to think about....
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 17, 2011, at 10:20 AM, John Gonzalez <indigoonlatigo@msn.com> wrote:
> As stated, next Friday the plane leaves for the paint shop.
>
> It is a 218 mile trip up the 101 freeway at say 55mph.
>
> Special precautions where taken with the plexiglass, I covered them in 5mi
l clear vinyl and taped it with plumber's tape to the plexiglass every four i
nches in strips, quite an artistic look.
>
> Question, do I call my auto insurance about coverage or do I call an aircr
aft insurer???
>
> The fuselage will be towed on a flat bed trailer behing my F250 diesel, th
e wings and other structures will be in a Penski moving Van and I applied fo
r content insurance.
>
> JOhn
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sold on whiskers |
Taken 1 minute ago in coldwater Michigan where I was skyway robbed for 6.10/
FG. (FG = friggin gallon). Highest price I ever paid.
Average for the trip is in the low 5's with a few under 5.
On Jun 17, 2011, at 12:11 PM, "AirMike" <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net> wrote:
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> Tim ......Do you have a pic of where you whiskers are mounted?
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> See you OSH '11
> Q/B - flying 1 yr+
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> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Sold on whiskers |
Waiting on my sandwhich so took another photo. Nice day in the shade.
Tim
On Jun 17, 2011, at 12:59 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
> Taken 1 minute ago in coldwater Michigan where I was skyway robbed for 6.1
0/FG. (FG = friggin gallon). Highest price I ever paid.
> Average for the trip is in the low 5's with a few under 5.
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> On Jun 17, 2011, at 12:11 PM, "AirMike" <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net> wrote:
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>> Tim ......Do you have a pic of where you whiskers are mounted?
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>> See you OSH '11
>> Q/B - flying 1 yr+
>>
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>> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Sold on whiskers |
Tim,
What's with the spalled paint in front of the trim tab cable attachments?
Is there a problem with cracking or flexing?
Hoping you'll chip in to the discussion about door seals and tell us that
the Van's one is just fine and super easy to install. Irrational optimism I
know .........
And hoping this makes you feel any better, think about 2.50 Swiss
francs/litre (=8.7 $/FG) next time you get gas as cheap as 6.10 ;-)
Enjoy the rest of your trip!
Gordon
#41015 QB wing & fuse inventory, emp fairings and whiskers
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: 17 June 2011 19:20
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Sold on whiskers
Waiting on my sandwhich so took another photo. Nice day in the shade.
Tim
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| Subject: | Re: Quick Build fuselage and what I learned, so far! |
Bill, I couldn't agree more. I found the exact same issues on my build and have
addressed each of them the same as you did (although I did overlook the scat
tube support measurements). There were a few other issues to keep a close eye
on and the entire process confirmed the need to trust but double check everything.
Thanks for the post. I think it'll help others who are confused about how
to go about the QB dis....I mean....assembly ;
-David
--------
David Halmos
RV-10 builder #41059
Empennage complete!
QB fuselage under construction
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| Subject: | Re: Sold on whiskers |
Tim,
Is there a specific model # for belly mount or is it the same as the VS
mount?
Steven Stella
RV 10 Fuselage
#40654
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Sold on whiskers
Taken 1 minute ago in coldwater Michigan where I was skyway robbed for
6.10/FG. (FG = friggin gallon). Highest price I ever paid.
Average for the trip is in the low 5's with a few under 5.
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| Subject: | Re: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors |
I've been building up my door/jam fittings with leftover epoxy/superfil/glaze from
the buildup of the windshield fillet. I use two mating layers of peel ply
to keep from sticking and leave a gap for paint etc. I just goop up a section
at a time and close the door to let them mate to each other.
--------
Myron Nelson
Mesa, AZ
Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse in mostly done, finishing
kit in progress.
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The only bad thing about expressing your frustration in the subject line
(e.g. F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@) is that you run the risk of the message being
filtered out as spam. My Thunderbird program filter places it in my
junk folder which I scan from time to time but could easily miss a RV-10
message.
Dave
--
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Dave Fritzsche
40813
Puyallup, WA
Wings
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| Subject: | Re: ADHARS Location |
Thank you. That is very helpful for ideas.
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 8:50 AM, Carl Froehlich
<carl.froehlich@verizon.net>wrote:
> This is what I did. The bottom of the shelf is made from =BC=94 fibergla
ss
> fiber core board (out of the scrap bin of a Lancair builder). The hardes
t
> part was getting the dimensions of the sides just right so that the shelf
> was level with the plane axis. Note the copper wire used for the hinge p
ins
> instead of steel pins and the ADHARS mounting hardware is non-magnetic
> stainless steel. The shelf is very ridged. The hinge material makes for
> easy shelf removal/install.****
>
> ** **
>
> Carl****
>
> Prepping the fuselage for paint.****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Kelly McMullen
> *Sent:* Friday, June 17, 2011 11:18 AM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RV10-List: ADHARS Location****
>
> ** **
>
> Vans sells a kit shelf for ADHARS. It clearly is intended by Vans to be
> placed alongside the elevator bellcrank behind the battery. I know some
> (Dynon) ADHARS have incorporated the magnetometer in the same unit, so ne
ed
> a magnetically benign location. Given the steel bolts, etc in the bellcra
nk,
> probably not so good a place.
> IIRC some have built a shelf near the top of fuselage one bulkhead behin
d
> the rear of the baggage compartment. I don't remember who's website I saw
> this on, but would like to copy it. Can someone give me a link to such a
> fabrication?
> Kelly
> 40866
> Not sure from day to day what stage I am at...somewhere between fuselage
> and FWF.****
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| Subject: | Re: Sold on whiskers |
Same place I have mine mounted, and they work just great there.
grumpy
N184JM
do not archive
On Jun 17, 2011, at 12:20 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
> Waiting on my sandwhich so took another photo. Nice day in the shade.
> Tim
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jun 17, 2011, at 12:59 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>
>> Taken 1 minute ago in coldwater Michigan where I was skyway robbed
for 6.10/FG. (FG = friggin gallon). Highest price I ever paid.
>> Average for the trip is in the low 5's with a few under 5.
>>
>> <image.jpeg>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 17, 2011, at 12:11 PM, "AirMike" <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Tim ......Do you have a pic of where you whiskers are mounted?
>>>
>>> --------
>>> See you OSH '11
>>> Q/B - flying 1 yr+
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343300#343300
>>>
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| Subject: | Re: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors |
That's definitely the way to get the gap right. I think I did that 2
years ago....but I'm still tweaking other aspect of the F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@
Doors.
I hope YMMV.
Bill "finished the grind and remounting the doors for the nth time" Watson
On 6/17/2011 11:37 AM, rwwende wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "rwwende"<rwendell@hydro-splash.com>
>
> After longer than I want to admit, I am at the final stages of fitting the doors!
Just painted the interior last night. I finally got a satisfactory fit
by using clear packing tape on the Jams, hair spray as a release agent, then used
flox with the west systems and filled the jams with the doors closed. This
allows the resin to stick to the door edge and not the jams. Then meticulously
hand and until you get the gap you want. No doubt the doors SUCK!
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sold on whiskers |
Mine is just the same ol' standard one.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 6/17/2011 2:17 PM, Steve Stella wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Steve Stella"<Sstella@incisaledge.com>
>
> Tim,
> Is there a specific model # for belly mount or is it the same as the VS
> mount?
>
> Steven Stella
> RV 10 Fuselage
> #40654
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sold on whiskers |
On that paint, we tried to paint those tabs as light as possible,
and when you combined the too-thin paint job with a crappy job
of prep on that area, that's what you get. That and around
the base of the cowl are my worst areas.
As far as door seals go, I was happy with Van's seal. It's a
nice grey silicone that matches the plane, it went on fine,
and it's held up well except for where I punctured it near
the front door pin holes. And even then, I siliconed it
back together and it's fine. It seals real well. Yes, it's
a very tight fit, and I'm sure someone has done it better,
but I've been happy enough that I would probably do it
all over again the same way. I prefer the seal on the door
to the seal on the airframe, too...which isn't a universal
preference.
Got home from the trip just fine. Now no big trips for
a while again, but the next one I think will have to
be back to the Bahamas. When flying along at 8,500'
today, the Bahamas was where my mind was...that is the
best place to fly that I've been and I can't wait to go
back.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 6/17/2011 1:21 PM, Gordon Anderson wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Gordon Anderson"<mregoan@hispeed.ch>
>
> Tim,
>
> What's with the spalled paint in front of the trim tab cable attachments?
> Is there a problem with cracking or flexing?
>
> Hoping you'll chip in to the discussion about door seals and tell us that
> the Van's one is just fine and super easy to install. Irrational optimism I
> know .........
>
> And hoping this makes you feel any better, think about 2.50 Swiss
> francs/litre (=8.7 $/FG) next time you get gas as cheap as 6.10 ;-)
>
> Enjoy the rest of your trip!
>
> Gordon
> #41015 QB wing& fuse inventory, emp fairings and whiskers
>
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: 17 June 2011 19:20
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Sold on whiskers
>
> Waiting on my sandwhich so took another photo. Nice day in the shade.
> Tim
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sold on whiskers |
You weren't worried about all the extra drag of having that antenna
fully exposed? Probably costs you 0.005kts. ;-))
On 6/17/2011 3:55 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> Mine is just the same ol' standard one.
>
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
> do not archive
>
>
> On 6/17/2011 2:17 PM, Steve Stella wrote:
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Steve
>> Stella"<Sstella@incisaledge.com>
>>
>> Tim,
>> Is there a specific model # for belly mount or is it the same as the VS
>> mount?
>>
>> Steven Stella
>> RV 10 Fuselage
>> #40654
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sold on whiskers |
Sean,
You had asked about the broadband splitter. I was able to get a picture of it
yesterday. I believe that this is who makes them for Garmin. They are very small,
especially for the amount of money that they get for splitters. I didn't
look up a source for these but there should be enough info in the picture to
find them. I got it from my local avionics shop (Airborne Electronics, Sacramento).
Sorry, I don't have the Garmin part number equivelent but I can get it
for you, if necessary.
This broadband splitter is only needed in front of the SL30 or other units that
have the internal splitter for the glide slope and nav signals. You can come
off the other side of this unit with a standard splitter for going to the two
inputs for the 430W. I hope this helps.
--------
Nick Leonard
RV-10 (40015) Finish
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343355#343355
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| Subject: | Re: Sold on whiskers |
Maybe I should build a nice fairing for it. :)
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 6/17/2011 6:20 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
> You weren't worried about all the extra drag of having that antenna
> fully exposed? Probably costs you 0.005kts. ;-))
>
>
> On 6/17/2011 3:55 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>>
>> Mine is just the same ol' standard one.
>>
>>
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>> On 6/17/2011 2:17 PM, Steve Stella wrote:
>>>
>>> Tim,
>>> Is there a specific model # for belly mount or is it the same as the VS
>>> mount?
>>>
>>> Steven Stella
>>> RV 10 Fuselage
>>> #40654
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors |
There is a reason I burried the tops of the screws on the cabin top and the
doors...the only way my doors are coming off is if I forget to latch them
and they go off into the wild blue yonder.
Once you get the fit perfect=2C it might be suicide to remove them for paii
nting=2C that is unless you really like the process of getting the fit perf
ect all over again.
Me...not!
> Date: Fri=2C 17 Jun 2011 18:13:05 -0400
> From: Mauledriver@nc.rr.com
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors
>
>
> That's definitely the way to get the gap right. I think I did that 2
> years ago....but I'm still tweaking other aspect of the F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@
> Doors.
>
> I hope YMMV.
>
> Bill "finished the grind and remounting the doors for the nth time" Watso
n
>
> On 6/17/2011 11:37 AM=2C rwwende wrote:
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: "rwwende"<rwendell@hydro-splash.com>
> >
> > After longer than I want to admit=2C I am at the final stages of fittin
g the doors! Just painted the interior last night. I finally got a satisf
actory fit by using clear packing tape on the Jams=2C hair spray as a relea
se agent=2C then used flox with the west systems and filled the jams with t
he doors closed. This allows the resin to stick to the door edge and not t
he jams. Then meticulously hand and until you get the gap you want. No do
ubt the doors SUCK!
> >
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sold on whiskers |
Yep, that's the exact Garmin part I linked to previously.
Thanks Nick!!
-Sean
On Jun 17, 2011, at 8:07 PM, "Nick Leonard" <nick@nleonard.com> wrote:
>
> Sean,
>
> You had asked about the broadband splitter. I was able to get a picture of it
yesterday. I believe that this is who makes them for Garmin. They are very
small, especially for the amount of money that they get for splitters. I didn't
look up a source for these but there should be enough info in the picture
to find them. I got it from my local avionics shop (Airborne Electronics, Sacramento).
Sorry, I don't have the Garmin part number equivelent but I can get
it for you, if necessary.
>
> This broadband splitter is only needed in front of the SL30 or other units that
have the internal splitter for the glide slope and nav signals. You can come
off the other side of this unit with a standard splitter for going to the two
inputs for the 430W. I hope this helps.
>
> --------
> Nick Leonard
> RV-10 (40015) Finish
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343355#343355
>
>
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/broadband_splitter_144.jpg
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sold on whiskers |
You might note that if you go to the website shown on the unit that they
sell for about $45 from the manufacturer.
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 7:24 PM, Sean Stephens <sean@stephensville.com>wrote:
>
> Yep, that's the exact Garmin part I linked to previously.
>
> Thanks Nick!!
>
> -Sean
>
> On Jun 17, 2011, at 8:07 PM, "Nick Leonard" <nick@nleonard.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Sean,
> >
> > You had asked about the broadband splitter. I was able to get a picture
> of it yesterday. I believe that this is who makes them for Garmin. They
> are very small, especially for the amount of money that they get for
> splitters. I didn't look up a source for these but there should be enough
> info in the picture to find them. I got it from my local avionics shop
> (Airborne Electronics, Sacramento). Sorry, I don't have the Garmin part
> number equivelent but I can get it for you, if necessary.
> >
> > This broadband splitter is only needed in front of the SL30 or other
> units that have the internal splitter for the glide slope and nav signals.
> You can come off the other side of this unit with a standard splitter for
> going to the two inputs for the 430W. I hope this helps.
> >
> > --------
> > Nick Leonard
> > RV-10 (40015) Finish
> >
> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: ADHARS Location |
Kelly, Ivan Kristensens got a real good set of photos on his web site that
I intend to use for my build.
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Rick
#40956
Wings on hold during "Assembly Facility Insulating"--
--- On Fri, 6/17/11, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com>
Subject: RV10-List: ADHARS Location
Received: Friday, June 17, 2011, 3:17 PM
Vans sells a kit shelf for ADHARS. It clearly is intended by Vans to be pla
ced alongside the elevator bellcrank behind the battery. I know some (Dynon
) ADHARS have incorporated the magnetometer in the same unit, so need a mag
netically benign location. Given the steel bolts, etc in the bellcrank, pro
bably not so good a place.
-IIRC some have built a shelf near the top of fuselage one bulkhead behin
d the rear of the baggage compartment. I don't remember who's website I saw
this on, but would like to copy it.- Can someone give me a link to such
a fabrication?
Kelly
40866
Not sure from day to day what stage I am at...somewhere between fuselage an
d FWF.
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